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i think that commission will refocus government on what we're going to do to prevent this from happening again, joy. >> always great talking to you, common sense answers and solutions. appreciate you sir, thank you very much. that's tonight's "the reid out," "all in" with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> the georgia legislation is built on a lie. >> caught using big lie to restrict voting, just keep selling the big lie. >> boycotting and pulling games out of state like ours but headquartered in state more restrictive than we are. as matt gaetz clings to seat, how did the bar get set so low? >> get out and vote for roy
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moore. plus mitch mcconnell's revision of new anticorporate stance. >> my advice is stay out of politics. >> i'm not talking about political contributions. interview on the push to vaccinate the world and big announcement about vaccinations at home. >> no more confusing rules and restrictions. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. major league baseball all-star game has found a new home and republicans are very angry. mlb moving game from atlanta to denver in response to georgia republicans passing and signing into law new restrictive voter access law. republicans promptly responded with the extended performative whining that's become a central hallmark of modern conservative politics. >> do you believe major league baseball will live to regret
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this decision? >> yeah, i think they will. almost comical, people here and all over the country have figured this out, they're outraged and sick and tired of cancel cover. >> that's brian kemp, pushing the lie that georgia's law is to make it easier to vote and anybody who says otherwise is trying to cancel georgia, i guess. republican party as we said is radicalizing against democracy, lost an election with highest turnout in recent memories and set themselves to doing everything to make it harder to vote, in the hopes, possibly misguided, it will help them win. this isn't happening in back room. we've all watched it, watched them propagate the toxic big lie that the election was rigged,
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leading to violent insurrection that killed a police officer. that was built on decades of lies from the right about prevalence of voter fraud. now republicans in state after state are using that to change the rules of voting. they'll feeling the backlash because the power grab is so transparent. caught in the act attempting trumpian gas lighting but they know what they're doing and we do too. the georgia bill not determining outcomes, guaranteeing that republicans will win or turnout will go down, there's all sorts of dynamics involved, but it is true that state is run by republicans who lost the 2020 election and are making it harder to vote for constituents voting democrat. and called out, this response. national republicans calling for
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boycotts of baseball. house republicans in georgia voting to repeal a tax break for delta for slamming the law. game show host turned former president at mar-a-lago calling for boycott. when he took the photo, tried to hide his diet coke behind the desk. it's going to be tough to pull off i think. and now the new audacious trumpian lie from republicans, been trotting this out all day today, that colorado, right, colorado where the all-star game moved, from atlanta to denver, that colorado has more restrictive voting laws than georgia. senator tim scott tweeting mlb is moving all-star game out of atlanta with more day of voting rights than colorado, the woks are at it again, folks. the wokes, the canceling be
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wokes are everywhere. in reality colorado is for voter access. everybody can vote with a ballot in the mailbox. the law passed in georgia makes it so the state can't mail out ballots, reduced number of dropboxes, and there's same day voting, early in-person voting if you prefer that. there's a reason state of colorado ranked number two in turnout, not because they make voting hard. dave weigel put it, find a photo of colorado voters waiting in long line on election, any photo from last seven years since all mail voting was phased in. those photos don't exist. in georgia, october 12th, waiting as long as eight hours
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to cast a ballot. in colorado, it's a breeze. mail your ballot, vote in person, drive up. here's what the primary looked like last year. >> reporter: polling locations aren't busy inside because of drive-by voting. this is just a no-brainer, it seems like. this is what they've been doing, pull up, cast ballots on the spot, hand it over. seen it happen, four or five seconds. >> white house briefing today, fox news correspondent tried to push the lie that colorado is just as restrictive as georgia, didn't go well. >> is the white house concerned that major league baseball is moving all-star game to colorado where voting regulations are very similar to georgia? >> well, let me refute the first point you made. first let me say, on colorado, colorado allows you to register on election day, colorado has
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voting by mail, where they send to 100% of people in the state eligible. application to vote by mail, 94% of people in colorado voted by mail in the 2020 election and they also allow for a range of materials to provide, even if they vote on election day for limited number of people who vote on election day. >> yeah, it's not very similar. sir. if republicans really think colorado is model for them that they would accept, i say let's call it a deal. so much conflict, debate over all this. here's the deal -- every state passes colorado's ballot access laws with bipartisan support or federalize it, new hr-1, law of the land, republicans and democrat vote for it, sign it into law, call it over, all-star game can go back to atlanta and
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donald trump can take his diet coke from behind his phone. democratic secretary of state of colorado, and leader of the georgia african methodist episcopal church. critic of the law. what is your reaction as person who administers elections in your state to see republicans say it's more restrictive than georgia and very similar in the words of that fox news correspond to the georgia law? >> well, thanks for having me on chris, very similar and more restrictive at the same time, i wonder what is going on. my response is that colorado has most accessible elections in the nation, and also considered most secure elections in the nation. would love all voters to have the access we have. vote by mail for all, early voting, same day voter
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registration, automatic voter registration, the results speak for themselves. just had second highest turnout in the nation during the pandemic more coloradoens voted than before in state election and first highest for percentage of eligible people registered, i encourage the leaders in georgia to adopt our model focused on accessibility and security and leave the suppression behind. >> would you take that trade, would you go into universal registration, mailing ballots to everyone, early voting, all of that. >> i would campaign for it, eagerly. >> what do you make of this -- seems to me that republicans initially were caught flat-footed, i think they thought going to pass the bill, big priority for us, not a big deal. they got push back and trying to
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tell people they aren't seeing what they're seeing, we did it to regularize everything and this is all a woke mob. as someone working in the trenches, what do you say to that? >> you know, i believe the governor and many republicans in georgia are living in what i call denial. denial don't even know i am lying. they have convinced themselves what they're saying is true. problem is citizens of georgia know better, and believe me, black and brown people in georgia definitely know better. and we're doing all that we can, we'll fight it and hopefully get it changed. >> secretary griswold, watching this play out in georgia, intensity contested area of political comment, right? even in the last gubernatorial election with brian kemp and stacey abrams, recurring in many
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states. the politics in your state, is this the site of fights? if the republicans took over the state legislature or senate would they move for that or is it settled and understood as way colorado does elections? >> well, that's a great question, chris. we do have bipartisan support of our election model. it was passed in 2013, implemented by my predecessor republican secretary of state. but at the same time, there were six bills introduced this legislative session to take us backwards, undo our vote by mail and force us to throw out ballots not counted on election night, put a lot of the barriers we're seeing attempted put in place across the nation. i think it's really important for viewers to see this is a coordinated attack on voting rights. over 360 bills in 43 state legislatures to suppress the
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american people. and what this is is partisan elected officials trying to choose their voters to keep power instead of voters choosing their elected officials. it's undemocratic and unamerica. we need action by state legislations and federal government. congress must pass the for the people act to make sure all americans have their voices heard. >> one of the points of leverage, a strange political situation in georgia, both houses controlled by republicans, republican governor, entirely dominated, but last three statewide elections they lost, both runoffs and presidential. one of the points of leverage that has been exercised by folks such as yourself and others is to say to corporations headquartered there, delta to coca-cola and others, you need
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to speak out against that, and even calls for boycotts if they didn't. is that something you've been contemplated? wisdom of that? >> last week faith leaders in georgia called for boycott if delta airlines, coca-cola, home depot and others did not speak out against this legislation, we threatened a boycott which was supposed to begin tomorrow. i'm pleased to announce tonight that on april 13th we will be having a meeting with corporate executives from all across the state of georgia and the nation, and hopefully from this meeting we'll be able to get corporate leaders to speak out not only in georgia but across the country. as mentioned, more than 361 pieces of legislation trying to suppress votes and undermine our
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democracy. i believe we'll be able to persuade the corporate leaders to exercise corporate responsibility and do the right thing. >> fascinating politics here. secretary of state, enjoy the all-star game i guess. and bishop, thanks for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. end of the trump administration, trump on a huge pardon blitz from steve bannon to lil wayne and even congress matt gaetz provide to be very interested in pardoning as many people as possible. >> president trump should participate michael flynn, the thanksgiving turkey, 47 himself to his administration officials to joe exotic if he has to. you see from the radical left a blood lust that will only be quenched if they come after the people who worked so hard to animate the trump administration
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with the policies, vigor and effectiveness that delivered for the american people. i think the president ought to wield that pardon power effectively and robustly. >> i remember at the time thinking that's weird thing to say, but that's matt gaetz, why so worked up about pardons for people? why? breaking news from "new york times" that gaetz was lobbying the president for a blanket pardon for himself. michael schmidt broke that story, he joins me life next. s t oohh yeah, that's nice. can i use apple carplay to put some music on? sure, it's wireless. pick something we all like. ok. hold on. what's your buick's wi-fi password? buickenvision2021. oh, you should pick something stronger. that's really predictable. that's a really tight spot. don't worry. i used to hate parallel parking. (all together) me too. hey. you really outdid yourself. yes, we did. the all-new buick envision. an suv built around you... all of you.
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bit of breaking news about republican congressman matt gaetz of florida currently under investigation of sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl. "new york times" is reporting that he asked the white house for a blanket preemptive pardon in last weeks of donald trump's term. asked for pardon for himself, unidentified congressional allies which some trump associates speculate was an attempt to camouflage himself. it was unclear whether mr. gaetz or the white house knew about the inquiry. didn't tell the white house aides he was under investigation for sex crimes when he made the request. "new york times" washington correspondent michael schmidt
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broke this moments ago, joins me now. what did you learn about this request? >> basically it came in in a final weeks of the trump presidency, there was a lot of discussion going on at white house. president was bringing up idea of pardons with associates and confidantes, would you like a diet coke, would you like a pardon? it was being discussed and gaetz went to the white house to ask for a blanket pardon. would have been extraordinary even by the standards of the trump pardons. if you remember, trump gave pardons to all sorts of allies, donors and such. but in the case of gaetz, he had not been charged with a crime, so would be essentially the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free
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card. giving you pardon on all acts, pardon on steroids. white house aides realized this was highly problematic and would set a bad precedent and had odd overture to it. didn't really go anywhere. >> so just to take our minds back to something you did great reporting about at the time and lot of people as well. white house that's almost bizarre for pardons, right? huge, six and seven-figure campaigns for people. >> there was a market for pardons. a market for pardons. >> lot of requests. also the time reporting that you and others in "new york times" and other publications about the president thinking about pardoning himself or his family in this preemptive blanket way, not people who have been charged already, but preemptive and blank-wise. that's in the air at the time that gaetz with proposing this. >> and what is going on at that
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time? federal investigation of matt gaetz is accelerating, they're beginning to do interviews with witnesses, starting to talk to people, the type of things to give off clues to people that something is going on. other thing is, in august, last august, his associate had been indicted for sex trafficking of a minor. someone he had spent a lot of time with, someone who he knew a lot about his activities, and we now know that gaetz is under investigation for having a relationship -- for having is sexual relations with that same girl, so gaetz knows, on the public record, in august of last year, the indictment of this guy for sex trafficking a minor. if matt gaetz was paying attention t was widely reported in florida press at the time,
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would have had some hint something like this was going on around him. >> incredible reporting and thank you for scrambling to join us. >> thanks for having us. >> former congressman from florida and columnist at "washington post." opinion piece on matt gaetz titled this should not happen more than once. huge fan of your writing. but start with you, carlos, here's what i'm puzzling through about this. seems like sources here are pretty good, right? how do you think that's going to play when the news comes out, if you get your way, nothing to see here everyone, just got a blanket pardon for my buddy matt gaetz in congress, that's going to raise red flags it seems to me. >> yeah, chris, if matt gaetz talked to the press or white house officials about a blanket
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pardon, it indicates he was probably worried about something and something was under way and he knew about it. and look, matt gaetz is kind of the perfect example of how people who get caught up in trumpism and trump world, in a lot of ways their lives get ruined and they face major issues. matt gaetz when he arrived in congress, someone a lot of republicans were hopeful would speak to younger generation of conservatives, advocated for cannabis reform, good on criminal justice reform, told republicans to pay attention to environment issues, then rather than being a mouthpiece or voice of younger generations of conservatives, he became the mouthpiece of donald trump, got contaminated in that world. and look he deserves his day in court, to clear the air here and explain what if anything
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happened, but right now things don't look good for him and that happens to a lot of people who get caught up in donald trump's web and donald trump's attitude and mentality and arrogance. >> yeah. does appear he had some interest in younger generations. alexandra, what do you think of the fact -- your column was about this, the behavior of this guy, reporting of showing nude pictures or videos of women he had been with around on the floor, that this was something that people were just scoring into the matt gaetz experience, and not apparently raising many objections? >> no, exactly. i think there's something to be said that hanging over all of this is donald trump shadow and some of the -- echo of the laughter of billy bush. because there's this moment when people decide what's normal behavior. when your colleague comes up to you on the floor of the house
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and shows you nude photo, something that happened apparently not once but multiple times, got me thinking of all the interactions you have when people get to decide what's normal behavior. because in our lives we do things, see how people we do them for respond and put together a picture of how to be in the world. whoever was on the receiving end of that, admittedly a startling thing to get in your office, don't want to underestimate the trauma of that, but whoever got that, said he laughed or did something that made the locker room a little bit bigger. took two people to create the environment where matt gaetz felt was okay to do this. >> that's part of the broader issue. now getting behind-the-scenes anonymous quotes he was a jerk and frat boy and ridiculous.
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and trump people saying talking to him, knew he wasn't a serious person. have you met who you work for? but go along to get along. he was in good with the president, that's it. doesn't matter his character or effective legislator, none of it matters and still won't matter to the people in his district as the trump people keep studiously quiet about this. >> donald trump certainly lowered the standards significantly in our country. and matt gaetz never showed me any images nor talked to me about experiences he may have had, and i haven't heard from anyone who did have those interactions with him, but i can tell you this, there is a lot of room for improving the culture in congress, by the way, across party lines. we need to do a lot to raise standards in this country. if our leaders don't raise their own standards and act in ways that set a good example, we
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can't expect very much else for the country. yes, voters need to raise their standards and pay attention to some of this stuff and care about people's character, but our leaders really, the onus is on them. >> the real breaking moment is the roy moore campaign. multiple underage girls, 14-year-old at court for a custody hearing gets hit on by a prosecutor, 32, and then allegedly, she says, sexually molests her later. you know what, we need that republican seat. if that's not too much to break the backs of people, i don't think anything is -- >> i would like -- >> he almost won that primary. >> go ahead. >> i feel like something will
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break. people come across something, or say after new town, never going to be gun -- i like to think there's some point where people say we can mend it from this place, not starting from good point but can mend it. maybe trickle up, not down, not congress people having more respectful discussions but individuals having them and getting those people in congress instead of the people currently there. and slowly over time humanity will improve. >> that's optimistic. we do the best we can. carlos and alexandra, thank you both, appreciate it. coming up, another big day at the murder trial for derek chauvin, more critical police testimony for the prosecution, and here to talk about today's use of force training testimony, ahead. ead.
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discouraging to find a bunch of corporate ceos getting in the middle of politics. my advice to the corporate ceos of america is to stay out of politics. don't pick sides in these big fights. >> corporate ceos in politics? perish the thought. we pointed out last night it was pretty rich for senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, arguably corporate america's biggest champion in last several decades. today he repeated warning but added an important caveat. >> my warning if you will to corporate america is to stay out of politics. it's not what you're designed for. i'm not talking about political contributions, most of them contribute to both sides, they have political action committees, that's fine, legal, appropriate, i support that. i'm talking about taking a
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position on a highly incendiary issue like this, and punishing a community or a state because you don't like a particular law they passed. i just think it's stupid. >> my word, everyone get that? mitch mcconnell wants corporations to keep giving him money, just doesn't want them taking public opinions on laws and stuff. there's no one more invested in corporations being involved in politics than mitch mcconnell. really not an overstatement. getting corporations political access has been one of his life's projects, destroying everything related to campaign finance reform, using extremely aggressive theory of the first amendment that you can't restrict spending of corporations on advertising or independent expenditures because then you're infringing on their
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>> then took the stand to
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testify that when derek chauvin put his knee on george floyd's neck, it was not authorized restraint. >> authorized restraint technique? >> knee on the neck would be something that happens, use of force. >> understand what circumstances? how long? >> i don't know if there's a time frame, depends on the circumstances. >> what? >> type of resistance you're getting. >> say for example, the subject was under control. and handcuffed, would this be authorized? >> i would say no. >> cofounder and ceo of the center for equity, professor the yale, joins me now. i know you've been involved in officer training particularly around a bunch of issues. as someone who has spent a long time doing that. curious what you thought of watching this sort of series of
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officers in training saying this is not what we train to do. >> so part of what i felt like i was seeing was the professional law enforcement saying please don't pen all of this awfulness on us, we're different from this. think of what we've seen last couple of days, police chief saying it's not okay. training officer responsible for chauvin saying not okay. expert from lapd say not okay. several other officers say not okay. that's unusual thing for trial like this, in the same way that seeing police unions come out almost in unison last summer and say this is not what our profession stands for, this is disgusting, doesn't represent us, was unusual. part of the question is what that will do for this particular trial, part is whether or not the rest of us believe that, writ large of the profession. and that's not going to be
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decided this trial but going forward how we manage public safety. >> that's a great point, exactly what i was thinking watching this today. first point, does strike me that, look, police are star witnesses almost every prosecution, that's how they work. degree to which police are truthful is a site of research, contention, suspicion i think by a lot of lawyers for criminal defendants, but police tend to have a lot of credibility. situation where a number of police, who's who list saying this fellow cop did wrong, got to imagine that's going to land in a certain way with the jury. >> absolutely. you hope it lands with the jury, by the time the prosecution rests its case, going to be able to count the minneapolis police officers who haven't testified against chauvin on one hand. almost a caricature everyone has stood up and said this is wrong.
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after a week where literally everyone who saw it said this is not right, there is no version of the world in which this is okay. yet i'm reminded if we didn't have video evidence of all the minutes and seconds, so many cases go this way and it goes the other way. these defenses have historically worked way more often than they land officers in jail. that's part of what we're witnessing, a rare event because it happened to be captured on camera and world could see it immediately afterward. >> and second point, question of how anomalous this is, i think there's two answers to that. someone who has reported on it a lot and talked to you, clearly one of the most utterly despicable acts i've ever seen a police officer do. but also listening to this, this is how we train, how we slow things down, i've witnessed countless examples of police
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officers using body and force and speeding things up and cracking people's skulls in ways that could not possibly have come comported with the training reflected in the courtroom today. >> you wonder if george floyd goes to hospital and is paralyzed for life but didn't die, same conversation? psychologically traumatized by terrible decisions, are we having this conversation? i get we care as a nation what happens to this officer and other three officers in terms of who was around watching as this man slowly lost the breath to keep him alive, but there really is a shadow trial which is the rest of the darned country. what are we going to do not to hold all of ourselves accountable but prevent the next one? what i hope we're going to be hearing is not just all the things that chauvin did wrong. we saw enough. everyone, literally entire
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minneapolis police department saw enough. question is are we going to talk about what we're going to do to prevent the next one? talk about the places where law enforcement doesn't need to be because there's no amount of training going to prevent someone having a very bad day from doing very bad things and then appealing to the sympathies of folks who didn't see it on tape when somebody else dies. looking to folks in minneapolis, activists there, berkeley, ithaca, the folks dismantling the police department who don't want a $20 bill a death sentence. >> thank you. next, president biden's big vaccine announcement, my interview about the push to help vaccinate the rest of the world. p vaccinate the rest of the world. nooooo...
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no more confusing rules. no more confusing restrictions. my message today is a simple one -- many states have already opened up to all adults, but beginning april 19th, every adult in every state, every adult in this country is eligible to get in line to get a covid vaccination. >> president biden announced today that every american adult will be eligible for the covid vaccine in less than two weeks. he said we're on pace to meet his accelerated goal of getting 200 million shots in arms in his first 100 days. it's pretty incredible. u.s. vaccination rate is five times the world average. 19% of the country is fully vaccinated. averaging 3 million shots in arms every single day. the president already announced last month we have enough doses to inoculate every american adult by the end of may, and that's without the ten of
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million of astrazeneca vaccines that are waiting for fda approval. here's a good idea -- why not give the extra doses away, why not use them to vaccinate the world. not only would it be an incredible gesture of goodwill, but it would help school bus help other people, crucially. the world health organization keeps on pointing out, until everyone is safe from this virus, none of us are. >> some countries are racing to vaccinate their entire countries while other countries have nothing. this may buy short-term security, but it is a false sense of security. the more transmission, the more variants, and the more variants that emerge, the more likely it
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is that they will evade vaccines. >> i'm joined now by dr. vivek murthy, he's the surgeon general of the united states. surgeon general, it's great to have you on. first let's start with the domestic situation outlined by the president today. vaccine production and supply seems very good. outreach seems very good. we're vaccinating a lot of people. there's concerns about case numbers rising, particular variants in michigan. how do you -- the balance between those two things right now? >> chris, it's good to be with you. you're right that we made tremendous progress on the vaccination front. we've delivered vaccines to hundred of millions of people. and we have seen, particularly in the elderly population, our seniors, 65 and up, that 75% of the people have gotten one shot and we've seen deaths in nursing homes plummet. that's all very good news and the cases are only going up in
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terms of vaccinations a day. but we are seeing variants spread more rapid will i and overtake a larger proportion of cases here in the u.s. we know that variant is more transmissible and may be more deadly, so this is a cause for concern, and what we've got to do right now is vaccinate as quickly as possible. if you're watching out there and you get a chance to be vaccinated, make sure you take that shot. we've got to make sure we wear masks and avoid indoor gatherings until everyone is vaccinated. >> i want to talk about the global situation. right now, the u.s. is way ahead of any other country in term of vaccinating. we're doing a very good job. we've got 100 million astrazeneca doses sitting around. there's not even emergency use authorization for the vaccine, right? we've got countries that are
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much poorer than the u.s. -- should biden and the u.s. be prioritizing vaccinating the rest of the world soon when we hit 75%, 80% vaccination of our own population? >> you're raising a critical point here, which is if we want to get over this pandemic it's not how quickly we vaccinate americans, it's how quickly we get to rest of the world. in brazil we're seeing unchecked spread of the virus, and whenever that happens around the country, including here in the u.s., we see a greater chance of variants emerging and those could be variants that evade vaccines, therapeutics. and puts us in a spot. the president is clear they wants to united states to be a leader when it comes to vaccinating the world. covax is going to help them
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purchase. the job is not done yet. we've got a long way to go. there is one specific thing we could play a role in doing and i realize this may be outside your portfolio, but i'm going to ask you as a member of the administration. a lo of countries are asking for the right to manufacture the vaccine themselves and it would require the world trade organization waiving patent protections. the wto would have to intervene to say, look, this is a special case. there's lots of countries in the world that could produce vaccine if they had the intellectual property. the u.s. and other european countries have been essentially blocking that. why shouldn't we be letting countries around the world benefit from this incredible innovation? >> well, chris, i do think that we have to be thoughtful about how we ensure countries around the world have adequate supply and access to the vaccine.
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we have to do it in a way that respects laws as well, and that's part of the discussion, the debate that's under way. one of the lessons we learned from covid -- and frankly it's a lesson we learned from ebola as well -- is that we cannot be safe here at home unless we are secure as a global community, and that means investing in the health and well being and infrastructure in other countries. that means not just access to vaccines but it means good surveillance systems in other countries, good health-care systems and infrastructure so that we can tackle illness once it surfaces. these are all critical parts of the global plan to address future pandemics and that's where we've got to focus our efforts as well. >> vivek murthy, thanks so much for your time. really appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. good to see you again. >> you too. the nationwide vaccination effort is a unique experience we're having as a could you repeat. this week on my podcast i wanted to dig in to all things vaccine.
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there's no one i'd rather talk to than vaccine effort peter hotez. on this week's episode, he lends his expertise to describe everything from the basic of vaccines to, what are they? to their impact on the world. download it wherever you getture podcast. don't forget to subscribe. that's it for "all in." now "the rachel maddow show." >> here is the just posted headline over at "the new york times" right now. quote, matt gaetz, loyal for years to trump, is said to have sought a blanket pardon, and that's not the kind of pardon you need for your blanket. what this means is he was asking a pardon for himself for things for which he's not yet charged. this is the latest development


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