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r and say yes to linzess. ♪♪ . all right, that is going to do it for us tonight. i'll see you again tomorrow, "way too early" with kasie hunt is up next. we cannot continue the cycle of extending or expanding our military presence in afghanistan hoping to create ideal conditions for the withdrawal and expecting a different result. i'm now the fourth united states president to preside over american troop presence in afghanistan, two republicans, two democrats. i will not pass this responsibility on to a fifth. >> declaring u.s. military objectives in afghanistan, quote, achieved, president biden announces when u.s. troops there will come home. the question is where does this
leave peace talks between the taliban and the afghan government. plus, the police officer who shot and killed daunte wright arrested and charged with manslaughter. the question is what will we learn when she makes her first court appearance this afternoon. and reports the biden administration is set to announce new sanctions on russia for a series of offenses against the u.s. the question is will the sanctions be something the putin regime can actually feel. it's way too early for this. ♪♪ good morning, and welcome to "way too early," the show that thanks american veterans for their service today, i am kasie hunt on this thursday, april 15th. we'll start with the news. after 20 years of u.s. military involvement in afghanistan president joe biden announced yesterday that it's, quote, time for american troops to come home. as "politico" notes, the military spent more than a
decades urging three different american presidents to stay in afghanistan. with president joe biden's decision this week to withdraw all u.s. forces by september 11th, they finally lost the battle. biden made the announcement from the treaty room, the same location where president george w. bush announced a month afternoon 9/11 that strikes against al qaeda had begun. >> we went to afghanistan because of a horrific attack that happened 20 years ago. that cannot explain why we should remain there in 2021. rather than return to war with the taliban, we have to focus on the challenges that are in front of us. when i came to office, i inherited a diplomatic agreement duly negotiated between the government of the united states and the taliban that all u.s. forces would be out of afghanistan by may 1, 2021.
just three months after my inauguration, that's what we inherited, that commitment. it is perhaps not what i would have negotiated myself, but it was an agreement made by the united states government, and that means something. so in keeping with that agreement, and with our national interests, the united states will begin our final withdrawal, begin it on may 1 of this year. we'll not conduct a hasty rush to the exit. we'll do it responsibly, deliberately and safely. i'm the first president in 40 years who knows what it means to have a child serving in a war zone, and throughout this process, my north star has been remembering what it was like when my late son beau was deployed to iraq, how proud he was to serve his country, how insistent he was to deploy with his unit, and the impact it had
on him and all of us at home. we already have service members doing their duty in afghanistan today whose parents served in the same war. we have service members who were not yet born when our nation was attacked on 9/11. war in afghanistan was never meant to be a multigenerational undertaking. we were attacked. we went to war with clear goals. we achieved those objectives. bin laden is dead and al qaeda is degraded in afghanistan s and it's time to end the forever war. >> after making the announcement, the president visited arlington national cemetery where more than 2,300 casualties of operation enduring freedom are buried, and we should mention, a member of the president's inner circle national security adviser jake sullivan will join "morning joe" with more on the president's decision to withdraw. joining us nbc news white house
correspondent mike memoli, good morning, it's always good to see you. i was really struck watching the images, looking at the images from the president from section 60 yesterday where he told reporters to look at all of them, and he also said that the decision was easy for him. take us behind the scenes and explain to us why that was the case. >> well, kasie, a good rule of thumb is anytime presidents are talking about things they inherited, they don't mean that as a good thing, right? this is a problem the biden advisers we've talked to have said, the trump administration agreement requiring an exit by may 1st, certainly forced a decision by the biden administration sooner than one might have been, but this ultimately as biden himself indicated was not a tough decision given his history on this issue. as we think back on the trajectory of this conflict and how long it's been, think about
joe biden's evolution, too. he was the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee when it started. he was the vice president when there was a heated debate about a surge and then a drawback, and now as he says, he's the fourth president to tackle this problem and doesn't want to be handing it off to a fifth. and of all places, i actually learned, you know, some insight into biden's thinking from hunter biden. his book recently, i think, one of the unexpected parts of it was him taking us behind the scenes of his father arguing strenuously and the very difficult politics within the obama administration as they debated the surge in 2009. that length of time, i think, weighs on just about anybody who's involved with this decision. and so all of the arguments about the safety of afghans, the plight of afghan women especially here were very seriously undertaken and considered, but ultimately, as the biden team made this decision it was a conclusion that there is no military
solution that doesn't require an endless commitment here, and it's not something that biden was ever going to do. >> mike, how significant do you think it was that he seemed to go against the recommendations of military advisers, the pentagon to do this? >> this is not an unusual place for biden to be. we think he can only think back to the clash he had with stanley mcchrystal as a result of that debate within the obama administration. >> yeah. >> the position of the u.s. military, of course, is always going to be one that believes that they can solve the problem, but remember what joe biden himself recently said at his first press conference, which is he was elected to solve problems. ask it was interesting to see both his announcement that he spoke to president bush about making this decision, but also president obama as well, and when obama released a statement, the statement ended with him praising president biden for focusing op rebuilding here at
home and restoring our reputation abroad, and to the biden administration, good domestic policy really is foreign policy. you think about the hearings on the hill yesterday, the global threats hearing with the testimony from multiple national security officials. the emerging threat of china particularly puts the onus on the u.s. to build itself at home as much as anything to be competitive, and that's how the administration views this as well. >> all right, nbc's mike memoli, thank you so much for being up early with us with your insights and reporting. we really appreciate it. let's go now to minnesota where there were another night of protests following the police-involved shooting of daunte wright. hundreds of people, most of them peaceful, gathered outside of the brooklyn center police department for a fourth night in a row. authorities say some people in the crowd were shooting fireworks and throwing objects at law enforcement leading police to declare an unlawful assembly. protesters were told to disperse
several times. by 10:30 many had left. some of the remaining protesters were arrested but the night was much calmer than what we saw earlier this week. meanwhile, the former police officer who fatally shot daunte wright has been charged with second degree manslaughter. authorities say kim potter, a 26-year veteran of the brooklyn center police department was taken into custody around 11:30 a.m. yesterday. sheriff's records show she posted $100,000 bail and was released from custody shortly after 5:30 p.m. the second degree manslaughter charge carries a maximum penalty of ten years behind bars if convicted. and the second day of witness testimony for the defense in the derek chauvin murder trial focused on the cause of george floyd's death. former maryland chief medical examiner dr. david fowler argued floyd's death should be ruled undetermined rather than as a homicide because he says there were several conflicting factors. the defense also discussed where derek chauvin held george floyd, the witness testifying that they were directly next to the car's exhaust, and that carbon
monoxide may have contributed. >> did you pay attention to where mr. floyd's head was positioned relevant to the squad car in. >> yes, i did. >> which way was his face, nose, mouth facing? >> his face was facing towards the vehicle, towards the rear of the vehicle, and directly towards the area where you would expect the tail pipe or tail pipes of the vehicle to be. >> and the prosecution tore into that argument on cross examination. >> now, just going right to the punch line of carbon monoxide that you talked about at some length, you haven't seen any data or test results that showed mr. floyd had a single injury from carbon monoxide, is that true? >> that is correct because it was never sent to --
>> i asked you whether it was true, sir, yes or no? >> it is true. >> okay. now, did you see any monitoring data that actually would give you any information as to what amount of carbon monoxide, if any, would have been in mr. floyd's breathing zone? >> no, because it was not tested. >> it was a yes or no question. you haven't seen any, have you? >> i have not seen any data. >> earlier in the day, the defense requested that the judge acquit derek chauvin arguing the prosecution failed to prove their case. the judge denied that request. all right, still ahead here, the latest on the u.s. recommendation to pause the johnson & johnson shot, how will it impact nationwide coronavirus vaccine rollouts. plus, former president trump is sounding off against members of his own party again, and at least one top republican isn't holding back her response. we're going to have those stories and a check on your
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. focusing, 3-2, to 3rd, carlos rodon has thrown a no-hitter! >> welcome back, white sox starting pitcher carlos rodon tosses the first no hitter of his career in last night's 8-0 win over the cleveland indians. the 28-year-old lefty threw 114 pitches in the complete game performance and came two outs away from a perfect game losing his bid on a hit by pitch in the 9th inning. he settles for the second no-hitter of the major league season so far five days after san diego's joe musgrove tossed
the first no-hitter in padres' history. he was in disbelief. >> what's up, man? >> carlos, dude, congratulations. >> what just happened? >> where's your mind right now, carlos? >> on a toe ball. [ laughter ] no, man, that was awesome. full team effort. i just -- i can't believe it. >> awesome indeed, congrats to him. let's go to minneapolis where the visiting red sox swept the twins in yesterday's doubleheader. boston recorded one-run win during the afternoon contest thanks to this gave saving grab in left field. he later complemented the catch going 3 for 4 with three rbis. the 7-1 victory is the red sox ninth in a row, their longest streak since 2018 which ended
with a world series title. now for the rubber match of a three-game series between the yankees and the blue jays. the torontos temporary home in florida as they remain barred from canada because of coronavirus restrictions. we'll pick it up with the game tied in the bottom of the 9th. >> breaking ball high in the air. it's ranging back at the wall, at the track, get out of here! a walk-off home run for beau baa shet. >> he leads off the inning with his second homer of the game. it was good for the 5-4 win as the jays take another series against the yanks. and finally, this reminder about hazards at the ballpark, with the return of spectators at major league games. in los angeles, one fan needed to go find some new snacks and a new shirt after a home run ball smashed his plate of nachos and left him covered in cheese in the stands at dodgers stadium.
he takes home a slimy souvenir as the dodgers beat the rockies 4-2, unfortunate but also kind of awesome. time now for the weather. let's go to meteorologist bill karins for a check on the forecast. bill, happy belated birthday. sorry one of your fans gave it away. >> yeah, i got ratted out, kasie. i decided if your birthday falls on a wednesday, everyone should be off of work. you don't know if you celebrate the weekend before or the weekend after. yeah, fair, very fair. wednesday off. let's get to this forecast. we are watching a couple of stories. one is going to be snow in the northeast later today and tonight. the other is this flood threat down along the gulf coast and it's snowing in areas of colorado and wyoming right now. so an active map, but if we have any like life-threatening weather or anything that's going to do damage it's very heavy rain already taking place in areas from louisiana into new orleans, baton rouge area, all the way through biloxi, i-10 is
going to get soaked during the day today, big storms near gulf port, two to three inches per hour. that's one story. how about this, winter storm warnings in pink. this is ridiculous. middle of april, areas of maine almost a good chunk of new hampshire, vermont, worcester is under a winter storm watch. 6 to 12 inches of snow in like the green mountains of vermont. nuts. we may be getting some power outages. other areas are going to get heavy rain including the big cities there. we'll watch that for tomorrow. it's one of those days you'll want to stay indoors and get that to-do list checked off in the northeast as that rain and cold air moves in. hope you enjoyed yesterday. >> all right, bill karins, thank you very much my friend. we really appreciate it, and we will see you tomorrow. and still ahead here, more than three months after the deadly capitol insurrection, the department of justice says they won't pursue charges against the officer who shot and killed a
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. welcome back. the advisory committee for the centers for disease control decided yesterday to maintain the pause of the johnson & johnson vaccine while they continue to evaluate the situation. the panel decided they needed more time to assess the data and risks and will not vote on a recommendation until they meet again within the next ten days. johnson & johnson released a statement last night that read in part, quote, out of an abundance of caution the cdc and fda have recommended a pause in the use of our vaccine. the company has made the decision to proactively delay the rollout of our vaccine in europe and pause vaccinations in all jansen covid-19 clinical trials while we skrup date guidance for investigators and participants. the chief scientific offered said we continue to believe in the positive benefit-risk profile of our vaccine. we value the consideration of the drierds committee and we will continue to collaborate with medical experts and global
health authorities as we work towards continuing vaccinations to end the global pandemic. a new study from the cdc and kansas state university shows that empty middle seats can help reduce the risk of coronavirus on airplanes. researchers found that by keeping middle seats empty, a passenger's exposure is reduced by 23 to 57%, and that's without considering the use of masks. while there have been several cases of coronavirus transmitted on planes, airline cabins are generally considered low risk environments due to their state of the art ventilation and filtration systems. and the justice department announced yesterday it will not file charges against the capitol police officer who fatally shot a rioter during the january 6th insurrection. 35-year-old air force veteran ashli babbitt was shot by an officer as she climbed through a broken down door. after combing through evidence including social media videos and witness testimony, officials found that there was, quote, insufficient evidence to support
a criminal prosecution. the officer who shot babbitt who was an avid trump and qanon supporter has not been identified. all right, still ahead here, the mastermind behind the nation's biggest investment fraud scheme has died serving a 150-year prison sentence. we'll discuss bernie madoff's impact on the financial world as we know it. before we go to break, we want to know why are you awake? email why you're up and watching or drop me a tweet, use the #waytooearly and we'll read some of our favorite answers coming up later in the show. w.
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early" it is 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30 out west. i'm kasie hunt. former president donald trump is blasting members of the republican party yet again, just days after accepting an award from a top gop fund-raising group. trump continued his war of words against alaska senator lisa murkowski and wyoming congresswoman liz cheney yesterday. they have been frequent targets of the former president since voting to convict him in january's impeachment trial. in a statement, trump says in part, quote, great news for the republican party, senator lisa murkowski said she is still weighing whether she will run again for the senate in alaska. in other words there's a chance she won't run. wouldn't that be great? and so many people are looking to run against crazy liz cheney. we only want one. i'll make an endorsement soon. congresswoman cheney gave a succinct response about who she
will not be supporting for the 2024 gop presidential ticket yesterday. >> if donald trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him? >> i would not. >> okay. liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> okay. liz cheney joining us now, cofounder of punch bowl news anna palmer. good morning to you. it's great to see you. i know you guys have some reporting this morning about this very fight that is playing out, the impeachment ramifications, the split between those who are willing to continue to have donald trump be a leader in the party and the handful of folks who have not. what's going on? >> yeah, the rift that continues giving when you're reporting, but certainly there was a big debate as you well know among corporate america after the january 6th insurrection about whether or not to support those republicans who voted against certifying the ele
ecedo cut off their campaign contributions. what we're reporting this morning is it didn't really matter. the first quarter financials are coming out, and some of those republicans that really led the charge there are raising money hand over fist. josh hawley raised $3 million in the first quarter, marjorie taylor greene, the republican from georgia raised $3.1 million. that was her first quarter in the house. those are really big numbers, and basically show where the energy of the party is for republicans. >> yeah, the big numbers indeed. let's talk about this is another piece of frankly the fallout of january 6th, less political but focused on security. we were supposed to see the outlines of a package to try and pay for and build all of the new security -- the recommendations for new security around the capitol complex. where does that all stand right
now? >> we're above 100 days since the january 6th insurrection, this big massive spending bill that is supposed to be moving forward, $2 billion is actually the price tag they're talking about right now was supposed to be made public and it kind of moved through the process before the end of the month, but now that's being hung up. we're reporting this morning amid negotiations between the speaker and senate majority leader chuck schumer, obviously this is happening at the highest level in terms of what exactly is going to make it into that package. this is going to be everything from, you know, funding the hiring of a lot more capitol police as well as kind of hardening the complex, and as everything as you certainly know on capitol hill, this is seen as really must pass legislation, so there's a lot of folks who potentially want to add on to this legislation. that's kind of the debate that's going on, making sure that it has really continued to just be focussed on capitol security. they do expect this to come out probably early next month, but
it is a delay that we're watching very closely. >> yeah, and a delay that, you know, remember we saw another attack on the capitol just a few weeks ago, and we just saw billy evans, the capitol police officer who was killed in that attack lying in honor -- laying in honor at the capitol, so time is of the essence. punch bowl news's anna palmer, thanks so much for being with us this morning. we really appreciate your reporting. let's go overseas, u.s. intelligence chiefs issued a warning about china. director of national intelligence avril haines called china an unparalleled priority. here's what fbi director christopher wray had to say. >> i don't think there is any country that presents a more severe threat to our innovation, our economic security, and our democratic ideas, and the tools in their toolbox to influence our businesses, our academic
institutions, our governments at all levels are deep and wide and persistent. we're opening a new investigation into china every ten hours, and i can assure the committee that's not because our folks don't have anything to do with their time. >> meanwhile, "the wall street journal" reports the white house is expected to announce a new round of sanctions against russia as early as today. the new regulations are reportedly in response to a widespread hacking campaign and efforts to interfere in the 2020 election. that's according to people briefed on the matter. last year, officials say russia hacked the u.s. tech company solarwinds in what the president and microsoft describe as the largest and most sophisticated attack the world has ever seen. this these sanctions come days after a phone call between president biden and vladimir putin. the two reportedly discussed a possible summit in the coming months and russia's buildup of troops at the ukraine border which the u.s. has called deeply concerning. all right, still ahead here,
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took the top spot in 2007. aaron retired in 1976, was inducted into the hall of fame in 1982 and passed this january at the age of 86. atlanta's school board chairman said at monday's meeting, quote, names do matter. he was a hero. all right, ahead of the tokyo olympic games this summer, outfitter ralph lauren has unveiled the closing ceremony use themes for team usa. the sleek white designs complete with usa patches and red, white, and blue accents are ready to be worn by more than 600 athletes for the rescheduled 2020 games. the company has been outfitting team usa since 2008, and this year sustainability was a key factor. the clothing is made from plant-based and recycled materials and implements a dyeing process that uses less water and energy. the opening ceremony uniforms are set to be unveiled in july. and in a first for bachelor nation, the former lead of the
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. welcome back. reaction in pouring in from the business world from the death of bernie madoff. he was 12 years into a 150-year prison sentence. madoff was convicted on a slew of fraud charges back in 2008 after scamming thousands of investors out of billions of dollars in the largest ponzi scheme in u.s. history. the cause of death has not yet been determined. he was 82 years old. joining us now, law professor at western new england university, jennifer taub. thank you so much for being here, you are the author of the book "big dirty money: the shocking injustice and unseen cost of white collar crime " which makes you the perfect person to talk to about this. just as a refresher, how did the
bernie madoff ponzi scheme change wall street? >> what happened there, the scheme was revealed as you might remember in december of 2008 when he confessed to his brother and to his sons and then the following day they turned him in. and what it really created panic among not just the direct investors of his scheme, many of whom lost their life savings, foundations including that of holocaust survivor elie wiesel, completely decimated at that time, but it also, i think, stood in great contrast to what was happening in terms of the financial crisis. remember, at that time we had a major meltdown of the high risk mortgage backed securities market, and everyone was still reeling with the short-term wholesale funding markets crashing, with all of -- with
securities market crashing, and what it revealed, if people -- you know, there's this expression that warren buffett has -- you know, when the tide goes out, you see who's not wearing their shorts, and you know, madoff was one of those people, but everyone began to wonder what about everybody else. was everything just a large ponzi scheme, which of course was not exactly the case, but we spent a lot of time recovering not just from our loss of confidence due to a complete fraudster like madoff, but also the public's loss of confidence in the markets generally that could not stand up and not hold up with the tremendous bank failures at that time. >> do you think that something like this could ever happen again? >> yes. i do. i think that unfortunately, i hate to say it, but a good friend of mine wrote a lovely book called "the ponzi puzzle" and he talked about how while
there are some victims of ponzi schemes who are true victims, you know, people always are hoping and, you know, hoping and praying and sometimes getting a little greedy, some of the people who participate early on in a ponzi scheme and they'll look the other way. you know, folks want quick money sometimes and we can see this with, you know, the way that people kind of jumped in and still are jumping into some cryptocurrencies, which are manipulating markets, i believe, and then there's also, you know, game stop where people were just investing because the stock was going up without looking at the fundamentals. i think that to some degree everyone is, you know, hoping sometimes for a better return than they can get. the difference here, though, with madoff is that he wasn't promising these high returns. what made madoff's scheme so attractive to their -- to his victims, one, was that it was an affinity type fraud where he was going to members of the jewish
community who trusted him because of his role. he was going to -- he was not actually offering investments. he was holding himself back so people thought this was an incredible return. he was promising unbelievable year after year steady 10% returns. this is -- it was too good to be true, but people thought, well, it doesn't look so fancy. it looks something like steady. and people should just understand that they're really better off doing something sensible like investing in index funds and not trusting some kind of messiah who has a black box who's promising you some incredible return, whether it's steady or whether it's very high that you don't even understand. i think the other reason why this could happen again is madoff was facilitated by middle men who were making money between hedge funds.
they just make money based on assets under management, and as a result there are often people in that role who will facilitate fraud like this. >> fascinating and terrifying, jennifer taub thank you very much for being up early with us. we really appreciate your insights. earlier on in the show we asked all of you, why are you awake? keith writes i'm awake because i'm riding my bike from florida to vermont and the best time for biking is way too early:00. i'm in georgia, 1750 miles to go. that's awesome. justin tweeted this, i'm awake way too early because it's time to go drive the buses and take people to work and school. i live in clemson, south carolina. that's awesome. good luck at work today. drive safe. laura shares this photo saying she's up because the mama moose and her baby calf that kept coming to visit got up early for breakfast and came for a morning snack waking up my dogs. oh, my gosh, look at that.
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welcome back. president joe biden's popularity among his own party has grown exponentially since he took office. an analysis of polls by "the new york times" notes that as a candidate, biden struggled to gain traction with democrats, gaining less than 9% in the new hampshire primary. "the times" writes, for many of his supporters, biden seems simply like their best chance to defeat donald trump, who inspired far more passion than he did. but in the first few months of
his administration, biden has garnered almost universal approval from members of his party. and as biden nears his 100th day in office, most polls show him maintaining the approval of more than nine in ten democrats nationwide. and on that note, the latest quinnipiac university poll shows that 48% approve of the president's job performance, 42% disapproval. when you take a look at the issues, the "q" poll, 64% approve of the president's handling of the coronavirus. on the economy, 50% approve. 42% disapprove. on taxes, 45% approve. 42% disapprove. and on the situation at the southern border, just 29% approve of that issue while 55% disapprove. joining us now, white house editor for politico, sam stein. sam, good morning to you.
>> good morning. >> the polling here, obviously, the white house is acutely aware of where they stand with voters right now. and i think it has underscored to them that president biden's approach of trying to make sure he's including everyone in the way he talks about issues has been successful for them. i remember arguing with the campaign aides, back when biden's campaign was struggling, and they kept insisting, you know what, the democratic electorate is broader than you think it is, bigger than what you hear on twitter, and it seems like that was borne out not just in the campaign, but also now in the early days of governing. >> i agree with that. and i think they've stuck to a governing doctrine of do popular stuff. the things that biden is doing, covid relief, infrastructure, foxing on jobs the care economy, those all poll exceptionally well. the fact that he got covid relief passed that early, was bound to give him a popularity
boost. who doesn't like a vaccine rollout and $1,400 check in their bank account. those are things that poll exceptionally well. so it's not complicated at all. to another degree, there's a level of st. patrick's to it. which is that you have to sometimes ignore the loud noise that's happening on social media, because the universe of voters is far vaster than that. they've done both of those pretty well. it gets a little more complicated when they move to things like immigration, time and time again, the situation on the southern border, immigration is the weak spot for him politically. if he gets to a point where he's past that, it becomes a bit more complicated. >> and i'm glad you pointed that out. we know that the vice president kamala harris is set to at some point visit the northern triangle countries, but those
numbers that we saw from this poll, they really underscore why you see republicans going down to the border, trying to shine a spotlight on this particular issue, pause it is one that unites them, quite frankly. >> and i think they have a need for an issue, too. they've tried to attack the covid relief bill, they're going after infrastructure as that the necessarily infrastructure. but if you look at those polls, and the components of the build back better initiative, across the board, they poll pretty well, if not really well. one of them is focusing elsewhere. in this case, it's on immigration and culture war issues, and corporations that are weighing into voting rights issue. i think the republican party senses it needs to move the discussion elsewhere. i'm not sure it's had the best ability to do so, but time will tell. >> sam, i noticed you tweeted a little bit earlier this week about the quote/unquote boring
biden presidency and what is passing for boring or not boring. i mean, the amount of significant news we've had over the last week has really been off the charts. even if it's somehow because there aren't, you know, off the rails tweets to go with any of it. the idea that we would think what's been going on the last hundred days is boring is really remarkable. >> there's major news that touch every place of the presidency, our country, and the globe, really, from the afghanistan drawdown to the build back better initiative. and what i was trying to say is, there was this perception that biden was going to be this boring figure occupying the oval office. the world is not boring, there's so much going on that we have to manage. one, it's self-generated presidential news excitement, which of course, donald trump was the master of. he just woke up and suddenly you
had heart palpitations because you were checking your twitter feed. but there's the managing of the job itself, which was quite eventful. and biden's whole shtick is this job is not boring, it requires management. the idea of boring was never the news cycle, producing news. it was making sure it is just the news and not self-generated headlines. >> just the news. what a different world we are now living in. politico's sam stein, thanks so much for being here. we really appreciate it. and the reality is, so far, the biden administration is on track in congress with their infrastructure plan. we will see if they can all hang together as they start to roll out different pieces of it coming up later on this week, as we head into the conclusion of the first hundred days of a biden presidency, not a boring one. thank you for getting up way too
early with us on this thursday morning. don't go anywhere. "morning joe" starts right now. >> on my orders, the united states military has begun strikes against al qaida training camps and the taliban regime in afghanistan. >> last year, we removed 10,000 u.s. troops from afghanistan. another 23,000 will leave by the end of the summer. after that, reductions will continue at a steady pace with more and and more of our troops coming home. and as our coalition agreed, by the end of 2014, the afghans will be fully responsible for the security of their country. >> my original instinct was to pull out, but all my life, i've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk. >> i'm now the fourth united states president to preside over american troop presence in afghanistan. two republicans, two democrats.