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® buy one footlong in the app, and get one 50% off. subway®. eat fresh. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. president joe biden today returning to the room where it happened, announcing an end to the war in afghanistan in the treaty room, upstairs in the white house where president bush spoke in 2001, when he first announced strikes against afghanistan in retaliation for the attacks on september 11th. here's president biden just hours ago, making the announcement about a war that has spanned two decades and four presidencies. >> i believed that our presence in afghanistan should be focused on the reason we went in the first place, to ensure afghanistan would not be used as a base from which to attack our
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homeland again. we did that. we accomplished that objective. i said, among with others, we would follow osama bin laden to the gates of hell if need be. that's exactly what we did, and we got him. with the terror threat now in many places, keeping thousands of troops grounded and concentrated in just one country at a cost of billions each year makes little sense to me and to our leaders. we cannot continue the cycle of extendsing or expanding our military presence in afghanistan, hoping to create ideal conditions for the withdrawal and expecting a different result. i'm now the fourth united states president to preside over american troop presence in afghanistan. two republicans, two democrats. i will not pass this responsibility on to a fifth. after consulting closely with
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our allies and partners, with our military leaders and intelligence personnel, with our diplomats and our development experts, with a congress and the vice president as well as with mr. ghani and many others around the world, i have concluded that it's time to end america's longest war. it's time for american troops to come home. a senior white house official telling me today the president reached his decision after no one could explain to him why, if he stayed another year or two or ten, things would be any different. this official also explaining that the status quo was spun acceptable in president biden's view. a small number of troops taking casualties indefinitely. the official describes the decision process as a fork in the row -- leave or ramp up and become the fourth president to surge troops to afghanistan. a former national security official involved in the original decision to strike afghanistan said the most important element to maintaining protection against any
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resurgeonsens of threats is flexibility in the region, something a senior white house official explains will be achieved through a regional counter-terrorism operation. president biden visited section 60 today, where veterans from the wars in iraq and afghanistan are laid to rest. more than 2300 american troops have died in afghanistan since the beginning of the war. president biden today speaking with emotion about their sacrifice. >> i'm always amazed as generation after generation, women and men who have been prepared to give their lives for the country. they don't give it to the country per se, but their brothers, their brothers, mothers, fathers, uncle or aunts. it means i have trouble these days ever showing up at a
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cemetery and not thinking of my son, who proudly insisted on putting on the uniform and going with his unit to iraq and giving up his spot as attorney general in the state of delaware, because he thought it was the right thing to do. >> at the same event a reporter asked president biden if it was a difficult decision to withdraw troops. he replied, quote, to me it was clear. the end to the war in afghanistan announced today by president biden is where we start this hour, starting us off is admiral james savridis. mark jack cob son is back, a former adviser to secretary ash carter. also "new york times" chief
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white house correspondent peter baker is here, and former white house press secretary for president obama, currently a political analyst, our friend robert gibb is here. i want to start with you, admiral, not just on today's announcement, but the two decades that america's military has spent fighting in afghanistan. >> i will start by simply saying i think there are so many hundreds of thousands of us whose boots will carry the dust of afghanistan forever. a 20-year war brings a lot of americans into the fight. i would say everyone who served there came away with a sense of the afghan people. a sheer sense of beauty from the country and i think most all of us would shake our heads and say
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the people, the country deserves better, the culture of afghans deserves a better ending than i think is coming for them. when i hear the president, i get it. i understand the middle east fatigue and particularly the afghan fatigue in the country if i were advising the president, i would have said, sir, we have already brought the troops home from afghanistan. when i commanded that mission, there were 150,000 international troops and 100,000 american troops. today there are only 2500 american troops, and almost three times that allied troops there. so it's now, nicolle, a relatively small footprint. we haven't had a combat death in 14 months. i would have said to the president, continue the negotiation. what has changed is that, for the first time, we actually have the taliban at the table. i don't know if the outcome is going to be better or worse, but
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i do know, as military officer, it's never a good idea to tell your opponents, we will be off the field by this date certain. so i'll conclude an opening thought, which is what's really important is, okay, the president has made a decision, we'll salute and carry it out. what happens after september 11th of this year? i hope we will continue to fund the afghan security forces. in vietnam, we had from 1972 to '75, we funded the vietnamese. it was '75 when we cut off the funding that the helicopters lifted off from the embassy famously. we can avoid that, i think, about i keeping a strong embassy, being in touch with our allies, partners and friends, and continue to bush. i will close, everybody who has served there today looks out a
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window and feels a sense of sadness about what appears to be a failure. >> admiral stravidis, can you say whether or not -- what you're articulating is the advice given to president biden by the military? >> i certainly am not privy to those particular conversations. what i can tell you is i put myself in that filter. we heard from dave petraeus today, who commanded that mission, with thoughts similar to my own. i think there are plenty of us in the kribelible of afghanistan
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sometimes it takes a political leader to say you've got to know the difference between quitting and getting beat. i don't like to think we have gotten beat here. i think we can still make progress by working with and funding the afghans, but doing it from over the horizon. >> mark, the white house is very defensive on these points, and very eager to point out that indefinitely is not this president's view, an option. the detractor to today's policy announcements will say basically what admiral stavridis says is a small force. where do you come down? >> i want to follow up on something my former boss in afghanistan said, you're talking about 2500 american troops, and
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a couple thousand more allied troops. in fact our nato allies -- resolution partners have had more forces than we've had since december of 2020, but what we forget is our american forces have a disproportionate political impact. it's american forces there that underwrite the peace negotiations going on around the table. it's american forces that underwrite the ability of development agencies to continue their work, that will continue for years and for decades. i was just reminded today that we still have 500 american troops in bosnia. that's years ago. this deployment is not preventing the united states from dealing with greater strategic challenges. likewise, if we get to a settlement, what's to say we shouldn't be part of some international military presence guarantees that peace agreement. i think this is the wrong
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decision. i'm grateful we have a president who understands the sacrifice our troops have made, but i think he's been given by his team a false binary choice. either we stay indefinitely with a massive commitment or we leave. there's a lot of areas in between, a lot of work we can do that is beyond that binary choice. >> robert gibbs, you and i served presidents who were very much part of this history that president biden sought to bookend with today's announcements. i understand this is a president who knew exactly what he wanted to do when it came to the question of afghanistan, listened to input. i think what we're hearing on our own air right now, but came down on the side of -- really, i guess, against a conditions-based withdrawal, which is what mark and the admiral are describing.
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your boss didn't have an appetite for either the war in afghanistan or iraq either, but he did not make this move. can you talk about today's decision in the context of what you saw from then vice president biden around policy discussions about afghanistan? >> well, i think a lot of what you've heard from president biden today set what i heard 11 1/2 years ago in more than 30 hours of situation room meetings with then president obama, discussing exactly that, our posture in and around afghanistan. i think what you heard today is very much what he articulated then, a real concern about our ability to change afghanistan based on our military posture. i think that was enumerated pretty clearly then.
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i think you can certainly argue that 2500 troops don't take your eye off the ball of the series of challenges around the world, but we do know the president's time in the national security council's time is finite. i think it's hard to argue there aren't pressing concerns throughout the rest of the world, namely arising china, an iran that is mentioned just this week, announced this week they're going to enrich at a higher level. obviously a declining soviet -- former soviet union and russia that still presents huge amounts of challenges throughout the world. i think this is really a recognition from president biden that there's a limit to what we can do militarily, and that our horizon is clouded with more pressing challenges for america. >> peter baker, the response
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from some of the veterans groups -- it is euphoric. this is john salts, an iraq war veteran, who sid, quote -- words cannot adequately express how huge this is for troops and military family who have weathered deployment after deployment with no end in sight for the better part of two decades. i certainly respect the informed opinions of all of our guests, but there's a true wear and tear inside the military from these endless deployments. how much did that weigh in on this president's final decision? >> oh, certainly, yeah, i think that's exactly right. i think about this day, nicolle. i was in afghanistan when the war started 20 years ago as a reporter. i was sitting in a mountain village as the first became came down. if you asked me at that point would we still be there 20 years
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later? that would be inconceivable. even though we knew it would be hard and knew what the solve-and-and british experience had been, it still seem far-fetched. i think you're right, the exhaustion factor on the military and -- i've been struck by polls that veterans have a pretty similar view of the value of the afghan war as civilians do. even though many of them spent enormous amount of their services, in some cases gave great sacrifice, that they too have come to a conclusion, somewhat soured on the war. that doesn't mean that president biden's decision is the right or wrong one. there's reasons to debate that. there are obviously factors on the other side. what about the women and girls we made a commitment to 20 years ago, telling them we would be there to protect them in the taliban and now the taliban is
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all but certain to be in a better position when we're gone, but you can acknowledge the exhaustion. heard the president talk about that today with respect to his own son beau and his own connection to the military. well, peter, you're the perfect thread to pull think this whole 20-year history, because you then came back to washington and covered those bush terms where the war was launched on bush's watch. the white house just confirmed something i had heard earlier today from two sources, that president biden called former president bush to tell him about his decision. jen psaki also confirming that he called president obama. this is a return to a kind of diplomacy that we have not heard much of in the last years.
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still opening up the door, reaching out and just engaging in that -- what used to be normal, not even notable, but reaching out to his predecessors was important. >> i was struck by that, too. i don't think president trump called any of his predecessors to ask for advice, to seek any guidance or experience, or to offer his own views. he didn't feel like that was necessary, doesn't have much respect, and i thought that was probably a mutual feeling, but you're right. this used to be the way it was go. lyndon johnson would call dwight eisenhower and seek counsel. present -- president obama called president bush when they got osama bin laden, to make sure he knew it before the public. i'm sure he'll be interviewed in
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a few days because of a book that's coming out 678 he has a history, as you know, of trying not to second-guess thinks successors. i think it would be fascinating to hear what they thinking 20 years later. he continues to be so involved with veterans. he works with wounded veterans and, you know, the warriors he calls them. i know these very personal to him, but it would be interesting to hear his thoughts. >> he does believe and live by the creed that we have one president at a time. admiral stavridis, i want you to pick up on what robert gibbs said. vladimir putin has troops on the ukrainian border, and perhaps from president xi, who may be
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eyeing some aggression in taiwan. talk about what president biden has inherited and the strategic and potentially military challenges he faces now? >> it's kind of a three-ring circus. you ar tick lated two of the three rings. there are probably 80,000 russian troops on the ukrainian border. we have certainly sent a lot of signals that it wouldn't be in russia's interests to do so. he would love to take a bite out of southern ukraine. the second ring of the circus, taiwan, where we've seen the highest number of chinese jets flying into the taiwanese defense zone. there's a chinese carrier battle group. normally you hear me say there's an american battle group, but a
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chinese and an american group, and third ring of the circus, i thought bob gibbs laid it out perfectly, which is iran, which is ramping up production to 60%. it's absolutely correct to say, you know, those are bigger problems than afghanistan. got it. on the other hand, i think we can do more than just those three problems. i was struck by peter as comments about the women and girls of afghanistan. i think we can still be involved and be engaged. again, if we do the funding, do the diplomatic support, perhaps we can be helpful to avert a really disastrous outcome. yeah, there's a lot going on, and i'll finish with this. it's typical of a new administration to face tests and challenges. by the way, the dog who hasn't barked hard yet, kim jong-un,
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wait until he pops off another one. i think my friends in the white house, state and defense have pretty full plates and they have my full respect. robert gibbs, i want to ask you to pull this all together. i think you and i, on a white house staff, have the experience -- actually everybody here understands this. presidents are most of the time, i would say 99% of the time, choosing between bad and worse. do you think they chose bad or worse in their decision about afghanistan today? >> oh, i think president biden is pretty clear-eyed about the challenges that are going to continue in afghanistan. i think that's why you'll see much of what you heard the admiral talk about, continued security support, continued diplomatic support, continued development support, but i absolutely agree with you. the decisions that get to the
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white house are ones that can't and haven't been made at the lower levels of government, because they're really hard. they understand the risks of this decision. there are, in a decision like this that's that big, there aren't any that don't have any risks. they understand and they're trying to manage that. even as they rebalance the way we look at the world and the challenges that continue to pile up for this president. >> admiral stavridis, peter baker, robert gibbs, and mark jacobson, thank you so much for making time for us to start us off. i'm really grateful. charges have been filed against the officer who shot and killed daunte wright. will it defuse any of the tension on the streets still? and officials are having to push back against conspiracy theories today, following that pause in administer the
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a former police officer who shot and killed 20-year-old donte wright on sunday has been arrested and charged with second degree manslaughter. police say kim potter, a 26 year veteran of the force, grabbed her gun instead of her taser during that traffic stop. the wright family has been
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demanding justice for daunte and calling for charges in the case. the attorney for the family, ben crimp, cited the black activists movement and the women who have lost their children to police. >> the sacrifices of what she has given and how trayvon martin has propelled the notion that black lives matter and that we should get equal justice under the law is the reason why on this day in 2021, in less than a week, reverend, in less than a week, the district attorney made the decision that we will charge this officer and the family of daunte wright will get to have their day in court. >> let's bring in msnbc
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correspondent cal perry with us on the ground, and kimberly atkins is back, a columnist for the boston globe. an msnbc contributor. cal, take me through what's happening there today and your reporting on the reaction to the announcement of these charges. >> reporter: so we have what's happening at the hennepin county jail, which is former officer potter has been booked in. those charges are now official. here is how the charges read in minnesota state law. culpable negligence, whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk and takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another. i think protesters wanted heavier charges. the second degree manslaughter charge is something the district thinks they can make stick. the protesters here wanted heavier charges and they want legislation to be enacted like we've seen, for example, at the
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state level in kentucky after breonna taylor, like we're seeing an effort be made in the name of george floyd on a federal level when it comes to justice and policing, which is why we saw junior members of the state assembly out earlier today talking about the need to change the legislation to make it easier for police to be sued by victims of these events, to make it more difficult for police to use this deadly force out here on the streets, nicolle. >> and, kim, we read the contents of the george floyd policing act. it's not a radical piece of legislation. it does what cal described and also bans choke holds and there's a lot of discussion that without some change in the structure, without getting rid of the filibuster, it might be a nonstarter. where do you see federal action around legislation? >> i think that's absolutely right. i mean, we are seeing some action, as cal pointed out, at the state level to try to address, to try to enact some policing reform, criminal
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justice reforms. i know in massachusetts reforms went through, but it did not have that qualified immunity elimination that cal was talking about that allows people to -- it makes it easier for people to bring civil charges against police who act in this way. it will definitely require eliminating the filibuster. it's one of many things that would require removing the filibuster. i think it's probably a better chance that it will happen for legislation like voting rights, but i think it needs to happen, especially given that the filibuster has a history of being something that was used to stymy civil rights, as opposed to broaden them. i just want to make a point about the charges that were brought against kim porter. >> please. >> very frequently prosecutors will bring charges that they know can stick immediately, and this is three days out, three, four days out from the incident. it very well could be, as the investigation moves forward, that more serious charges can be
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brought. it may also be true that lesser serious charges could be brought. we see with derek chauvin that there is a range of charges that he is charged with. so it's still early. i know that the protesters want to see more serious things and it's possible that that could happen. it's just too early to tell right now. >> and, cal, kim mentions the derek chauvin trial is ten miles from dr. daunte wright was shot. there's another haunting connection, george floyd's girlfriend once taught daunte wright as a high school student. how is the community absorbing these sort of twin shocks of the re-trauma of the trial of derek chauvin and reliving over and over and over again the last moments of george floyd's life, now with the defense case seeing him tried, the victim here, and then this new shooting of a young man, he was a father, his girlfriend was in the girl. i know that there's pain being
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expressed on the streets, there are calls for calm and curfews. can you take me inside what you're hearing from people in the community? >> reporter: yeah, i think the feeling is this is an ongoing thing that happens here every day. we see that a lot and i don't think we stress it enough. the defense attorney for former officer potter is also a defense attorney for one of the officers who was involved in the death of george floyd. so it's a very small circle. there have been at least four incidents where an african-american quote/unquote suspect has been killed by police in just the last three to four years. the second degree manslaughter charge is nothing new for police officers. we saw it in the case of fernando castile. we've been hearing from people who say that george floyd justice and policing act talks about officers living in the communities that they police. we've seen this all over the country, whether it's baltimore or louisville or kenosha or
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here, so oftentimes the community is not policed by people who live inside the community. none of the officers we found out in this community of brooklyn center actually live in brooklyn center. they commute in. so across the country we're sort of hearing this and it certainly is true here in minneapolis where you have these multiple incidents happening in a very short period of time, people feel overwhelmed, which is why i think you saw last night small groups of people furious, looking to have a confrontation with police, throwing bottles of water at the police. there was no back and forth, there was no cohesive march. it wasn't a large group of people trying to get a message across. it was people trying to pick a fight with the police here. so you had these clashes that didn't last long, but were seriously, i think, and very obviously symptomatic of the frustration here on the ground, nicolle. >> cal perry, thank you so much for your reporting. we'll continue to turn to you. kim adkins is staying with us.
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as we await a decision in the days and weeks ahead by an independent group of federal health experts who are meeting today to discuss whether to restrict eligibility for the johnson & johnson vaccine, which has up until this week
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effectively protected more than 7 million people in the united states from covid-19, it's startling evidence that the uphill climb the biden administration faces against vaccine hesitancy and baseless republican cynicism in the form of one tucker carlson. the fox news host last night questioned the efficacy of all covid vaccines because experts still want us to wear our masks. here was dr. fauci's response to that ludicrousness today. >> that's the typical crazy conspiracy theory. why would we not tell people if it doesn't work? look at the data. the data are overwhelming. in the three vaccines that have been approved for use in an emergency use authorization. i don't want to get into arguments about tucker carlson, but, to me, it's just -- you know, it's counter to what we're trying to accomplish to protect the safety and health of the american public. >> joining our conversation, dr. erwin redliner, the founding director for the center for
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disaster preparedness and lucky for us, an analyst. kimberly adkins is still with us and she has important insights, too. i want to start with you, doctor. we showed you that because, with the j&j example, it shows, i think, the opposite. the minute there was information about a small number of people having a medical reaction, a crisis, that was instantly shared with the public. i mean, what is dr. fauci up against in terms of really undoing some of the disinformation that's been spoon fed to some groups in this country? >> yeah, nicolle. this is a very interesting situation. it's like a major shock to the system that we have a federal government that's transparent, honest and competent. and i guess that is hard to take. but the fact of the matter is that i'm very reassured, and people should be reassured, that we're dealing with a government that cares, that wants to
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communicate honestly, that when there seemed to be potentially a problem with the vaccine, it was released immediately and it's being dealt with. so i'm feeling very good about it, honestly, and people like tucker carlson are really undermining the ability of our country to get a handle on this pandemic. it's really a shame, nicolle. but i'm glad that the government is doing what it's doing, letting us know. and i spoke just a little while ago today with dr. walensky, the head of the cdc, and asked her to tell me why they are releasing the data so promptly. she said there were several reasons. number one, they wanted the public to know that they're being transparent. number two, they want to make sure that people and doctors who are observing this complication of blood clots are reporting them immediately. thirdly, there's actually a treatment implication, because typically blood clots might be treated with a blood thinner called heparin, but in this case it should not be.
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so those are the reasons. and it's being evaluated as we speak. >> i feel like you should have transferred her to kim, because kim had the j&j vaccine. kim, you've written about it today. i want to read from your piece and then i want to ask you about it. you write, if i had to do it over again, i would get the shot without hesitation. i want others to view this pause not as reason to doubt the drug, but a reason to believe in it. i understand how people, including many african-americans who have well-founded suspicions about whether the health care they receive is inadequate or laced with inherent bias. when i think about my mom, who is wary of covid vaccines, until a source she trusted, dr. anthony fauci, got it herself. she and my dad are now fully vaccinated. first of all, you had j&j. you decided to write about it. just talk about how you feel, not covering the story, but being part of it. >> yeah, well, i feel great physically. that's a good point.
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and i got it about a week ago. and when i heard this news on tuesday from the fda and the cdc, i thought, oh, no. i didn't think oh, no, because i was worried about my own health, because i know that although it's really tragic that these six women, between the ages of 18 and 48, got this blood clot and one died, i know that for the 7 million people, including me who got this vaccine, this vaccine is 100% effective against hospitalizations and death from covid. and i was terrified that it would cause vaccine hesitancy. i could understand why it might, because we've gotten so much information over the last year, so much of it has been contradictory and confusing, and i just wanted it to be as clear as possible that, although it is good, it's good that the stop happened, it shows that safety protocols are in place, but if it does last just a matter of days, as dr. fauci says it might, and i hope that it does,
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i really want people not to hesitate at all to get it. for me, it was the best choice for me among the vaccines. i wanted it done quickly, i wanted my immunity at full level as quickly as possible. i've got a wedding next month, i have like 14 jobs. i have a lot to do and i don't want to go back for that second shot. and i want other people, for whom this shot is the best one for them, to have access to it. that's why i wrote this column. >> kim, i just want you to keep talking. let me just throw out some data and i want to let you keep going. i mean, the truth is, the j&j vaccine, you were drawn to it because you're so busy. a lot of people are drawn to it because it's a production to go in once, let alone twice, and places that don't have easy access to pharmacies or it's a drive, it is just easier. of all of them, it's really disappointing that this is the one that was going to have this small issue.
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can you talk about that side of this? >> yeah, and that's absolutely true, for people who live in rural communities, for people who have child care challenges, gig economy folks, it's a good choice for them if getting that second vaccine would be arduous. and we've already seen people when the initial efficacy numbers came out and the efficacy numbers for the j&j vaccine was in the 60s, as opposed to the 80s or 90s for the other one. and people were saying this was the less valuable vaccine, even for a brief period of time, the mayor of detroit, my own hometown rejected the j&j vaccine. he later accepted it saying he wanted the best for his residents. this is the best. this will save lives. particularly for people who are most vulnerable. so, you know, i only have my words to share and i hope that they are helpful to people. i will say all over the place, i will thrilled that i got this vaccine, i'm glad i got it and i
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hope others can. >> i never get enough of your words. dr. redliner, i want to come back to you. the full picture on our vaccines is, one, truly first world circumstances that we're so blessed by having three vaccines. but by far the vast majority of america's vaccine supply is pfizer and moderna. by far the biggest bets that the biden white house made were on ramping up supply of pfizer and moderna. and i'm told that people that had appointments for j&j, if they want to keep those appointments, there is in most cases the prospect of getting a pfizer or moderna shot instead. >> well, by the way, kimberly's words, i cannot overstate how important that message get out. i'm so glad she did that. but i think the reality is there will be large supplies of pfizer and moderna, and also i do think we're going to see a return of
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j&j at maximum capacity and it will, again, take its place among the choices that americans have and people around the world have. and i think that's good. and everything needs to be kept in perspective right now. the downside of having this pause is that it might undermine people's confidence in vaccines in general. but overall i agree with the cdc's decision and look forward to the further deliberations of the advisory council on immunizations. and i think over the next couple of weeks we'll be back on track with j&j. but i would personally take that vaccine. i would allow my children of that age range to take that vaccine. not that i have any control over what they do, but i would certainly advise them to do that as well, just like kimberly did. >> doctor and kimberly, thank you so much for having this conversation with us today. we're really grateful. up next, we go to minneapolis. a tense cross-examination late this afternoon between
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chief medical examiner said that cardiac arrest was the main cause of death and argued for the first time that cash unmonoxide maeve caused a problem on george floyd's neck. fowler was pressed intensely by prosecutor jerry blackwell during cross-examination about that claim. >> how do you know the car was even on? >> it is a question i specifically asked, and then i made an observation of water dripping from what appearing to be a tailpipe. >> so if i asked it directly, do you know if in fact the car was on or not, you didn't see any information or data from anybody who says i either turned the car on, or i'm the one who turned it off. you didn't see either one, did you? and you assumed from seeing
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something dripping, the car had to be on. >> it's not an assumption. it's an evaluation, which to my mind indicates that the vehicle was running. >> all the other experts said george floyd died from low oxygen levels from a knee on his neck. the judge today denied a subpoena to force morise hall to testify. and also denieded eric nelson to to a. >> shaquille brewster has been outside the courthouse watching the trial with all of us. we missed you yesterday, my friend. you're back today. tell us what the defense is trying to do. it feels like on cross-examination the
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prosecution is getting the better of at least some of these witnesses. >> reporter: put simply, the defense is doing what it can to create as much doubt as possible. it's their witness that they brought up. dr. david fowler, to come up and explain other theories. you heard him contradict the state's witnesses, saying that the manner of death, instead of being a homicide, which everyone agreed with, including the medical exercise, he would have ruled it undetermined. you heard him say the specific cause of george floyd's rest was he had a sudden cardiac aritz my yay due to his heart disease during restraint. that contradicts the other experts, who said he had the
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cardio pulmonary arrest, basically assisted by the subdual and restraint. this was another expert to give another possibilities of what happened, and create doubt of what the prosecutors have been laying out as the main cause of death. you mentioned that aggressive cross-examination that we saw. it seemed as if jerry blackwell, his tone shifted over the course of his cross-examination. he was initially very aggressive and then backed off a bit, but he got that concession you played there on the tape, but he also got dr. fowler to admit he didn't take into account george floyd's full weight. it was also the 20 or 30 pounds of equipment. he also got a significant concession out of him when he said that immediate medical attention could have reversed the cardiac arrest that george
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floyd was experiencing and should have been rendered to george floyd. so there were a few concessions, but the bottom line is the job of dr. fowler was to create some doubt. it seems as if he did that in his testimony. >> what does the jury look like, or what does it feel like when the prosecution can so easily take a knock out of dr. fowler's credibility. i don't want to harp on the carbon monoxide, but it seems to perfectly -- did you know if the car was on or off? obviously if the car is not on, there's no way there was carbon monoxide. so i wonder if the jury was attentive as the prosecution seemed to pretty quickly poke heels in his account. >> reporter: you also heard the prosecution mention that, hey, you're not a cardiologist, you're not a lung specialist,
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you're not these other experts we have heard from already. you got the hint they were trying to get at the credibility. based on the pool reporter's notes, the jury did seemed attentive, during those moments. they did take note when the carbon monoxide discussion came up. so they were taking note of that. i will make one note of a comment that we saw from the pool reporter in this latest pool report, where they say throughout the cross-examination, at jurors were very engaged. they were taking more notes than they were the direct examination. this is a key thing i see here. they say when blackwell said you shouldn't cherry pick facts, juror number two nods emphatically. so you're getting some reaction from at least one of the jurors in that room there, nicolle.
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we see this threat manifest itself in minister inspiredly al qaeda and isis, and those who commit terrorist acts for i had logical goals, stemming from other influences. which we refer to as domestic dve. dve is an increasingly complex threat growing in the united
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states. >> terrorism today, and that includes domestic vileent extremism moves at the speed of social immediate that. that means recruitment, planning, training, dissemination of propaganda, et cetera, all those things that apply and that happen on the jihadist inspired side are also happening on the domestic extremist side. top voices in the u.s. intelligence community talking about the increase of domestic violence today these warnings from top official have turned an angry mob of trump supporters, attacked the u.s. capitol, a horrific siege that resulted in injuries to more than 100 members of the u.s. capitol police, and the deaths of five
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people, including one officer. according to a blistering new assessment by the inspector general, the department was clearly warned about the threat of violence ahead of that -- the 104-page report by inspector general michael bolton reveals that three days before the insurrection, a capitol police intel assessment alerted to the potential for violent linked to donald trump's big lie. from that assessment, quote -- due to the tense political environments following the 2020 election, the threat of disruptive actions or violence cannot be ruled out. supporters of the current president see january 6th as the last opportunity to overturn the results of the election, the sense of desperation and disappointment may lead to more of an inrentive to become violent. the targets of the pro-trump supporters are not necessarily
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the counter-protester as previously, but rather congress itself is the target on the 6th. on the inspector general's evaluation, "new york times" writing this, quote -- bolton found the agency's leaders failed to adequately prepare, despite explicit arranges that pro-trump extremists posed a threat to law enforcement and civilians and police used defective protective equipment. he also found the leaders ordered the civil disturbance unit to refrain from using the most powerful crowd control tools, like stun grenades, to put down the onslaught. the most definite stating account to day around the most violent attack on the capitol in two centuries. bolton as conclusions contradib claims by stephen zund, who said this when testifies before the senate in february. >> i witnessed insurgents
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beating police officers with fists, pipes, sticks, bats, metal barricades, and flag poles. these criminals came prepared for war, none of the intelligence we received predicted what actually occurred. >> the capitol police inspector general is set to testify about his findings on the hill tomorrow before the house administration committee. just a few moments ago, the capitol police responded say the department fully agrees with many of the recommendations it's received from the oig and task force 1/6 to date. a revealing look into what the capitol police knew ahead of the insurrection and when they knew it is where we start this hour. from the "new york times" congressional reporter luke broadwater is here. agent at the fbi, pete -- peter
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strzok is back. now we've got response to the reports. take us through the latest. >> sure. well as you know, congress and others have undertaken investigations and reviews about what went wrong. tomorrow, the inspector general of up capitol police is set to testify before the house. he has completed two reporters to date, neither of which has released publicly, but i've been able to review those reports.
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one of the major findings is he was able to determine that it -- and while supremacists, they would likely be armed and congress itself was the focus of anger and fury. in addition, he was able to determined that the homeland security and the fbi had delivered intelligence warnings, but those warnings obviously did not result in additional preparation or enough resources on hand to turn back the attack. the other things that the inspector general really focused on was the lack of proper preparations in terms of equipment, shields that the capitol police had in use that day, had been stored improperly
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and shattered upon contact with the rioters. there was one really, i guess, sad incident in which a group of capitol police tried to get them and they were locked on the bus so the police unit could not get the protective gear and had to go back into the fight without their shields. so there were numerous findings likes this laid out in the more than 100-page report that i think will be really revealing. i think members of congress will have really tough questions for the inspector general tomorrow when he testifies. >> there was something they kept saying in the hours and days after, saying it could have been so much worse. this seems to make that point pretty clear. this is from the times
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reporting -- the department of homeland security warned the capitol police on department 21st of comments on a pro-trump website promoting attacks, with a map of the capitol tunnel system. several comments promote confronting members of congress and carrying firearms during the protests, a capitol police analyst wrote. among the comments reported, quote, bring guns. it's now or never we can't give them a choice. your thoughts on how this plays into our understanding on the investigative side, where the charges seem to be more and more serious, moving toward this very specific point of planning an intent. >> i think it absolutely does play into some of the recent
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charges you're seeing. within the past couple days, there have been new charges filed, talking about a group of folks in a hotel in northern virginia, allegedly part of a quick reaction force, had a variety of long guns. the allegations are they were a standby force to be called in, if needed, to bring in a much bigger level of firepower. i do expect a lot of tough questioning tomorrow when he is in front of congress, and i think it provided a road map to beginle things that clearly broke down. >> you report about the counter.
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du, the civil defense unit, that they didn't use their most sort of effective and powerful defenses against the insurrectionists. why not? >> it's unclear. the inspector general found, in his opinion, was that if these more serious, less lethal devices had been used, things like stun grenades, that the riot could have been turned back more quickly. he said that the capitol police told the same disturbance unit not to use the most serious devices, didn't identify which leaders gave that order, but i expect it to come ugh in questions tomorrow. it does apt from his report he interviewed people that told him that directly.
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that they were told not to use the most serious tactics. this may be in keeping with some of the things we saw in terms of bringing in the national guard and the discussions that the defense department was having at the time about not wanting to show this level of force against what they believed would be protesters that day. obviously it turned into, you know, a deadly riot where 140 officers were injured and one ended up dying. so in retrospect, the calculations were misguided, but, you know, the inspector general said they should have allowed their officers to use the full range of force. >> olivia, it seems like the elephant in the room is they didn't use everything they had valuable to them, because these were donald trump's guests in
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washington. donald trump invited the people there. he hosted and headlined the preparty. he sent them to the capitol. what role do you think the fact that who the protesters were, who invited this emto washington in the first place, where some of this intelligence clearly came from. the report cites pro-trump web sites. what is the trump factor on the law enforcement response on that day? >> when i read the findings of this report, honestly, nicolle, what really stood out to me was the fact, that statement where it says the stopple steal propensity to attract white supremists, militia and groups prone to violence, all i kept thinking about was trump and the stolen election narrative. ted cruz, josh hawley, mccarthy, gohmert, all of these individuals played a role in
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this along with president trump. tomorrow when they're questioning the inspector general, when these senators are asking the questions, i will be very curies to see the types of questions they conditioned a how how they try to cover up for themselves. this report lays it out clearly these people were significantly driven by the lies they were fed by these people in leadership right now. >> luke, we've talked about it. you came on this show and talked about it. you have this incredible piece of reporting about ties to some of the same militia groups under scrutiny by the justice department, and republican house members. have you heard from any of those offices about the firnings of this ig report? >> i have not personally. what we have heard mainly from the house republicans who were involved in promoting the ideas
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that led to the attack on the capitol, such as the, you know, widespread voter fraud or those types of things promoted by the former president, has been trying to switch the subject, trying to talk about something else, and focus on other issues, and not delve into what happened on january 6th and what led up to that tragic day in american history. so -- now, we do have hearings in both the senate and the house going on, but we have not yet heard about whether there will be a september 11th-style commission to go forward and write, you know, basically a book-sized report on everything that happened around this day. as of right now, i believe that has stalled currently. i haven't ahead any advancement on that proposal. i think there are some hoping these types of reviews and
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inquiries go away and they can change the subject, but there are many people in congress who want to keep the attention on that tragic day and really get to the bottom of what happened. >> pete, if you take the post-9/11 commitment to never again fail to connect the dots, the dots are all there for us. the testimony today in this threat hearing was about the rise in domestic violent extremism and home-grown terrorism. there's not too many dots to that belief system with some of the people with the biggest megaphones in politics. what do you do? >> when you look at the threat assessment, the volume of space in the report that's spent on domestic violent extremism is greater than that afforded to al qaeda, to isis and hezbollah, to the intelligent community is
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looking at this as a tremendous threat. what you have to do, though, to translate that is pierce this political veil that has chosen to turn a blind eye to this violent reaction to various causes, whether it's racially based violence, white supremacy or neonazism, and saying this can't be a partisan issue. this is indefensible by anybody. it shouldn't be a difficult issue, but for whatever reason it's having a tough time creating credibility, and we've got to find a way, probably will you the electorate, probably what you're seeing through the business community, certainly on a national level, saying there are sorts of behavior that are inappropriate, un-american and we won't stand for. there has to be a concerted effort to put a spot on what are unacceptable activities and motivators. >> pete is being nice, ode
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livia. i won't. they're not a certain pat of the electorate. they're just republicans. we don't know of any democrats repeating big lies in the form of a heightened threats. i covered at the last hour the president's decision to remove all troops in afghanistan by september 11th, the 20-year anniversary. you can almost cue the attacks from republicans, saying no, no, no. i think that everyone who wall street weighs in should go on the record -- who won the elect and there was no fraud. >> i think they have shown there's no rock bottom. when you have tucker carlson out there, you know, pushing white
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nationalist viewpoints, i think that says it all. these people are watching the echo chambers on these networks that are part of this. they're also a part of the problem. i think the problem here is this isn't just politics. this is messing with our homeland security. this is messing with a very dangerous movement that is gaining traction. this is domestic terrorism on the rise, and this is mainly a result of their negligent leadership and their behavior patterns that continue to repeat themselves over and over again. >> luke broadwater, peter strzok, thank you very much. olivia is sticking around. officials in brooklyn center, minnesota are holding a news conference on the daunte wright kay. we want to listen in for a bit. >> for raising your voices in honor of dante wright.
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this has truly been a tragic and difficult week for the people of brooklyn center. my heart is broken for daunte's family and friends. he was taken from us and from them far too soon. i share our community's anger, sadness and shock. my message to all who are demanding justice for him and for his family is this -- your voices have been heard. now, the eyes of the world are watching brooklyn center. i urge you to protest peacefully and without violence. let us show the best of our
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community and to the wright family, i know that there is nothing i can say or do who will bring daunte back or ease your grief, but i promise you this -- his death will not go in vain. as we navigate this challenge, we are going to strive to ensure the safety of our residents and our staff, including our public safety officers. we are working to safeguard our businesses and other gathering places from damage. with the news of the decision to charge the former brooklyn center police officer with manslaughter comes a prolonged period of continued grieving,
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hurt and understandable anger. our task as a city and as a leadership is to allow for the expression of those very legitimate voices and to also create a pathway forward toward healing and renewal of our stability and strength as a community. the foundations of achieving these goals are transparency and accountability. i look forward to working with our city council and our newly established community crisis management team, and with all of our residents that find -- together with all of our residents to find a way forward. i ask the community to remain
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peaceful as we live there you this tragic event. i pledge my support to honor the request for justice for daunte wright, as he and his family remain in our thoughts. i want to reiterate that we have extended the curfew from 10:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. tonight here in brooklyn center. i want to thank you all, and we'll stand for questions. >> reporter: will the former officer receive any pension or retirement benefits that -- you've been watching a press conference from brooklyn center mayor mike elliott. we have our reporter, cal perry,
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there. this seemed a call for calm in this city. tell me what was behind the mayor coming out this hour. cal, can you hear me? >> reporter: i can hear you. i'm sorry, i missed the question. i apologize. >> that's okay. we were playing for our viewers that news conference from mayor elliott, brooklyn city mar cryoafter three nights of protests. talk about what he's hoping for tonight. he extended the curfew to let people be out there and express their grief and rage, but what is the mayor's message to the city tonight? >> reporter: so the mayor continues to walk this fine line between allowing people to protest, allowing them to get their message out. i think now that some of the crowds that are showing up are not necessarily interested in doing that. there is a fine line between wanting people to protest and
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what we saw last night, which was some people throwing bricks and water bottles. consistently after midnight they were giving late press conferences where they would try to walk that line. the mayor is an almost unwinnable position. the national media is here. at curfew time there was at least a 10 to 1 ratio. the protesters are not well organized, at least not after curfew. then there's the legal question after curfew, if you are out here, you are applicable to be detained and arrested. we heard it in the press conference, the officials would love to not have a repeat of that, but they are certainly prepraerd for it, nicolle. we saw ben trump and al sharpton in a news conference
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earlier, really staying on top of this, but calling for calm. is itted minority, you described them trying to provoke the police, i imagine that's a slim minority. >> reporter: during the day, you have -- during the day you have these vigils, these events -- go ahead and swing and show it. you have people setting up for tonight, which is a very different crowd. it's very rarely the people from the vigil during the day from the ben crump pressers, from those event, the community events. what generally happens is you have an influx of people between these hours between 5:00 and 7:00 as people get off work. the moment police make the announcement that people can be
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arrested, the moment they come out of that facility behind me here in brooklyn center, the crowd then thins. the people that don't want to be arrested go home. unfortunately what it leaves is that very hard-core group. i spoke to somebody ten minutes ago, he's 41 years old, he started crying, and he said he's worried about the lack of justice, if, for example, officer potter is not found guilty or if derek chauvin is not found guilty. these two cases are inextricably linked because of geography, because of the protests, because of what's happening. this person was crying. grows up in this neighborhood -- we talked about this last hour, most of the prime are not living in the area. he said he worries the lack of justice will propel this naked into worse violence.
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i think you're alewding to a number of people come in from out of town. people are worried about the weekend, and it's the small group of protesters that can thrust the city into violence. with the trial, it's an extra element. this is something we keep hearing in these press conferences, will people time it for the verdict? will people come to the city of minneapolis? >> it's a story we're going to stake on all through the night and continue to call you on. cal perry, thank you so much. we're grateful. when we return, we have a preview of how the biden administration plans to fight back as republicans in more states are passing laws designed to restrict the right to vote. we'll tell you about that next. new developments into the investigation into congressman gaetz. he's been in deeper problem longer than any of us have known, and this threatens to get
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president biden, attorney general garland have talked about the importance of the right to vote. i will follow their lead in ensuring the civil rights decision, if i am confirmed, is using the tools in its arsenal -- the voting rights act, the national voter registration act, uniformed and overseas absentee citizens voting act -- to ensure that eligible americans have access to the ballot in our country. >> that was kristin clarke from this morning, president biden's supremely qualified nominee to
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lead the justice department's civil rights division, addressing a topic that understandably came up again and again at today's confirmation hear. biden's selection of clarke, who has a tremendous amount of experience is an important tell how this administration plans to tackle recent attempts by republicans to restrict voting rights and the obvious racial issues inherent in the system. if you get the printed copy -- i'm a dinosaur, i get it -- you might have noticed a heed spread titled "we stand for democracy." it's a statement signed by dozens of companies, big once, like amazon, google, starbucks, netflix, along with prominent investors, law firms and nonprofits. the statement gets those entities on the report opposing,
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quote, any discriminatory legislation that could restrict ballot access. joining our conversation, columnist for "the washington post," eugene robinson, and olivia, lucky for us, is still here. eugene, so many days we come on the air with this story and the news is bleak. this feels like -- i won't use the tired dam breaking, but it does seem like brakes are being pumped on this movement. >> it is encouraging. it is -- it was encouraging to see that huge double truck ad in my newspaper this morning, signed by all those corporations and all those prominent executives calling for voting
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rights. that was encouraging. it makes a difference to have the business community so committed, luminaries in the business community, some of the biggest companies in the world. now we'll see if they also throw their real weight behind this campaign. the other thing, you know, kristin clarke, it is so vital to have a dedicated, real activist -- it will be a real change to have an active civil rights division of the justice department that seeks to protect voting rights in this country.
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so even though, you know, a lot of the voting rights has been gutted by the supreme court, there's a lot of it left. a lot of it that can be enforced by an active, committed justice department. i'm encouraged that it looks like we're getting the right advocate in kristen clarke. >> i want to hear more. let me play more of kristen clarke from today. this is speaking about the repassage of the civil rights act in 2006. it feels like another time. >> i had the privilege and honor of sitting above the senate floor in 2006 for the 98-0 vote to reauthorize the voting rights act. i know there's six members of this committee that were there for that vote. i believe bipartisan support for voting rights is something we should continue to aspire to.
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we know ongoing voting discrimination remains a real problem in our country. the voting rights act has proven to be one of our most powerful tools, passed by this body, the senate, in the help to ensure that eligible americans have full access to the ballots. >> olivia, i had store gotten the margin on which the reauthorization act passed, and then signed by a republican president. it is not helpful to say that the republicans were good and now they're bad. the republicans have never been really good in this area, but they've never been this bad. these are republican-backed bills, 108 of them, making their way through 47 states. even the republicans supporting them will privately acknowledge that they're based on a lie. it seems the republicans who are
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left -- i don't even know if we can counseled them on one hand. to the degree they can push this in another direction -- it's not enough to stop bad laws. i think they're backing it to rig the system. they're not growing any support among young voters. they don't campaign really for the college vote their policies can't be sold across broad swaths of the population, but for the people who were around, what obligations do the republicans have? >> if they care about our democracy at all, and voting is a fundamental right, that's what our country is based on, it's a freedom that many people have worked to obtain, i would say it's incumbent on them to take a stand, to start to push back on these efforts. where is mcconnell on this?
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instead of complaining about the corporations, giving that speech, the irony, though, nicolle, to me is we have a bunch of senators there, you know, who are talking dr. seuss, and they use cancel culture as the greatest fear. they use it to fundraise. i find it interesting when the private sector is speaking up, saying what is happening is not oak, and voter suppress is not okay, and we will stand up for our democracy and the fundamental right to vote, i wonder what they'll say. you're starting to see that trend. you're starting to see them say, okay, we're going to try to cancel you, make it hard, take it -- our grievances against you. i think that is so telling of the failure of republican leadership right now. >> yeah, eugene, to olivia's point. ted cruz, mike lee, the fisk guy, they want to cancel
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baseball. here's the inconvenient truth, and i know this in my bones. republicans don't exist without corporate money. they just don't. they're not grass-roots people who support enough republicans for them to exist for 15 minutes if corporate money dries up. corporations have this opportunity to makes this bipartisan. i hate to put my eggs in the corporate america basket, so i won't, but there is an opportunity to change this debate in the country. >> some republican senators, you know, have now gone so far as to put themselves on record against baseball, right? take away the major league's antitrust exemption, but you're absolutely right about corporate
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money. it's not just corporate contribution, campaign contributions. correspondent pacs, and corporate executives that raise tons and tons of money. i mean talk about big the mother's milk of politics. they must realize that if they cut off that source of money, where's the money going to come from? you know, maybe they think donald trump is going to get it for them from small donors, but good luck. you know, any money donald trump raises for the party, first of all, he's going to take his cut. second, he's not going to be around forever. so it's mystifying. you know, i mean, you can go back to a time when the
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republican party was not antivoting rights. this is way back, the original passage, which were quiet republican votes. so this isn't even the republican parties of richard nixon, to say nothing of it being the party of lincoln. when you put it that way, eugene, we have to have that be the last word. thank you so much for spending time with us today. when we return, president biden's decision to end america's war in afghanistan amid rising threats elsewhere. jeremy joins us. don't go anywhere. jeremy joins us. don't go anywhere. ♪♪ the lincoln family of luxury suvs. my name is austin james.
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i know there are many who will loudly insist that diplomacy cannot succeed without a robust military presence to stand as leverage. we gave that argument a decade. it's never proved effective. our diplomat sit does not hinge on having u.s. in harm's way. we have to change that thinking. president biden today on his commitment to ending the war in
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afghanistan, promising to not pass the responsibility to a fifth president and to withdraw the remaining few thousand u.s. troops in afghanistan still by september 11th of this year. president biden says there's no longer a military -- -- as we face all around the globe in an intel gen can china top of mind. joining our conversation former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash. i think of you in the old roles, and i think about something i said to a current white house official, you know, people don't understand that most presidents are choosing between bad and worse. i wonder just, first, i spoke to a former senior intelligence official who was involved in the first strike on afghanistan after the september 11th attacks, who acknowledged that the military probably needs this, that they're exhausted. even though it's a narrow mission, ending it by september
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11th might be a very good thing. where do you come down? >> nicolle, i think this was clearly the right decision. this was a historic decision. we've been at this 20 years, america's longest war. about a decade ago, we delivered critical blows to al qaeda. it was about ten years ago to almost this week when the special operations forces with practices their raid which they executed flawlessly on may set, 2011, to take out osama bin laden. for the remainder of the rest of the decade we've pedaling in place, not getting a lot for our presence. yes, there's a risk al qaeda could rejuvenate and the taliban could allow them to come back. when you look at that threat assessment from all the leaders in the intelligence community there was also a risk that they could regenerate in africa.
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so i -- of course we wouldn't put troops there to deal with that, so i think it was the right decision by the president. i have to say the previous administration, like it or not, struck a deal with the taliban to leave this year. if we were to have stayed in violation of america's word, the taliban would have escalated their attacks, and we would have been forced to escalate, american troops would have been hampld or killed in that, and i don't think that would have been the right course of action, either. >> that was one of the factor, as i understand it, that the president would have been the fifth president toe surge troops. he would have had to expand the mission. i want to ask you about the other threats that this white house has to contend with. a former national security official suggested that both putin and xi are likely testing this new administration. putin with thinks troops on the border of ukraine and xi with
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taunts and threats about taiwan. can you evaluate those two threats? >> i don't know if they're testing the administration, but both of those leadser are taking enormous risks. they are threatening america's partners on the doorstep of nato, and they're doing it at a team when russia obviously i think has been to say deterred for their activities vis-a-vis opposition figures, and xi in china is the most consequence quenchally threat and challenge facing the united states. what he's doing in the western pacific, what he's doing with theuighurs, and hong kong, and that will be our focus.
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>> i spoke with someone who said i think the president views this infrastructure package as part of our foreign policy. he views strengthening the u.s. from the ground up as challenging china. should be making more publically, that it is a role in the world to get these through? >> absolutely. at the height of the cold war, we were spending a percentage of r&d to meet the challenge of soviet union. now we're going to be investing in research and development in high tech manufacturing and supply chain resilience. all the things we need to do to challenge china. this is a global digital challenge. we use smart power. we use soft power. we have to use digital power, invested by the united states to confront china everywhere in the world. otherwise, we're going to lose
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supremacy and the idea that open, free internet that supports democracy and supports our values will be a pipe dream and china has to dominate. we have to do those to achieve our national security objectives. >> you know, i want to ask you to sort of characterize this president as a foreign policy president because so much of his public life was in this arena, and he was on the foreign relations committee. he was a very important advisor to president obama. but now it's him. now he is the president. he engaged in calls to his predecessors to talk about his decision in afghanistan. he called my old boss. he called president obama. so there is a classy and sort of traditional touch to how he's stepped into the role. but how would you describe sort of his philosophy on america's role in the world in 2021? >> well, no person, no leader has grappled more with the idea of sending troops into harm's way than joe biden.
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after all, his own son war the uniform of the united states in a war zone. i think president biden is the first president in a generation to have a son or daughter in harm's way like that. so he feels it deeply. of course he paid a visit today to arlington national cemetery, the final resting place of our fallen heroes, to section 60. and he believes that our nation owes a debt of gratitude to all those who serves. thank you. thank you to everybody who served in afghanistan. our heart breaks for those whose lives have been lost. their sacrifice has not been in vain. but it is time now to heal those wounds and to move on for the united states. >> 2,300 americans have died fighting in the war in afghanistan since it started. it's a perfect place to end. thank you for that, jeremy bash. thanks for spending some time with us. when we return, as we do every day, we will remember lives well-lived.
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