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at mar-a-lago to run an audit how he's using the hundreds of millions he's grifted off his supporters. nothing getting in the way of him doing this. >> thank you tim. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. good evening, i'm ali velshi in for brian williams, day 76 of the biden administration, following several important developments on the pandemic and the president's infrastructure plan. but first more critical testimony in the murder trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin. jurors heard from the emergency doctor who tried to save floyd's life and from police chief arradondo. asked at what point should the restraint against floyd had
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ended. >> once mr. floyd had stopped resisting, and certainly once he was in distress and trying to verbalalize that. that should have stopped. there's an initial reasonableness in trying to just get him under control in first few seconds, but once there was no longer any resistance and clearly when mr. floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back, that -- that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy, it is not part of our training, and it is
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certainly not part of our ethics or our values. >> we're going to have much more on the significance of today's testimony. on the pandemic front, covid cases are rising as more states roll back restrictions. more than 38,000 fans crowded into stadium in arlington to watch the texas rangers home opener against the toronto blue jays. it's the largest crowd at u.s. sporting event in more than a year. united states has been averaging around 64,000 new cases a day of the virus past week. cdc says a 7% increase from the week before. just today over 65,000 new cases were reported and more than 400 deaths. there have now been more than 560,000 covid deaths in the united states. this morning the cdc director rochelle walensky warned of new outbreaks tied to children.
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>> we're learning many outbreaks in young people are related to youth sports and extracurricular activities. according to cdc guidance these should be limited. if they are not, risks of clusters can be prevented with cadence testing strategies as are being rolled out in different places. >> good news on the vaccine distribution front, had the highest one-day total since the rollout now. then fallout for congressman matt gaetz. doj investigators are investigating whether he had a sexual relationship with 17-year-old girl, he denies wrongdoing adding that folks
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won't be surprised bizarre claims are made about me after i decided to take on most powerful institutions in the beltway, establishment, the fbi, the biden justice department, cheney political dynasty and the justice department under trump. he's not resigning. president biden is upping the pressure for his infrastructure package, some in his party pushing back. senator joe manchin said would not support corporate tax rate going up to, should be 25%. it's being hit from all sides. proposal has been panned by republicans for significantly raising corporate tax rates and denounced by some liberals as insufficient for the scale of the problem posed by climate change. earlier today biden was asked about his infrastructure plan. >> i'm going to push as hard as
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i can to change the circumstances so we can compete with the rest of the world. compete with the rest of the world. everybody around the world investing billions in infrastructure, we're going to do it here. >> with that, leadoff guests this monday night, michael schmidt, pulitzer prize winner for "new york times," one of the first to report on gaetz. julie pace, washington bureau chief for associated press, and dr. irwin who advises us on public health. good evening, start with you, julie, and infrastructure plan. there's been a development. it was dependent upon the senate parliamentarian to determine whether or not a plan like this could pass with 50 votes or needed 60.
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come down in fashion that supports president biden's plan. >> and that's really significant because biden needs basically to keep his whole party together, democrats in that narrow majority they have, and that could end up being enough for him. i do think it's really important as we think about infrastructure, that is going to be a longer process than the covid relief bill earlier this year that sped along quickly. this is going to take a lot of negotiation, yes, biden will try to do negotiations with republicans but you referenced senator manchin, a lot has to happen within the democratic, even with the parliamentarian ruling this way. >> dr. redlener, i want to play what dr. michael osterholm told us is going to happen with the pandemic. we'll talk on the other side. >> we will see in the next two weeks the highest number of cases reported globally since
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the beginning of the pandemic, in terms of the united states, we're just at beginning of the surge, haven't begun to really see it yet. >> irwin, i lost track when he said that, sunday on "meet the press," the days blur for me. we spoke this weekend as well. warning of the highest number of cases globally since beginning of the pandemic, seeing increase almost all across the country. >> yeah. ali, i'm not surprised what michael was saying. all of us are very worried, a bunch of reasons for this. crazy juvenile behaviors of unauthorized frat parties which couple weeks ago caused 180 students at duke to get tested positive and had to shut down the campus. wild goings on at florida beaches for spring break. more disturbing are the official inappropriate relaxations of
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public health guidelines, the game by the texas rangers in completely packed full stadium was the governmental equivalent of crazy antics during spring break. inappropriate and reckless, and we're about to see a monster of a surge, not even counting what we might see from variants of the virus that will be a terrible challenge to the vaccines and our public health control methods. we have a lot to worry about, it's coming right up. >> i was intrigued to read matt gaetz's op-ed in the washington examiner today, seemed almost trumpian, his defense. said his accusers were not telling truth but named all sources of forces rallies against him in washington. >> yeah. i mean gaetz really so far
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taking a trumpian playbook to the scandal that has unfolded in the past week, in that piece attacking the media, saying it was because he's stood up to the swamp as you were quoting earlier in the program. in many ways it's not surprising, a lot of people closest to the president when they've gotten in trouble have tried to behave like the president, use the tactics he successfully used. one of the biggest differences is when donald trump was president, because he was president, he had so many more powers to essentially obstruct investigations and protect himself. matt gaetz obviously does not have that as member of congress. he's tried very hard to create distractions from this story, and interestingly, listening for what you don't hear, there's not
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been a ground swell of support from his colleagues, his republican colleagues in the house or on television. and you know, that remains to be seen whether matt gaetz will have to suffer a political consequence, how long the republicans stay with him. if he were to be indicted he would come off his committee assignments but we're early on in this federal investigation so it's not really clear. >> julie, let's talk about the situation at the border, there's polling that indicates that biden's having trouble across the country in approval rating how he's handling things. 24% approve of his job of handling the border, 40% disapprove and 35% neither. what do you make of it? >> this is from the a.p. and
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partners at nrc. what is interesting to this polling is it's in contrast to the polling around biden's handling of the pandemic and overall job performance. had 60% overall approval rating, 73% approval rating on pandemic, half of republicans support his handling of the pandemic but when you look at handling of immigration, gets much more partisan, republicans overwhelmingly disapproving. democrats more in favor but with skepticism about the situation. this is why you're trying to see republicans push this issue over all else. feel this is a weakness and they can take advantage of the politics of immigration. biden would rather focus on the pandemic given that the vaccine is rolling out more smoothly now and decent chunk of republicans support his handling of the pandemic at this point. >> it's interesting poll, nearly
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as many people don't have opinion on it as disapprove. third of the people polled don't have opinion on the matter. to what do you attribute that? >> i think people are still waiting to form opinions of the biden administration. saw this on a range of issues. sense that people are waiting a little bit. maybe some of that is giving biden a chance to figure out what his policy is. only in office 70-something days as you mentioned. what the biden administration and what the republicans are going to try to do is shape the numbers. people who don't have opinion yet, they're the targets to shape in the coming days and weeks. >> and julie talks about biden doing better in terms of approval with pandemic response, you're an expert on kids, we had cdc director come out and talk about the possibility that virus is being spread by kids.
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also had good results in vaccine trials as they relate to people under 16 or 18 depending on the vaccine we're talking about. >> yeah, right. i think we do have things to worry about not at all clear from the evidence, including how much children are transmitting and how important it will be there are variants out there that might in fact be more dangerous to children, we have to wait and see. lot of information we don't know yet about the variants. but there's a lot going on here. but it's interesting that you're pointing out, ali, the president continues to do very well on polling with respect to the pandemic than on the immigration issue. by the way that immigration issue as far as unaccompanied minors and children are concerned, it's third rail for anybody because the problems are so vexing and difficult to solve. but something more straightforward, that's good, dealing with the pandemic.
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lots of challenges but entirely different kind of issue. >> it's interesting that you say that. pandemic's possibly easier to deal with than the concept of unaccompanied minors. it's how we met, talking about asylum seekers and refugees in another part of the world and your area was the children, not at u.s. but in europe and in the middle east. what's your take on what should be happening? >> on the border? yeah, i mean i think we have to really amp up ability to place unaccompanied minors all over the country. i was proposing that every state be asked to take between 500 and 1,000 to relieve the pressure on the border. then work on the root causes of why they're coming here, why families are coming here. there's a lot we have to know about the push and pull of people coming across the u.s. southwestern border.
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very difficult problem with lots of ins and outs and root causes we can't seem to get handle on. for immediate term, i think we ought to be imposing on every state to take a number of kids and keep them safe until they're permanently placed. might be a way to defuse the tension on the border run by border patrol and i.c.e. >> with these issues that republicans in washington have to deal with, the pandemic, immigration, the issue of the infrastructure bill, how do they avoid becoming consumed either by matt gaetz issue or other side with governor abbott in texas and kemp in georgia with the corporate actions in georgia against the voting actions? >> if you look at rhetoric
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they've tried to use during the biden administration, they've struggled to find a way of attack the president. a way of underlining him. the economy moves he's taken, the pandemic moves he's taken, have been popular with the american people. it doesn't seem like the republicans really want to come and work with this president. so it's left them issueless and rudderless. fallen back on arguments about cancel culture. matt gaetz has painted himself as a victim of the media and these larger forces at work in washington. so i still don't think they know what they want to do and who they want to be in the post trump presidency era. obviously the former president trump still looms largely over them. they're incredibly loyal to him.
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look like they're still trying to follow his playbook, but i think it's going to take many more months to see really where they can gain traction. and how they can really try and reassert themselves. without controlling the white house, or congress, they -- it's been a struggle. >> thank you to the three of you, michael schmidt, julie pace and dr. irwin redlener. we appreciate your time. coming up, most significant day in trial of former cop derek chauvin. and says the battle for america's future involves gladiators. "the 11th hour" just getting under way on a monday night. way. on beach day.
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it is my firm belief that the one singular incident we will be judged forever on will be our use of force. and so while it is absolutely imperative that officers go home at end of their shift, we want to ensure you're community mem members go home too. sanctity of life is absolutely vital that that is the pillar for our use of force. >> that's the minneapolis police chief that testified that derek chauvin absolutely violated
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policies. chief didn't see this image but he later saw it up close. >> community member had contacted me, and said chief, almost verbatim, chief, have you seen the video of your officer choking and killing that man at 30th and chicago? so once i heard that statement, i just knew it wasn't the same milestone camera video that i had saw. >> for more we welcome to the broadcast former assistant u.s. attorney, veteran of the doj's
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office of legal policy and advised joe biden during the obama, and civil rights attorney, a former president of the minneapolis chapter of the naacp and scholar on racial justice. we believe she was also community member who alerted the police chief of the bystander video to which the chief responded. nakima, you communicated this to the chief, that video the rest of the world was starting to see. >> on the evening of memorial day, i got a facebook tag from a woman who lost her husband to police violence letting me know, so i reached out to the chief and asked, he said to his knowledge someone had died as
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result of -- taken into custody, the extent of what he knew. i went back to social media, commented per the chief's comments and said we need to see video of what happened. next thing you know, same woman tagged me in the bystander video that's now been seen around the world. i then called the chief and told him he needed to see that video immediately. >> what do you make of the police chief's testimony? it's just unusual in a case like this. police chief has come out and said everything that prosecutor has said in opening statement a week ago is not true, he was not trained nor authorized to do what he did to george floyd. >> it is a very big deal to have officers testifying against their own, and here a supervisor testifying against one of his own. i think what it speaks to is the horror of what people witnessed
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in this bystander video. it broke down that blue wall of silence, that conscience requires taking a stand and speaking out and telling the truth. it's a big deal so many officers are taking the stand and being clear, no, this is not consistent with our training, what we're charged to do and what a community expects of us. >> and nekima, you've seen a number of police officers, and this police chief thought to be good to start with. one of the problems with minneapolis police has been union leadership and how they prevent change and progress, that continues after this. regardless of what happens to derek chauvin, do things change in minneapolis, a place fraught with bad policing for a while? >> one of the things that changed recently as result of
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community pressure was former president of the police federation, a trump supporter who helped foment hate and negativity, called black lives matter a terrorist group and defended killer cops, he was forced to retire in january after intense community pressure. even went to his home and protested outside of his home in the suburb about 20 minutes from minneapolis. that's a huge shift. beyond that, i think that the chief is setting the tone for the rest of the department as well as chiefs across the nation to use their voices to speak up, to challenge the status quo, and say what will and will not be tolerated within the minneapolis police department. this is unprecedented and it needs to happen time and again with police chiefs across the country. >> i want to underscore this is
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still the prosecution's case, not gone to the defense yet. defense did lay out elements of its case and lot of it does depend on the idea that derek chauvin was trained to do and authorized to do, use the force that he used. today heard from inspector katie blackwell, a police training commander, known derek chauvin for 20 years, let's listen to what she said. >> use of force policy has to be consistent within pd training. neck restraint is compressing one -- we train one arm or two to do a neck restrain. >> how does this differ? >> i don't know what improvised position that is. that's not what we train. >> remarkable, i don't know what improvised position that is, it's not what we train.
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directly contrary to what the prosecution said the jury is going to hear and understand. they now have the police and training inspector -- >> and you're referencing the defense opening statement, defense saying it. >> you're right, i'm sorry. >> but this puts a huge hole in the defense case. we have to remember though, standard isn't that defense has a burden, burden really does just lie with the prosecution, technically the defense don't have to put forward a case. burden completely lies on the prosecution. but when you choose to put forward a case as they did, this testimony is devastating. it's clear coming from their own that this is not consistent with training. and i think bottom line what this shows us, training is not going to solve the issues. in order to truly get justice
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and make sure we don't continue to have the killing of unarmed black people by law enforcement, we're not going to train our way out of this problem, it's going to require deep, systemic change. >> absolutely. >> and that's not something that trial itself is going to solve. thanks to both of you for being with us. matt gaetz says he's not a monk but not a criminal either. question is, can he still be a congressman? two veteran observers weigh in when "the 11th hour" continues. when "the 11th hour" continues this is ours. the lexus is. all in on the sports sedan. lease the 2021 is 300 for $369 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. [sfx: psst psst] lease the 2021 is 300 for $369 a month for 36 months. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! all good
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as we mentioned top of the broadcast, florida representative matt gaetz remains defiant, absolutely not stepping down, end quote. in op-ed in the washington examiner makes this assertion. i'm sure partisan crooks in mare merrick garland's justice department want to pervert the truth and go after me, i will not be disported. battle for america's future requires gladiaters i'm going to fight every single day. but this investigation started while bill barr was the attorney general under trump. kimberly atkins of wbur and the
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boston herald, one of the cohosts of "sisters in law" podcast, and a.b. stoddard, good evening to you both. a.b., matt gaetz came out swinging at literally everybody, establishment, fbi, merrick garland's justice department, the cheney political dynasty, and targeted everybody but trump who has not chimed in yet, what do you make of that? >> matt gaetz is learning hard way that everything he's heard for years about trump's loyalty going one way is really true. he's said nicer things about roy moore than his silence about matt gaetz is translating. but true in the discussion you
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were having before, this op-ed is the handbook of donald trump. matt gaetz like donald trump is a rich kid whose dad took care of his problems. you can tell in his interviews with tucker carlson and this op-ed, he really believes he can just talk his way out of this problem. that he has a right too. but the line in the op-ed that is so telling about this era and how much trump has changed the party is that line where he says they're not coming for me, they're coming for you. >> right. >> that's exactly what trump tells his voters. tomorrow they're going to bust through your door and accuse of you sex trafficking. and believe me, they have the power to ruin your life. that's the theme of matt gaetz's response, defy, double down, deny, dismiss and tell the
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voters i'm fighting for you, i'm going to be fine but they're going to destroy this country and destroy you. you know, you can see by the way that after -- how badly the fox interview went that he would even write this op-ed is indicative of the fact he want tosses keep talking. i don't think this is the last time we'll hear from him. >> kimberly, it's strange, you were trained as lawyer, this is just weird, defiance or death of shame. either there's investigation and something there or isn't, i don't know who would have told matt gaetz this is the right approach but for him it's working at moment. >> he believes so anyway. if i were a defense attorney and he were my client i would advise him to say nothing because anything he says can and will be used against him. what we heard in the tv legal shows is absolutely true. a.b. is right, we're on the same
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wavelength, maybe because we share a birthday. but what you see here is a through line that begins in locker room talk, that infamous statement by donald trump was dismissed as locker room talk and first thing i thought of was roy moore, donald trump created the playbook, stand by, deny and as long as you're denying it, just push through and try to withstand the political fallout. that's exactly what you're seeing matt gaetz doing even though donald trump himself is not defending him here. it really -- there was a time not long ago this would have ended a political career, charges this serious, would have ended a political career. that is no longer the case, and this turnaround game, putting it back on democrats, cancel culture, all this other stuff that's nonsense, it's just attack mode. that is what republicans have
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right now. >> a.b., what is happening, what is the party preparing for in terms of its response either as a party or in terms of congressional leadership, what are they thinking right now? >> kevin mccarthy, house minority leader, wants to wait until the facts come out. all waiting to see what donald trump will say about matt gaetz to be sure, but not going to take action on his committee assignments until and unless there's some kind of indictment or -- you know, the facts come down in ways they can no longer dismiss. but you know, you only have two people defending him, everyone else staying silent. he doesn't have a lot of friends in congress, he's made that clear himself over the last couple of years that he's this outlier, and he loves it. but just don't see anyone
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standing up the way that kimberly describes in the old days, they would say when asked by local press or by voters at home, of course this is extremely distressing, hope it's not true. everyone is mute and not saying anything because there's no longer a threshold or level of intolerance after donald trump that republicans adhere to. everything goes. and so i think that's why you hear the silence. i think he'll be here a long time until there's an actual legal outcome. >> both of our guests have kindly agreed to stay a bit longer. coming up, despite the growing costly fallout, georgia's governor refuses to back down on the voting restrictions he signed into law when "the 11th hour" continues. s .
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there's a big lie under way that somehow voter restrictions were enacted by the georgia legislature the other day. that didn't happen. it didn't happen. and i found it completely discouraging to find a bunch of corporate ceos getting in the middle of politics. my advice to the corporate ceos of america is stay out of politics. >> top republicans pushing back against corporate outrage surrounding gop voter suppression efforts. more than 200 corporations issued a joint statement denouncing republican efforts to restrict voting rights. has gop leaders very upset. governor greg abbott refused to throw out first pitch tonight.
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some of the many most restrictive rules in the country. this got serious fast, i want to remind people most of corporate america did not move on this until threatened by organizers of voting right efforts in georgia to get on the right side of it. number of corporations came out with wrong statements initially. then after it was signed into law they piled on. it is interesting. nbc headline, culture wars strain once unshakeable bond between republicans and corporate america. hearing now minority leader saying advice to corporate ceos is stay out of it. they've typically not wanted corporate ceos to stay out of it. >> no, they haven't, been very protective until in this case corporate ceos are acting out of the interest of their bottom lines and the interest of the values they want to express when that goes against republicans.
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again this is an exercise in the free market, free marketplace of ideas and companies acting in way they think is responsible, but republicans love that idea until it's against them. i was really struck by mitch mcconnell calling the outcry over these very restrictive voting laws, let's be clear, restrictive voting laws, codified voter suppression, and calling the fact we're calling it that the big lie. when the big lie is what donald trump told all of his millions of followers that there was fraud. it's very republican election officials in places like georgia that had to call donald trump out and said no, election was carried out without fraud. but because people are so upset about it now, we have to impose laws, when courts have found a lot of these laws, restrictive
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voter i.d. laws are quote/unquote surgically, strategically, with surgical precision to try to suppress the votes particularly of black and brown folks. we see it for what it is, but seeing republicans try to twist themselves in knots, make it into something different. >> we've seen corporate pressure on states when they've up with laws that ceos decide is not good for business. indiana with mike pence, north carolina with the transgender bathrooms, but governor kemp, is not backing down for the moment what he had to say. >> in the middle of a pandemic, major league baseball put the wishes of stacey abrams and joe biden ahead of the economic well-being of hardworking georgians who were counting on the all-star game for a paycheck. georgians and all americans
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should know what this decision means, it means cancel culture and partisan activists are coming for your business. >> don't worry about me, they're coming for you next. kemp and others misjudging the mood right now? >> i think both sides are. stacey abrams and joe biden were not on the same page on a boycott, a consequential and dramatic act with ripple down unintended consequences that are going to affect small business minority owners and people that they want to protect. that messaging was a mistake. corporations, why didn't they get involved before the bills were passed, why after? and look at republicans and brian kemp is sensing opening there, so feeling this is a good
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position to be in as someone trying to run for governor next year with a target on his back from donald trump. he's appealing to republicans in his state and some at any point voters who think this is wrong thing to do, to boycott -- boycott's effect in the end, like i said workers, that's a false choice and bad move. so taking advantage of the division within the democratic party. on the other hand, on the republican side, i don't think -- i think they're trying to roar very loudly, including governor abbott because this is the culture war of the moment and resonates so much with their voters, but i don't see republicans are going to carry through on threats to retaliate through government power in the private sector to try to take away antitrust protections. are they at the same time actually protecting corporations
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and imposing biden's infrastructure proposals? of course they are. where are their contributions going to come from in the future? do they really believe they can generate them from small dollar donors like trump does once he's out of the picture? i don't think so, both are grappling with unintended consequences from the positions they're taking in the moment. >> thanks for your analysis. coming up, the importance of good infrastructure just got real for folks in florida. more when "the 11th hour" continues. you're on it. staying fit and snacking light? yup, on it there too. you may think you're doing all you can to manage type 2 diabetes and heart disease... ...but could your medication do more to lower your heart risk? jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so, it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. and it lowers a1c.
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you may pay as little as $10 per prescription. ask your healthcare provider about rybelsus® today. what does that get you -- >> that gets you a coke or a pepsi. one or other, it would have to be. any other cola companies i should mention? but it gets you something. >> all right. the last thing before we go tonight brings us back to the intersection of business and politics. on the business side, we have a tangible cultural touchstone. in the early 20th century, coca-cola challenged glass makers to create a bottle so distinct that you would recognize it by feel in the dark. the result of that search is a bottle with a look and a feel that is synonymous with the
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brand itself. a shape so famous, it's been immortalized in art. and a shape that we know is well known by the nation's only twice-impeached former president. trump's love of diet coke was given special attention by "the washingtonian." in a piece detailing the instructions about serving the former president. the server was to hold a long neck bottle opener by the lower third of the handle in one hand, and the diet coke also by the lower third in the other. once poured, the drink had to be placed at the president's right-hand side, repeat until potus departs. you can imagine the sadness when coca-cola called out georgia republicans for their attack on voting rights. thus forcing 45 to boycott the
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coca-cola company and call for his backers to do the same. but did he really do both of those things? we know he told the maga faithful to call it quits with coca-cola, but did he? today, he visited an office that is not oval shaped and shared this photo. leaving a lot of people asking, what is that hiding behind the telephone on the desk? well, what do you think it is? that's our broadcast for this monday night. with our thanks for being with us, on behalf of all my colleagues on the networks of nbc news, good night. we're happy to have you here. a big show for you tonight. the chair of president biden's council of economic advisers is here tonight. cecilia rouse. this will be her first interview on this show. looking forward to talking with her.

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