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it interfered with the government getting in to the lives of transgender youth as well as their parents and decisions that doctors made. to me it's about compassion, but also about making, having the laws make sense and in a limited role of government. >> it is not just arkansas. republicans in more than 30 states introduced similar bills targeting trans kids and trans teens. which presents a big question for the party that touts itself on wanting limited government. why are they so determined to meddle in the lives of their. >> translator: constituents? inventing a problem to whip up a cultural world they are convinced will rebound to their benefits. they don't have anything else to win on. they aren't fighting for better health care and turning to
outrage to win again. will it work? ho do democrats fight back? joining me, a member of the virginia house of delegates and an aclu deputy director for trans justice. great to see you both. start with the harm these bills cause. the arkansas law bans trans youth from receiving puberty blockers and hormone therapy. how do these banned treatments in a state like arkansas actually save lives? >> so the thing is, legislation like this will not save lives. legislation like this is actually going to backfire to a point where you're going to increase suicidal among trans youth in the first place because you're trying to take away this little sliver of hope they have. if you look at what they're doing and arkansas looks what's going on nationwide and compare it to what's happening in virginia, we had these fights in virginia already. we've been through it. we're on the other side of it now. virginia is now, proud to say as a member of the virginia house of delegates one of the
nation-wide leaders in lgbtq, pasted bills in the last two years since majority democratic took over two years ago and doing so affirm trans kids in school making sure they're welcome and protected because of who they are not despite it. my viewpoint, constituents service is not just optional for legislators. it is required. equality is constituent service. >> you know, chase, as i listen to danica talk about the efforts that they're making in virginia to actually protect and affirm trans kids, i am reminded that the legislation that we're seeing across the country is dangerous on its face, but also dangerous because it begins to shift what is the center, if you can even call there a center of this debate. when you look at all of these pieces of legislation, they have very similar language. do you get the sense that this
is a coordinated attack and where is that attack coming from? >> yeah. it is absolutely an attack. we know these are model bills drafted by groups that have spent decades attacking lgbtq people and shifted their focus to trans kids over the last five years. what we're seeing now is the most extreme sweeping and dangerous assault on trans lives we've seen in the past several decades, and we are being inundated. kids are targeted. in arkansas already took away health care for trans youth and have five more bimbills pending make it a felony. banning trans kids from sports again, and to bar all trans kids from restrooms in schools and a government building. truly a dangerous assault not stopping with trans kids with sports, moving on to health care. we have seen escalated bills in texas and north carolina having
hearings in the coming weeks. we need to have a national outcry over what we're seeing. >> chase, senate democrats have some power at the federal level to fight these gop tactics in the states. last month a 16-year-old from washington state became the first trans teen to testify before the senate when she spoke in favor of the equality act. take a listen. >> less than half of the states in our country provide equal protection for me under the law. what happens if i want to attend a klemp in a state that doesn't protect me? right now i could be denied medical care or be evicted for simply being trans gender in many states. how is that even right? >> chase, both how would federal legislation in the form of the equality act for trans americans and if you have a patchwork of are state laws what are the complicating factor presented in the lives of trans people and those who love them? >> i think it's really important
to note first that because of the supreme court's decision from this summer that trans people, lgbtq people are protected under federal law in the context of education, jobs, housing, and when the government discriminates because of constitutional protections. this is a critical piece of legislation to have more tools in the tool 3 box, expanded protections in public accommodation and we want to see congress act, want to see the biden administration act robustly enforcing protections we already have. but i think it's important to note that the states are already acting in violation of federal law now. acting in violation of title 9 of the civil rights act, in violation of the constitution and they don't care. what we need are a massive outcry. we'll bring the cases to court but kids are suffering in the meantime. >> right. danica, are republicans looking
to ban trans kids in sports? and in their region and trans portion in sports causing a problem? what are attacks against trans youth tell you about the state of the gop specifically the fact they're going after kids. >> what, what it tells when you are stigmatizing the very people you are elected to serve, that includes protecting trans kids. if you want a model policy for how does this, how can we actually work with trans kids, work with trans athletes, how can we make it work in general? look what we do in virginia with virginia high school sports with virginia high school league. they started to deal with us in 2014. modern day policy in place about six years now. and when you actually look at the criteria, you don't have a competitive advantage that the trans kids will end up having
despite competing on the correct sports teams, the one that actually aligned with their gender in the first place. here's the thing. another thing, by the way. you want to do something about women's sports. want to do something about girls sports to actually help these athletes, fully fund them. attend their games. go about in doing something proactive to help the athletes instead of scapegoating other children. this is where they've gotten to. scapegoating other children because why? well, what other message are they going to try to put forward in that case? and we're hearing even one of the republican candidates here forral delegates in this county making a trans argument yesterday at an event. look ats in its totalality and break it all down it comes down to, we are afraid we're going to keep losing unless we find someone for our group to villainize, find someone for our group to blame for our problems. what they should be doing
instead is building up infrastructure instead are tearing down each other. what they should be doing instead looking saying how can i help you today? why is it a matter of coincidence that the same people opposing rights for trans kids and trans adults are the same ones refusing to expand medicaid, for example? is it coincidence at all that these are the same people who will often fight against teacher pay raises, doing so much to actually hurt other people? no. it's not a coincidence, but when you look at what we've accomplished in virginia, when you look at the leadership we've actually put forward, where we actually care about constituents service and are actually forward-thinking on equality, you are seeing us take care of covid, take care of infrastructure, seeing us take care of education and, yes, taking care of civil rights, too. >> danica and chase, thank you for your time. and derek chauvin's trial
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one of the things we continue to say over and over again, this isn't just about justice for george floyd's family. really, it's an trying to have a racial reckoning in america, one that's long overdue to help america live up to the declaration of independence. that we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equally. >> in minneapolis, the trial of former police officer derek chauvin putting police accountability in the spotlight. hundreds hit the streets this weekends protesting with unequal treatment of law enforcement of black americans. this new video from virginia
showing officer holding a second lieutenant at gunpoint and pepper spraying him. that army officer, black latino is suing the officers in civil court. while the police department has not responded to nbc news requests for comment, we do have a statement from virginia's governor. a short time ago calling it disturbing and demanding an explanation. and laws that restrict use of force. joining me, brittany patrick cunningham, and rachelle and an associate professor of sociology at brown university. you heard ben crump say the chauvin trial is about living up to the promises of american democracy. zoom out for me. what do you see as being the stakes of this case? >> i think that the stakes of this case are massive.
as they are unfortunately for every one of these cases. i think it what do do with more that's what's happened in the courtroom, though, but the fact that the entire world is paying close attention to this. the truth of the matter we need to get to the place irare theive of the outcome of this case we understand this toish a fully systemic issue, that it is not about one officer or even the four officers responsible for george floyd's death, but it's not about one police department, one city or one state. that fundamentally the fruit of a tree rooted in white supremacy are going to continue to bear out fatally for black, brown and indigenous people in this country until the entire tree is uprooted and replaceds with something that actually keeps all of us safe instead of puts many of us in danger. so i'm glad that this conversation is opening up, but we should be clear that george floyd should still be alive and his life shouldn't have had to be taken for people to finally
take this systemic conversation seriously. >> nicole, to brittany's point, police witnesses for the prosecution argued chauvin is an amomly. a bad apple. what was said about his own former officer. take a listen by the chief. >> once there was no longer any resistance and clearly mr. floyd was no longer responsive even motionless to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, hand covered behind their back, that, that in no way shape or form is anything that is by policy, it's not part of our training and certainly not part of our ethics or values. >> nicole, is this line of reasoning leading to chauvin's
conviction, if it does, how does that complicate the contours of this conversation? >> this is an officer under an enormous amount of pressure. there is a code of silence in policing. when a brother and sister in blue does wrong, they will look the other way. support the officer at all costs. they will provide them jobs. they will advocate for them. so in some ways this is an anomaly. we have not really seen a case where officers have kind of broken that code of silence. but that is not a nationwide phenomenon. we have not seen that across the nation. so we're going to see more of these cases where officers are going to continue to cover up. in my own research we've even found prosecutors will go along to get along. get case where is a suspect is dead and they themselves will
not scrutinize the officer. they're unwilling to charge the officer with murder, and this is in some ways a national phenomenon. local prosecutors across the nation are part of the code of silence. the testimony of this officer might be encouraging it is not a trend. we need a larger systemic reform to break this kind of bad apple p.r. statement that police want us to believe. >> rashad, you do some of the most comprehensive organizing of these questions across country. tell us how you are thinking about this moment and what real accountability is going to look like? >> well, thank you. a couple of things. i couldn't agree with brittany and nicole more that this is a systemic issue. so it demands a systemic solution. a couple of things that are incredibly important. we have to deal with the money that goes into policing in the first place. far too much money goes into policing without accountability where money could be invested in
things we actually know leads to safety and justice. end qualified immunity. without officers being individually held accountable we continue to end up with situations where taxpayers end up having to pay for these type of situations. and politicians and all of those sort of enablers of what's happening here. for instance, police unions have put over $50 million into elections since 2012, and we published something we talk about at the police union playbook. the minnesota police and peace officers associations actually are paying for derek chauvin the defense. what we end up with here is the same thing we end up with all around the country. this kind of body and system of policing that every single turn will never speak up against police. even when they do in a case like this, it's to advance its narrative one bad apple. in essence they're trying to protect policing. what they want us to believe is
that derek chauvin got all of the right training and all the other police officers did and there was written and unwritten rules that stood against this. yes, zschau derek chauvin did what he did, hands in his hocts, sunglasses on his head and we're expected to believe this wasn't part of an unwritten culture of a police department where derek chauvin had repeated violations or repeated sort of offenses reported and nothing was done. this is what we see timened time again. so part of what we're doing is working to hold police unions accountability. working to hold those that accept money from police unions accountable and also working to deal with all the profiteers of the system. this is held up by more than just police departments and we will need all of those who accept money, play footsies with this situation to be held accountable regardless of the verdict of this case. >> brittany, i want to ask you about these new laws in maryland. police officers are going to be required to wear body cameras.
face up to ten years in prison for using excessive force. i wonder how you believe all of that fits into this bigger conversation? >> so i think it's important to recognize the steps that certain lawmakers are trying to make. but we need to be really clear about the cultural moment that we are in. when i sat on the president's, president obama's policing task force back in 2015, back then we were having conversations about body cameras. back then we were having conversations about use of force continuums and policies. it's not to say there's not immediate work ta had has to be done about the regulations and training practices and transparency that needs to be the case across the country, however, there's a conversation of accountability, what happens after somebody is harmed, and there's a conversation of prevention. we need to recognize that this cultural smoemt saying we tried certain reforms. five years ago, six years ago, seven years ago, and still the
police every single year since then have continued to kill at least 1,000 people per year, and we are yet again on pace to meet that number in 2021. things have not slowed down. things have not become any less dangerous for black, brown and indigenous people when it comes to our encounters with police officers. we need to ensure on top of what has happened in places like maryland, that lawmakers follow the courage of those in the streets, to ensure that real change prevention these tragedies from happening in the first place instead of holding people accountable once somebody is already dead. >> brittany, rashad, nicole. thank you. meet a mother and daughter kept apart a decade. their reunion captured on camera. later, the week ahead for congress. lawmakers returning to washington to find solutions for the migrants on the southern
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as we report on the record numbers of unaccompanied migrant children coming to our border and held in detention facilities, a story revealing a harsh reality many families face when they decide to come here in search of a better life. a story of a girl named cindy. 17 years old decided to leave the only home she knew to see her home who lives here in the united states. we show you the reunion a decade in the making. >> reporter: maria can't sleep. she dreams of holding her 17-year-old daughter cindy again.
>> reporter: she made the agonizing decision to leave their home country when cindy was just a little girl. like many immigrant parents she came to the states to secure a better life for her children. years apart, speaking whenever possible by phone or videochat. then cindy decided to join her. after cindy was apprehended at the u.s.-mexico border her mother thought she lost her to the u.s. immigration system for good. cindy's first introduction to it sleeping on the cold floor of an overcrowded detention facility in texas. [ speaking in foreign language ]
>> reporter: next, another unfamiliar place. a health and human services shelter at the san diego convention center and ultimately a hospital where cindy spent three days battling covid. it's unclear how she contracted the virus. she says she was kept in the dark the whole time. didn't even learn of her daughter the hospitalization until cindy borrowed a phone from her doctor. [ speaking in foreign language ]
>> there are backlogs and delays in communications that are really unacceptable. >> reporter: kate goldfinch helped bring them together ago. >> 80% have a relative. someone to be released to. about 40% actually have a biological parent in the u.s. you would think it would be fairly quick and simple to release a child to their own parent. but because of the chaos of the system, the reunification of these kids with their parents is really frustrating and backlogged. most frustrating, of course, for the actual children and their parents. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: it's taken nearly a month for cindy and mariana to reconnect. the process of reunifying family
is already arduous, migrant children crossing the southern border almost 19,000 in march. about 60% more than any other month in the last three years. customs and border protection and the office of refugee resettlement declined to answer specific questions about cindy's case. a spokesperson for orr said in part "its first priority to ensure unaccompanied children are safer, healthy and unified with family or other suitable sponsors as quickly and safely as possible." [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: while the wait is over, the work is just beginning. goldfinch said cindy will likely seek asylum or special immigration status in court. on the grounds she did not feel safe in honduras.
mariana, living in new york on a work permit, also has an immigration case pending and may consolidate hers with cindy's. but right now, mom and daughter have a lot of catching up to do. spvr spf [ speaking in foreign language ] >> reporter: clearly, a mother's love knows no borders. >> nbc's reporter reporting. next, hour ow country can address impacts at the border. that conversation after this. r. that conversation after this.
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expanding its own capacity to hold minors at detention facilities. but some republicans like senator lindsey graham say they will not support reforms to immigration policies until we "regain control of the border." in fact, graham now appears unwilling to support a bipartisan bill that he introduced earlier this year. the cost of inaction, a continued humanitarian crisis, kate in point. a 10-year-old boy found at the border by agents crying after he and his parents were kicked out of the united states and kidnapped by smugglers shortly after. joining me now, nbc news correspondent julia ainsley and executive director of care and action. julia, what do you make of the numbers of unaccompany the migrant children in hhs verse cbp facilities? what do you attribute this to? >> it's good news. seeing overall number of migrant
children the u.s. custody rise an yourself don't like to see children in custody but are watching the numbers rise in hhs care. that care is just by miles better than the care in border patrol facilities. we know they're tested for covid-19, have access to mental health care and access to lawyers. there for the purpose of being reunited with family members or for other sponsors, with other sponsors who can take care of them. unlike border patrol custody, so crowded sometimes the children don't know if they'll have a place to lie down and go to sleep at night. a good sign the numbers are going up and because of the scramble by the biden administration to open up more of those facilities. the thing advocates don't like, in that scramble a lot don't go through the normal processing requirements and licensing requirements you would to open a more permanent shelter. given how contracted the capacity was because of the pandemic, it's really the best
option hhs has available. >> jess what do you say to republicans including senator graham who argue that the border influx is a reason to put a pause on other immigration measures, including something like the pathways to citizenship? >> pretending that the border and immigration legislation aren't connected is really silly. you can't fix a situation at the border until you fix our immigration system. they are absolutely linked. the other thing i'd say to senator graham is this is actually because of republicans policies on immigration for the last four years under trump which they were in lockstep with the whole time. that's why we have these challenges at the border. that's why there is a backlog of folks who are coming, who have been waiting forble years in some cases. and that's why there are an increase in unaccompanied minors.
title 42, a policy put in place during the trump administration that continues under the biden administration is creating this challenge of so many children coming to the border. so these things are linked. i mean, they need to be dealt with. it's time to stop kicking the can. i really believe that this is the year to pass immigration legislation, to legalize people and actually address the challenges that we have right now. >> you reported recently that biden's task force to reunite families found over 5,000 files that may identify more migrant families separated under trump. you've also reported that lawyers have found the parents are 61 separated migrant children. what more do we know, julia, about these files as the task force continues to work to reunite these families? >> well, it's interesting. we're not getting a number of reunifications from the task force yet. that falling on lawyers appointed by a federal judge to do that job even under the trump
administration shortly after separations, but we're finding from the task force they're brotening the scope that anyone has ever taken when looking at how many families were potentially separated under the trump administration. previously lawsuits counted anyone as part of that class. a separated class, going back until about the spring of 2017. or 2018. sorry. 2017, when they would have counted it. now want to go back to january 20th, inauguration day, for president trump to try to say, look, we're not sure when exactly the start of the pilot programs were popping up along the border and want to make sure any child that might have been separated has a chance to reunite pi their families. that's what they're looking at now. it's coming to the frustration of some groups who say, look, start reuniting families now. who are obvious. out there, asking to be taken back to the united states, to find their children. to reunite with them.
the low-hacking fruit to start with. instead we hear the task force wants to do it in a methodical way. get the lay of the land and look through each file and to do that because the trump administration did not delineate whether a child came by thersz or forcibly separated them by a cbp officer when they came across the border. >> you should feel free to add anything on that question. i also want to ask you congress ran veronica escobar asked for charges against this man. >> the kind of human rights offenses that would condemn and call for justice in another place. >> you think stephen miller should be prosecuted for this? what do you think? were you overstating things in that interview? >> no. i was not overstating them. that is my opinion. i stand by it.
>> i wonder, jess, if you agree? especially given that stephen miller is not going away. i mean, he's launching a legal group to counter the aclu even though not a lawyer. still media outlets are going to him for comment. what do you make of what the congresswoman said there. >> i couldn't agree more. stephen mill sir a white supremacist. full stop. no getting around it. he should not be able to get any money. he shouldn't be able to get any job in politics and shouldn't be quoted like an expert. the only thing he's an expert in is anti-immigration and racist policies. it's really important that everyone who is part of separating families, among the most evil things you could possibly do, is not welcome back into american society or into politics. should be absolutely shunned the way you would have done to people who did unspeakably bad things. i appreciate the congresswoman
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and bits of audio and intercepted audio and police recordings and ct-tv footage and lined it up chronologically and then didn't just lay it down chronologically as a kind of experiment but went through it to try to match match like to l and when audio matched up with pictures and different angles of the same event and tried to come up with what's a mosaic-like picture of what happened that day and when you do that and put the similar pieces out epa you lay them out and let it run for an hour and that's what's airing this evening, you start to see patterns and key individuals and watching it all and you can't get any closer than the police officers in the capitol trying to defend the building that day and one of those police officers was officer dunn. what about the fact that you are a black officer and there were
guys in there who were wearing camp auschwitz t-shirts? was being a black officer there different experience for you? was that a big factor for you? >> it was a time, one instance, off the rotunda area and still holding a hallway and these people standing there yelling so i started talking to them and why they're there and joe biden didn't win the election and it's stolen. and i started to talking about me voted. i voted for joe biden. does my vote not count? one person said this n-word voted for joe biden and started booing and the people with them joined in with them and said, yeah, this n-word, f-you. this n-word voted for joe biden.
f-you, f-you, boo. >> what do you think it means about the state of america, where we are today? you've had time now to process it. >> we got a long way to go. we got a long way to go. >> reporter: hundreds of rioters charged with crimes linked to the capitol assault. some face up to 20 years in prison. >> that was nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. catch the entire special later tonight. he provides us with a view of the attack through the lens of those who carried out. tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. finally this hour, health experts are ringing the law of a certain group of americans hesitant about wearing masks. u k don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief*
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author of "for the love of men: a new vision for mindful masculinity." i wager these are not the men you spend your days with. >> if i was i will triple mask. who not just more likely to have gathered in groups indoors, not only more likely to think that masks are -- pose a threat to the person wearing it which is not true and more likely to report having contracted covid. this is a good thing but this is important data because it shows us that men aren't the problem. their relationship with masculinity is the problem and if we were to examine the ideals that we sustain as a society and that we should have -- we push on men i think we would be able
to come up with really good solutions about how to handle this disease that is not really going anywhere. at least not for now. >> tell me what that would look like. if there's a group of people showing hesitancy about this vaccine, we're going to be in the masks for a while. what would it look lick to properly it's cool and in the interest of yourself and neighbor to do this? >> yeah. that's such a great question. these aren't new problems. this is a -- more than 100-year-old problem. if you look at the spanish flu, right, the government knew and seeing that men were less likely to engage in hygiene behaviors and tied prevention of the spanish flu with patriotism. right in they were like the patriotic thing to do is to cough in a hankerchief opposed
to the air and expose other people so if the government wants to pay attention to this issue and recognize that men have a gender, too, that masculinity and the ideals that we have of masculinity that haven't had an upgrade in more than 100 years, those are a public safety threat just as much as covid. >> i wonder if the same messaging happening around the mask, the same conversation has a corollary around vaccines. >> absolutely. as the data shows there's more fear around the vaccine. if you identify as again completely or very masculine and we are not seeing that with other men but seeing a big divide and i think this is a good divide. it is good that we are talking about this nuances of men. right? because men as a group, it would be ridiculous to talk about women as a monolith and in the same way it is ridiculous to talk about men as a monolith, too, the more data we have like
this the better understanding we have of the intricacies is just not good so we have good and we have to pay attention. >> liz, almost like you wrote an entire book on masculinity. thank you for joining us tonight. that's all the time i have for today. i'll see you back here next weekend. for now i hand it over to mehdi hasan. >> thank you for that. tonight, daily vaccination rates hit a new record, 4.6 million shots given on saturday. dr. fauci is here to make sense of what that means for the newly vaccinated. harris county jenlg hi lal go said voter