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that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. my colleague alicia menendez picks up the coverage right now. thanks, reverend sharpton. i'm alicia menendez. the battle lines are being drawn on capitol hill over president biden's $2 trillion infrastructure and jobs bill. this morning transportation secretary pete buttigieg said now is the time to put this plan into motion. >> once in a lifetime. i don't think in the next 50
years will we see another time where we have this combination of demonstrated need, bipartisan interest, and a supportive president who is committed not just to the infrastructure itself but to the jobs we're going to create. and in a surprise to no one, republicans are trying to pick the plan apart. >> uh, when people think about infrastructure, they're thinking about roads, bridges, ports, and airports. that's a very small part of what they're calling an infrastructure package that does so much more than infrastructure. >> yes, the legislation does go beyond bridges and tunnels and roads. it looks to bolster internet access, caregiving, and america's schools, all things needed for our society to operate. but if democrats are looking toward the future, republicans are stuck in the past. the 2020 elections, to be specific. they're still fuming over those results and continuing to
introduce new legislation to limit access to the ballot box. we're not just talking about georgia. 108 new restrictive election bills have been introduced in 47 states. look at that map. it's all just happened in the last five weeks, bringing the total to 361 potential new bills according to the brennan center. from voting rights to infrastructure and all the bipartisan bickering in between, there is plenty to keep lawmakers busy on capitol hill. with me now, msnbc political contributor eugene daniels, politico's white house reporter and co-author of "political playbook." lauren gambino, senior political correspondent at "the guardian." tia mitch, washington correspondent for "the atlanta journal constitution." laura, here is how senator bernie sanders described biden's new information plan this morning. take a listen. >> roads and bridges and tunnels are infrastructure. but i think many of us see a crisis in human infrastructure,
when a working class family can't find good quality, affordable childcare, that's human infrastructure. >> lauren, you've reported on this new plan. how is biden expanding what has traditionally been thought of as infrastructure with this plan? >> so they put it into two categories. you've got traditional infrastructure, as they've said, roads, bridges. these are aspects that do need fixing. we are ranked 13th in the world for infrastructure. so they are really making the case for physical infrastructure. but there's also human infrastructure, which gets at our health care system, our system of caring for disabled and elderly americans, our schools, aspects that are very, very important to our economy, democrats will argue, and to the people who -- you know, to the families and people of this country who will, you know,
ultimately be building the other aspect, the physical infrastructure. this is the part that's harder for democrats to sell to republicans. republicans are very interested in a roads package that looks at roads, bridges, airports, not so much a package that they say, you know, checks a list of -- >> this is a once in a lifetime only. i don't think -- >> and so i think -- >> i'm not sure where that sound came from, we'll let you finish that point. tia, to the point lauren is making about republican pushback, you had republican senator roy blunt arguing that much of the plan doesn't address what he considers infrastructure issues. take a listen. >> there's more in the package, george, for charging stations for electric vehicles, $174 billion, than there is for roads, bridges, and airports and ports. >> so tia, to pick up on what lauren was saying, how does this bill move through congress and what will the final version likely look like compared to the original?
>> a lot depends on whether the senate democrats are told that they can do this through budget reconciliation once again. that's a question pending in the senate right now. if the democrats get the okay to do it through budget reconciliation, the package could look very similar to what president biden has proposed, because they would be able to pass it without any republican support. if they can't use budget reconciliation, or decide that because of the limited use of budget reconciliation, this is not the bill to use it, then they're going to have to negotiate with republicans and you could see perhaps some of that -- some of those provisions dealing with climate change and education and things like that put on hold, and it be more of what you would consider a more traditional infrastructure package. >> eugene, in as much as there is pressure coming from
republicans, we now sort of understand what their pushback is going to be, that this is too broad, they're defining infrastructure too broadly. there's also a lot of pressure coming from the left of biden's own party in terms of making sure that this legislation goes far enough to address some of what they see as the major challenges. i want to read you this from "the washington post." liberal leaders could lose credibility with supporters, particularly if biden does not make progress on items such as increasing the minimum wage or defies them on other key issues. likewise, if biden seems too cozy with the left wing of the party, it allows republicans to paint them as radicals or socialists. eugene, do you agree with that assessment, and if so, how then is biden walking what they describe as a tightrope? >> that seems pretty right. the thing is, republicans have already been calling joe biden radical, they've already been saying that he's pushing the socialist agenda. and this was something we heard
during the primary season, when they're up there on the debate stage talking about, you know, maybe it doesn't matter how moderate we try to be, trying to get into the center of the democratic party or of politics, because republicans are going to continue to call whoever ended up being the nominee, whoever ended up being the president, joe biden, as a socialist. and i think that's right. something we've been seeing this entire presidency already is that the left has been pretty happy with how joe biden has been operating, because he has been operating as a progressive. he doesn't look like someone, you know, stereotypically nowadays that we think of as a progressive, he's an old white guy who spent years, decades, being a legislator as a moderate. however, he has moved with this party, and done things that they want. when you look at this bill, representative alexandria ocasio-cortez has already said she wants more, bernie sanders says he wants a lot more money,
trillions more dollars in this infrastructure bill, i don't know if they're going to get that, but they also have been calling this a very serious proposal and a good starting point. so it seems like the democrats are having the conversations they should be having when it comes to trying to figure out how you spend trillions of dollars. but republicans are going to say the same thing no matter how this bill ends up toward the end. >> it also strikes me that they keep coming back to this point about, if you do not understand the need for these investments now, then there will never be a political moment that alliance quite so clearly where people understand the value of broadband, the value of investing in schools, the value of investing in childcare as they do coming out of the pandemic that america has found itself in for the past year. to that point, tia, i want to ask you about this reuters poll that reveals nearly half of the country is in support of biden's infrastructure plan. the other half either opposed or
not sure. clearly there is an opportunity there, when you talk about 28% of the people being polled saying they're just not sure about this. how is the white house trying to shape the messaging around this bill, what are members of congress going to be going home and selling to their constituents? >> yeah, and that's an important point. you know, a lot of times lately when president biden and his administration have talked about bipartisanship, they point to things like that, polling that shows that some things they want to do are popular among americans even if republicans in congress are dead set against it. and i think you'll hear a lot more of that, them pushing out what this could do. for example, they haven't yet drilled down much on specific projects in specific states, but we expect that to come soon. so you'll see your members of congress and your leaders in various states and cities saying, if we get this money, here's what we can do, here's that expressway that everyone knows needs more lanes, or
here's that old bridge that everyone who lives here knows needs to be repaired. and i think that could be very persuasive to people at home. >> i do want to ask you, tia, while i have you, about the voting rights battle that is particularly brewing in georgia, of course happening across the country in other states. democrats have been pretty consistent in their messaging about these new restrictive election laws. we're now seeing the gop double down on their defense of it. you have been reporting extensively on this. who is winning in that messaging battle? >> i think that -- i think in general, democrats are winning. but i think republican voters tend to agree with the republican line, which is that the voting laws needed to be changed to make georgia elections more secure, because we know that most republican voters believe the quote unquote big lie that was spread by former president trump and his supporters. so there definitely is a
partisan divide when it comes to this election law and whether it's needed. that being said, i think generally speaking the law is unpopular. and i wonder if, you know, even in practice, when some of these things are put into place and they start to affect voters, for example in rural georgia that is more red, you could see even some republicans start to complain about some of these new provisions. >> eugene, lauren, tia, thank you for kicking us off tonight. selling the president's infrastructure plan. we'll talking about it with congressman brendan boyle of pennsylvania in the second hour. but first, the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin starts again tomorrow. and the city of baltimore made drastic changes to how it handled minor crimes during the
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all eyes on minneapolis tomorrow, as testimony continues in the derek chauvin trial. soon to take the stand, minneapolis chief of police arradondo, testifying against his own former officer. the prosecution offering this preview of the chief's comments. >> he is going to tell you that mr. chauvin's conduct was not consistent with minneapolis police department training, was not consistent with minneapolis police department policy, was not reflective of the minneapolis police department. he will not mince any words. he is very clear. he will be very decisive that this was excessive force.
>> joining me now, msnbc legal contributor and trial attorney katie phang. also with me, shauna lloyd. shauna, chief arradondo will be a powerful witness for the prosecution. this is what he said this summer. >> there are absolute truths to live. we need air to breathe. the killing of mr. floyd was an absolute truth, that it was wrong. >> shauna, how will the defense counter that kind of statement coming from him? >> that's going to be very hard to counter, because it is a very damaging statement from the police chief. and in these types of cases, we typically don't see this type of statement coming from a supervising officer, much less a chief. what they are going to have to do, though, is refocus on the other things. yes, he might not supposed to be there that long but this was a part, a maneuver that could be
used if they believed that a suspect was actively trying to resist arrest. he'll have to go back to the threat of the crowd and that that was where chauvin's attention was focused. >> katie, we're also likely to hear from the medical examiner who performed an autopsy of floyd. >> we'll have to be focusing on what we call legal causation. what was the legal cause of george floyd's death. and we've heard in the opening statements from the prosecution as well as the defense that that is going to become a critical issue for the jurors to have to decide. we will inevitably hear, alicia, a battle of the experts. we're going to hear from the prosecution that it was not something like drugs in the system of mr. floyd, that it was not something like a hypertensive situation for mr. floyd, that it was in fact the
nine minutes and 29 seconds of derek chauvin on george floyd's neck that caused, legally, the death of george floyd. but then the defense, as we heard in the opening statement will say, no, no, slow your roll, it actually is more than that, it was not the mechanical asphyxiation, it was actually the fact that he had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system and that he had cardiac arrhythmia. we'll be having a lot of these medical terms presented to the jury. it will be essential for each side to basically make a clear presentation as to why their argument is the winning one. we had a freight train of emotion day after day last week. i think you're going to feel the pace slow down a little this week and it's going to be heavily technical and let's hope that the jurors continue to pay attention. >> channa, to katie's point about a freight train of emotion, here is how floyd family attorney ben crump
described the defense strategy so far. >> i think the defense is doing what we all anticipated they would do, which is assassinate george floyd's character in an attempt to distract everyone from focusing in on that video. >> what's your take, channa, to these characterizations of floyd? there was a moving description of floyd from his girlfriend. >> they'll have to focus on what caused the death, what caused him to pass. they'll focus on the medicine, how much drugs were in his system, what he was on, the effects of those drugs on the human body. and i think you're going to see them take a methodical approach to this next session. they're going to be looking to take it out of that emotion and bring it down to this very technical medical portion of this trial. i think you're going to see a
lot that have now from the defense. >> katie, both legal teams have released lists of hundreds of potential witnesses. how many do you expect they'll actually call? what does that mean for the timeline for the rest of the trial? and katie, when you have a case like this that's garnered so much national attention, how does how long the case take begin to factor into the case itself? >> those are all great questions, alicia. you can't read tea leaves, you're always going to be overly prepared so your witness list is growing comprehensive. but we did see some indication towards the end of last week that the trial was moving at a pace much faster than anticipated. and that's why you saw a truncated or shortened trial date on friday. i think that we're going to be streamlining these witnesses. and it's a game time decision. you make it literally each step of the way, on each side. the burden of proof, as we know in a criminal case, is on the prosecution. so it's going to be critical for them to decide, do i need to put
this witness on. there is also a component, alicia, that i quickly have to mention. sometimes you have to put witnesses on to authenticate evidence, to check the boxes of the rules of evidence, but you want the jurors to stay captively attentive. but you cannot sacrifice the technical rules of evidence, the procedure, just because you want to get this trial done quicker than later. >> channa, for many americans, this case is about more, of course, than the actions of a single officer. one young woman told "the washington post," quote, our criminal justice system is on trial right now. what do you see as the stakes in that courtroom? >> the stakes in this trial are high. we're talking about everything from police behavior to use of force, whether or not situations are escalated or de-escalated. then there's the larger ramifications, accountability for individual officers. what happens when you do have
people, and bystanders, who are telling you that something is wrong, do you address them? because you are sworn to protect and serve. there is this aspect of citizens versus law enforcement. i also think there is this factor of the good officers speaking out against officers that are doing things they know are not according to prompt or according to the culture of that police department. that's on trial as well. there's a lot of overarching things that are going to be tied into this that are going to affect us as far as going forward when we talk about social justice and reform. >> all right, katie and channa, thank you so much for your time tonight. next, as record numbers of kids cross the border into the u.s., nbc's cal perry will have a live report from el paso to talk about the challenges border patrol is up against. back after this with more "american voices."
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while the nation is transfixed on the derek chauvin trial in minneapolis, another american city is actively changing its policing. it began last year when marilyn mosby, the state's attorney for baltimore, announced the city would no longer prosecute low level crime, stuff like drug possession, prostitution, trespassing. the idea was to keep people out of jail in order to limit the spread of the coronavirus that was then tearing through the city. it started out as a temporary fix. then something happened. crime went down by a lot. violent crimes declined by 20%. property crime down more than a third. and drug possession arrests down 80%. this all happened while other cities saw violent crime and homicide rates explode. as a result, mosby made those temporary changes permanent last friday. baltimore city will no longer prosecute any drug possession,
prostitution traffic, or misdemeanor cases. instead the city will partner with a local behavioral health service to reach out to drug users, sex workers and people with mental illnesses. the big question now is will other major cities follow suit. joining us now, marilyn mosby, state's attorney for the city of baltimore and the author of this new initiative. this policy was your idea. we ticked through the numbers, violent crime down 20%, property crime down 36%, drug possession arrests down 80%. were you yourself surprised by these results? >> so, i mean, one of the things i have to note is that in 2019, i testified before the u.s. panel and said there's no better illumination of this country's failed war on drugs than the city of baltimore. and so, you know, while i said that in the context of marijuana legalization, it applies to drug policy more generally. since nixon and reagan, we
fought this war on drugs which was later professed to be a war on black people, where judges and prosecutors imposed these excessive sentences for crimes that had nothing to do with public safety. that's essentially what that data is. i'm in no way attributing these policies to the decline in crime. i think the stability in the police department is certainly welcomed and has been attributing to that decline. but what i can say is that it shows that all of these offenses that we've been prosecuting and convicting individuals for for decades has nothing to do with public safety. >> when you first introduced this policy, you received mixed reaction from baltimore police. police commissioner michael harrison told "the washington post," quote, the officers told me they did not agree with that paradigm shift, and he said he had to socialize both officers and citizens to this new approach. from your perch, have attitudes changed since the policy first became permanent last friday?
>> so what i can say is that the data is supportive, right? and the community understands and recognizes that these offense. nothing to do with public safety, have never had anything to do with public safety, and it's not only counterproductive to the limited law enforcement resources that we have in law enforcement where we're in my city solving one out of five homicide. we can utilize these resources, reallocate it so we're focusing on violent crime. and most importantly, as we're watching the derek chauvin trial, these sort of low level offences, where we relied on the police department to respond to every social ill of society, homelessness, mental health issues, all these offences, this you think about it, for black people in this country, it can lead to a death sentence. freddie gray died after he made eye contact in a high crime neighborhood and ran. sandra bland turned on her turn
signal and ended up dead. george floyd attempt to pass a counterfeit bill, during a global pandemic, for groceries and ended up dead. this is a win-win situation. we need to recognize this new approach where we're treating substance abuse disorder as a public health issue as it is, is where we should have always been. >> i have to ask you, when you look at what you are doing in baltimore, do you believe that you are creating a model that can be replicated in other cities? and if you could speak to people who are considering instituting such a similar policy, what would be your top recommendation about how they go about it? >> so first and foremost, last year, at the height of the uprising following the death of george floyd, i wrote in "the new york times" that prosecutors have to recognize and acknowledge our ability to reform the criminal justice system. and that means that when we criminalize these minor offences that have nothing to do with public safety, that creates a needless interaction with law
enforcement that for black people in this country can lead to a death sentence. while this new approach to crime, where we're no longer relying on the police to respond to every social ill in society, we're no longer contributing to the stigmatization and criminalization of black people, which is what they're trying to do in the trial about george floyd, this will be a model for how police and prosecutors have redefined public safety in america. >> finally, you told "the washington post" this permanent policy shift is unrelated to an ongoing federal investigation into your campaign finances. do you have any comments at this time on that investigation? >> so i think my lawyer has been on, you know, record and basically stated that this is a witch hunt, and i stand by that. but at the end of the day, i would defer to my attorney on any of those -- that matter in
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the biden administration is scrambling to set up new shelters for the 18,500 unaccompanied children who made the harrowing journey across the southern border last month. many are in overcrowded facilities as they wait to be connected with sponsors. california congresswoman barbara lee is one of the lawmakers who recently visited these border facilities to try to come up with solutions. here is what she told my colleague alex witt earlier today. >> we have to redefine the narrative and talk about this as a humanitarian effort. but also we have to make sure these children have the resources and that they get out of these facilities into their sponsors -- you know, to their sponsors or their family members right away. so as a member of the appropriations and budget committee, we're trying to put more resources into expediting young people to make sure that
they go where they needing to to begin their lives again. >> on the ground in el paso with more, nbc's cal perry. cal, what more can you tell us about the influxes that we're seeing at the border? >> you know, a lot of it is caused by title xlii. a reminder to our viewers, this is a law from the 1940s that president trump put into effect 13 months ago. the biden administration has kept it in place. it gives the power to the border folks here, the customs and border protection folks, to basically turn around and expel folks who are coming across the border from mexico. they're using the bridge here in el paso to do so. behind me is the bridge from el paso to juarez, mexico. what is happening is, unaccompanied minors are basically exempt from that policy. and so families are making an unbelievable choice to separate themselves from their kids.
we've been talking here with dylan corbett who runs the hope border institute on both sides of the border. take a listen to what he had to say. >> unfortunately what that does is incentivize children crossing on their own. either the family makes the painful decision to send their child to try to repeatedly cross the border over and over again in hopes of reuniting with their child or children on their own make that decision without even telling their parents. we've seen painful, heartbreaking stories like that. >> reporter: word spreads fast on these routes, the families know if they come together as a unit, they'll likely be turned around quickly. we've heard stories of people being flown 800 miles to el paso and returned to juarez the same day. juarez is also not a safe city, so migrants are going back without paperwork, no court date, no connection here to the united states' asylum programs. virtually, in reality, the asylum program here is on hold and the reaction you have, the result that you have, is this
large amount, this large number, 18,000 unaccompanied minors now ending up in facilities all along the border, alicia. >> cal, thank you so much for unpacking some of that complexity for us, because it is not simple. at the same time, there are these children, these migrant children that are now showing up in texas. what is the plan, what did you hear from people in el paso about what it is they're trying to do to build capacity there? >> reporter: el paso has ft. bliss right here, it's a million acres. it basically starts in el paso and ends in new mexico. there are 500 unaccompanied minors who have been put on that base in the last week. it has bed space for some 5,000 unaccompanied minors. it will be hhs that controls that facility, who are used to dealing with unaccompanied minors. they'll use that facility in ft. bliss. it was something the trump administration had toyed with the idea of, it is now something
the biden administration is doing. >> cal, i think very often when we try to report on these stories from afar, there are pieces of this that we miss. i just wonder, for you, actually being there, actually to go folks on the ground, as someone who has followed this story, is there something that surprised you when you actually started to go people who are doing the work down there? >> reporter: the overwhelming sadness and feeling of hopelessness in a place like el paso that is used to being a border city. they call it two lungs in the same body. that i find overwhelmingly sad. i also find it impossible to imagine, i have a 6-year-old son, impossible to imagine strategically making the decision to send him across the border because i know that the biden administration is going to turn back these folks. we're talking about an overwhelming majority of people being turned back. and they're not from mexico. they're from guatemala, el salvador, and they're ending up in juarez, sleeping on the street, those facilities are
overrun, and they're left without hope. it is so difficult to imagine that this is happening in the united states, a place that after world war ii and this law, title xlii, was brought about in the 1940s. and this was a country based on asylum, people coming here in safety. i know there's a lot of politics involved, but it's overwhelmingly sad especially for people like dylan who have dedicated their lives to helping these folks. he feels powerless because he's used to welcoming these migrants into the city of el paso and he's not being given the opportunity, they're being sent right to jarez. >> cal, thank you as always for the reminder that what we're talking about here is people. next, a discussion about our return to a new normal as more americans get vaccinated. it means we'll be able to connect with friends and family in person again. do you even remember how to make small talk? and later on this easter sunday, an in-depth look at the decline in church and other religious member in the united states. n the united states (vo) you broke your phone. so verizon broke the rules.
candles? and importantly, how will we connect after a year when many of us have felt so disconnected and isolated? joining me now to talk about how we connect in our new normal, susan mcpherson, founder and ceo of mcpherson strategies and the author of "the lost art of connecting." susan, my friend, great to see you. you are like an expert at this, you know how to connect with people. it is part of what you have built your business on. anyone who knows you, knows you are amazing at this. and i think there are a lot of us who are going to come out of this year feeling like we need to re-up on those commitments. where do we start? >> well, we actually first -- first of all, thank you, it's wonderful to be here, alicia. we start from our own existing communities and our neighbors and our friends and our family. and we literally go baby steps and reach out to folks and reconnect. >> in your book you talk about
fomo, the fear of missing out. how do we avoid that feeling after a year of being in lockdown? >> i don't know about you but i have missed out on a lot this past year and i think many of us have. and what i have found in my 30 plus years of business is, instead of waiting for that invitation, waiting to be included, is instead do your own, figure it out yourself, invite your own posse, and i call it the joy of meeting others as opposed to the joy of missing out, which i think is the way many of us at least during this past year have been able to deal with the isolation. so if you're an introvert and the thought of having to try to gather people seems terrifying, it doesn't haven't many, okay? this is not about the masses. this is about reaching out to a few people that you feel comfortable with and inviting them and then asking a few others to join them.
>> you know me well because i am an introvert and that does sound horrifying. of course these vaccines are finally making it possible to socialize in person. a lot of us are out of practice. i was having a conversation yesterday, of course very zoom, and all of a sudden zoom and se everyone else had become a birding expert in quarantine. oh, no, going to go back out and have nothing to add because i've not been birding past year. what is advice for making the transition back to face-to-face interactions? so worried i'm going to do this thing i do on zoom to say goodbye now in normal interactions. >> first of all, deep breath. beautiful thing we've all been through this, right? not just a few of us. the playing field has been levelled, and it's like riding a bike. we know come the end of winter and get the bikes out of storage for those of us who live in
colder climates, first block is treacherous. i always feel like i'm going to get whacked by a car. take it slowly, and literally, don't have to go 0 to 60. also have a few possibly planned questions in your back pocket and try not to make them about birding or weather but meaningful questions to elicit meaningful conversation like if you could be anywhere now the pandemic is over, where would you fly and why? or -- how has the past year been and is there anything you could use a little bit of help with to get through the next month? those types of questions elicit a more meaningful conversation that don't leave you feeling i don't know how to bird. and i don't know how to bird, i don't know anything about them. >> and i've never been particularly good at small talk. book is "the art of connecting,"
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the cdc says more than 106 million americans have received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine. which leads us to interesting conversation about the problems that could surface if special privileges begin to be given only to those vaccinated. nbc's gutierrez. >> reporter: we're used to giving name or showing i.d. when we go out. but what if we lived in a world where one of these, your vaccination card, was ticket to travel, eat in restaurant or enjoy concerts and sports games again? in some cases that's the
reality. cdc said moderna and pfizer vaccines are extremely effective in the real world, reducing infections by 90% in those fully vaccinated, and private sector has been listening. royal caribbean announced they'll be reopening cruises this summer but guests over 18 must show proof of vaccination to board. >> we have found a way for small number of people to attend covid compliant socially distanced show in person. >> reporter: in nashville, brandy carlisle had first in-person concert since the pandemic, audience members had to show proof of full vaccination before entering a lottery to get tickets. as more spaces require inoculation for entry, experts say there are challenges with emergence of a vaccine class, including who makes up the select group. >> unsurprisingly, those with
access to earlier vaccinations already had access to better health care and resources. >> reporter: she's hopeful that accessibility will continue to improve as supply, locations and confidence grow. but other concerns. >> one of the questions we're not ready to answer, how are we going to allocate resources and opportunities based on vaccine status. we really have no requirements for adult vaccines outside of particular work forces, military or higher education. >> reporter: biggest worry, no federal or state guidance when or how to require or check if someone's been fully vaccinated. >> challenge right now, we've never had a situation like this in which the private sector is being given permission to come up with their own public health policies and rules.
business owners, performers and sports teams feel obligation to keep people safe who show up for them, and seeing variation across venues trying to enact policies that feel right, even if the scientific basis is not always sound. >> risk of the checkered approach, confusion for the consumer. >> and might not accomplish the goals of making sure that transmission goes away. >> reporter: for restaurant owners, there's a lot to consider. >> i think at brooklyn chop house we're going to do that with larger gatherings, six or seven or more, request vaccination confirmation. keeps not just other guests but my staff safe as well. past seven or more people, tables have to come together, puts us in vulnerable position. i think asking everybody for vaccination proof is fair. >> reporter: in florida this week, governor desantis said it
won't be up to the private sector and would be issuing executive order to forbid local government and businesses from refusing services to people not vaccinated. >> it's completely unacceptable for the government or private sector to impose upon you the requirement that you show proof of vaccine to just be able to participate in normal society. >> would be unfortunate outcome if leaders relinquish their responsibility to get this right. we need guidance and good policy. >> nbc's isa gutierrez, thank you. as we begin a new hour, gop's distraction tactics. president biden getting through to do list, republicans hoping to divert attention with faux culture wars. and congressman is here to talk