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we pull the trigger too soon on this. >> america puts a pause on the johnson & johnson vaccine. >> we want to get this worked out as quickly as we possibly can. and that's why you see the word pause. >> tonight my exclusive interview with doctor anthony fauci. and breaking news from the new york times, the indictment associate -- is cooperating with the, feds with information about matt gates. plus, will the outrage of the police killing of dante ray affect the outcome of the chauvin trial. also my exclusive interview with senator elizabeth warren on the day she takes the gavel of the banking subcommittee. senator chris murphy and biden's new commitment to end america's longest war. >> peace will be achieved by helping afghanistan develop its own stable government. >> all in starts right now. >> good evening for new york, i'm chris hayes. we have a lot to get to tonight. we have the third night of protests in brooklyn center
minnesota. that's a live picture there. that's over the police killing of 20 year old dante wright. of course that's happening against the backdrop of the flu trial in minnesota. we're keeping an eye on the situation there. this was the scene less than half an hour ago. we start tonight with the big news, that kicked off the day. in the fight against the pandemic. now it has been a remarkable first 83 days, in the biden administration's global vaccination program. today, the first real big issue. when i saw this news, the fda and cdc are pausing administrative of the johnson & johnson vaccine, after some recipients of the vaccine experienced extremely rare blood clots. now, as of yesterday, more than 6.8 million people have received the johnson & johnson's shot so far. the number of people who have been found to have suffered from this rare chronic disorder is six. literally less than one in 1 million.
we know that all six of those were women, it between the ages of 18 and 48. that one woman died. another in nebraska has been hospitalized in critical condition. today, officials from the fda and cdc stressed that the pause, was out of an abundance of caution, they expect to last only a few days. while they reviewed this situation, and came up with recommendations to treat blood clots if they do occur after vaccination. especially, and i think this is key, because in this particular case, the standard treatment for a blood clots could actually make things worse with these clots that have been developing in the six patients. in a statement, johnson & johnson said that no clear calls a relationship is been established between vaccine in the blood clots. in the later's team in the company and it was delaying the rollout of the vaccine in europe and pausing vaccine clinical trials while awaiting guidance. again, six people out of nearly 7 million folks who got the shot. as many pointed out today, it's
a very small risk compared to the risk of blood clots from taking certain birth control pills, or from actually getting covid. here are the numbers. the chances of blood clots from the johnson & johnson vaccine, based on what we know now, are less than one in 1 million. with certain birth control pills according to the fda, the chances are close to six and 10,000. the chances of blood clots if you are hospitalized with covid silver about one in 20. and just to put this news into perspective, political is reporting biden officials are bracing for the possibility, of a weeks long disruption to the johnson & johnson vaccine supply. which comes, or could come, on the heels of the factory mix-up in baltimore that ruined up to 15 million doses of the vaccine a couple of weeks ago. with the, said white house covid response coordinator said that no matter what happens, the johnson vaccine, the biden vaccine plan remains on track. >> we believe there's enough vaccine in this system, with moderna and pfizer, for all
americans who want to get vaccinated, by the 31st to do so. >> not long after he made those comments, the ceo of pfizer, said his company could deliver 10% more pfizer doses than previously agreed to, by the end of may. which should help make up for the shortfall. keep in mind, those extra 10% doses are more than johnson & johnson has been administered altogether. johnson & johnson he's been a very small sliver, of american vaccinations thus far. the pause and the use of johnson & johnson vaccine, was technically just a recommendation from those government agencies but most states immediately halted use of the single dose vaccine, along with major pharmacies, u.s. military, most americans with johnson & johnson shot scheduled in the coming days saw them canceled. or rescheduled. some states quickly switching those people to other available vaccines. today anthony fauci said the anyone who got the johnson & johnson vaccine, more than two weeks ago should be in the clear. >> so someone who maybe had it
a month or two ago would say, what is this mean for me. it really doesn't mean anything, you're okay, because if you look at the frame, the timeframe when this occurs, it's pretty tight. from a few days, 6 to 13 days, from the time of the vaccination. >> doctor fauci is going to be joining us in a few minutes to discuss all of this. right now we have three vaccines available in the u.s., pfizer moderna and johnson & johnson. pfizer vaccines they use this new kind of technology, called messenger rna, in basically it's like computer code, injected into her body, that teaches ourselves how to make a little protein, that triggers the immune response, to get everybody making the antibodies to fight off covid. the johnson & johnson vaccine is not like. that it's like that attenuated virus of traditional vaccines. in it along with the vaccine developed by astrazeneca and oxford, which is not available here, it's available in europe, they do not use nra. here's an important, thing regulators in europe, have seen
similar, and similarly rare blood clot issues, with the astrazeneca vaccine. that resulted in temporary halts in the use of that vaccine last month. in many european countries. okay, so now we're in a holding pattern. waiting to see results of this, pause and see if this is isolated or if maybe there is more cases. the decision to pause the use of johnson & johnson vaccine, was made, it appears, fairly independently by the fda and cdc. the white house covid response coordinator, that guy who is responsible for all of this, said today, he only found out about it last night. you have to imagine that was not a great call. that independence we should know, reflects a kind of promises kept on the part of the biden administration. which campaigned on restoring the independence of scientific agencies. generally a good thing. at the same time, one of the most difficult challenges facing officials from the very
beginning of this pandemic, and that goes back to late january early february last year, how to make high stakes decisions, under conditions of uncertainty. with incomplete information. no clear roadmap. it's not easy. you could argue, this is the right decision, then allowing johnson & johnson vaccinations to continue, would result in more people having serious complications. and also and more vaccine hesitancy across the board, and stories start to get out, about the folks that had experienced this particular side effect. you can also argue on the other end, that this enormous announcements, phone notifications and whatnot, calling attention decide effects for what at this point isn't almost's -- will only serve to amplify vaccine concerns, and also make things worse. not an easy call in either direction. there's one person in the whole wide world want to hear from in this situation, it's doctor anthony fauci. director of the national
institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the national institute of health. chief medical adviser to president biden, we're very lucky to be joined by him tonight. okay doctor fauci, let's start with this, who makes this call? >> the call was made, unquestionably by the fda in the cdc, working together. so it was based purely on the scientific and public health considerations. >> but even if that's the case, there's some balance of trade offs here. there's cost and benefits in either direction. what's the matrix for that decision. what's the process by which you evaluate the sort of risks and cost on either end? >> what had happened, is there were a couple of cases that had been picked up in the surveillance, of the j.j. vaccine administration. and then it became three and four and then five.
in a reach six. the fda in the cdc said, we better just take a pause here. and take a really close look at this. a are there any more cases that are a lot more that we're missing? in be, what is it. one of the details about this. we need to learn more about it. the other thing that was important, that we mention today in the press conference, is that it's a message to the physicians out there. if particularly young women have been vaccinated come in, with this syndrome, and need treatment. because really it's or rare, but it's quite as severe syndrome, that the general thing, and you mentioned this yourself chris, running up to the show, the treatment in general, for clots, is an anti coagulant, hepburn would be conjure indicated in this case. because it would make matters worse. so you really want to alert the physicians out there, hold on folks, we have an issue here we,
are going to try to sort it out, it may not be nothing, it may go back to where we were before. but let's just pause and take a real close look at this that's what this is all. about and that decision was made purely on public health and scientific bases, by the fda in the cdc. >> i just want to push on the little bit to understand the risk calculation here. there's this phrase abundance of caution. which has become a kind of cliché, which used today. out of an abundance of caution. every time i hear that phrase i think, i don't want an abundance of caution, i want the correct amount of caution. we're fighting a deadly pandemic. it doesn't, it matters how many shots get in arms. you and i agree on that. it matters whether people have the effects of reading this news and thinking oh my, word i don't know about these vaccines. there is stuff on the other side of the ledger here. i think you would agree. >> there is. but this is not a rare event,
when you are following the potential for adverse events with a new product, such as this vaccine. were you pause, take a quick look in and say ok, this is probably nothing, it's probably need anything more than you'd expect anyway. let's move on. that happens more frequently, then you can imagine chris. because of the attention, on this, for reasons that are really obvious, we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic. it becomes something that people pay a lot of attention to, but it's not at all in usual to have pauses, when you're dealing with vaccinations. >> but even if it's not unusual, i guess i would say that the messaging, is in a different environment. i wonder how much you guys think, and i think we're trying to be very clear and responsible here in this program, about what kind of risk we're talking about, and what it means more broadly. but how much the general picture vaccine, hesitancy,
conspiracy theories about bill gates yadi otto. affects the overall picture or decision-making sphere, which all these folks are operating. >> you know chris and goes both ways really. you could say, this is going to have a navigate of impact on the issue, of hesitancy, but on the other hand, it might actually work in the opposite direction. because people want to know that safety is a very important issue. often when people are hesitant, they say i'm not really sure that this was really carefully looked at. is it really safe? i think what you see happen today, was the fact that safety was put right up front. it might last just a pause for a few days and go back in. but at least, the system worked. people were watch this very carefully, in they saw something that was suspicious, that might mean something, and they said okay let's wait a minute, and take a really careful look at this. so i think it fortifies the whole concept, that we take
understandably everybody wants to open up, there's a good deal of covid-19, and we're seeing creeping up of cases, i when exactly call it a big surge that goes up, we had a baseline of about 30,000 cases and then went up to 40 50 60. last weekend we had one day where it was 80,000 new cases and given day. more people you get vaccinated, we vaccinate now, the more people you vaccinate each day, you will have three to 4 million people vaccinated. you get closer and closer to the vaccinated people being dominant. as opposed to the virus itself spreading among people. when that happened, in you're going to see it reasonably soon, you'll see a reduction in the number of daily cases, and that more people getting vaccinated will be loosening up of the restrictions. things that people, who are vaccinated can do, that they were able to do before.
i believe are going in that direction. if we just stick to the public health measures, at the same time that we're vaccinating. if we just throw caution to the wind, and be declare victory prematurely, we are going to really step back the efforts, of the vaccine by having a greater effort of the virus itself running rampant. we don't want that. we want to get public health measures, to control the virus, at the same time is we detect more and more people each and every day. >> dogs are anthony fauci, i can't tell you how much i appreciate your time in this very busy. day it's really great to hear from. you come back anytime, thank you. thank you very much chris. we've got breaking news from the new york times tonight in the matt gates investigation. remember that one? seminal county tax december spread out on the table weirdly. just who is reportedly cooperating with the federal investigators and what are they telling them about this? >> introducing
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it's assuming this is not independently verified and this news just broke about an hour ago. the justice department is investigating greenberg and gates for technical terms the sex trafficking of a 17 year old girl. congressman gaetz has denied any wrongdoing. he says he is never paid for sex, had sex with an underage girl or recruited women online. michael schmidt is one of the reporters who broke the story at the time and he joins me now. michael what can you tell us about what you learned a new report? >> well, look, joel greenberg had a massive amount of criminal exposure. he's been indicted on 32 charges. he faces a minimum of 12 years in prison and the docket of his, the things that have been filed against them are sort of a buffet of different
criminality's and when you're in a situation like that and you're looking at an ask massive amount of time proving that you have to figure out how to get out of that. what greenberg realized is that his only choice was to cooperate. so he has been meeting with federal investigators with months now providing them with details about his own encounters and gates encounters with women and we expect here and waits to come for a formal plea agreement, cooperation agreement to be announced. at that point, will get a better sense of truly how much the government trusts greenberg's cooperation. how important is he to the investigation? how important will they see him and be willing to go to a federal judge and open and ask for a sentence reduction? >> that point about trust here seems crucial in terms of the framing that you yourself gave which is that this is someone who gives a strong incentive, and slips to give up to other
people and in any administration anywhere on any department of justice or u.s. attorney's office, a prominent congressman that's a big deal. so there is going to be a question about the reliability and all of this. >> yes, look, this is a u.s. attorney's office in florida. we're not talking about you diane wire eta and the offices that came up during the mueller investigation. we're talking about an office that probably hasn't had, or isn't doing a ton of high-profile complex cases. they did have a trial some years ago for the wife of the nightclub shooter on terrorism charges and they lock that case. that was an embarrassment for the government and the government usually wins terrorism cases. and we do not want to move forward with any investigation but particularly one that has been politically incentive that
involves a member of congress, and you know that if matt gates were to go to trial with the government he's been walking in with some form of a high-end defense lawyer. someone who is really going to take the government on. these cases are not simply just looking at documents and having an agent testify. you need to rely on people who are working in the room and there are different credibility problems with different witnesses. but does it mean that he's been talking to feds this long? >> so what happens is if you reach a plea or cooperation agreement with the government, the government knows what they're getting themselves into because they have spent time with you. they have learned if you have admitted to them all of your culpability. if you have other information. how truthful are you. what kind of witness could you be? they do not signed that agreement without having that sense so over many meetings, the government will sit down and learn as much as they can from the witness.
and that is why there have been so many memes that have gone on in the past several months. >> michael schmidt, great reporting. thanks so much for reporting. don't go anywhere, my exclusive interview with elizabeth warren was her first hearing on canceling student death. you don't want to hear this interview next.
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most importantly this senate democratic majority that is empowered -- is it some of the chambers most crucial economic committees are being run by some of its most progressive members. those members are now able to get with the flow on issues and legislation, debt cancellation. joining me now is senator warren. -- it's great to have you senator. you're hearing today was on the student loan cancellation and student debt. which you are pushing for very hard. where 83 days. in one of the prospects for that? what's your prognosis? >> my prognosis is we're going to get this done. president biden, could cancel $50,000 worth of student loan debts, basically with the stroke of a pen. student loan debt has been canceled, by president obama, by president trump, and already by president biden. he's been canceling about five
billion dollars of student loan debt every single month, in the accumulated interest that he's canceling. the reason we're going to do this, is because it's so critically important. one of the things we face in this nation, is a black white wealth gap. that has been with us now for generations and generations. by canceling $50,000 of student loan debt, the president would have the ability, to close the black white wealth gap. among borrowers, by about 25 points. and for latinos, that's about 27 points. talk about something that would see transformative in this nation. we could do that. >> let me ask about the distributional pointed. the average amount of u.s. student loan debt. whether using the media near average, it moves around. somewhere around $32,000. the argument that has been made is that, canceling ten or
$20,000 has distributional impacts, but when you get up to 50,000 your canceling the debt of a dentist, who is doing pretty well, or a lawyer who's also doing pretty well. and why would you, why would you cancel the death of people who have taken out loans for relatively high earning jobs afterwards? >> so remember, the proposal is to have an income tax on it. so it's not canceling student loan debt for people who are making a brazilian bucks. in by the way, the median, according to the latest data from the department of education, that they just released today, the median is closer to about $40, 000, worth of debt. keep in mind, what that would mean, for that 84% of the people out there, who have student loan debt, they be free and clear. they be done. they'd have no more student loan debt. and also remember, who these
folks are. i know, everyone wants to talk about the person with the fancy diploma or whatever, 40% of these folks, never graduated from college. so they are wrestling with student loan debt, in what you make is a high school graduate. it's time to turn him loose. >> you have been quite outspoken, and i think forward thinking in the realm of taxation. and there's a big tax to be happening right now. in congress, about infrastructure paying for, about raising corporate taxes. it seems a little like we're chasing our tails around the tree, which is that, the republicans are never going to agree to any taxation uncooperative shuns or people at the top. full stop, it's the only thing that holds the caucus together at this point. in my crazy or it is that just seems obvious to me. >> which republicans do exactly mean here chris? if you mean republicans all across this nation, in fact
they support a wealth tax. the majority of republicans across america's support a wealth tax. as do the majority of independents and democrats. it's the folks in the senate, in the house, who say no no no. because they are the ones, who are beholden to the giant corporations. to the billionaires. in their big promise is that they are the tax cut people. so that the rich can get richer. and somebody is going to have to pay to keep this government going. and they're willing to just keep shoving that off on to middle class folks, working class folks. to doing it through cuts they managed to shove it often to poor folks. what this debate is really about, is about talking about ways of taxation, that are truly progressive. forms of taxation, that raise a lot of money and put basic fairness in this system. you know me, give me a chance and i'll talk about the wealth tax. a texan fortunes above 50
billion million dollars, we can raise three trillion dollars, over the next ten years. that will pay for a lot of preschool in childcare. a whole lot of infrastructure, just that one piece alone. >> final question for you is about the new the news in afghanistan. we are on the armed services committee and i saw your statement on, this i'm going to be talking to chris murphy in a bit who's also quite invested in this issue. president biden appearing to announce tomorrow a withdrawal that is not condition based. of all troops, by september 11th of this year. do you support it? >> i strongly support president biden on this. it is time for us to get out of craftiness than. >> senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. thank you so much for making time for us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> ahead, another day of big headlines, in the chauvin trial, another day of protests. police officer who shot and killed dante wright, has resigned. will she be charged?
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brooklyn center minnesota, where the community is struggling with grief and anger after a 20 year old black man named dante wright was shot and killed by police officer over the weekend. that shooting, happened just ten miles from where former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin is currently on trial, for the death of george floyd last year. earlier this afternoon the families of dante wright and george floyd came together. to hold an emotional press conference. >> they murdered my nephew. she killed my nephew. he was left. he was hours. he came from us. my brother and my sister. like i said this is no broken home. this is no broken home. this is 23 years of love.
23. my nephews nephew was 20. did y'all not see my little great nephew. did y'all not see that beautiful little baby. he is fabulous. not a mistake. >> dante rates and you just saw there. also revealed a connection between the two men, george floyd's girlfriend used to be dante wright's teacher. shortly after the press conference, officials announced that both the police officer identified in the shooting, in the brooklyn center police chief resigned. this comes after the city council of brooklyn center voted last night to fire their city manager and give the mayor control of the police department. all of these changes in response to the unnecessary death of a 20-year-old black man. and of course all happening against the backdrop of the trial of derek chauvin, we are today, his defense team begin laying out its case. calling several witnesses who seem to do little to undermine the video evidence we've all
seen. one of the defense witnesses was former law enforcement officer named nick very broad, who testified the use of force was justified. prosecutors spent an extended period of time getting him to mid-that derek chauvin should have known he was causing george floyd unnecessary pain, and should have been aware enough to stop when he was doing. >> from this point forward, from this point until the points in which the emt is arrived, and tap on the defendant shoulder, and take mr. floyd, in place him on to the gurney, from this point, to that point, mr. floyd was not resisting, was he? >> no. >> the defendant maintain the same the same general position. >> yes. >> force must be reasonable at the start of the force correct? >> yes. >> throughout the continuation of the force, and at the end of the force, correct? >> yes. >> right, so is it reasonable to continue using the force on a limb body of a man, who has
taken his last breath underneath? clearly it's not nothing reasonable about the forced jurors -- have been forced to admit it's much. for more on that, when we learned today and in and out of court, i'm joined by rachel paul, as former u.s. attorney for district -- professor at university st. thomas school of law. let's start with your analysis of the testimony today. there are multiple experts put on by the defense to basically argue that this was a justified, and legitimate use of force, by chauvin. when did you think of those witnesses? >> i think unfortunately for the defense, the line the jury is going to remember is mr. braun's line, that if only george floyd had been resting comfortably, compliant with the police officers directions, none of this would have happened. in his direct quote was that he could've been resting
comfortably. as a midwesterner chris, this reminded me of bobby knight's line, years ago, that if a woman knew that rape was inevitable, she should just lie back and enjoy it. it's not possible for a woman to enjoy assault, just as it's not possible for a man to arrest comfortably win three grown men are on top of them and one is on his neck. >> do you think when you see that moment stuck out in terms of the jury, do you think that, in which way do you see that cutting? >> i think that is showed remarkable lack of sensitivity, which is at the heart of this case. the lack of empathy. the lack of judgment. the lack of understanding of what was being done. to take human life, as a legal matter, notion that you can't believe with your own eyes are telling you, i think it is again not going to bode well for the defense. because the jurors do have common see what's happening for themselves, on that video.
and i think they are going to be asking themselves, is anyone, is it possible for anyone to rest comfortably, on a sidewalk, with police officers on top of you? >> there is another moment where this expert, mr. broad, talked about floyd becoming more compliant, again kind of like that resting comfortably line. i want to play it because it's so straightening in the context. so straightening in th context. in your view of the clip we just looked that, just focusing on the subject behavior, what is mr. floyd doing? what was he doing in that clip? >> he is becoming more compliant. >> well, is there any noncompliance you are able to see in that clip? >> in this clip, no. >> when he refers to him becoming more compliant, that's -- the man taking his last breath. >> he is dying. and if the argument of the
difference is, as they suggested last week, that even saying i can't breathe isn't of resistance, i think they face the dangerous possibility that the jury is -- this is going to backfire with the jury because the jury is going to say that this is completely unreasonable and just shows how excessive the force was in this case. and if this is any clue as to derek chauvin's mindset and not just the theories of his defense attorneys then he deserves conviction on one or more counts. >> you should note that mr. broad also appeared as a witness for jason van dijk a police officer who was convicted of murder for shooting and killing a 17 year old. you've probably seen that videotape as well. what is striking to me here, and one of our producers pointed out earlier it's stuck with me all day is when you see what's happening inside the courtroom is literally exactly what you hear from certain corners of particularly
right-wing media after these incidents about, well, he had excited delirium. he was on drugs. super strength. he was resisting arrest, he was this dangerous almost be steel force for the officer. i mean, there's no difference. it's the same line being pursued by the defense attorneys inside that courtroom as how it gets tried in the court of public opinion. >> absolutely. and that is why i think this inability to hear people, which a lot of people thought was what was most disturbing about that video, derek chauvin's lack of response to both mr. floyd as well as to the crowd around him is being echoed throughout this trial. and i don't think that bodes well for this. >> rachel paul is who served as a u.s. attorney there in minnesota, thank you so much for making time with us. >> thank you. >> all right coming up senator chris murphy on the white house
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of the committee formal relations and he joins me now. first of all, your reaction to this news. >> it's the right move it's a recognition of facts on the ground and things that are arguably our mission and afghanistan was accomplished a decade ago and we went to afghanistan in order to take out the taliban, to remove the ability of al-qaeda and operating territory -- what our counter-terrorism officials tell us today is that while al-qaeda is not completely gone and they're down to maybe 200, 300 fighters and then they no longer have the ability to use afghanistan to plan large-scale attacks against the united states. we've been engaged in over the last decade is nation building. we've been working with the afghan government, clear the
taliban out, put the afghan government in charge of the security of that nation. we've given them every opportunity to be able to stand up their own defenses and their own government structure and i think at this point we have to recognize that if we were to stay for another 15 years, we likely wouldn't be able to completely rid that country of the taliban. but having accomplished the main goal, which is creating al-qaeda to the point where they can't attack the united states directly from afghanistan again, it's time to bring our men and women. home >> there's an interesting split and republicans i saw interviewed today, folks like lindsey graham angry and sat at this news. others with more equity knit-y. mitt romney saying he's not sure. others, ted cruz saying it's time to bring him home. do you think pressure, political pressure or pressure from the pentagon which is successfully, let's be honest, rolled administration after
administration on this and if it's going to within this withdrawal? >> i think that this is no surprise who have watched joe biden over the years open reporting tells us that during the obama administration, then vice president biden was arguing for a more american forces because as a senator, joe biden had watched very closely and he knew that general after general had we needed just one more year, two more years in the afghan military were so close to being able to take over and control things on their own and of course that never came to fruition. in fact, the taliban use the american presidents there as recruiting falter and our presence there in fact was elongating the conflicts, not bringing it to a more precipitous close so i don't know that joe biden is going to be dissuaded. i think he's been of this
opinion for a long time. that he needed to bring this to an end. >> 1 to 10, how sure are you that this is going to happen? >> ten. again, i just -- >> know, there's a certain loose in the football of quality here. i'm 42 years old and i've done this for 20 years. we've reported on it for however long, for like 16 or 17 years and possible withdrawal with afghanistan and here's the government yediot. so i feel like all believe it when i see it but you are close enough to this administration and i think you have your finger enough in the polls and you see this as an actual thing that is happening. that means something. >> well i think it's happening because this president is committed to the policy in a personal way but also because he faces a an orientation and just this weekend we have just seen and president rattling from the chinese in and around
taiwan, we have russian forces of ukraine and we obviously have a number of new security threats in africa in the middle east and right now we need to put and money and resources and the united states exist and right now they just aren't in afghanistan. >> you have been a very outspoken supporter of the iran nuclear deal and getting back into it. republican and trump administration hated the deal left in and netanyahu and the admits ration government hated it and has been clear about hating it. there was a blackout attack on the tons site, and a power failure caused an explosion struck the ukrainians tight on sunday and what a rainy and officials called an act of sabotage. they suggested had been carried out by israel. i think it's widely viewed as likely something they did.
does this feel like an attempt to sabotage the just starting talks between the u.s. government and iran? >> i can't to speak to responsibility for this action but what i can say is this. it is additional proof that there is no military pathway to divorcing iran from a nuclear weapon. this attack, whoever carried it out resulted in iran making a decision to move even further forward with their nuclear research program, getting closer to the breakout time to a nuclear weapon. and so it is just more confirmation that no matter how many different novel ways you try to attack the program, it is not going to divorce them from a pathway to a weapon. it is only diplomacy that is going to force the iranians into a different disposition and posture so i think the iranians know that this administration is serious about
getting back into the jcpoa and i think time is ticking here. iranian elections are coming up. we have a short window to get back into compliance and force the iranians back into compliance and about 27 of us sent a letter to the administration recommending this compliance approach and i hope that we are going to see the jcpoa come back into effect very soon. it would be very very important for the security of the region and the world. >> it isn't the well irredeemably poisoned? >> with respect to what? >> to iran! i mean, they struck a deal. we walked away from it then their nuclear scientists are getting whacked left and right under the rules based international order i mean, come on. >> no, and listen i think all throughout the world we are having trouble recommitting our friends and adversaries to a diplomatic path because they
worry about what comes next, this sort of seesaw of foreign policy makes it really hard for anybody to enter into negotiation with the united states but the sanctions that have been put on iran are serious, they are crippling and they are a mechanism to getting them back to the table so no i think there's still a pathway to get into this agreement. >> senator chris murphy, thank you for your time. that's all in on this tuesday night. rachel meadow chauvet starts right now, good evening rachel. >> it's always thursday somewhere. i think it's actually how that goes. >> i understand my friend, it's a long week already. thank you. and thanks to everyone at home joining us this hour. why would a news day this is been. the biden administration announcing today that the u.s. war and it's gonna stand will finally come to an end. and multiple presidents have tried, even at the george w. bush administration which
started that war. they said by the time george w. bush left office that they were trying to end it and they wanted to bring u.s. troops home from afghanistan even back then. they set targets for withdrawal based on what they hoped to be improvements in conditions on the groundound so the troops didn't come home. president obama wanted to bring the troops home from afghanistan as well. but he famously surged more troops in to improve things on the ground. they hoped to be able to end the u.s. war there, based on improving conditions on the ground. but in the end, surprise. conditions did not improve so they did not come home. president trump, talked about the conflict as if he had ended it, as if he had brought all u.s. troops home from afghanistan. he did not.