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translated here. >> reporter: but obviously the biden administration wants to try to solve this problem. they're talking about committing more resources to guatemala but there's major concern that the resources will be squandered like so many other rounds of american assistance and dollars spent here, completely not going to the guatemalan people, not able to provide basic services, only ending up in the corrupt system that allowed it to continue for so many years, ari. >> all important points, a big interview. ayman mohyeldin. thank you. we're out of time. the reid out with joy reid starts now. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with a crisis in american policing. communities in minnesota are again in anguish, mourning the life of another black life taken by law enforcement. this time it is daunte wright, just 20 years old, who was shot
and killed during a traffic stop after a minnesota police officer shouted taser but fired her handgun instead. at this hour, we are monitoring a vigil for mr. wright at the site his car crashed after he was shot. after minnesota's governor announced a curfew for counties surrounding minneapolis, beginning at the top of the hour. also, shocking new video emerged of a second lieutenant in the u.s. army medical corp who is black and latino held at gunpoint by two police officers during a traffic stop in december. he was pepper sprayed and threatened by an officer. both incidents are happening against the backdrop of day 11 in the murder trial of a former minneapolis police officer, derek chauvin. the prosecution is expected to officially rest its case tomorrow after presenting nearly 40 witnesses, including today a cardiologist and law professor that specializes in use of force, as well as one of the people that knew george floyd the best, his brother.
>> george, he would always be on our mom, big momma's boy. i cry a lot, but george, he loved his mom. being around him, he showed us like how to treat our mom, how to respect our mom. he just loved her so dearly. he just was like a person that everybody loved. >> today, they portrayed george floyd as a living person, a factor sometimes lost in the legal analysis, calls for reform, the tapes we are forced to endure again and again. the fact black men women and
children were once people, that george floyd was alive until he wasn't. the defense for derek chauvin, the ex-police officer that killed george floyd, begins tomorrow. joining me, gabe gutierrez. you were inside the courtroom for part of the testimony today. can you give us a sense, i know it is hard to tell obviously what the color was, was the jury attentive, in your view, what was the vibe inside the courtroom. >> reporter: yeah, joy. today was very dry medical testimony, at least at the beginning of the day. from what i saw, many of the jurors were very attentive, they were taking notes, even during some of the portions that were drier than the emotional testimony we had seen previously. now joy, to give you an idea, you have to go through heavy security here at the courthouse. there are very few pool reporters that get to go in each day. i went in this morning, was actually there for the motions hearing before the testimony as
well, and joy, that's when chauvin's defense attorney actually made a motion to try to sequester the jury because of events unfolding ten miles from here. the judge denied that motion. then the testimony started. you mention the first cardiologist. then in the afternoon, philonise floyd. between breaks, i spoke with him. he said he woke up at 1:00 in the morning when he got a phone call. hadn't been able to sleep. he had been up since 1:00 in the morning and hadn't actually heard about the other police shooting in minneapolis until later in the morning. he said he had been looking forward to giving his testimony and broke down in tears a bit when speaking about his mother and george floyd's mother. i spoke with him a few moments ago actually when he was walking out of court with the rest of the family and the family attorney, ben crump, he said it was an extremely, extremely
emotional day. >> one other quick question for you. there has been a question of whether or not derek chauvin had anyone sitting on his side as obviously george floyd's side had at least somebody in court. was anyone sitting on that side? >> reporter: yeah, there was. there wasn't at the beginning of the day during the motions hearing but it is a woman, we don't know who it is though. she didn't make herself available for interview. she and the defense team with derek chauvin rushed out during the break, you couldn't ask who she was. from what i am told, the same woman that had been there last week and again, she was described i think to one reporter as a family friend, but it is unclear who she is. joy, remember at the beginning of the trial, there was no one in that chair. a bit of a strange setup where you have one chair designated for the derek chauvin support or family member and then you have a few feet away the chair
designated for the floyd family. in between, there's a chair for a deputy who stays there but no interaction between the two. joy? >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. appreciate the reporting. thank you. joining me, reverend al sharpton, civil rights leader that delivered a eulogy at george floyd's funeral. and glenn kirschner, legal analyst and former prosecutor. rev, i am glad you're here. you deal with this unfortunately far too often, having to be there for the families when they lost someone and are thrust into the spotlight. obviously you delivered the eulogy for george floyd at his funeral as you have done for so many others. can you talk about that perspective? first of all, what did you make of watchin philonise.
>> we talk just about every day, he was asking me what did i think he should be thinking about. i said think about your brother. i don't want to tell you how to testify. just think about your brother, relax and tell the truth. then about early this morning, he called me, said he has been up all night, got a call at 1:00 in the morning, couldn't go back to sleep. to show you the kind of person and he is in the family, called me an hour before his testimony and said all right, rev, lead us in prayer, turned on the speaker and brothers and nephew and brother rudy got around the phone. we had prayer. we have been doing that many mornings that i wasn't there. from there we do it in person. this family praise every day for strength to go through this because i think people don't realize, to me it is an issue. i had the action network, we fight civil rights issues. to people in media, it is a story. this is their brother, this is their uncle, their cousin. they watched him grow up.
to have to watch over and over again the video of him narrating his own death, the autopsy, was very traumatic for them. they did not ask to be thrust in the spotlight. i think they adjusted because they want justice for what happened to their brother. other than that, they would not choose this life at all. they would much rather have their brother with them. >> absolutely. i remember trayvon martin's dad calling it the worst fraternity you never wanted to join, suddenly you're bonded to other families that lost people. nobody wants this. suddenly you have to be a public person. i can't imagine going through it. glen, then you had the defense today try to use what happened to daunte wright to their advantage, which was sort of shocking to me that they try to do a motion to take advantage of the opportunity, the psychic pain the community was in yet again for another shooting to get a favorable ruling on their
side. what did you make of that and of the closing that the prosecution put forward today? >> so joy, not to be overly critical of the defense attorney, i felt like he was making that motion knowing full well it would be denied by the court but preserving it as an appellate issue. every single motion that is denied by the judge you can bet in the event of conviction we're going to see it raised as an appellate issue. it will fail as an appellate issue primarily because jurors are presumed to follow the instructions of judges and when judges say do not listen to outside media accounts and if you inadvertently come into contact with some, tell me and then you have to assure me you can put it out of your mind and continue to decide the case based only on the evidence you hear during the trial so it doesn't surprise me that the defense makes what i view as
some frivolous motions, regarding the case the prosecution was finishing up today, it got more and more powerful because now you have expert witnesses that are not only forensic pathologists, medical examiners, we saw a powerful pulmonologist in dr. tobin. today we saw a cardiologist, guy that specializes in heart transplants, and they all say the same thing, which is that cardiopulmonary from low oxygen from police restraint and it is asphyxiation. there's no getting around that. i look forward to seeing how the defense can attack those findings in their case. >> this was use of force expert, seth stawton, arguing continued use of force was not reasonable. take a listen. >> it is clear from the number of officers and mr. floyd's position, that he is handcuffed,
has been searched, he doesn't present threat of harm. his actions don't present that he is a threat of escape, someone that doesn't have a pulse does not present a threat in any way. >> next week, to stay with you a second, glen, the defense will try to argue that george floyd killed himself, that he had drugs in his system, had a heart attack, basically his own body killed him. there's a great piece written in "rolling stone" this weekend that makes the point that the defense has tried pretty much every kind of racial and health stereotype of black man. they tried every one of them. he is superman, super filled with drugs, going to jump up and raise from the dead and kill the officers. i thought what was effective is the prosecution keeps showing the officers, they look casual, calm, don't look stressed out, they said they were terrified of the crowd, they don't look terrified. i wonder if you can give an idea
what on earth he can possibly try to argue. >> let me preview where the defense is going. they'll call an expert, david fowler, former chief medical examiner for state of maryland nearly two decades. i put dr. fowler on the stand as my expert witness in murder cases in washington, d.c. he is a very accomplished forensic pathologist and strong testifying witness. here's what he is going to do. he is going to say you know what, dr. baker is the only one that performed the autopsy, put hands on the body, so he is really the only opinion you should credit, and the interesting part about dr. baker's testimony, he is the only one that didn't say this was asphyxiation or result of low level of oxygen. he was more general in his description of the cause of death. he left a little bit of wiggle room. so dr. fowler and the defense team will try to peel off all of the other experts and try to say you know what, the drugs, the
heart disease, the adrenaline surge played a part, and we can't apportion it out. they'll try to sew confusion. i think they're going to fail. >> before we go, rev, what is daunte wright's family in for? now they're facing the same hell that george floyd's family is. >> i talked to daunte wright's father today and prayed with him. the action network will work with them. they're in for a real different kind of life now. they're going to have to bury a 20-year-old son who the police are saying well, it was a mistake, and the community is saying these mistakes keep happening and they only happen on one side of town. you have to remember, joy, that in this period of time, in the last few hours, we have seen a 20-year-old kid killed because they say the tags on the back of the car expired in a pandemic. we have seen a lieutenant in the army, in army fatigues, film of
him being pepper sprayed and we see george floyd and the reason he was even arrested, let alone killed, they thought he bought a pack of cigarettes with a counter fit $20 bill. you wonder why we say we need the country to understand black lives matter, you can go and die for having expired tags or for a phony $20 bill you may not know was a phony $20 bill. it wouldn't happen in any other community. >> amen. we could go on and on, playing with a toy gun, it is for nothing. there's usually impunity. it is infuriating. always great to talk to you. thank you both. up next on the reid out. policing, let's be honest, it is broken at every level in america. now we're told the latest killing of a black man by police in minnesota as we discussed was an accident.
seriously, when you reach in your bag, pull out your car keys, there's an accident. we'll discuss the whoopsy defense. and clearly defense training is not the solution. we talk about what real reform looks like. stockholm syndrome in the gop. the party is hijacked by a drifter, takes all their money. what they don't have the guts to extricate from the maga cult. a man that's so toxic can't get a meeting with his dear leader. reidout continues after this. ues we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. ♪ ♪ are you ready to join the duers? those who du more with less asthma.
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the minneapolis area beginning the top of the hour. 20-year-old daunte wright was shot and killed sunday after police say he was stopped for that minor traffic violation and found to have that outstanding warrant. the police chief today said he believes the officer described as senior member of the force reached for her taser but somehow managed to fire a handgun instead. >> for informational purposes, we tranld with handguns on our dominant side and taser on our weak side. this is done purpose fully and it is trained. as i watched the video, listen to the officer's commands, it is my belief the officer had intention to deploy their taser, instead shot mr. wright with a single bullet. this appears to me from what i viewed and the officer's reaction and distress immediately after, this was an accidental discharge. >> the police officer released body camera footage.
it is traffic. >> an autopsy report out tonight ruled the matter of wright's death was homicide. the officer is placed on administrative leave. last night, large crowds massed in front of the police department in response. police fired rubber bullets and chemical agents at protesters. police said some had thrown rocks and water bottles at officers. sports teams postponed games. as minneapolis reels over another tragic death of a black man at the hands of police, there's another incident in virginia. footage from december was released over the weekend showing active duty army officer second lieutenant caron nazario in uniform, no less, pulled over in windsor, virginia, with guns drawn and pepper sprayed.
>> get out of the car. >> what's going on? >> get out of the car now. >> what's going on? >> what's going on, you received an order. obey it. >> i am honestly afraid to get out. >> you should be. get out. >> whoa, hold on, hold on. >> get out of the car, get on the ground now or you'll get it again. take your seat belt off and get out of the car. >> the officer pepper sprayed, pointed a gun at lieutenant nazario, heard making the ride the lightning threat has been fired. the lieutenant was not charged with anything. he filed a lawsuit.
it says they threatened to destroy his military career if he complained about the incident. body camera footage after first responders arrived, one of the officers questioned why the lieutenant hadn't complied with the officer's commands. >> mr. nazario, look, you want to stop in a well lit area, you're nervous. >> yes. >> blm movement, you're nervous. they feel the same way, they're nervous for their jobs and their lives. i get where you're coming from, they get where you're coming from. let's let this pepper spray wear off and stuff and then have an intelligent conversation then. >> wow. joining me, the state's
attorney. charles booker, former kentucky state representative, cedric alexander, former chief of police in rochester, new york
and dekalb, georgia and former task force member for president obama. let me read, the town of windsor, virginia's statement on the traffic stop. the investigation began immediately. at the conclusion it was termed the windsor police department policy was not followed. this resulted in disciplinary action of department wide requirements for additional training were implemented beginning of january. it notes that the officer was terminated. it is hard to even know where to begin here. i'm going with you, chief alexander. i don't know how you strain -- train people to be not authoritarian and not aggressive. this is not a training problem. this isn't a problem with training, strikes me as a problem hiring people that don't have maturity to be police. >> both incidents is not
a training issue, but let's take the incident with the army lieutenant to begin with. that whole scenario, that idea
that was a felony stop, that was not a felony stop. he called it in as that but that was a lie. when he approached the vehicle the way he did, he used no tactical advantage, if that truly had been a felony stop. how can you get a felony stop out of a tag that is not displayed somewhere police can see it. that's not a felony stop. so there's everything that's wrong. he was belittled, the officer was, disrespectful, gave no consideration to the fact that he served his country. but basically and more importantly than any of that, joy, they didn't even treat him like a decent human being. that's what's hard. and when you ask the american public, black or white, blue or gray, to find decency in that, nobody that's got a conscience about themselves can find any decency. it is embarrassing to me as a 40 year veteran. i'm not going to excuse it, try
to rationalize it, it was wrong. poor policing, poor selection of personnel. that entire city government, all of the elected officials in that virginia town need to be held responsible for hiring characters and individuals that conduct themselves that way, not just officers. >> very quickly, do police officers get trained on the difference between a taser and glock? to me, they don't seem all that similar. >> absolutely they do. i don't know what happened in this particular case in minnesota but it is very, very strange. if she was confused, she's going to have to be able to articulate that to people other than ourselves but that is very tragic beyond belief. i don't know what was going through her head but it is very hard in this climate or any other climate to get people to resonate with an understanding how you go from not being able
to identify a yellow taser to a steel black glock is very difficult for people to understand that, not just in this climate we're in but in general. >> you have to rack a gun. carry bullet in the chamber, can't tell the service weapon from a taser? not sure you should be a cop. learn onto attorney moseby. the thing that's similar in so many of these cases, the reason for the stop is minor. it is the freddie gray case which you bravely because it wasn't very popular with a lot of law enforcement prosecuted those officers. you think about all of the issues are something that's relatively minor. there was an air freshener in the back of daunte wright's car, pull him over for that minor
thing, then run him for priers to see if they have something else on him to get a bigger crime going. the stop over a paper license tag in the back of the lieutenant's truck. he just bought the car. is the issue, i know you're doing something about that in baltimore city, that there are too many stops over nothing, and police are getting too involved in that? >> you're absolutely right, joy. i think that we in this country have to start to reimagine what policing and public safety looks like because for black people in this country these low level offenses, this needless interaction with law enforcement can lead to a death sentence for black people. and as you've already indicated, it is making contact in a high crime neighborhood. sandra bland failed to put on a turn signal, george floyd alleged to have passed a $20 bill during a global pandemic for groceries. yes, we as an expectation, we
relied on police to respond to every social ill of society, whether that's mental health, whether it is substance use disorder. it is time to reevaluate that. more importantly, joy, it is the culture of violent policing that has existed for black people in this country that will continue to exist until there's recognition that there's a problem. it is not until we have iphones and social media and body worn cameras that america would believe a police officer would have the gall to put his knee on a neck that's handcuffed for nine minutes and 29 seconds. america hasn't wanted to believe a black lieutenant can be subjected to overly dominant policing and brutality inflicted on black people every day in this country. >> charles, the gall of trying to get this lieutenant to, you know, let it go, because they're still afraid of black lives matter, the police. blaming black lives matter for
the fact that police are brutal and cruel and saying you're going to ride the lightning, that's because they're afraid of black lives matter. your thoughts. you were quite involved in the breonna taylor black lives matter movement. >> joy, thank you for having me. your point is absolutely right. i think this highlights a reality that if you look like me, you're going to be seen as a daily weapon before being seen as a human being, and we are traumatized, terrorized, and then told to let it go. when will this stop? for us here in kentucky, it was breonna taylor's door busted in, david mack a tee, the barbeque man. hash tag after hash tag of our loved ones. it does speak to the fact we are not treated as human beings and criminalized because of the color of skin, how much or how little money is in their pocket, excusing it away instead of doing something about it.
now is the time to say enough. that's why i stood up in my own right to say i have come from that struggle. i had a firearm pulled out on me for a rolling stop. thankfully i'm still here, but a lot of our loved ones aren't and it won't change unless we determine that structural racism is at the heart of it and that we want this inequity to go away. i want to commend the attorney for speaking up, we are criminalizing our communities and that's hurting our future. i want to lift up the work we're doing in kentucky to say no knock warrants need to be in place. we need to uplift the humanity of people, that includes in every office, includes the united states senate, which i am excited to talk to you about. >> absolutely. we're coming to that shortly. cedric alexander, the sort of idea, it does feel in some ways
as if internally the police are told it is you against them, it is you against the public, the public are the enemy, every person you run across is a threat, especially as we heard from charles booker if the person is black, assume they're threatening. police officer, it is a dangerous job in some senses but there were 48 firearm related fatalities in 2020, according to national law enforcement officer memorial fund, each of them tragic to their families. 264 fatalities and leading cause was covid. covid is much more dangerous because officers are confronting people, getting close to them in a lot of cases. 145 officers died from covid, right, versus 48 from firearms. 1021 people were shot and killed by on duty officers in 2020. almost none of them will go to
prison. police officers prosecuted in murder in less than 2% of fatal shootings. 2%. it almost never happens. so what is happening within the communication between police, the unions, et cetera, and police. are police being essentially sort of ramped up against the public as if the public are a threat by default? >> there's a historical context we can go back to from inception of policing. i don't have to reiterate that. everybody knows what it is. we know how policing stood up in this country and what it has traditionally been, even in the changes and differences we tried to make over the years, we're still somewhat in the same place. any death is tragic. i had to bury police officers being a chief. i had to talk to families of police officers who were involved in a shooting and killed a family member. it is tough. either way it goes, it is horrible. we don't want to lose any lives. but to your question, to your
question specifically, policing is broken in this country and we have to find a way to fix it because every time we have an incident like this to occur, it is not based on what the police think happens as you heard that chief try to rationalize what happened, it was accidental. maybe it was, but that's not a conclusion to draw this early in the investigation. you need to leave that up to the investigators because it sounds defensive and it is not working for policing. but at the same time, it becomes very apparent to me, you understand the difficulties men and women have to do to serve and protect, there are thousands of good police officers, but those who are right here offending the badge who feel they're above the law who cannot and do not want to connect with communities of color, regardless where they are, they don't have a place in this profession, in people like ourselves, even myself, we have to speak out
against it because the good officers want better and it puts them in a precarious situation they don't want to be in. i'm here to protect the good officers, not those that take it on themselves to treat people like trash. >> and it is as i said, there's a conflict, right, between what a lot of people want. look, there are a lot of people that want the movements of black bodies to be policed and monitored, they want enforcement of lower level drug crimes, even though silicon valley boys are selling weed, it is popular for them to do it. if they know weed is sold in baltimore, they want those people prosecuted, right? when you went out and said not going to do that any more, what was the reaction. i know there are some people concerned that this will at least -- if you don't police minor crimes, there will be an explosion of crime. >> one of the things i recognize as a prosecutor, my ability to shape the criminal justice
system, recognizing as i stated that low level offenses for black people can lead to a death sentence. what i came out and did was as a result of the covid policies, global pandemic. i consulted with public health experts and we moved to depopulate jails and prisons and we had an experiment. for over a year we basically came out and said we're not going to prosecute low level offenses, drug possession, trespassing, urinating in public, open container, low level offenses that have nothing to do with public safety. what we found through data, we eliminated 1400 warrants, dismissed 1400 cases. based on data, i am happy to say what we were able to do was to showcase the drug arrests went down by 80%. the number of individuals going in and out of the jails went down by 39%. the recidivism rate, only 5 of
the 1500 individuals resid aggrevated and violent crime, unlike 63 of 66 major municipalities, violent crime went down 20% and property crime down 39%. what we saw a spike was nonfatal shootings and homicides. what i said, declining crime wasn't attributable to my policies, it was attributable to leadership and stability in the police department. what that suggests to me is low level offenses, our crime didn't go up, low level offenses never had anything to do with public safety, so we made those policies permanent going forward. >> that is a good thing. i think less interaction for minor crimes would produce less death. there's something wrong with policing where people are killing black folks, people of color more. president biden issued a tweet saying tonight i am thinking of
daunte wright and his family and pain, anger, trauma black america experiences every day. while we await full investigation, we want to know what to do moving forward, rebuild trust as no one is above the law. let me play katie wright on a phone call. she gave him the car he was driving that he was pulled over in. in >> he said get out of the car, daunte said why. he said i will explain when you get out of the car. a minute later, his girlfriend answered and said he was shot. >> a mother shouldn't have to do that. here we have another, it is happening again. i understand that you are considering trying to, already a public official, elected
official, maybe seeing if there's more you can do. tell me about your plans. >> well, you know, i listened to the account of what happened. all i could think about is my heartbreaking for daunte. his son, his little man, is going to turn two around the same time i am bringing another baby into the world, my wife and i are bringing a daughter, her name will be justice because of the fight we have before us. when we think about struggles we're facing and the fact that these challenges are not only real, they're structural and generational, and that we need healing now, and we have to come together across racial divides and geographic divides and partisan divides to acknowledge this is a fight for our future, i am committed to that here in kentucky. that is why today i announce
exploratory committee to remove rand paul to have leaders in every level of government that give a damn about our lives and will fight for us, not against us. we all deserve a chance to pursue our dreams and surpass them and live gainful lives, to be okay in our cars with air freshener in the window, be okay at home at night as we drift to sleep, know we don't have to decide between putting food on the table or affording our insulin. we can do deeper work to heal and speak to the changes we need. that's what i want to do by example. committing my life to this work. i believe kentucky is ready for change, just like this country is. i am going to do my part in it. >> we wish you luck. please keep us up to date on that run. we know the person you'll be running against said i believe you would have opposed the civil rights act, that would be a change of direction for kentucky if they change direction
politically. marilyn, congrats what you're doing. i think it is important that public officials like those that have power use it for the good that you are doing. charles booker, doing the same. cedric alexander, thank you for speaking to us with truth. appreciate all three of you. republican leaders' reaction to the infrastructure plan. infn allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good
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bipartisan cooperation before the meeting even took place. >> this infrastructure bill is a debacle and democrats want to ram it through without any cooperation with republicans, without any discussion, without any compromise. it will decimate our country, it will do nothing to do with infrastructure. it is just a grab bag for democrats. >> i see. it is emblematic of the problem that former house speaker john boehner described. today's republican party is more interested in making noise than passing bills. >> i'm a republican actually, i'm a conservative republican, but i'm not crazy and then they've got, i don't know, these noisemakers i'll call them. ted cruz, jim jordan, i could go down a long list of people more interested in making noise than they are in doing things on behalf of the country. sometimes i get the idea they'd rather tear the whole system down and start over. i've never seen anything they're for. i though what they're against, but i've never really seen what
they're for. >> case in point, now former president who is still trolling the country and his party from the comfort of his florida resort. speech of the weekend to the rnc was short on policy proposals, long on personal grievance. according to "the washington post," he trashed mitch mcconnell as a dumb sob. bad mouthed dr. anthony fauci is full of crap, and complained that former vice president mike pence did not try to overturn the 2020 election, saying i was so disappointed. trump is still spreading lies that led to the insurrection. it comes from a timeline of that day that lays bare inaction by president trump and how the void contributed to slowed response, specifically notes mike pence had to order the military to clear the capitol because trump was missing in action. none of that seems to matter in the gop as they chart their course for the future, even though republican donors panned the weekend speech as horrible.
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the election has become foundational to the republican party. trump sycophants and republican legislators have introduced 400 restrictive voting lies, predicated on the lie, with this delusional fantasy that trump would have won the election if it weren't those fake voters in black precincts. just take a look at georgia governor brian kemp defending his state's new oppressive voting law. >> a lot has been made specifically about serving water at polling centers, first of all, which i think is ridiculous. polling centers can serve water, they can have refreshments in the polling centers. people can bring their own water, their own food. that's accurate, right? >> they can order a pizza, grub hub or uber eats, the question
you need to ask, why are voters standing in line that long. it's in democratic controlled counties, they need to do a better job of running their elections and moving people through the lines so they're not standing out there so long. voters should be furious that that's the case. >> that is spectacle is a political party devoid of ideas. david jolly, former republican congressman from florida, no longer affiliated with the party. why do non-white georgia voters have to wait in line so long, according to brian kemp who governs in atlanta where fulton county is, it's because democrats are not doing a good job. after shelby versus holder, georgia's voter rolls had grown by 2 million people, yet polling locations were cut statewide by nearly 10%. that is when brian kemp was secretary of state. growth has been fueled by younger non-white voters,
especially in nine metro counties where four and five new voters were non-white. they have nearly half of the state's active voters. they have 38% of the polling places. the average number of voters packed into each polling location grew by nearly 40% after shelby v holder and this law cut the number of drop boxes even further so that more people have to vote in fewer places and the drop boxes are inside, so he two times both as secretary of state and governor are why people have to wait so long. he thinks they should just order takeout. your thoughts. >> brian kemp is a liar, and brian kemp tried to play a partisan card that you just dismantled for your audience tonight. you will hear republicans, particularly georgia republicans try to compare the georgia law to other states. they like to compare it to delaware because that's president biden's state, other states around the country, the bottom line question, joy, is that under the new georgia law, is it easier or harder to vote
in georgia this year than it was last year, and the answer is it's harder. it's harder to get a mail ballot. it's harder to get your mail ballot counted. it's harder for local election supervisors to favorably resolve conflicts for their voters and very importantly, in the urban corridor of metro atlanta, the number of drop boxes will drop from 93 or 94 this past election to 23 or 24 in the next election. >> correct. >> so when brian kemp plays the race card and says this is a democratic problem in democratic communes, what he's saying is black communities, but it's a bald-faced lie and he knows it. >> i feel like what these republicans are doing is half trying to stymy and throw up, you know, road blocks in front of voters of color and younger voters but geo tv. we're going to double the number of voters in white counties where you wait two minutes to vote, and we're going to make people order a pizza they have
to stand there so long. part of this is trying to tell white voters, to be blunt, we will guarantee that you will win. now, will you vote. >> i can't disagree with you, but i also think it serves the purpose of confusing voters, especially new voters who maybe don't have long tradition of showing up at the polls. but that barrier is being to be very difficult. i mean, what the democratic party has done in georgia is find new voters. those aren't necessarily what you would consider prime voters yet. right? they may become that, but that means that those are voters who vote because somebody came and knocked on their door. they vote because they had an extra hour after they pulled a second shift and somebody convinced them to do so. so these are people who often case, not always, are living in poverty or maybe they're first time voters. it's not easy for them to vote. we act as though it's a civic
duty, and it's an equal opportunity. we know it's not. it's not the case. in most civilized countries, you're able to vote on a holiday. in this country, we make it very difficult. and it's not just georgia, i think part of the frustration that i have is that, in fact, because of the failure of this country to secure the vote throughout the united states, these georgia officials can cherry pick examples of things that aren't working elsewhere. and so you find a little bit of a kernel of truth, and they go ahead and lie just like david said. i mean, the bottom line here is that every bit of attention, not just from the democratic party, but from those invested in democracy needs to be on making sure that we secure the right of every person in georgia and elsewhere in this country who wants to vote and is able to do so. it's going to require grass roots effort that we haven't seen before, and i really, i
think that's something that we need to focus on now because you cannot rely on local officia to do the right thing, particularly when we have a situation where so few communities across the country have local journalism. now that we're in that situation it's even more important. nobody is watching the shop. >> absolutely. and if you're playing keep away with voters, over here, and jump through this hoop, it's trying to basically run out the clock by making it so confusing that hopefully only their voters will understand the system. it's pathetic because it means that they know they cannot win with younger and diverse audiences. they know they can't compel them so we'll make it hard. let's go to the state of florida, david, we love to have you come on and zing my state. matt gaetz couldn't even get trump to hang out with him. he's like who's that guy, and
you have all of these people lining up for his seat. is he still going to be in congress, do you think, after 2022? >> i don't think so. most florida republicans are looking past matt gaetz tonight assuming his political career ends in an indictment or resignation. the investigation is spreading throughout tallahassee, joy, the state capitol. you're seeing lobbyists being touched by it, republican donors touched as well. the refusal of trump to meet with matt gaetz is probably the biggest blow to his ego. donald trump and matt gaetz never had a personal relationship. donald trump used matt gaetz for four years for his own purposes and when matt gaetz needs donald trump, donald trump has no interest in matt gaetz. the most damming part is the admission, the acknowledgment that there's no relationship between matt gaetz and donald trump, none. >> it's what you in a regae sole
judge called one love. he fund raises off of them, he don't love them. they're going to figure it out. his voters, his politician friends, he just using you all. he's getting paid. he's having a great time. he's sitting at home, eating cheese burgers, saying don't drink coca-cola while he's slurping a diet coke with his cheek burger. he don't love you all. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> i believe that mr. george floyd's death was absolutely preventible. >> another dramatic day in the chauvin murder trial. another black man killed by police at a traffic stop in brooklyn center, minnesota. and another fired police officer after a nightmare traffic stop in virginia. tonight, is anything really getting better in the wake of george floyd? then senator chuck schumer on infrastructure, his big announcement with aoc, and why his republican colleagues just gave donald trump a m