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news today about the presidents expected public announcement tomorrow that the war in afghanistan will finally end the u.s. troops will be gone by september 11th of this year. missy, thank you so much for being with us, i really appreciate it. again, and keep in mind that as big of a news that as this, isn't a know that afghanistan and some people particularly afghan war veterans sometimes call it forgot to stand, is something that has stayed off the radar for a long time given that it has been an ongoing u.s. war for 20 years but for american veterans, military families who have served since 9/11, the end of this war is a really big deal and particularly people who have served in that conflict over the past 20 years, it ending in u.s. troops leaving full stop. the only troops that will be left behind is those who protect the embassy. it is something that has been more than long-awaited and it's an historic moment. i'm looking forward to seeing the presidents remarks.
all right that will do it for us for now, see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for the last word lawrence o'donnell. good evening rachel. we don't know exactly what kind of news environment we will be into, nights that we are going to be covering live and this historic speech by the president tomorrow night but we will have to handle both tomorrow night, that's for sure. >> exactly. exactly. thanks lawrence. >> thank you rachel. over one hour away from tonight's curfew in brooklyn center minnesota, last night protesters on the streets there for hours after the 7 pm curfew. they are already on the streets tonight. 40 people were arrested last night. tonight, 2000 national guard troops are in brooklyn center minnesota supporting the small brooklyn center police department, which now has only 47 members after the police chief resigned today and officer kim potter submitted her resignation today two days after she fired one bullet into the chest of 20 year old dante wright who was killed by that gunshot. officer potter is heard on
police body cam video saying taser taser before she fired her gun immediately after firing her gun she seemed to realize that she had fired up bullet instead of her taser. she then said, holy crap, i shot him. those words have appeared as headlines around the country today. her letter of resignation today said that she decided to, quote, it was in the best interest of the community. joining us now from brooklyn center minnesota is nbc news correspondent ron allen. ron, what is the situation there now? >> it's very tense, lawrence. and it's been getting more so by the minute over the past half hour or so. we've heard repeated warnings from the state police telling the demonstrators who have protested out here that this is now become an unlawful assembly and they must disperse. we have seen a constant volley of projectiles going in both directions over the fence there, over the fence over police
headquarters. there are now tonight, unlike last night, a significant national guard presence of what looked like soldiers in combat fatigues. we also see some heavy armored equipment, big trucks. earlier today, we saw a significant number of troops coming and to back up the police here. so far, again, a lot of back and forth. a lot of warnings. the main concern that the police seem to have at this point, one big concern is that there is a fence there where you see those two young linking yellow lights there. there is a fence that guards and blocks a driveway that goes up into the police compound. there is a big armored vehicle there with a long line of police and national guard behind it. it's very aware that the demonstrators have been coming up and shaking the fence and trying to get in or trying to
rattle the police and that is an area of vulnerability. that seems to be what is of concern. as well as the constant stream of projectiles. we see fireworks going up in the air but we also see rocks and bottles, other debris. all going into the compound. earlier today, state police made it clear that yesterday, last night, they felt that they were patient. they described themselves as being shell and they said that they waited as long as they could and they couldn't take it anymore and then they moved out. last night and apparently tonight, they told people to move north which is in that direction, a phalanx of officers came out and started walking this way and that way to clear this area, the street. and that is what we expect is possibly going to happen tonight. the curfew is at ten, not a local time but already they
have declared this an unlawful assembly so we think the process of trying to move in clear this area might happen sooner. now, talking to some of the demonstrators out here, at the protesters there are trying to hold their ground. yes, there are some people who are leaving. we see people walking away to get away. i saw a woman with a young child walking away. there are families out here, there are all kinds of people out here from all different walks of life. i'm at a high school student a little while ago who said that she was going to try to say as long as she could. that gives you some sense of the level of outrage, the level of passion in this community about what has happened. and while an officer resigned today and the chief did as well, that creates some level of satisfaction but they want to see criminal charges. and now you can see the crowd getting restless, stirring even more. i can see now that the police are outside of the compound. they have walked out onto the street and now i would expect that the crowd is starting to coming this way in greater
numbers and we are probably going to have to move back. you could see a big pool of smoke back there, which is probably tear gas. so let's prepare to start moving, because the crowd is moving. let's prepare to start moving backward. watch your step. okay. the crowd is going to come with us here. and i can smell the irritant in the air already. this is sort of the breaking point of this. it's been going on all night and interestingly, the city council here passed a resolution last night. keep going, watch your step. you're on a curb. okay, let's go back. the city council here passed a resolution last night forbidding the police, prohibiting them from using tear gas, rubber bullets, chemical irritants to try and tone this down but apparently that's what's happening tonight again that there are rubber bullets, tear gas into the crowd. the police have become just in the last few minutes very very forceful.
and again, we can see that they are moving out in the street. >> ron there's a city council, the city council's action does not control what the national guard does. does it just control with the brooklyn center police department tactics are? >> it doesn't seem to control much of anything, lawrence. and the leadership of this community is in turmoil. the police chief is out. the city manager is out as of yesterday. a deputy has taken over and the city manager was the one who was more directly involved in control of the police. the mayor is now, back up a little bit, the mayor is now -- there's a car coming. the mayor is the one who has said that the officer who fired the fatal shot at dante wright should have been fired immediately. he has taken a very hard line. he is the one as well who has said that there should not be
fireworks and there should not be tear gas and heavy handed tactics as you would describe perhaps by the authorities. but they are taking a, again, they are out in the street there. you can see that they've taken their position. move to your -- this way because there's a car behind you trying to get out. move that way. there you go, there you go. all right. so now we wait, lawrence. and we see how long this takes. last night, it took a couple of hours before the police moved up about a quarter mile in that direction and cleared out this entire area. there is a big parking lot here behind us. there are a lot of cars that are now trying to get out of the way. there is a strip mall over here. all the buildings, all the retail stores, beauty salon, $1 store, a pizza place, they are all boarded up tight tonight because there was a significant amount of looting that happened here over the past couple of nights but they are all boarded up and completely abandoned at this moment.
you can see the fireworks going up over there. those are just what seemed to be just harmless fireworks. but there are certainly projectiles going in across the street, into the police compound and the police clearly have had enough of this and they have started a very aggressive push to try to clear this out. lawrence. >> ron allen, thank you very much for that report we will come back to you throughout the hour as the news develops there. as ron was saying, brooklyn center city council has taken over, tried to take over the situation there yesterday by firing the city manager and granting control over the police department to mayor mike elliott. >> i'm hoping that this will help bring some calm to the community, although i think ultimately, people want justice. they want full accountability under the law. and so that is what we are going to continue to hope for.
we have to make sure that justice is served, justice is done. >> brooklyn center is a northern suburb of minneapolis, dante wright was killed just ten miles away from where a jury completed the 12th day of listening to testimony of the trial of derek chauvin in the murder of george floyd. one of those jurors lives in brooklyn center and is now living under a curfew this week in the aftermath of another killing by police. today, the family of george floyd stood in solidarity with the family of dante wright. dante wright's mother recounted her phone conversation with dante wright when the police approached his car. >> she was crying and screaming, and she said that they shot him. that she pointed the phone towards the driver's seat and my son was laying there, unresponsive. that was the last time i have seen my son.
that was the last time i heard from my son. and i have had no explanations since then. >> george floyd's brother said this. >> it's a time for change, and that time is now. minneapolis, you are okay you can't sweep this under the rug anymore. we are here and we will fight for justice for this family, just like we're fighting for our brother. >> dante wright's aunt, said this about her nephew. >> my nephew was a lovable young man. his smile, oh lord the most beautiful smile. you'll tuck that. my nephews blood is on your hands. did you will not see my great little nephew? did you will not see that beautiful baby? he is fatherless. not over a mistake, over
murder. >> joining us now, josie duffy rice, president of the appeal covering the criminal justice system. -- professional of >> he's an msnbc political analyst. and josie, let me begin with you and your reaction to the developments in brooklyn center today. >> yeah, i mean i think it's good news right that this officer resigned. i think it's smart that the police chief resigned. i think that we're looking at possible charges. it's an important step in the system we currently have. but i really want to push back on the idea that it's justice, the mayor with all due respect to him, mike elliott, said they are looking for justice. justice is impossible in this case. dante wright is dead and there is no way to bring him back and
when we see situations like this where a person loses their life, by state violence, i am wary of terms like justice because there is no actual way to ensure justice for a family that just senselessly lost their son. their father. their nephew. >> professor jelani cobb, you're out there in the area. what has your day been like there and what are you -- what is your reaction to what we are witnessing tonight? >> well, i've been here since last week and i was here to cover the chauvin trial which is now obviously another story that has emerged in the context of it. when you talk with people, the thing that you heard across different boundaries, different backgrounds, race, etc, was that everyone agreed that there would be violence if chauvin
was acquitted. nobody saw this coming. and on sunday, when i first heard about what happened, i headed out to brooklyn center and would amazed me is that that first night, there were about 400 in front of the police station. something that had just happened a few hours earlier, i thought that it really represented how high the tensions have been in this community and in surrounding communities in the context of this trial. >> and, josie duffy rice, as the trial proceeds, the chauvin trial proceeds with this new case developing at the same time they are obviously it inextricably wed as was presented by the families appearance together today. >> absolutely. i mean, what we know is that we are talking about a history of
police violence in minneapolis and the surrounding area and across the country, right? that is decades old. the fact that, like jelani said, the fact that dante wright was killed just in the middle of this trial is, you know, both a coincidence in some ways and also inevitable because this is the pattern of police violence in this country. and what it tells us is that derek chauvin is on trial and that's important but it also indicates that there is chauvin is far outside the standard deviation of what is acceptable behavior and police departments across the country and i think that is wrong. i think what we see because of what happened to daunte wright, because of what happened to others, what happened to many people not just in minneapolis but across the country, that this is a pattern in policing. that this violence, that this
brutality is a pattern in policing in this country and that it really needs to be eradicated from the ground floor to really address that brought in the progression at large. >> professor cobb, what was the reaction in the area today when the minneapolis star tribune, their big headline this morning was basically quoting the police officer saying, oh, you know, i shot him. that was the headline. the, basically, the accident explanation for how dante wright was shot and killed. >> let me tell you, i've been talking to community members, activists, other people all day and i think that statement really did not sit well. people were very angry to hear that. as a matter of fact, when i first started hearing this yesterday, there was an immediate rejection saying that this was not any kind of accident and trying to understand how someone could
stay a taser for a fire arm, pointing out a person who has 26 years of experience on the force, by no means i think that it's that explanation only exacerbated the tensions of the scene. also i wanted to add one thing, i was at george floyd's square today and that is the area surrounding where mr. floyd died last year. they have converted it into a sitting space called george floyd's square and there, on the street, the spray-painted names of dozens of people who have died at the hands of police. of people who have been victims of police violence. i want specifically to look for one thing and i saw that early this morning, there was in red and black spray-paint, the name of daunte wright on that street.
>> professor jelani cobb and josie duffy rice, thank you both for beginning our discussion of this tonight. we really appreciate it. we're gonna go to cal perry live in brooklyn center, msnbc 's cal perry. cal, what is the situation there now? >> hey lawrence. things have dropped in a lull. i can show you the frontline that ron allen was talking about. the police did come out of the compounds, they did bring at least one armored vehicle outside of the compound. the crowd is really whittled down to a few dozen, maybe 100 people. and again, i'm saying this the last hour. the people who remain seem pretty set on having a confrontation with the police. in the last ten minutes we've seen less throwing a bottles, less response for police. it's sort of a stand off right here where we saw the clashes last night, lawrence. >> what's a we expect to change when the curfew hits at the top of the hour? >> that is definitely something the police are going to have to sort of make a ruling on.
if this crowd stays quiet, it's hard to imagine that they would sort of run through this crowd like they did last night and pause it on a confrontation. you can hear that they are giving these final warnings to the crowd. this is now the warning from the media and we've sort of been sliding back as the crowd slides back. one of the concerns of the police are gonna have, lawrence, is that folks on these trucks, and these vehicles who are in blocking the street and again what happens is these vehicles sort of pull up. there will be the sort of hail of bottles being thrown, police are now moving down the street. but again, as you said lawrence, the curfew coming up at the top of the hour it was three hours earlier last night. i think the hope was not that only the time, the weather, it's been cold and it's been raining will keep people from coming out on the street and it is a smaller crowd tonight. >> cal perry thank you for that
report. will be coming back to you as the hour continues. and today, just ten miles from where those protesters are tonight the defense began presenting its case in the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. and after six witnesses completed their testimony today in the defense of derek chauvin, no real defense of derek chauvin's conduct emerged from that testimony. some of the witnesses called by the defense did not want to help the defense, like george floyd's former girlfriend who was in the bac approached george floyd. she testified that when she ran into george floyd in the store, she said that he was, quote, happy, normal, talking, and alert. some of the witnesses appeared neutral on the witness stand like the retired police officer who was asked to testify about the time he arrested george floyd in 2019. the arrest was shown on police body cam video. it shows george floyd complying with police orders and being handcuffed. that was evidence that in no
way help the defense because it showed how cooperative george floyd could be in that situation. some witnesses clearly wanted to help the defense, like minneapolis police officer peter chang, who was across the street from derek chauvin and the other officers who were crushing george floyd into the pavement and was never part of that action himself and so here is how he tried to help the defense. >> as mr. floyd and the officers were across the street. did you notice any changes in the area? >> yeah. there was a crowd and the crowd was becoming more loud and aggressive. a lot of young across the street. >> aggressive. he said that to a jury who had already seen multiple videos of the small group of bystanders who did not really constitute a crowd and were never aggressive. the witness, who tried to help
the defense the most was a self proclaimed use of force expert from montana, whose policing experience includes service in the united states park police. and the santa rosa police department in california which has less than one third the number of police officers of the minneapolis police department. very broad offers himself as an expert witness for higher in cases like this. he first offered his services to the prosecution in this case but they wisely declined to deal with him. but the defense decided to pay him for testimony like this. >> can you just briefly overview your opinions in this particular case? >> i felt that derek chauvin was justified with acting with objective reasonableness following minneapolis police department policy and current standards of law enforcement in his interactions with mr. floyd. >> a jury has rejected barry broad's testimony in another high profile murder trial of a
police officer. barry broad testified as a hired witness for the defense in the murder trial of chicago police officer jason van dyke for the murder of laquan mcdonald. the jury rejected barry broad's testimony entirely and convicted officer van dyke of first degree murder and aggravated battery and after the jury last week, heard expert medical testimony from dr. martin tobin who said the fact that someone can speak is not proof that they can breathe. barry broad actually said this. >> someone saying they can't breathe, it appears to me they are taking full breaths and they are shouting, to me, the layperson, they can breathe. >> after testifying under oath that derek chauvin did not use deadly force on george floyd even though george floyd died from that force, barry broad
actually denied under oath that any form of force was used against george floyd. the jury didn't really need cross examination to know how false that testimony was, but the prosecution's cross examination did crush every point barry broad was paid to make on the witness stand today. >> what you said is that it was unlikely to produce pain and that's why it wasn't a use of force. you now just said it could produce pain and so regardless of the officer's intent, if this act that we're looking at here in exhibit 17 could produce pain, would you agree that what we're seeing here is a use of force? >> sure, in this picture that could be a use of force. >> turning us now, kirk burkhalter, criminal law professor at new york law school, where he is the director of the 21st century
policing project, also with us marq claxton, director of the black law enforcement alliance. both are former nypd police detectives. and professor burkhalter, what was your reaction to this first day of the presentation of the defense case? >> well lawrence, there weren't really any surprises here for a few reasons. one, we knew the theory of the defense that chauvin was justified. and the other thing we'll see that won't be a surprise is they will find a medical expert who will testify that george floyd did not die from this asphyxiation. so that's not a surprise. the other surprise is not that the amount of compensation you could find someone to testify that day is night and night is day. that is not a surprise at all. what was surprising to a
certain extent was the lack of credibility with regards to the defenses witness. now in all due respect perhaps that is because the prosecutions witnesses, the overwhelming majority were so extremely credible. and i guess the defense possibly just could not locate or find a witness that was willing to testify on their behalf to match the credibility of the prosecutions witness, witnesses. further, the witness just showed the retired police officer the use of force expert and the prosecution was really able to get him to walk back so many statements. when i did find surprising was the kind of don't believe your lying eyes defense so after we've seen this video so many times, we've had so many use of force professionals and the chief of the minneapolis police
department testify to that film and show how derek chauvin's actions were not justified how someone could literally get on the stand and say i saw no problem with the use of force, i use of force that resulted in the death of a man who was handcuffed. so once again i was somewhat surprised that actually get that out without even a smirk or a smile, right? so i don't know how well the jury will buy that. i think the overwhelming weight of the evidence is in favor of the prosecution but ice expect that we will continue to see these types of witnesses over the course of the week. >> mark clarkson, your reaction to this first day of the defense case. i actually found myself wincing as i listen to the defense expert witnesses. there were so many in consistencies and things that came up in their perspectives
were clearly slanted and quite subjective, and not based on science and really it exposed to ways. one is how the prosecutors and their expert witnesses in abundance really said people was overkill but then you realize just how important it was for many of those witnesses to go ahead and testify because their testimony as clear and concise, you had expert witnesses who were directly involved with training who actually went to conduct the training, training protocols. who dealt with the use of force. whose credentials were beyond question. and then for us today, to have these witnesses come up with the hypothetical, once again hypothetical conclusions and opinions was really glaring,
and i found myself wincing and finding it difficult to make my way through even though it was short, and i was thinking god for that. >> let's listen to more of mr. broad, the so-called expert in police practices and police training and this is where he actually used the phrase, resting comfortably to describe the position george floyd was in being crushed face down onto the pavement. let's listen to this. >> a compliant person would have both of their hands in the small of their back and resting comfortably verses he still moving around. >> did you say resting comfortably? >> or laying comfortably. >> resting comfortably on the pavement? >> at this point of time when he's attempting to breathe by shoving his shoulder into the pavement. >> i was describing what a perfectly compliant person would be. so attempting to breathe, while restrained is being slightly noncompliant?
no. >> professor walter that's the kind of moment you are talking about, where the defense witness that ends up complying with the prosecution cross-examination if we can refer to it that way. >> absolutely. the prosecution on cross, there i think was very effective, because he capitalized, or rather jumped on what this witness stated, resting comfortably? you can't let that pass by. he didn't get excited about it, but he was able to follow up the questions. and yet the witness didn't really think about what he was saying. in this is quite a contrast to what we saw last week. witnesses were prepared and thoughtful about the responses. and as a matter of fact the defense was unable in most cases, to get them to walk back their responses. it's a quality of the witness,
the defense had. some of the statements were somewhat laughable. mark touched on a very important point, there were many who stated that perhaps the prosecutions case last week was overkill. however the prosecution had two things to accomplish, one was to present their case. into to present a preemptive strike, to be able to rebut these types of arguments that were going to be made by the defense. and that's why we saw so many witnesses. and finally knowing that they had credible witnesses, they gave the jury an opportunity to see will and credible witness looks like and what a witness looks like that is less credible. >> mark, we learn in court the other day that one of the jurors who lives in brooklyn center. this area that we are sharing the screen with tonight during this discussion. with the protests that are going on there. and that juror is now living under the curfew that's in place there now. now that curfew has moved, basically to cover the whole region of minneapolis, st.
paul. so possibly most of the jurors now are living under a curfew tonight. for a case involving police use of deadly force. which in the public evidence available in their community right now, says was an accident, a mistake made by the police officer. how do you expect that to impact the jury, hearing this case? >> i'm sure there will be some impact, but i think if we deal with honestly, these demonstrations that have occurred over the last couple of days, are an extension of the same issue and same problem that we find ourselves trying to confront, during the course of this trial. of former officer chauvin. same element. same concerns. same nature of anger and frustration. so, if this is the reality, that citizens have to live in, where the citizen has to get on
the street and demonstrate, and express their frustrations, at a government that's not paying attention not listening or perhaps placing them in additional harm's way, that's just the reality of it. you have to be able to function accordingly. as a juror, we have certain responsibilities. we should have settled up all these issues in their ability to remain objective and fair minded. that's primarily it. but you cannot be removed from society in all the issues and problems that really are going, on especially outside your front door. >> mark lacks didn't kurt berke alter, thank you for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. >> and we're going to squeeze in a break here, today dante's rights aunts describe the connection between her family and george floyd's family. we will continue our live coverage of the situation there. i'm in brooklyn center tonight, brooklyn center minnesota. we are going to squeeze in a break now, we will be back right after this.
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joined in mourning and protest by george floyd's family today. dante writes on said this. >> i wear this shirt, in the craziest thing is to find out today that my family has connections, to this man's, to this family. his girlfriend was a teacher for my nephew. >> joining us now is eugene robins, he's now msnbc political analyst and -- msnbc law enforcement analyst. and chief best, let me begin with you tonight, and your reaction to what you are seeing, in brooklyn center minnesota tonight. >> well lawrence, not surprisingly another night of
civic unrest. we have people protesting in demonstrating, in regards to what can only be called a horrible and tragic day. today, and actually the day before as well. so right now, a lot of folks it sounds like are still out, officers outs. the national guard is there, i've lived through these moments myself in seattle last, year right after the murder of george floyd. and certainly i understand the anger and thanked, of crowds, as they come out to protest what happened. it sounds like they have a curfew, a few people are left, and we are not sure how many will stick around. but there will be those who will stick it out and will not want to go, away in who will want to continue to demonstrate, their anxiety, anxious and anger at what has occurred. hopefully, they will be able to
do so peacefully. it's unrealistic to move large groups of people after curfew. they tend to settle some people down who want to follow the rules. so they will leave. we will see how the night fares out but it sounds like it's coming down a little bit. >> jeanne robinson, the brooklyn center, went from hanging on every word of the derek chauvin trial, to both continuing to follow that, and as they participate in this new tragedy that has occurred in their community. >> it's all the same tragedy. it's all the same thing really. it's the way, it's the way black communities, in particular are policed in this country. it's a crisis in policing in this country. it's police departments see policing is something you do to
a community rather than with a community. and that, that's fundamental, in that fundamentally has to change. that's what this whole past year has been about. and how ironic, and how tragic, that in the middle of the trial, of derek chauvin for murdering george floyd, we have ten miles away, this bitter illustration of the fact that things have not changed. and that there is still so much work to do. so much that has to be done. >> jeanne robinson in carmen, best thank you for joining our discussion on this difficult night. we really appreciate your contribution. and when we come back, six years after michael brown, and unarmed black teenager was shot, six times and killed by a police officer in the st. louis suburb of fergus and missouri,
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tonight, of the situation in brooklyn center minnesota. where on sunday afternoon a 20 armed unarmed black man, dante wright was shot and killed by police officer kim potter. just ten miles from where former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin is on trial for the murder of george floyd. in 2014, several nights of protests like this, occurred in ferguson missouri, after an unarmed black teenager, michael brown, was shot six times by police officer darren wilson. who watched michael brown die, from those gunshot wounds. in the street. local district attorney's presentation of evidence to a grand jury there, resulted in no criminal charges in the
police killing of michael brown. ferguson is a suburb of st. louis. which last week elected its cities first black woman mayor. she will take the oath of office as mayor of st. louis on april 20th. in joining us now is to charge owns, mayor elect of st. louis missouri. thank you so much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. this is a night where we are seeing your sharing a screen with the kinds of stresses, that cities are facing across this country. because of the way police officers have been using deadly force. what is your reaction to this situation in brooklyn center tonight, in the minneapolis area generally? and how they are trying to maintain the peace, with the combination of a curfew, and a very large police presence there? >> lawrence thank you for having, me it's an honor to be
here with you this evening. first and foremost, my condolences to the family of dante wright. and as a mother of a black son, i know all too often how fearful mothers can be when their sons leave the house. my son and i had the top one too many times, too many times for me to remember. and to watch this energy in brooklyn center minnesota, reminds me of ferguson. and i know that many of my friends who were frontline protesters, are having some dramatic experiences watching this play over and over again. and it's bringing back memories of the times that they spent on the streets of ferguson. >> i believe your son aiden is 13 years old. how old was he when you first had your talk with him? >> he was about six or seven. because he goes to school in an all white suburb. and i had to remind him that
tom, that these things can happen. if a police officer pulls you, over and he told me in about ten, when he was walking with some friends in their neighborhood. that they were stopped, and asked questions by police, in unfortunately they continued to. go but that was his first memory of feeling afraid. when a police officer approached him. >> what is it mean and what do you hope it will mean to policing in st. louis, now that you will be the city's first black woman mayor? >> well one of the things i said during my campaign, is that we cannot reform our way out of this. we have to transform our public safety systems. and one of the things that hit me like a ton of bricks, is again through another top i had with my, son is that when he found out that i was running for mayor, in what the mayor does, and how the mayor is over
the police, he said will that means that i'll be safe. and how many children does that happen to where their mother becomes the mayor and then all the sudden they feel safe. that's a one and 1 million chance. in his mother shouldn't have to become mayor in order for him to feel safe. when he encounters along enforcement. >> some what helped do you think mayors need around this country, especially direction from washington, and how to improve policing? >> i think that president biden is heading in the right direction, with some of the things that he's trying to do, with the executive orders. our gun laws are really out of control. let me be clear, i do support responsible gun ownership, but america has seemed to take it to another level. you don't need an ar-15 to hundred year. and so, we have to, we have to make sure that our gun laws are responsible and it takes away from the people who don't need to own them.
we are experiencing, it seems like every week that we see a new mass shooting, on our television's. and unfortunately, we have developed a callous that we should not. as a response to watching people lose their lives at the hands of gun violence. >> we are just minutes away from the curfew officially going into place in minneapolis. the whole minneapolis area including brooklyn center which was the first to have a curfew. you saw fergus and missouri living under a curfew for quite awhile during those protests. and the police response to those protests there. have we learned anything in the last five years, about how cities and police departments can handle these protests? >> obviously not because st. louis city has experienced its own form of violating peoples first amendment rights, during protests.
we are just weeks away from a verdict, where an off-duty police officer was beaten by his colleagues, during a protester in 2017 in st. louis. so we have to again get away from this old and tired arrested incarcerate model, to one that leads with prevention. because that is the only thing that is going to keep us from having these situations over and over again. >> st. louis mayor elect to charge owns. thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> we are going to squeeze in a break here, when we come back we will have more live coverage from the street them in brooklyn center minnesota, the curfew will be in place officially at the top of this hour. we will be right back. i'm hour we will be right back. we will be right back. i' ♪♪ ♪♪ comfort in the extreme. ♪♪
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joined that tempe am curfew tonight. after protest in brooklyn center last night continued for hours after the curfew of 7 pm. joining us now is nbc news digital national reporter, diane hampton, in brooklyn center minnesota. dion, what is the situation there now is the curfew approaches? >> it's a little bit different than what you are thinking about, because actually the curfew went into effect at 8:00, but nobody here on the ground found out until 9:00. so here we have it way past the curfew, in a couple of hours ago large crowds had dissipated to about 150 people, who were i don't know if you can pan this a little bit, but a lot of people have congregated toward the gas station to the left of me. and then also to the rate of me. it's like an abandoned gas station. and a lot of people have congregated their. but there's one thing i should note. the protesters here, the ones
that are left, are very relentless. and they are unmoved. that doesn't tell the whole picture about what's happened tonight. about an hour ago, we went down to 500 people. so 500 demonstrators, but the crowds were mixed. on one end, you had a lot of protesters who were provoking the police department here. but on the other side, about 75 yards away, where the completely different separate type of crowd. where people were holding hands, people were on their knees saying no justice no peace. but peaceful protesting. and actually telling the unruly protesters to cut it out. so, depends on which part are side of the police station you are on, you saw a good crowd, or you saw a bad crowd. what we have now is the police officers knowing we are way past curfew, they have pushed the media and the residents and the demonstrators about four or five blocks away from the
police station. which is where we are now. they are threatening the demonstrators with the rest at this point. and also telling the media, that we also need to leave the scene as well. >> dion, what do you expect to happen, in the next stage of this. are the police likely to make a move, to take more control? >> yes. they continue to push people back, at some point they're just going to start to arresting people. they have given them a lot of legal space. they've given them a lot of time to adhered their grievances. at one point, they are going to say listen, we give you a couple of hours, now we're just going to take you to jail. >> diane i have to thank you for that live report from brooklyn center minnesota. we really appreciate. it msnbc's breaking news coverage continues now with the 11th hour with brian williams. that's right now. and indeed good evening once
again. well this happens to be day 84 of the biden administration, we begin yet again this evening in brooklyn center minnesota. just north of minneapolis. where it is now 10 pm local time, and that curfew has just gone into effect. protesters remain on the streets however, for a third, night as anger and outrage or growing after the deadly police shooting of 20 year old dante wright, right was shot and killed on sunday. when police pulled his car over and tried to arrest him on an outstanding misdemeanor warrant. kim potter, the 26 year veteran officer, who fired that single fatal shot, has resigned. as has brooklyn center police chief tim gannon. he called the shooting accidental after viewing potter's body cam video. which he said indicates she thought she was deploying a taser. and instead, fired one shot with her highly lethal and vastly different 9 mm service