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predicted long ago -- >> and he comes back tomorrow. >> ellis being alive was predicted long ago. willie geist by the 1990s band bush and everything then. i don't believe elvis is dead. >> wow! >> listen to it. it's a great song. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle probably really confused what we're talking about. >> she is. >> but she picks up the coverage. who wouldn't be? i'm confused. now it might be best to turn it over to stephanie ruhle, who picks unthe coverage right now. stephanie? now stephanie? she is confused. hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is tuesday, april 6th. here's what's happening this morning. in the next hour the trial of derek chauvin is set to resume for day seven of testimony. in 30 minutes, the judge will
hear a motion about a potential witness. and next hour the prosecution is expected to call its next witness to the stand. it comes after what was arguably the most consequential day in the trial thus far. the minneapolis please chief taking the rare step of testifying against his own former officer. telling the courtroom that chauvin kneeling on george floyd's neck after he was no longer resisting, and especially once he was no longer responsive, was wrong. >> that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy, is not part of our training, and certainly is not part of our ethics or our values. >> the jury also heard from a minneapolis officer who was in charge of the training division at the time of floyd's death. this was her reaction when she saw the photo of chauvin holding floyd to the ground. >> i don't know what everybody's
position is. that's not the way we train. >> the other key witness who took the stand yesterday was the er doctor who pronounced floyd dead. he undercut the defense's main argument telling the jury he believed floyd died from lax of oxygen, not from drugs. i want to begin this morning in minneapolis, where nbc's shaquille brewster is outside the courthouse. shaq, first, let's talk about the motion around a potential witness. what do you know about this? >> yes, stephanie, it's a motion to squash the subpoena for maurice hall, the passenger in floyd's vehicle at the time of he's arrest. if that name sounds familiar to you, it's because during testimony last week from george floyd's girlfriend, she mentioned mr. hall saying she and floyd purchased drugs from him at one point in the past. and she said the effect of those drugs were unfamiliar before that point. so mr. hall's attorneys filed this motion with the court
asking them to squash the subpoena saying if mr. hall is compelled to testify, he will plead the fifth amendment. we also know that mr. hall, he will appear via zoom because he's currently in custody for a case that's unrelated to this situation. so that is what attorneys will argue and go through this morning when the motions hearing begins. this is part of the normal process, where he this go through some of these more technical issues. mr. hall could be a witness for the defense, so they're going through these technical issues before diving into the testimony as the prosecution continues to lay out its case, stephanie. >> i know the reaction yesterday inside my living room, but take us inside the courtroom. it was a big day for the prosecution. >> a big day for the prosecution, stephanie. you mentioned, it is very unusual to see the chief of police take the stand against one of his former officers. he was not the only officer to take the stand. you saw the head of the training division, you heard last week
from lieutenant zimmerman. all testifying that what they saw on the video in that body camera video of the restraint that derek chauvin was using against george floyd saying it did not comply with policy, expect that to continue later today with a few more people talking about the training that minneapolis police officers receive and use of force. one thing you saw in the courtroom, the two reporters who are inside the courtroom, they say when you heard from the physician talking about it being oxygen deprivation, that's his suspected cause of death, that was a moment you saw the jurors take note of. you also saw them paying close attention when the police talked about the hobble technique, restraint the officers were initially trying to use and the difficulties and dangers of that technique. they say jurors started taking notes without really paying attention to the motions, hand motions police chief was making as he was making eye contact with them and explains what the officers are trained to do and how that was different from what
he saw derek chauvin doing. stephanie? >> thank you. joining us now law professor at nyu, melissa murray. melissa, let's start with the testimony from the er doctor. how significant is it that he said cause of death was lack of oxygen knowing that the defense is going to focus on a character assassination and try to pin this on drug use? >> there's a lot going on here. one of the things that this witness was intending to rebut was the medical examiner's testimony that mr. floyd died because of cardiac arrest. a big question is what is the cause of mr. floyd's death? the defense wants to portray this as something that was part of a pre-existing condition, maybe a cardiac condition that existed before mr. chauvin's conduct or because of intervening drug use. the prosecution is meaning to show it is misconduct that was the substantial cause of mr. floyd's death so the witness
yesterday was really important to towards this towards the whole idea mr. chauvin led to oxygen deprivation and this was, in fact, the substantial cause of george floyd's death. >> it's obviously significant to see the police chief testify against a former officer, but what do you make of the defensive strategy asking the chief how long it's been since he arrested someone, sort of implying he doesn't know what it's like out there in the field? >> this cuts to the whole question of use of force, which is going to be an affirmative defense, that the defense will raise when it has its turn to press its case. the point here was mr. chauvin and all of the officers in the field are making split-second decisions that require constant reevaluation. and what officer air donda observed in that video is he doesn't understand what's going on in the field.
so they wanted to inject the element of doubt that is what is reasonable cannot really be ascertained from sitting at a video while sitting at a desk somewhere far from the scene. >> what are you watching out for as day seven gets under way? >> again, if we see more of these first responder testimonies, i think that's going to be incredibly impactful. yesterday judge cahill chastised the prosecution a bit for having what he called redundant testimony. again another first responder saying this was not the way that one should respond to a situation like this. but again for the jurors to see the constant stream of first responders in uniform saying that this was not what they would have done in the circumstances, i think it's incredibly powerful and i think it plays to the prosecution, which really has an uphill battle here. they have to show beyond a reasonable doubt that george floyd's death was caused by officer chauvin's contact and there was no reasonable use of force here that could be easily explained. the defense has an easier time
just injecting doubt and showing the use of force was feasible. i think we're going to see perhaps more testimony from first responders and, again, more of the case this was all about derek chauvin and his conduct. >> well will all be watching right here on msnbc. melissa, always good to see you. now we've got to turn to the breaking news on the coronavirus pandemic. nbc news has just learned when president biden visits a vaccine site in alexandria, virginia, later today, you will all care about this news, he's moving the target date for all the adults to be eligible for the vaccine from may 1 to april 19th. that comes as the u.s. averages 3 million vaccine shots per day. here's what's puzzling, nationwide cases have continued to increase for a fourth straight week with 60,000 new infections daily. why? and new concerns in texas about what may have been the nation's largest mass gathering during the pandemic, bringing some
40,000 baseball fans together at globe life field in arlington, yesterday. the ballpark was packed. it marked the first major u.s. pro sport event to approach capacity in a stadium since the coronavirus shutdown which, of course, was more than a year ago. i will turn live to priscilla thompson in michigan, a state that has seen an 116% increase in cases over the past two weeks. priscilla 116% sounds scary but up from what? where with they two weeks ago and what's the latest on hospitalizations? >> yes, stephanie, two weeks ago michigan was leading the country in new covid cases. at that time it was around 105% increase over the previous 2 weeks and, of course, now that number is higher. in fact, this weekend the state saw its highest daily count of new cases since december. so those numbers are not moving in the right direction. hospitalizations are up.
the death rate is also trending up and very concerning, of course. this comes after the state began reopening in february and what we've heard from the governor recently is that new restrictions are not going to be the answer to turning this around but the focus really is on making sure folks continue to wear those masks, keep those safety precautions up and getting folks vaccinated, getting those shots into arms. this week michigan did expand vaccine access to anyone over the age of 16, and that is really good news to the doctors and nurses across the state, especially here at sparrow health in lansing. because the majority of cases filling up the hospitals and bring it to almost capacity are younger patients, ages 18 to 49, who are getting sick enough to need to be hospitalized as a result of this virus because they had not had the opportunity to get vaccinated yet.
but, of course, with this increase access to the vaccine comes a question of will there be enough supply to meet the demand? we know the white house is sending 60,000 additional doses here to michigan this week and providers are going to be working to get those into arms as quickly as possible. stephanie? >> priscilla, thank you. joining us now with some invite, dr. kavita patel, former white house policy director for president obama. dr. patel, what do you make of this news, president biden moving up the date to april 19th when all adults should have access to this vaccine, how big of a deal is that? >> good morning, stephanie, it's a huge deal and it can't come soon enough as you're covering this increase in cases and i think you've got a public that obviously just by the displays of gatherings is moving with their feet and we need to get shots into arms. so this is welcome news. now we just need to make sure that these supplies actual
politic it into people's arms as we try to get people immunized. >> but we are getting shots in arms. we're averaging 3 million shots a day. yet in some areas where we're seeing low vaccination rates, the numbers are going up. how do he with tackle that? those are places where people are choosing not to be vaccinated. should we stay shut down in certain cases where people don't want the vaccine? >> no, i think you're hitting on it. there's a lot of talk about vaccine hesitancy but i think it's a multi-proppinged issue by dealing with what the concerns are. some are around safety. some are women of child-bearing age. others are the types of vaccines. just basic questions. you have been talking about michigan, michigan is a case of example in parts of detroit, we see vaccine uptick rate very, very low. the sum of michigan also low for an older age group. you see older patients in that part of the state and younger
patients in that part of the state where schools are reopened, but we do not have mitigation strategies. a lockdown is not the answer but some of the things we talked about here, testing. we've gone down in numbers of tests. that shouldn't go down. we should be encouraging, especially for unvaccinated and even vaccinated people worried about symptoms, tests. and taking on these questions, a lot of my questions are asking very basic facts. they don't want to sign up on a portal and just show up and have nobody who can answer questions. i think there's a way to get through this to get the majority of america vaccinated. it will take a little more elbow grease, which we will have time to do since we're doing 4 million, 3 million shots a day. >> i know it was jarring to see given the year we just had, but what is your reaction seeing the crowded stadium for a baseball game, if those people for the most part are vaccinated. yes, we didn't see too many masks but they are outdoors, is it okay to be taking that step?
>> yeah, so large gatherings outdoors still make me nervous, not because of the actual outdoor quality to your point but, stephanie, i have been to games. people need to go to concession stands. they need to go to the bathroom and you just end up inevitably coming into closer contact than you would like and especially without masks. these variants are giving us a real curveball, stephanie. it's not necessarily the same guidance we thought. they are incredibly infectious and something airborne, you may not be around somebody for 15 minutes to get it. and that's what we are seeing with children and sports teams and those are in much smaller settings. i feel like we're so close to something that is some semblance of normal. probably two to four weeks, especially moving up the eligibility criteria, holding on a little longer seems like not much to ask when we do have an end in sight, not an end of covid entirely but an end where you could gather safely and not worry about the health or risk you're putting someone else's
health in. and that's what we're all concerned about. >> and we all want to gather safely and want to do it soon. dr. patel, always good to see you. we will leave it there. coming next -- i've got to take you to georgia. the fallout of the georgia voting laws has mitch mcconnell we never thought possible when it comes to corporate america. plus, everybody wants to get back to normal but even before the pandemic, that normal wasn't serving women. the new normal we need to get women finally on an even playing field. i will be asking congresswoman katie porter where we need to go, what we need to do. ome and ♪ ♪ you come and go-o-o ♪ ♪ loving would be easy if your colors were like my dreams ♪ ♪ red, gold -- ♪ [ tires screech ] [ crickets chirping ] for those who were born to ride there's progressive. with 24/7 roadside assistance.
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this morning new developments in the fight against georgia voting laws and beyond. they voted this morning the all-star game will be played at coors field after the mlb moved it in response to georgia's election law. this as governor abbott refused to throw out the first pitch of yesterday's rangers home opener because of the mlb move. and now other republicans are weighing in. former president trump releasing a statement saying georgia law didn't go far enough. while minority leader mitch mcconnell is saying something truly extraordinary, that corporate ceos should stay out of politics. joining me to discuss this, eugene daniels, white house
reporter for politico and author politico play book and the political reporter for atlanta journal constitution. and the man who knows georgia best, eugene, there's no elected official in the state of america who clocks corporate dollars and tracks them than mitch mcconnell, cc united. what in the world is he talking about here? >> it's interesting to watch as republicans like mitch mcconnell are fighting with big business when they've been friends of big business for a long time, right? he gave this bill that corporations would invite serious consequences. but republicans don't have the same issue of republicans getting involved in politics when it comes to donations. that level of involvement in politics passes muster for republicans and always had. what we know is donation is always a way to show value, which is what the coca-cola, and mlb and all of these, delta, are
saying. and the quote is had no issue in the past. as republicans have continued to try to fight mostly cancel culture wars, that is where they're going to find themselves. they're going to find themselves in spots where the things they said in the past don't really match up. >> okay, but, greg, the big argue. we always hear is business leans republican. now people are saying business is siding with democrats. that is absolutely not true. business sides with business. look at their stock prices. they do whatever they need to do to keep their customers paying and employees working. does all of this not tell us just where the american people are, not where ceos are leaning politically. >> that is exactly a good point. what you're seeing now is the early stages of a conservative counterpunch to what republicans, eugene just said, that cancel culture. the texas governor refusing to put out the first pitch, state lawmakers in georgia are foregoing free coca-colas in
their office. there's calls to boycott coke, delta, other companies spoke out. how effective this will be remains to be seen. even former president trump after he called for a boycott of coke, he was seen in his office with a coke right behind him in the picture. but there's also a split among democrats over whether these tactics are effective. some are calling for their own boycotts of companies who are staying on the sidelines. others are worried we can make it easier for republicans to paint them and pin the blame on them for any sort of economic fallout. there's a little divide among parties over this right now. >> okay, how about a little too late for the party with the size of hypocrisy? in georgia if these corporations really cared about this issue, it wasn't a surprise. if they really wanted to be activists, why didn't they make these moves before the vote? >> yeah, look, i pulled ten of the top companies in georgia maybe a month ago and it's
almost to a company, the ones that responded at least, kind of gave mild statements about how important fairness and integrity is to the process but didn't have any sort of specific objections to the legislation. so your comments right now, right there, are exactly what democrats in georgia are saying are support, coke and delta didn't come out with their statement when the legislation was signed into law. >> yeah, you want the free press. where were you when it made a difference? eugene, a republican argument here is voting laws are actually more restrictive in a number of democratically controlled state than georgia. does that have any truth in it? >> not really. as usual in the politics it's not as easy as you want it to be. as georgia pointed to food and water and delaware for having a similar will you, but it does not. that section to the state's law is specifically tied to bribery. it doesn't even mention food or
water. new york does have a clause about being not handing out food and drinks nearby polling places but the caveat is that it has to be -- it can happen if it's of little value, less than $1, which water certainly falls under. they also point to colorado, to work and live in three years as having voter i.d. laws but colorado has been looking at the gold standard, more access and boosting turnout, by republicans and democrats for years. they have a vote-by-mail system. and when it comes to voter i.d. laws in the state, they require some type of identification, however, they don't require a picture to be on it. someone can take a utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, really any other government document that shows their name and address. and i think the most important part of this is that these laws that are in any of these states, blue or red that happened before the 2020 election, are not connected to then-president
trump's lie about the election. and that's the problem for republicans here, all of these -- i think it's 360 laws that are being introduced around the country are tied to what president trump said during the election, after the election, that the election was stolen from him, when it wasn't. and that's the problem that voting experts, voting rights law experts and democrats are pointing to, you can't divorce the two. >> former president. we're going to stay on this, gentleman. eugene and greg, good to see you both. before we go to commercial, an update in the state of arkansas where republican governor asa hutchison has veet ioed a bill that would have made the state the first to ban gender affirming medical care including surgery for transgender minors even with parental concept. the governor referred to the bill as a product of a culture war in america and would be a vast government outreach. lgbtq and medical advocates say the veto is a victory for
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this morning president biden's huge infrastructure package got a big boost on capitol hill. the senate parliamentarian just said democrats can use the reconciliation process on two more bills, paving the way for biden's two-part package to pass without a single republican support. but they still need all -- that is all democrats on board to make it happen, which means once again all eyes will be on west virginia senator john manchin. i want to go straight to nbc's garrett haake on the hill. garrett, i read it here democrats are mad at john manchin. he said the proposed tax increase was too much. but do we need to remind our audience if john manchin did not have that seat it would very likely be a republican? west virginia is a deeply red state. yes, he's not an automatic yes, but at least he's willing to play ball. >> absolutely. in this case, john manchin is not alone. there are a number of democrats who have issues with this bill
on many different provisions in it. i think we need to set in our minds this will be a different beast than the $1.129 trillion relief bill that just passed. this will be very intense negotiations. the margins are very small, smaller in the house now. so all democrats have to be on board. the white house wants something and they indicated they know they have to negotiate. and not just with john manchin. as he said on the radio yesterday, he has other senators with him on these tax provisions. take a listen. >> this bill will not be in the same form you have seen people talking about it. the final vote to get on it is not going everywhere. who will have leverage here? it's more than just me. there are six or seven other democrats who feel very strongly about this. >> stephanie, we will flush out over who those democrats are in the coming days and weeks but get ready for a protracted
negotiation about what will be in this bill. new topic, congressman matt gaetz in florida said he will not resign over the federal sex trafficking investigation into him. a, how are members of congress reacting? and b, if he get charged with something, will he be forced to resign? >> i think getting charged with something, getting indicted would be the next major piece in this. gaetz is very much following the playbook of former president trump, whom he was a leading aqua light, casting himself in this and denying all of the essentially accusations levied against hill. he's benefited from the fact congress is out right now. members are back in their districts. they're not being peppered with questions by folks like me and gaetz and what he should do. but there's a fairly notable, if not sigh element, very quiet response from fellow republicans. very few are rushing out to defendant him. a lot of folks are waiting to see exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes and as you mentioned the possibility of a criminal
charge. minority leader kevin mccarthy told our colleague leigh ann caldwell last week, that's what he's looking for. if gaetz gets indicted, that may take a quick turn towards at least pushing him off he's committee, if not towards his resignation. >> garrett, thank you very much. i want to stay in the state of florida. a very different story. one that is giving me nightmares. the ongoing environmental crisis, where hundreds of millions of gallons of wastewater are still threatening homes in manatee county, which is now under a state of emergency. ellison barber is on the ground in palmetto, florida. ellison, i'm having sympathetic panic attacks over our friends and neighbors in manatee counties. what's going on? >> stephanie, there are a lot of concerns here and i will try to break down as much as i can the multiple layers of issues here. but to start right now, state and local officials seem optimistic when it comes to preventing a potential collapse of this damaged reservoir. they say they have gotten the
water down in this damaged reservoir to about 3 million gallons. it's dropped by about a foot. in terms of training that water, which they're draining into the manatee port and tampa bay, they want to drain as much as that as possible to prevent a collapse. obviously, there are environmental questions be concerns about draining that water into the bay. but in terms of the progress they are making, draining it to prevent a collapse right now they seem optimistic in terms of that and honefully preventing a collapse be calf strofic flooding. the state's department of environmental protection says right now they are sampling water at 11 different locations around port manatee and the adjacent coastlines. and a spokesman told me from the department, and i'm quoting from an email, all water quality results received today meet water quality standards. i asked for a sample process and some of the testing they're doing and i have not gotten ak
to that so far. but this is a story with a whole lot of layers. there's immediate concern about the possibility of this reservoir collapsing and damaging homes, potentially jeopardizing human life. then there are also questions about why things got to this point despite decades ever well-documented issues and concerns with this idle phosphate plant. and then there are also environmental questions. so state and local officials continue to say this water is not radioactive but the water they are pumping into the bay, stephanie, it is contaminated. that water has levels of nitrogen and phosphorus. why that's a concern for water and marine life is high levels of those nutrients can lead to harmful algae blooms that can lead to things like red tides. stephanie? >> ellison barber, we're going to stay on this story. stay safe where you are now we've got to turn to wall street, where markets
opened just under five minutes ago. up big, close to 400 points a day after the dow and s&p both closed at record highs, after, of course, a blowout jobs report and some signs of a smoother economic recovery. i want to go straight to cnbc market reporter frank hollins. for example, vaccine rolling out, states rolling back regulations, jobs coming back, plus obviously lots of stimulus money pumped into the system. does wall street simply think sky is the limit? >> you know what, stephanie, you know very well wall street say bit fickle. today maybe they do, maybe they don't. it's early in the trading day. we're going to find out when it comes to the stock reaction. but yesterday it looks like everyone felt like we would have a great reopening. the animal spirits they were called are very bullish. dow and s&p 500 both closing at new record highs. nasdaq within 4% of its all-time high. one other data point i want to highlight, it doesn't get talked about a lot, the dow transports. when it comes to the traditional dow, those are 30 blue chip
stocks, sometimes called irrelevant, some people put a lot of weight on them. depends who you are. but that's airlines, trucking, trains, logistics, that all hit a new all-time high yesterday. it's a clear science wall street sees us both traveling and buying online, and a recovery where people have the money to do both. >> let's talk about janet yellen. yesterday she started pushing this idea of a global minimum tax rate. that's in response to the infrastructure bill that would include a corporate tax hike. we're hearing from multi national companies, they would be at a disadvantage if they had to pay the u.s. tax rate. she wants this minimum tax rate to even the playing field and simply say we need to stop this race to the bottom where companies are seeking tax havens. >> great idea in theory. but how in the world does this work? you're never going to see china or russia play, countries that market themselves as tax havens, that's how they get business. >> right. stephanie, i think you really
summed it up. the goal of the minimum tax score, companies shopping for the best tax around the world, and moving their business. really, what we care about, from the u.s. to other nations. talking about this google and facebook have their european headquarters in ireland. not london or germany, biggest economy in europe, but ireland, largely because of tax reasons. a very favorable tax situation there. you mentioned china and russia, they likely won't play along. they're both g20 nations. that is the group that yellen and the administration are really trying to open up to this idea. they're all major economies. maybe a lot of hard-nosed there but certainly something they can try. it's a politically difficult idea when the world is coming out of a pandemic and looking for more revenue and a lot of these countries would love for some multi national corporation to move there. at least on yellen's helped, this is coming as you mentioned the biden administration is proposing to raise the corporate tax rate in the u.s. from 21% to
28% as part of the infrastructure plan. kind of a two-sided battle here to sort of raise our corporate intertax rates to raise money for this and get other companies to not be so competitive and steal companies from the u.s. >> the question will be why on earth would they do that, especially those european companies? they want any business they can possibly get. >> absolutely. >> janet yellen is widely respected but she's got no lover to pull here. we have breaking news in minneapolis. we have to go chauvin trial. the motions have begun. they're deciding if george floyd's friend who was in the car with him will testify in the trial. coming up next -- more than 12 million women lost their jobs during the pandemic. congressman katie porter joins me after the break on what we need to do not to get back to normal but to create a new normal, a better economy for women. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away.
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now to our new series "the american worker." all week long we're taking a closer look at how the pandemic has changed our workplaces, and that includes the disproportionate impact it has had on women. eleanor fernandez was laid off when the pandemic began. >> i have been working since i was 16 years old. >> she says the job she found don't pay enough to support her family so the risk isn't worth it. >> my health and safety is more important than just making money. i want to work. i do. but i want to be safe at the same time for my family as well. >> more than 12 million women lost their jobs during the pandemic, and over 4.5 million have not returned to the workforce. kathy deutsche spent 17 years building her women's clothing store in new york, but covid changed everything. >> people just stopped shopping. it was just a complete like
bottom falling out. >> she tried everything to keep it afloat. >> we want to show you we are adhering to cdc guidelines. >> but business dried up and a 64-year-old made the painful decision to close for good. have you ever been in a situation like this before? have you always worked? >> i have always worked. i have always liked to have ga ton mie and my own finances, to be an independent woman, so not only financially but emotionally difficult not to have that. >> for women, the unemployment rate is 5.7%. for black and hispanic women, it's higher. but the growing economy could present opportunities, especially for women. should we not just aim to get back to normal? >> we for sure should not get back to normal. the normal was not serving us well. >> women make 82 cents to every dollar paid to black men. for black men it's 63 cents. for latinas, 55. advocates are pushing for more equal pay, more access to
affordable childcare, paid family and medical leave and skills training geared towards women in fields like infrastructure and technology. >> some of these good jobs are jobs where women haven't been because they've been unwelcomed and we have to flip that on its head. >> as the job market improves, women are hoping this time it's more of an equal playing field. joining us now, democratic congresswoman from the state of california, katie porter. congresswoman, if you and i had a dollar every time we talked about the gender pay gap, we could put all of our children through private colleges in a blink. how can we realisticty address this and create a new normal, not idealistic one, realistically, what can we do? >> we need to be making our voices heard and asking the president to do what he's -- excuse me. that's my first sneeze on air, i apologize! we need to ask the president to do what he promised, which is make childcare and investing in
women a priority. that's what he promised. now he needs to deliver. we have seen in part one of this infrastructure package sort of calling the jobs package, a title i don't like, is a focus on, frankly, jobs that are predominantly male and the good-paying jobs in that package are predominantly male. construction, engineering, transit, all of those jobs. what happened to the investment in childcare? what happened to the investment in paid family leave? what happened to those things? they're coming in part two, which they're calling the families plan. but to be clear, if women don't have childcare, parents don't have childcare, they can't go to work. just as much as a worker who can't go to work if they don't have a road. >> what makes you think that's not going to happen? these childcare centers are essential and they're not just for kids ages 0 to 5. we need to figure this out for kids from 0 to 18 because there are virtually no high-paying
jobs that align with a school schedule nine months out of the year. >> yep. and you and i both know we don't want to leave our boys alone at home because things happen when we do that. and so -- >> i won't be able to afford my groceries. >> exactly. so i think part of it is to really understand that this is a little different than the repair the roads. this is something we've never done well in the united states. this is the major difference. when you look at our economy and the economy of other countries around the world, this is the single major place the united states has never delivered for the american people. and that's how we need to talk about it. childcare is not something that we do for parents, it's not something we do for women. it is not something we do for children. stephanie, it's something we do for our economy, just as much as investing in broadband or investing in bridges or investing in engineering or manufacturing, that's what childcare is.
so the goal here isn't to return to, quote, normal. the goal here is to make the investment that is 50 or 60 years overdue in our economy, which means making sure that everyone, regardless of whether they're a parent, regardless of whether they're a man or woman, can go to work, work hard, thrive and succeed. that's an economic issue. >> and since we've needed to do this for 50 or 60 years, i would never say the pandemic is an opportunity, but is there a silver lining here, and what it has exposed gives us a reason and potentially a budget with this jobs, infrastructure plan, to actually do something about a problem that existed for years? >> there's absolutely an opportunity here with this infrastructure package and we have a president in joe biden who ran on the concept of childcare as infrastructure. the care economy as a thing. it's a great opportunity. but now he needs to make it happen.
and by putting it in the second plan, i'm afraid there's a suggestion that the things in the first plan are, quote, about jobs. and the things in the second plan are, quote, about family. the white house's own terminology. i would like to see childcare be in the first plan. i'm eager to see it come out and when it does we need to make sure it is not a second class policy position in is a top priority just like infrastructure. period, full stop, we have to make the investment. women are participaing in the workforce at the lowest level since 1988 since i was in eighth grade. that will hold back our economic recovery. if you care about our economy, if you're a ceo. someone that never has kids and never wants them, and i would not blame you at this point in the pandemic, you still need to speak up to support childcare
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argument. his attorney is saying that it is aterting his fifth amendment protections. he said in court that it is legitimate to ask mr. hall how mr. floyd appeared in the back of that vehicle. questions about his behavior. the judge just said seconds ago that it would be improper for the defense attorney to ask mr. hall these questions. >> we're going to stay on that breaking news throughout the day. i'm stephanie ruhle, hallie jackson has breaking coverage, next. ruhle, hallie jackson has breaking coverage, next i was there, just not alws where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so.
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