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general on the push to vaccinate the world and today's big announcement at vaccinations at home. >> no more confusing rules or restrictions. >> all-in starts right now. good evening from new york i am chris hayes. the major league baseball all-star game found a new home and republicans are very angry. mlb announcing the game is moving from atlanta to denver due to georgia passing the new voter access law. republicans responded with the announcement for the extended line that has been a central hallmark of modern conservative politics. >> do you believe major league baseball will live to regret this decision? >> yeah. i think they will. the people here and all over the country have figured it out. they are outraged and sick and
tired of the cancel culture. >> that is brian kemp who was pushing the lie that georgia's voter suppression law is designed to make it easier to vote and everyone is trying to cancel georgia i guess. the republican party as we said is radicalizing against democracy. they lost an election that had the highest turn out in recent memory and now they set themselves to make it harder to vote in the hopes, possibly misguided, that it will then help them win. this is not happening in a back room. we watched it. we watched them prop gate the big lie that the election was rigged leading to the violent insurrection that killed a police officer. now republicans are using that
to change the rules of voting and they are feeling the backlash because their power grab is so transparent and having been caught in the act they are attempting to lie about what they are doing. we know what they are doing. they know what they are doing too. no it is true. the actual particulars of the georgia bill are not determinative of outcomes. they do not guarantee that republicans will win future elections or turn out will go down. there are all sorts of dynamics involved. but it is true that it is a state run by republicans who are trying to make it harder to vote and after they faced a backlash for what they are doing, wooey got this response from right wingers who see persecution everywhere. national republicans calling for boycotts of baseball. house republicans in georgia voting to repeal a tax break to
delta. calling for a boycott of coca-cola and other companies. but you can see that he tried to hide his diet coke behind the desk. now the new lie from republicans. it is that colorado. that colorado has more restrictive voting laws than georgia. tim scott tweeting the mlb is moving the -- the woks are at it again, folks. the woks. the canceling woks. they are everywhere. in reality colorado is a national model for voter access with everyone mailed a ballot. that does not happen in georgia.
just to be clear the law just passed in georgia makes it so that the state can't bail out ballot applications to everyone. reducing the number of drop boxes. there is a reason the state of colorado ranks number two. here is a way to tell a difference. find a photo of colorado voters waiting in long lines on election day. we can't find the photos because they don't exist. in georgia that is easy to find. long lines to vote in 2020. remember october 12th, folks waiting eight hours to cast a ballot. in colorado voting is a breeze. mail your ballot. vote in person. drive right up. here is what the primary looked like last year.
>> well, the poll locations are not very busy inside because of drive-by voting. this is just a no-brainer it seems like. they have this set up right here where people pull up and they are able to cast their ballots on the spot. hand it over. we have seen it happen. four or five seconds. >> fox news correspondent tried to push the lie colorado is as restrictive as georgia and it did not go there. is the white house concerned -- >> let me refute the first point that you made. first let me say on colorado, colorado allows you to register on election day. colorado has voting by mail where they send it to 100% of the people in the state that are
eligible. they allow a limited number of people. >> yeah. it is not very similar, sir. you know, if republicans really think colorado is a model for them that they would accept, i say call it a deal. so much conflict and debate over all of this. here is the deal. every state passes colorado's law or federalize it. we all agree. we sign it in to law and call the whole thing over. the all-star game can go back to atlanta and donald trump can take his diet coke out from behind his phone. janet grizwald and reginald
jackson. secretary, let me start with you because we were talking about colorado. what is your reaction as a person that administers elections in your state to say that your state is more restrictive than georgia and that it is very similar in the words of the fox news correspondent. >> thanks for having me on, chris. my response is that colorado has the most accessible elections in the nation and the most secure in the nation. i would love vote by mail for all. we just had the second highest turn out in the nation.
the first highest period of time people that are eligible. to leave the voter suppression behind. >> as someone that is working on the bill, would you take the trade and if you would go in for universal automatic voter registration, mailing ballots to everyone or early voting and all of that? >> i would campaign for it, eagerly. >> what do you make of this? seems like republicans were caught flat-footed and thought they would pass the bill. it is a big priority. we just lost the election. we lost the two senate elections. now they are trying to tell people we did it because we want to expand access. we have your best interest at
heart. what do you say to that? >> i believe that the governor and many in georgia are living in denial. the problem is that the citizens of georgia know better and believe me, black and brown people in georgia definitely know better. we are doing all that we can to fight it and to hopeful looey get it changed. >> secretary, tell me about the politics of it in your state. is it the site of fights if the republicans were to take over the state legislature or senate that would be something they would move for?
or is it settled and understood? >> that is a great question. at the same time there were six bills introduced this session to take us backwards. to force us to throw out ballots that were not counted on election night. it is important to see that this is a coordinated attack on voting rights. what this is, partisan elected officials trying to choose their voters to keep power instead of voters choosing elected
officials. they need urgent action in state legislatures and in the federal government. they must pass for the people act. >> bishop jackson, one of the points of leverage in this. a strange situation in georgia. all state politics, dominated by republicans. the last three elections, they lost. they lost the presidential. one of the points of leverage that has been exercised by folks like yourself and others is to say to the corporations that are headquartered there that you need to speak out against it and there were calls for boycotts if they didn't. is that something you are explaining?
>> last week faith leaders in georgia called for a boikt of delta airlines. we threatened to boycott which was supposed to begin on tomorrow. we will have a meeting and hopefully from the meeting we will get corporate lad leaders to speak out in georgia and all across the country with more than 361 pieces of legislation.
enjoy the all-star game this summer and thank you both for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all right. do you remember the end of the trump administration, trump went on the huge pardon blitz from steve bannon to lil wayne and even congressman matt gaetz proved to be very interested in pardoning as many people as possible. >> president trump should pardon michael flynn, the thanksgiving turkey, everyone from himself to administration officials to joe exotic if he has to. you can see from the radical left a bloodlust that will only be quenched if they come after the people that worked so hard to animate the trump administration with the policies and vigor and the effectiveness that delivered for the american people. i think the president ought to wield that power effectively and
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gaetz of florida who is currently under investigation for the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl. the congressman asked for himself and some allies which was an attempt to camouflage his own potential criminal exposure. at this point he was already under investigation but unclear if he knew at the time about the inquiry. yeah. michael schmidt broke the news moments ago and joins me now. all right. what did you learn about the request?
it came in the final weeks of the trump presidency. the president was bringing up the idea of pardons, asking, you know, would you like a diet coke or a pardon. gaetz went to the white house and asked for this blanket pardon. a blanket pardon would have been extraordinary even by the standards of the trump pardons. trump gave pardons to all sorts of allies and donors and such. in the case of gaetz he wasn't charged with a crime. it would be the ultimate get out of jail free card. giving you a clean slate of all of your past acts like the sort of, you know the pardon on steroids if there is a way of
saying it. it did not really go anywhere. >> yeah. taking our minds back, and you did great reporting back at the time. we have this white house that is kind of like bizarre for pardons. we know there are huge six and seven figure campaigns. >> there was a market for pardons. >> a market for pardons. there is also the time that reporting that you and the other in the "new york times" about the president thinking about pardoning himself or family in the preemptive blanket way. that is in the air at the time that we understand that gaetz is proposing this. >> and what is going on at the time. the federal investigation of matt gaetz is accelerating and they are beginning to do interviews with witnesses and they are starting to talk to people and take over acts or the
type of things that, you know, would give off clues to people. the other thing is that in last august, his associate had been indicted for sex trafficking of a minor. someone that he spent a lot of time with. someone that he knew, he knew a lot about his activities. and we now know that gaetz is under investigation for having a relationship or having sexual relations with that same girl. and gaetz knows, on the public record in august of last year is the indictment of the guy for sex trafficking a minor. if matt gaetz was paying attention, he would have had some hint that something like this was going on around him. >> this is incredible reporting michael schmidt. thank you so much for scrambling to join us after breaking the story.
>> thanks for having me. >> a former congressman from california and a columnist at the "washington post" where she recently published an opinion piece on matt gaetz titled this should not happen more than once. here is what i am puzzling through about this. nothing to see here everyone. just got a blanket pardon from my buddy in congress. that would raise flag flags it would seem to me. >> yeah. if matt gaetz did talk to the president or to white house officials about a blanket pardon, it indicates he was probably worried about something and something was underway and that he knew about it. and look, matt gaetz is the perfect example of how people
that get caught up in trump world in a lot of ways their lives get ruined. they face major issues. matt gaetz was someone a lot of people hoped to would speak to a younger generation of conservatives, cannabis reform, good on criminal justice reform and told republicans they needed to pay attention to environmental issues. rather than being the voice of younger generations of conservatives, he became the mouthpiece of donald trump. he deserves his day in court and to clear the air and explain what happens. but this happens to a lot of people that get caught up in donald trump's web and attitude
and arrogance. >> it does appear he had some interest in the younger generations. what do you think about the fact, and your column was about this. the behavior of the guy and sort of the reporting about sort of, you upon, showing nude pictures or videos of women he had been with around on the floor. something people were like scoring into the matt gaetz experience and not raising many objections. >> no, exactly. i think there is something to be said that hanging over all of this is the donald trump shadow and the echo of the laughter of billy bush. there is a moment people decided what is normal behavior. when your colleague comes up to you on the floor of the house and shows you a nude photo. this is something that happened not once but multiple times and the first time it happened went way better than it should have. it got me to thinking about all
of the interactions that you have when people get to decide what is normal behavior. you know in our lives we go around and do things and see how the people respond and we put together a picture of how to be in the world. and whoever was on the receiving end of that which is a startling thing to get in your office. i don't want to underestimate the trauma of that. whoever got that laughed or he did something that made the locker room bigger. it took two people to create want environment where matt gaetz felt like it was comfortable to keep doing this. you know, i think yeah. >> yeah. that is part of the broader issue here. you know, now you are getting the behind the scenes anonymous quotes like the guy was a jerk or a pig or a frat boy. trump people said talking to him for 20 seconds you knew he was not a serious person. go along to get along. he was in good with the president and that's it. it doesn't matter what the guy's
character is or if he is an effective legislature. none of that matters and still doesn't matter as the trump people keep studiusly quiet about this. >> well, chris, donald trump certainly lowered the standards significantly in our country. matt gaetz never showed me any images or talked to me about any experiences that he might have had and i have not heard from anyone who did have the interactions with him. but i can tell you this relevant to what we just heard. there is a lot of room for improving the culture in congress and that is across party lines. i think that, you know, we need to do a lot to raise standards in the country and if the leaders don't raise their own standards and act in ways setting a good example we can't expect much else for the country. yes, voters need to raise their standards and pay attention and actually care about people's character, but our leaders
really, you know, it is more so on them. >> for me you referenced trump and that billy bush tape. the real breaking moment is the roy moore campaign. you find out multiple under age girls, a 14-year-old at court for a custody hearing gets hit on by a prosecutor who is 32 and allegedly she is as sexually molests her later and it is like you know we need the republican seat. if that is not too much to break the backs of people, i don't think anything is. i feel people would say i would like to believe that there is some point people will say we can mend it from this point.
we might not be starting at a great point but maybe it will trickle up instead of down. just individuals have been more respectful discussions and getting those people in congress instead of the people there and slowly over time humanity will improve. >> that is optimistic. you know, wooey do the best that we can. thank you both. appreciate it. coming up, another big day at the murder trial for derek chauvin. more critical police testimony for the prosecution. we will talk about today's use of force training testimony ahead. today's use of force training testimony ahead.
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politics. don't pick sides in these big fights. >> corporate ceos in politics, as we pointed out last night it was pretty rich for senate minority leader mitch mcconnell to tell ceos to stay out of politics when he is arguably corporate america's biggest champion. he repeated his warning and added an important caveat. >> so, my warning, if you will to corporate america is to stay out of politics. it is not what you are designed for. i am not talking about political contributions. most of them contribute to both sides and have political action committees. fine, legal, appropriate, i support that. i am talking about taking a position on a highly incendiary issue like this and punishing a
community or a state because you don't like a particular law they passed. i just think it is stupid. >> my word. everyone get that? mitch mcconnell wants corporations to keep giving him money. he just doesn't want them taking public opinions on laws and stuff. i mean there is nobody more invested in corporations being involved in politics than mitch mcconnell. getting corporations political access has been one of his life's great projects. i mean his primary pet issue has been destroying everything related to campaign finance reform. you cannot restrict the spending because you are therefore infringing on their first amendment rights to speak. that is the heart of the theory. 1997, republicans blocked the
passage of the mccain-feingold campaign reform bill. long-time leader of the opposition forces. it is not going to pass ever. mcconnell was wrong and he became the face of the group challenging the law. made it all the way to the supreme court and failed. eventually emerging victorious when it was found along with mcconnell's argument is that it is in fact free speech. that means you can form an entity and spend unlimited dollars. the first amendment lets there be that and mcconnell's devotion
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miles per hour police department, a lieutenant, use of force instructor who trained hundreds of officers and sergeant yang, a crisis intervention training coordinator all testified that chauvin did not act the way he was trained or supposed to act. for example sergeant yang pointed out officers are trained to use a critical decision-making model that should have helped to deescalate the situation. >> we talk about fast evolving situations, i know they do exist and they do happen. but a lot of the time we converse of that, a lot of the time we have on the time to slow things down and reevaluate and re-assess and go through the model. >> the lieutenant took the stand to testify when derek chauvin put his knee on george floyd's neck, that was not an authorized restraint. >> is this an m.p.d. authorized
restraint technique? >> it is something that does happen in the use of force and is not unauthorized. >> under what circumstances is that authorized? how long can you do that? >> i don't know about the time frame. it would depend on the circumstance. >> depend on what? >> the type of resistance you are getting. >> say for example the subject was under control and handcuffed, would this be authorized? >> i would say no. >> co-founder and ceo of policing equity and a professor at yale. i know you have been involved in officer training around a bunch of these issues, and as someone that has spent a long time doing that, i am curious what you thought of watching the series of officers involved in training saying this is not what we train to do. >> so, i mean part of what i felt like i was saying was the profession of law enforcement
saying please do not pen all of this awfulness on us. we are different from this. think about what we have seen in the last couple of days. we saw the police chief saying that is not okay. the training officer saying this is not okay. an expert from lapd say not okay. several other officers say not okay. that is an unusual thing for a trial like this in the same way that seeing police unions coming out, almost in unison last summer saying this is not what the profession stands for this. is disgusting. this is not represent us. that was unusual. part of the question is whether or not the rest of us believe that. and that is not going to be decided at this trial. that will be decided going forward in terms of how we manage public safety. >> that is a great point and exactly what i was thinking of. it does strike me that, you know, look.
we know police are star witnesses in almost every prosecution. that is how prosecution works. the degree to which police are truthful is a point of contention and suspicion by a lot of lawyers for criminal defendants. but police tend to have a lot of credibility. when you have a situation with a number of police, a who's who list saying this person who is a fellow cop that did wrong, you have to imagine that will land with the jury. >> yeah. absolutely. you hope that it lands with the jury. by the time the prosecution rests their case, i think we will be able to count the number of minnesota p.d. officers that have not testified against chauvin on one hand. everyone has stood up saying this is wrong. and this is after a week that everyone that saw it said there is no version of the world which is this is okay, yet i am reminded if we did not have video evidence of it with all of
the minutes and the seconds there are so many cases where this way it goes the other way. these types of defenses work and have historically worked way more often than landing officers in jail and that is part of what we are witnessing a rare event because it was captured on camera that the world could see immediately afterwards. >> the second point. the question here of our anonymous is this. someone who reported on this a lot. this is one of the most utterly despicable acts i have ever seen a police officer commit and also the case as i listen to this. i witnessed as a reporter and i have seen on tape countless examples of police officers using their body and using force and speeding things up and cracking peoples' skulls in ways that could not have comported with the training reflected in the courtroom today. >> yeah. so you have to wonder if george
floyd goes to the hospital and is paralyzed for life but didn't die are we having the same conversation? if heis traumatized. are we having the conversation? but there is a shadow trial here, the rest of the darn country. what are we going to do, not to hold all of ourselves accountable but to prevent the next one. what i hope we will be hearing is not just all of the things that chauvin did wrong. we saw enough. everybody, literally the entire minneapolis police department saw enough. are we going to talk about the places that law enforcement does
not need to be. no amount of training that will not prevent someone having a very bad day from doing very bad things. i am looking to the folks in minneapolis. the activists there. i am looking to the folks in berkeley and ithica. they don't want people there for a $20 bill that shouldn't be a death sentence. that is what i am hoping we will get on the other side of this and not just guilty or acquitted for one individual officer. >> great to have you on tonight. thank you. next, president biden's big vaccine announcement. the push to help vaccinate the rest of the world. the push to help vaccinate the rest of the world. that never holds you back don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief* and #1 for eczema symptom relief* gold bond champion your skin managing type 2 diabetes? gold bond you're on it. you may think you're doing all you can
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no more confusing restrictions. my message today is a simple one. many states have already opened up to all adults. but beginning april 19th, every adult in every state, every adult in the country is eligible to get in line to get a covid vaccination. president biden announced every american adult will be eligible for the covid vaccine in less than two weeks and said we are on pace to meet his accelerated goal of getting 200 million shots in arms during the first 100 days. the u.s. vaccination rate is almost five times the world average right now. nearly 1/3 of americans now received at least one shot. 19% of the country is fully vaccinated. we are averaging 3 million shots in arms every day. president announced we have enough doses for every american adult by the end of may, and that is without the tens of millions that are waiting for
emergency fda approval. why not give the extra doses away? why not use them to vaccinate the world? not only would it be an incredible gesture of goodwill but it would also help us and it would help other people, crucialally. the world health organization points out until everyone is safe from the virus, none of us are. >> some countries are racing to vaccinate their entire populations while other countries have nothing. this may buy short-term security. but it is a false sense of security. the more transmission, the more variants and the more variants that emerge, the more likely that it is that they will evade
vaccines. >> i am joined by dr. murphy, surgeon general of the united states. great to have you on. first, let start with the domestic situation outlined by the president today. vaccine production and supply seems very good. outreach seems very good. there is concerns about case numbers rising, particularly variants in michigan. how do you assess the balance between the two trends right now? >> chris, it is good to be with you. you are right we made tremendous progress on the vaccination front. we delivered in the vaccines to millions of people. over 107 million people had at least one shot. and we have seen in the elderly population, the seniors 65 and up that 75% of people have gotten one shot and we have seen deaths at nursing homes plummeting. we are in the race.
it is a race against the variants. we are seeing the b117 variant spread more rapidly and over take a larger proportion of cases here in the united states. we know the viriant is more transmissable. we have to vaccinate as quickly as possible. if you are watching and have a chance to get vaccinated, make sure that you take the shot and make sure that we wear masks and avoid indoor gatherings until everyone is vaccinated. >> i want to talk about the global situation. right now the u.s. is way ahead of almost any other large country in terms of vaccinating. we are doing a good job. we have been a laggard in many respects. we have 100 million astrazeneca doses and there is not even emergency use authorization for the vaccine. countries poorer than the u.s.
desperately trying to battle this thing. should the biden administration be prioritizing vaccinating the rest of the world in the next three months or so when we hit 75% or 80% of the population. >> if we really want to get over the pandemic it is not just how quickly we vaccinate americans but how quickly we help the rest of the world get vaccinated. in brazil we are seeing unchecked spread of the virus. whenever that happens around the country or here in the u.s. we can see a greater chance of variants emerging and those that evade our vaccines and therapeutics. the president wants the united states to be a leader when it comes to uponing the world get vaccinated. that is why the united states is reengaging in the global
diplomacy. the job is not done. we have a long way to go to help the rest of the world get vaccinated. >> there is one thing we could play a role in doing and it might be outside your portfolio. i am going to ask you as a member of the administration. you know a lot of the countries are asking for the right to ask them to vaccinate themselves. they would say this is a special case. a lot of countries could produce the vaccine. the u.s. and other european countries have been blocking that. why shouldn't we be letting countries around the world benefit from the incredible innovation. >> i do think we need to be thoughtful. we have to do it in a way that
respects the laws as well. that is part of the discussion and the debate that is underway. listen. one of the lessons that we learned from covid and a lesson that we learned from bowles as well. we cannot be safe here at home unless that we are secure as a global community and that means investing in the health and the well-being of infrastructure, good surveillance and health care and infrastructure so that we can tackle illness once it surfaces. all critical parts of the global plan to address future pandemics and that is where we need to focus our efforts as well. >> surgeon general of the united states, i thank you so much for your time. >> thanks, chris. good to see you again. >> you too. the nationwide vaccination effort is a uniquely collective experience we are having as a country and i wanted to dig in to all things vaccine. nobody i would rather talk to
than dr. hotez. on this week's episode he lends his expertise explaining everything from the basics of vaccines like what even are they to the impact they had on the world. episode you don't want to miss. don't forget to subscribe. that is "all in" on this tuesday night. good evening rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks to you at home for joining us as well. a little bit of breaking news, the just-posted headline over at the "new york times" right now. "matt gaetz, loyal for years to trump is said to have sought a blanket pardon. and that is not the kind of pardon that you need for your blanket. what this means is that he was asking for a pardon for himself for things for which he has not yet charged. this is the latest development in a bizarre and a stomach-churning story that we
have been covering for about a week. matt gaetz is a republican congressman from florida as the headline alludes to and one of the most stanch and flamboyant defenders of former president donald trump. it was first reported last week in the "new york times" by york times" that matt gaetz is currently under federal criminal investigation for allegations of alleged sex trafficking of an underage girl. now, this is an investigation that started during the trump administration when bill barr was running the justice department. bill barr, as attorney general, was himself reportedly personally briefed on the matt gaetz investigation on multiple occasions. the federal investigation into congressman gaetz is reportedly examining, among other things, whether federal campaign funds may have been used to facilitate the child sex trafficking ring, whether drug use may have been involved.