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quick reminder of the top story tonight that just broke as we were getting on the air. the "new york times" furthering their story on matt gaetz, the most pro-trump republican congressman on capitol hill and is currently under federal investigation for child sex trafficking. the times reporting in the closing days of the trump administration gaetz asked the white house privately for a blanket preemptive pardon for himself while the justice department investigation of him for alleged child sex trafficking is underway and the times reporting at the time he asked for the pardon justice department investigators had begun questioning associates of mr. gaetz about if he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl. he obviously never got the
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pardon that we know of. but him asking for it is the latest nauseating wrinkle in the story. see you tomorrow. now time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> on the matt gaetz thing. the times is reporting he was asking for it privately for himself and other members of congress. suggesting that he wanted to see a large group pardon in which his would not particularly stand out. they will want to prosecute us for being good republicans, so we need this protection. >> as if that would stand up though. like ultimately something happened. republicans get charged with corruption or abuse of office or riot or sedition or something. matt gaetz still would be charged with child sex trafficking which would still stand out even among the lots of
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other people being, you know, charged with things that he thought were just democratic score settling. i do not find it at all surprising he told donald trump to give him a blanket preemptive pardon. i find it sort of surprising that trump did not do it. if he knew he were under investigation for these charges while he asked if are it, that is really something. >> that is the part we are not sure of at this point. we know that william barr knew. we knew the justice department knew last year. and so that means william barr knew. did william barr tell the president? the times reports that matt gaetz certainly did not tell anyone in the white house that by the way i believe i am under investigation for sex trafficking. >> but his associates were being questioned about his behavior, including underaged girls at the time he asked for it and if the associates told matt they had
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been approached and talked to by investigators. i'm going to go and take a shower. >> as we are going to show later in the hour, and you don't have to watch it. you dealt with it enough tonight. matt gaetz was doing that trump thing, which is if you do it in public it can't be a crime, right. matt gaetz was saying on fox president trump should pardon everyone. he was just saying, you know, he should pardon himself. donald trump should pardon himself he was saying. by the way, he was saying it on november 24th, which is odd. it is the type of thing that you say when you know that the trump presidency is all over, and at the same time fox was covering the ongoing trump re-election campaign which was supposed to change the outcome of the electoral college and all sorts of other things. >> he was the loudest person of them all, trumpeting that trump was going to have a second term and definitely be re-elected and
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the purported election results were rigged. it was weird at the time that he was like and i need a pardon right now. if you think your man is going to get a second term, no rush if you haven't done anything wrong. so, there was something wrong and self-defeating about the timing of it then and now maybe we know. we know. >> matt gaetz in a statement promised us yesterday that there would be more leaks coming. and he is right i am sure that there will be more after this. >> good luck, lawrence. i'm going to go and shower. >> thank you rachel. thank you. well, today day seven of the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. it was a day of complex and important trial strategy by the prosecution which seems to be anticipating that the jury will never hear one word from derek chauvin on the witness stand. if derek chauvin takes the witness stand in his own defense
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on cross-examination prosecutors will run the 9 minutes and 29 seconds of video of his knee on george floyd's neck. they will stop every 20 to 30 seconds or so and ask derek chauvin why his knee is still on george floyd's neck. yesterday, the jury heard the minneapolis police chief say that derek chauvin should have taken his knee off of george floyd's neck in the first few seconds. those were his exact words. the first few seconds. prosecutors believed that derek chauvin has no good answer as to why he kept his knee on george floyd's neck after the first few seconds, and in anticipation of derek chauvin not testifying the prosecution presented a series of police witnesses today to establish in detail what derek chauvin should have done after george floyd was lying face down on the pavement and handcuffed behind his back.
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the lieutenant in charge of the minneapolis police department's use of training, and he personally trained derek chauvin on defensive tactics in 2018. >> is this an mpd-trained neck restraint? >> no, sir. >> has it ever been? >> neck restrain, no, sir. >> is this an mpd authorized restraint technique. >> a knee on the neck would be something that does happen in use of force but is not authorized. >> under what circumstance is that authorized? >> i don't know if there is a time frame. it would depend on the circumstance at the time. >> that would include what? >> the type of resistance you are getting from the subject you are putting your knee on. >> say for example the subject was under control and handcuffed would this be authorized?
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>> i would say no. >> after defense suggested on cross-examination that a person could be unconscious one moment and recover and become violent, the prosecution came back with this. >> you testified that an individual can be unconscious one moment and then suddenly become conscious and become violent, credit. >> that is a potential, yes, sir. >> have you ever had a circumstance where an individual has lost their pulse and suddenly come back to life and become more violent. >> not that i am aware of, sir. >> the prosecution focussed on derek chauvin's duty to give george floyd medical attention. >> initially the goal is to arrest someone after taking in information, if you determine the person needed medical attention could you act on that? >> yes. >> and what would the action be if the person was in need of medical attention? >> that would be the immediate goal for us.
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if some reason he needed medical attention, we give him medical attention. >> why would you roll someone into the side recovery position after they are handcuffed and compliant? >> several reasons. one is to prevent a potential situation where they might be subject to affixiation. >> do you train officers that as part of your training, do you train officers that if a person can talk that means they can breathe? >> no, sir. >> and why not? >> well, that would be incomplete to say. because there is a possibility that somebody could be in respiratory distress and still able to verbalize it. just because they are speaking does not mean they are breathing adequately. >> the prosecution tried to counter defense claims that the small gathering of eyewitnesss was somehow threatening to the police officers on the scene. >> you can see the bystanders have something in their hands,
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correct. >> yes, sir. >> those appear to be video cameras or smartphones. >> yes, sir. >> all right. that extra fact would not justify an increased use of force, would it? >> just the camera, no. >> now, in terms of the continuation of use of force, and we are talking about involvement of onlookers, right. the words that they use matter, correct? >> yes, sir, they do. >> if they are cheering on and saying good job, officer, that is one consideration. >> correct. >> but if they are saying i would slap the [ bleep ] out of you or you are a [ bleep ] would that reasonably tend to rise alarm in a police officer? >> yes, sir. >> i have no further questions. and if they are saying get off of him. you are killing him. should the officer take that into account and consider whether their actions need to be
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re-assessed? >> potentially, sir, yes. >> nothing further. >> and the prosecution drove home the single-most important principle about police use of force. the least amount of force necessary. >> just explain to the jury as you would a group of trainees, what is proportional force? >> well, you want to use the least amount of force necessary to meet your objectives to control. and if those lower uses of force do not work, would not work or are too unsafe to try, you can increase your level of force against that person. >> and you said that you wanted to use the least amount of force as necessary? >> yes, sir. >> why is that? >> because if you can use a lower level of force to meet your objectives, it is safer and it is better for everybody involved. >> better for everybody
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involved. the least amount of force necessary. leading off our discussion tonight kirk birkhalter. a criminal law professor and the director of the 21st century police project, a former nypd detective. the director of the black law enforcement alliance. and himself, a former nypd detective. professor, let me begin with you tonight. what did you see in the trial today that you think is important? >> two aspects. one from the prosecution's point of view and the other from the defense. the prosecution starting out broadly yesterday and previously with the chief of police, really narrowed downs it argument with regards to the use of force, rather. we saw a lot of evidence about the use of force continuum as to when the use of force should escalate and deescalate and how a police officer should assess that.
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from the defense side, we saw the continued narrative that presuppose or wants the jury to presuppose that in some way, shape or form the crowd posed a threat. lawrence, what is interesting about this is just what people of color have been saying all along. that a group of people of color given the implicit bias of perhaps police officers and other people in the country that it is perceived as a threat. if this were not a crowd or a group of people of color, that defense would not pass the laugh test. however, that is the nature of the defense. we have seen that narrative driven home continuously and it continued to be set forward today. >> what stood out to you in the trial today? >> similar to kirk, what stood out to me is the emphasis on proportionality and some of the corner stones of police training that relates to use of force. it is interesting, because the conversation about
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proportionality really should focus around disproportionality when it pertains to people of color as kirk was indicating. but i think what was most important in the discussions that they are having about training, use of force, the use of force continuum. the minimum level of force necessary to achieve the goal. it is the critical thinking process. you see, all of these things. all of these training suggestions and training guidelines and the recommendations rely heavily on the application of the mind and regarding the circumstances. so, you have to reevaluate and re-assess and readjust as a professional in order to avoid fatalities such as mr. floyd's. >> professor, i thought i was seeing two things today in the way that the prosecution was approaching the case. they were putting on the police experts, including one that trained the defendant himself in
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use of force to say that this is the way that it should be done. but it also seemed that they were anticipating the possibility of never getting a chance to question derek chauvin on the witness stand and so today we saw a kind of a question aimeda the these police experts and these police trainers that would be aimed at derek chauvin if he took want witness stand. they may never get a chance to bring that kind of information out with derek chauvin, so they would seem to be trying to get pieces of it out today. >> very much so, i would agree, lawrence. derek chauvin would take the stand as a last resort if he felt he had nothing to lose and the case was over. he would take the stand. but the prosecution would hammer him having him narrate the film and so forth. in the alternative the prosecution asked questions of their witnesses. let's stop the film at this point. what use of force should be done
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here and here and where does this lie on the use of force continuum. have you ever trained anyone in the department to do x, y, z. we saw the witnesses testifying, some in part as if they were derek chauvin, providing the answers that the prosecution was seeking. >> mark, what are we learning? what are we out here learning about the effectiveness of police training when we see all of these police professionals come along from the chief on down through the department. we had an expert flown in from lapd to testify today to say this was improper use of force. what are we learning about the effectiveness of police training or ineffectiveness of police training when it comes to police work in the street as executed by police officers like derek chauvin? >> we are learning what you would indicate right there. it is ineffective in large part and something kirk has been
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focused on. that is going away from training necessarily and really focusing on education. that is vitally important. look, i think that the prosecutor can present as much evidence and experts as humanly possible, but in reality they want to break it down to the bottom line, and that is that the truth is the simplest, most straightforward explanation available. this time that truth is on videotape. >> professor, thank you for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. and coming up, we will have more on the breaking news that rachel and i were just discussing from the "new york times." their report that congressman matt gaetz asked personally asked and privately asked for a blanket preemptive pardon for himself in the final weeks of the trump presidency. that is coming up. of the trump presidency that is coming up.
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country every adult over the age of 18, 18 or older will be eligible to be vaccinated. >> joining the discussion now a white house senior advisor for covid response. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. it looks like, according to what the president is saying that you are going to more than over deliver once again on this 200 million shot target by the 100 days you will have gone beyond that. what point do you think that we will have reached everyone who is now eager to get the shot leaving whatever margin of vaccine reluctant are still there? >> we just announced we hit our 150th million shot.
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we will have about half adults in the country that had their first shot. so, that is good and a lot of progress when we came to august 8% of seniors had their first shot. that leaves a lot of seniors that have not had their first shot yet. that means we have a lot of work to do. it will be important for people to stay as patient as possible for the near term. i expect that sometime over the course of april and may we will be quickly reaching and particularly in some parts of the country. parts we are getting everyone that wants to be vaccinated vaccinated. if i had a message today it is a message to states it will be time to get more creative and to find people where they are. there are a lot more people that need vaccine shots and we will need to find them. >> there are some states that are ahead of the biden schedule as announced today.
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new york state for one is reportedly already offering the vaccine to 16-year-olds and above. how do you -- how do you expect this to go? some states are going to be doing this at very different paces. >> well, you know it is funny. as we started to talk to states and said look, we might be moving the date forward to april 19th, that gave everybody a chance to get out ahead. you know, we want states to be able to go as quickly as they can possibly go, knowing that we are going to be pushing on the back end a bit. what is really important now is that seniors, even though we have 76% of seniors we would love to get it over 80%. come the 19th, in many states there will be long lines again. so, if you are a senior or if you have a senior in your family and they have not gotten the first shot yet. now is a perfect now. now and in the next week would
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be a great time to get your next shot. we are going to push to get the rest of the country who is eligible vaccinated soon after that. >> i want to get your reaction to something that the doctor michael oesterholm said on sunday. >> we will see the highest cases reported since the beginning of the pandemic. in the united states we are just the beginning of the surge. we have not even begun to see it yet. >> what is your reaction to that? and if there is a surge, will the vaccine protect us against that? >> well, i think it is already is. i think that if you just -- if we had not had the rate and the level of vaccinations we have had so far it would look a lot more like it does in europe right now where you have got a much higher peaks. we have seen increases, and i think that it is important that we take stock of the fact that even with all of the vaccinations we are seeing a slight uptick. we are averaging in the 60,000 cases a day.
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one of the reason yes the president is pushing so hard. we have done it with over 4 million vaccinations. because if we can accelerate the vaccination we can meet and beat the threat. there are plenty of people with plenty of projections and nobody knows the future what i can tell you if we haven't vaccinated 76% of seniors we would be in a much worse situation. let's get the rest of the way there. >> how far away are we from knowing how effective the current vaccines are against the variants that have developed after the vaccines were developed? >> that is a great question. for the variants of concern, and there are roughly, you know, three from outside of the united states. there are a couple that are variants of interest. the distinction is hard to explain. a variant of concern is worse
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and a variant of interest is something they are watching. the good news is that the vaccines, all three of the vaccines seem to be effective against all of the variants in one form or another. now there may some day be a variant, as happens with other illnesses like say the flu or other things where there are modifications that we will need to amend the vaccines for. and right now the vaccine manufacturers are in trials to see if there are additional vaccines or additional boosters that might be required. but the very good news is that while they work to varying degrees on different ones of these we will see against the three that are of most concern, the vaccines do a pretty good job if not just as good of a job. >> thank you very much for including us in your busy workday. we really appreciate it. >> thank you lawrence. >> thank you.
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>> in a breaking news report tonight the "new york times" says that congressman matt gaetz who is under federal investigation for possible sex trafficking charges privately asked for a pardon from donald trump in the final weeks of the trump presidency. the times reports that he privately asked the white house for blanket preemptive pardons for himself and unidentified congressional allies for any crimes they may have committed according to two people that were told of the discussions. on november 24th when donald trump and matt gaetz were
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pretending that donald trump would be president for life he went on fox to prepare for what he hoped would be pars for everyone. >> he should pardon everyone from himself to his administration officials to joe exotic if he has to. you can see from the radical left a bloodlust that will only be quenched with the policies and the vigor and the effectiveness that delivered for the american people. i think the president ought to wield the pardon power effectively and robustly. >> "new york times" reports that it is unclear whether congressman gaetz or the white house knew that he you was the subject of a sex trafficking investigation approved by trump attorney general william barr at the time that he was asking for the pardon.
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mr. gaetz didn't tell white house aides that he was under investigation when potential sex trafficking violations were being investigated. congressman gaetz denied he has violated any laws. joining us is a career federal prosecutor and now legal analyst. now this is so striking, this notion that while matt gaetz and donald trump were sending rudy giuliani to every courthouse with fake election law claims, there is matt gaetz preparing for the end of the trump presidency by begging for a pardon for himself. >> let's start with the obvious observation, lawrence. you don't ask for a presidential pardon unless you committed crimes and need a presidential
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pardon. but it is nice to have supreme court precedent to look to in order to put it in context. more than 100 years ago, 1915 there was a case called united states versus george berdict. a newspaper editor for the new york tribune and president woodrow wilson issued him a pardon. here is what the supreme court said. a pardon carries with it an implication of guilt and if you accept a pardon that is virtually a confession of guilt. if we extend this to matt gaetz, what does it mean when you request a pardon and seek out a pardon. if you apply the same rationalal could be viewed as a confession of guilt.
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>> the times is reporting he wanted a group of republican congressmen to get a pardon. that is kind of like asking for cover. jim jordan and a bunch of other people to be pardoned including those that don't need one for any reason at all so that his will not stand out. let's put ourselves in a bag of pardons. maybe i will be lost in the mix. he was asking for a blanket pardon. not a targeted pardon. you can see if matt gaetz was facing a reckless driving charge and said mr. president i do not want to contend with this. i would like a targeted pardon for that. no.
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i want a pass for all crimes that i ever committed in by life. >> there is news about what might be matt gaetz's next public appearance. the featured speaker at a pro-trump women's group event this friday in florida at a trump country club golf club there. the organization praised gaetz as one of the few members of congress willing to stand up and fight on behalf of president trump and his america-first agenda. it is unlikely we will be learning more facts about this case. >> probably not. but fbi agents and prosecutors will be listening keenly.
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let him continue to talk. he is only providing evidence for prosecutors. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up, major league baseball is moving the all-star game west, from atlanta to denver, colorado. and that provoked a bunch of lies from republicans today about election laws in colorado. the new governor of the all-star game colorado governor will join us next. game colorado governor will join us next. see how fast dust reappears. but dusting with a cloth is a pain. and dealing with a bulky vacuum.. . is such a hassle. uchhh!!! so now we use our swiffer sweeper and dusters. the fluffy fibers? they pick up dust easily. grabbing it in all those hard-to-reach places. gotcha!!! and for our floors, sweeper's textured cloths lock all kinds of dirt, dust and pet hair. unlike my vacuum, it sneaks under and around places. look at that!! dust free and hassle free. stop cleaning and start swiffering.
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>> do you think the masters golf tournament should be moved out of georgia? >> i think that is up to the masters. you know, it is reassuring to see that for profit operations and businesses are speaking up now about these new jim crow laws. smarten up. stop it. stop it. >> joining us now the governor who is welcoming the all-star game to denver. the colorado governor, thank you very much for joining us tonight. when did you get the word the all-star game was coming your
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way and what do you think it means for denver? >> i could not be more excited. we knew we were in the running. the buzz is that we were the likely city to get it. because denver is such a great baseball city. you can imagine the home run derby on july 12th at a mile above sea level will be epic and we have not hosted since 1998. we are ready. >> mitch mcconnell is not happy about this. >> republicans drink coca-cola too and we fly and we like baseball. i would stay out of politics. i think this is quite stupid to jump in the middle of a highly controversial issue. what is your reaction to that coming from a man who spent his
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entire life begging him to be in politics by giving him and his party money. it is about baseball and it is not about politics. he will be able to cheer on his team from the bleachers in coors field on july 13th. >> no dragging you into the politics of this. when you have a win, you have a win. but to joe biden's point today. there has been a lot of comparisons now, republicans throwing out there, hey, wait a minute, colorado's voting laws are restrictive also. what is your response to that? >> that is absolutely false and has been rebuffed by all responsible media. the second state for turn out. every voter gets a ballot in the
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mail. we have early voting. we are proud of our system. if you are allowed to vote, you vote. i am proud of colorado. the decision is about showcasing the amazing athletes in major league. i want to turn to what the president is saying today about the covid vaccine and how they are lowering the age recommendation. in colorado you already opened it up to younger people, haven't you? >> it is open to everybody 16 and up and it has been for several days now. it is going well. our priority is to get it in to arms, any arm. we reached over 80% of the people over 70. they were our priority. now we are moving on to
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everybody. i know that does not mean everybody gets an appointment tomorrow or the next day. it might be a week or two. we are getting every vaccine we can get and are rapidly moving to save lives and end the pandemic. >> how are you balancing the reopening of activities in colorado with the penetration of the vaccine? >> we are only about a quarter of the population with immunity. it is why we wear masks in colorado and are six feet apart at restaurants in colorado and we are working with our municipalities to have as much outdoor dining as possible with our beautiful spring weather. >> the all-star game, what is the capacity of the stadium and how many people will be allowed in? >> i think we are about 51,000. and we expect full capacity in july. everybody as president biden said will be able to get the vaccine by the middle to late may.
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immunity by middle to late june and the all-star game leaves several weeks of buffer. we are excited about it. 28,000 people a game in at coors field. >> governor, thank you very much for joining the discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. good evening, lawrence. >> coming up, sometimes things are exactly as they appear to be. a new study by a team of political scientists show that many of the people arrested for the attack on the capitol are white supremacists. those people represent an ongoing threat to the country. that's next. n ongoing threat to the country. that's next. customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ as a repairman, i hear a lot of folks say they feel like they have to rinse off dirty dishes like these before loading them in the dish washer. but new cascade platinum changes all that.
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a team has been assembled to analyze the data on 377 of the people that have been identified and charged in an attack on the capitol and told the times this about what he found. you see a common pattern in the capitol insurrectionists, mainly middle to upper middle class whites who are worried that as social changes occur around them they will see a decline in their status in the future. the professor's study found that the people arrested at the capitol are 95% white and 85% male and many live near and among biden supporters in blue and purple counties. counties with the most significant declines in the non-hispanic white population are the most likely to produce insurrectionists who now face charges. the professor cites a long held view of white supremacists
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called the great replacement theory. it has achieved iconic status with white nationalists and holds that minorities are progressively replacing white populations due to mass immigration policy and low birth rates to ignore the movement and potential would be akin to trump's response to covid-19. we cannot presume that it will blow over. the ingredients exist for future waves of political violence from lone wolf attacks to all out assaults on democracy surrounding the 2022 midterm elections. and joining our discussion now, chair of the african-american studies at princeton universities and msnbc contributor. and professor, let me begin with you. this does seem to be one of the cases where the people arrested are what they appeared to be when we were watching them do
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what they did that day. >> right, lawrence. you know, reading this piece by my colleague. it reads like a water is wet story for a lot of folks. this idea of economic anxiety is something black organizers have been talking about for years. the economic anxiety is so miniscule compared to the white supremacy that we saw in charlesletsville and saw on display on january 6th. when people were talking about the jews will not replace us. blacks will not replace us. and explicitly sort of going under the ideology that the then president had sort of sewn the seeds for months and for years, so many americans knew exactly what that was. and during the tenure of donald trump, far too many americans refused to recognize it. they told themselves it was everything but white supremacy and everything but racism. even on january 6th we had far
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too many americans trying to justify it as something else. when political science meets up with politics, we get a better knowing of what organizers and activists have been telling people explicitly since day one. we can look at the visuals that you have on the screen and know there is not enough economic anxiety in the world seeing swastikas and confederate flags and white men storming the capitol and killing a police officer in the process. >> professor, when i was reading the study, it has a lot of the kind of language that finds it way into this type of work and yet the ugly and the powerful reality that it was delivering still leapt off of the pages in a really chilling way. >> absolutely.
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what struck me of the 370 or 380 that were arrested, only 10% of those could be self fived as oath keepers or proud boys. and part of what the professor reveals is that there are -- that these are ordinary people. mostly men but ordinary people that live in the neighborhoods and mostly lived in counties that went for biden and the like and believed that the country is turning brown and black and that they are losing the idea that america is this majority white nation. and that anxiety is driving their own sense of alienation. what we saw on january 6th is that the cold civil war that we know we are in can easily turn hot. what the professor tells us by pointing out that it is not just those in the extremes holding the view but folks that are just among us that are holding the view that the type of political violence will evidence itself in
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the future in very clear ways. i want to say this quickly. it leads me to conclude that we need to understand the challenge to voting rights across 43 plus states, right, as a type of extension of what we saw on january 6th. just as that was an insurrection about america must remain a white nation in the vain of old europe, the attack and the assault on voting rights is an attempt to continue to the view that america must remain a white nation in the vain of old europe as well. >> so professor, to extend that what we are seeing in the georgia laws is a reward for the people that went to the capitol. >> absolute lie, lawrence. a direct correlation to what we saw in january 6th. we have to back up a bit. the fact that georgia had gone to the republican presidential candidate every year, you know,
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bill clinton delivered it one time. jimmy carter delivered it. georgia was red. and not only did joe biden win, georgia, but we also delivered a jewish american and african-american to the senate. so most black voters know that the pendulum swings in american democracy succinctly and consistently. our citizenship tends to ebb and flow. so the gains we make are followed swiftly by the receding of our rights. these new laws that are coming through do not come as a surprise to many black democratic voters because we have seen this type of behavior before in state houses. this is why it is so important that we participate on local, state and national level politics. what goes on in the state houses and the people that we put in the pipeline to go on to congress actually matter and
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they mean something and oftentimes they tend to run for the presidency. there are direct correlations between our behavior and local elections. >> we see the racist impulses revealed in the study, and it combines with a stunning lack of mental processing ability and then this complete inability to tell the difference between fact and fiction when donald trump speaks. >> well, i mean that is consistent with politics as such, right. we know the way that people play are redentments and fears. it presusupposes an ill informed electorate. but this is political violence, not criminal violence.
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kind of traditional conkepgzs of what the country is or is supposed to be. this political violence, lawrence, is not going anywhere. that is the warning that we see. >> professors, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> good evening once again. ali velshi in for brian williams. day 77 of the biden administration and there is breaking news about matt gaetz, the florida congressman now under federal investigation for possible sex trafficking. tonight the "new york times" reveals gaetz was looking to get a blanket pardon from former president trump. in the final weeks of mr. trump's term he privately asked the white house for blanket preselfive pardons for himself

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