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happy easter to those who celebrate. the fight for democracy continues voting rights under attack across the united states. it began with restrictions in georgia pushed through by republicans after record turnout saw them lose the presidential vote and two u.s. senate seats in 2020. the new law requires photo i.d.s, requires people to have copiers or printers available to them, puts timing at polling locations and prevent food or water brought to people waiting in voting lines, often hours long in the georgia heat. the laws do virtually nothing to fight voter fraud but aimed squarely at minority voters declined to make sure they can't win state-wide elections again. since then delta and coca-cola criticized the new law and major league baseball stepped up in a big way announcing moving the
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all-star game out of atlanta in protest. now former president barack obama weighed in, congratulations to major league baseball for taking a stand on behalf of voting rights for all citizens. no better way for america's pastime to honor the great hank aaron, who always led by example. now, cornered, and facing a very real financial cost to his voter suppression efforts georgia governor brian kemp refused to back down in a press conference yesterday afternoon. >> we will not be intimidated, and we will also not be silenced. major league baseball, coca-cola and delta may be scared of stacey abrams, joe biden and the left, but i am not, and we are not. [ applause ] >> georgia state representative donna mccloud joined me just before that press conference yesterday and warned that that quote, this dog is hollering because it got hit. certainly seems like an apt metaphor for the foe and failing
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reaction from governor kemp who thought he could pass the voter restrictions of the cover of a stolen election and voter fraud but got hit. and waging war on his own citizens right to vote is costing him. people are watching. the nation saw march 25th what amounts to assault under a picture of a slave plantation by the way. as it happened this scene played out right outside his chambers. democratic state representative park cannon, elected georgia official, led away in handcuffs. arrested by state police after knocking on governor kemp's state house door. the purpose for knocking argue for transparency of the bill signing. i'll play you the video and audio of the infamousdoor knock that led to her arrest. watch this. >> one more time like you're going to do something.
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are you serious? no. you are not. >> represent -- >> she's not under arrest. >> for what? >> under arrest for what? >> for trying to see -- something that our governor is doing? >> why is she under arrest? >> our governor is signing a bill that affects all georgians answers you're going arrest and elected representative? >> why does the governor have more power -- than the -- than a representative? >> are you arresting her? >> why are you arresting her? >> that's what i'm asking. >> stop arresting her. >> why are you arresting her? >> why? >> cite the violation. cite the code! >> representative cannon was ultimately charged with obstruction of law enforcement and preventing or disrupting general assembly. her lawyer says the arrest was illegal, and they plan to fight the charges. joining me now, georgia democratic state representative erica thomas. the person you heard on that video questioning the state police as they arrested
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representative cannon. representative thomas, thank you for being with us. you were, i don't know what to say. sort of astounded at this process, that she was knocking on the door of the elected governor in the state house, and was arrested for doing that. did you observe her doing anything that, that you thought required being arrested for? >> no. no. not at all. i think that at end of the day the people have seen it for themselves. you know, she's a state representative just like i am, and we are always at that capitol trying our best to do our jobs. the officers are there to protect and serve us. and as you can see, that rein happening. that wasn't happening. >> one of the arresting officers referenced the january 6th attacks on the u.s. capitol. he said, i -- quote, i felt if i did no the take action the other protesters would have been emboldened to commit similar
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acts. the events of january 6, 2021 at the u.s. capitol were in the back of my mind. representative thomas, the people on january 6th were tearing down democracy, hunting down members of congress, and trying to stop a bill from being passed. this was a representative, elected representative knocking on the door of the governor? >> for the police officer to make that comparison is astounding. you can see from this video, these people are busting in, barging in, jumping over walls, fighting police officers, fighting security guards. and you saw what the capitol looked like after that insurrection, and those people were able to go to olive gordon that night. go home to eat that night, and so, you know, the comparison is astounding. you know, the whole point of this whole matter is s b-202. this egregious voting rights
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bill that will take a lot of the voters rights away, and we have to fight it tooth and nail. even though now that it's signed into law, we are going to have to follow through with a lawsuit. >> there -- representative cannon says there's a possibility she faces eight years in prison for this. what do you think will happen and are you a bit surprised they haven't dropped the charges against her? >> they have to. they have to, because there's no founding evidence of any of those things happening, and this is a sitting state representative. and so we do hope that coming soon the charges will be dropped. they must, because -- she cannot face eight years in jail for something that she did not do. >> this is 53 years since the death of martin luther king. a man whose home base was georgia. and what representative cannon did does sort of follow in the steps of a long history of civil
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disobedience. the fact is you have a law you and others believe is unjust and anti-democratic. what happens now? >> well, people are showing up from all over the country. even martin luther king iii came and walked us in the capitol on our next legislative day after that. people know that this bill is egregious, that it's going to take the rights away from georgians, like not being able to have a ballot box in their neighborhood. or voter intimidation. putting a police officer by every ballot drop box? who's going to want to walk up to that drop box? these are intimidation tactics so that georgians did not come out in astounding numbers, like they did in january and in 2020. you know, we have to now look at this bill as an infringement on our rights. you know, we have to fight this bill like we fought all other
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bills that had been bad, since the last 53 years. and we really have to call on the u.s. congress to pass hr-1 and hr-4, the john lewis voting rights act, so that we can have a suit in court, because we all know that this bill has been signed into law already. >> representative, you took some video as well at the arrest of representative cannon, or in video that was pretty clear. tell me about that. >> i guess you can talk about the first part of the video, of course, when i was astounded. then the last part of the video when i had my speech, where i was just upset and i said that, you know, at the end of the day, we have all of these bills, and we have the right to see these bills being signed, that we were involved in, and's so i said that. i was outraged.
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i couldn't believe that i just witnessed my best friend and colleague to get arrested while trying to protect other women. we were out there with other women about six other women that were in between us, and so to say that these women, that just want to protest or to see a bill being signed were like the january 6th insurrection is preposterous. >> representative, thank you for joining us. appreciate your time. democratic state representative erica thomas of georgia. i welcome latasha brown, co-founder of black voters matter. she was on this show just a couple weeks ago talking about some of these corporate entities including delta, who had not come out with as full-throated an assault on what georgia has done. they finally did. coca-cola finally did, and they finally used language that made sense. that said that this is actually an attack on democracy, but in
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the early days of this, this bill, the corporate entities were not saying this was an attack on democracy. saying it was helping to strengthen voter fraud. or work against voter fraud. which was a lie. >> that's right. what they did is took on the talking points of the gop and it didn't work. you can actually look at target smart they did a study, a poll for georgia voters, people in georgia. 77% of people in georgia have a problem with what happened in the bill. so i think that delta and coca-cola were under immense pressure when you look at the republicans and though wanted to just accept those talking points, they severely under estimated that people, how we would actually fight for our right to vote. once embarrassed i think nationally. glad they've come onboard. it's wonderful to see a leader in the space, which was salesforce, did a wonderful job coming outside early on making a statement. oh, yes. organizing works.
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>> so, again be, you had some influence on that. you and others like you were out there doing this, the only way you could, really. getting out in the media. you black executives sending an open letter. getting out in the open, shaming these companies and suggesting boycotts of some of their businesses if they didn't do it right. but it's not over. s b-202 is signed. sb -- or hb 1 and hb 4 before the united states senate. do you believe that corporate america and business interests in america need to do more than they're doing right now? >> absolutely. the bottom line is democracy is, all of us are under the care of democracy, doing whatever we need to do to protect democracy in this country. had delta and many of the other businesses come out early on we would not be in the situation that we're in right now. the bottom line is, we cannot allow republicans to make access to the ballot become a partisan issue, like a whole premise of
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creating the voting rights act of 1965 was based on this very same thing of what we're seeing right now. so it is incumbent and we have to recognize it and we've said before. democracy is good for business. we've seen the economic fallout in georgia as relates to what republicans did, it is because of the accesses of republicans. it is because of the actions of kemp and this vigil showing this is going to be the new jim crow air kra that they are actually losing global business. who wants to do business in a space that can't even move on some levels, move beyond basic fundamental rights of civil rights, voting rights and race? >> you actually,ut in a tweet nicely. tried to tell them democracy is good for business and racism ain't. we can show you better than we can tell you. what do you want to see next? a cascade this weekend. coca-cola, delta. you had the black executives writing to other businesses, airlines and other companies across the country.
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you mentioned salesforce at the front end of it and a then saw major league baseball. what more do you foresee happening for republicans in georgia and in arizona and in iowa and in michigan and across this country to say we are going to lose business, like north carolina did, with the transgender bathroom business, or like indiana did under mike pence, with gay marriage? >> you know, there's a couple things. let's just say in georgia they got to field this deal. one, we want the businesses to actually talk about repealing this bill. we want to make sure our state is economically thrive and it won't be able to continuing under this banner of jim crow and looking as it's a backwards state. number one we need the state of georgia to repeal it. two, we need hr-1 and hr-4 to both be passed. corporate america needs to stand behind making sure we fight unequivocally for voting rights and it's not a partisan issue. number three, we need them to
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divest from these organizations and these people who have made voting suppression their number one strategy. that they are focusing to undermine democracy in this country. we have to say that is a no-no. if you are working to undermine democracy in fact we cannot support you and they need to divest with them. >> thanks as always for your clear messages that come with numbers, even more helpful. the co-founder of black voters matter. natasha brown. today marks the 53rd anniversary of martin luther king jr.'s assassination. one month ago in birmingham, alabama, after a celebration of black history month i had the privilege visiting the last place where dr. king was jailed before he was assassinated. we recorded it. that's on "velshi." i'll take you inside. ( sighs wearily ) here, i'll take that! ( excited yell ) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one-gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health!
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luther king was killed 53 years ago today. before that alabama authorities had issued a summons for what they call an illegal kem demonstration in that state. so king returned to alabama to face his accusers knowing full well he'd be jailed. king and a few other activists were arrested october 30, 1967. the moment he landed in alabama. they spent one night in bessemer jail and then transferred to the jefferson county jail in downtown birmingham. it's now that the jefferson county courthouse and until recently the seventh floor where dr. martin luther king jr. was used for storage until someone realize the historical importance of those old jail cells. last year that floor was memorialized and opened to the public. because of the pandemic, no the many had the opportunity to see it. while i was in birmingham last month for black history month i had a chance to see this little piece of civil rights history. >> we memorialize this area, like a i said, ant put this over
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the jail, that that was dedicated to the legacy of dr. martin luther king. so in here you'll clearly see there's very little space and -- as you come to this one, these are the only two jail cells that are left at the county. >> wow. >> so the county is, the county jail now, in jefferson county, is across the street. these are the only two cells that were left, and when i found out about it from the jefferson county sheriff, that's when we, we dedicated this in honor of dr. martin luther king. this is what they used when they arrested inmates. those housed here, only had a little bath right here and i'm going to show you how they kept them in this room, which is incredible. but when you do this, when i wind it up, you will see that, to this day, you'll see how that, that still moves. yeah.
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so when you -- you can open it up. here you will see, and in this little area here. >> they put people in here. >> yes. that's why i said it was inhumane. and so if -- if you were in a -- >> wow. >> yeah. so if you had basically gotten into any trouble while you were here, that's your holding cell. >> like a solitary -- >> compartment. yeah. >> wow. wow. >> you take this, and -- excuse me -- and they lock the door. >> yeah. >> wow. >> and -- and feel the weight of this door. >> yeah. >> there would be no way you could get out. >> oh, wow. ah! >> so it was not a nice place to be, and the thing about it is that we know that dr. king was not an alabamian. it for him to come from georgia, and to basically comply with
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what had been stated that he had violated. >> yeah. >> which was due to the birmingham march, and this is his area. so we want to tell the story. >> yeah. >> how we have history right here in the jefferson county courthouse. >> what an incredible piece of history hidden inside that jefferson county courthouse in birmingham. thanks to county commissioner lashinda scales you saw there being so kind in giving me that tour. before there was a president trump there was a republican party that essentially cleared the way for him. former republican house speaker john boehner writes in his new book, you could be a total moron and get electsed just by having an r next to your name. more on that, after the break. . mm, smooth. uh, they are a little tight. like, too tight?
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governing men. don't take it from me but their former house speaker john boehner who writes in his new book on the house how it descended into crazy town. besides his pitching for marijuana he appears to have fallen off the map but speaking up in a new book unleashing on the crazy caucus of the republican party "compromise? wasn't their thing. a lot of them wanted to blow up washington. they didn't want legislative victories, wedge issues and conspiracies and crusades." on republicans stalled agenda with president obama writes, how do you find common cause with people who think you are a secret kenyan muslim trader to america? above all, grievousens against his own party, especially ted cruz. now a new head lunatic leading the way wasn't even a house
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member. nothing more dangerous than a wreckous, expletive, who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. ladies and gentlemen, meet senator ted cruz. end quote. the most pronounced moment is actually in the audio version of the book. listen to this. >> take it from me. you'll never know where you'll end up. that's freedom. i'll raise a glass to that any day. p.s., ted cruz, go [ bleep ] yourself. >> joining me now, errin haines, msnbc contributor and editor at large for the 19th and editor of the "washington post." i know what more to say. start with you erin. john boehner had a sense of humor but taken a dark turn talking about his own. not talking about democrats. he's talking about republicans. >> yeah. i mean, i think on both sides it's really easy to be spicy when you're not up for
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re-election. right? whether that is, because you're permanently off the ballot or you have a few years before you have to run for office again. so i think in this kind of ongoing feud between boehner and cruz, you're seeing some of that. i think it does, though, speak to kind of the larger point that either exiting or former republicans seem to be the only republicans in the party that are willing to criticize the party right now. everybody else seems to kind of still be sticking with former president trump and seeing, you know, where his voters are going to go now that the former president is out of office, and that certainly includes ted cruz, who is claiming sour grapes. we know boehner likes his grapes prefer particularably in merlot but claiming sour grapes now that boehner is out of office in his tweet. look, boehner unleashed means he's om going to tell war stories at this point and the interesting to see if ted cruz keeps up the same energy into 2025 when he's back on the ballot and we know that he only
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beat beto o'rourke by a couple of points in texas. >> jennifer, you and i had this conversation about former and exiting republicans being loud, and always leads me to ask you what happens to them? do they somehow reclaim the republican party? or are there enough of them and growing numbers of them to say, let's do a different thing that's not as crazy and sort of, you know, weird as this current day republican party? >> that is the $64,000 question. about 30% of republicans according to a lot of polls are anti-trump, which is actually a large number. so these are in essence the never trumpers unlike me stayed in the party. the question is, what do they do? do they make up a significant number that they can actually affect policy, they can swing an issue or swing an election? do they defect finally to the democratic party and say, there's nothing we can possibly do here, or start a third party?
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in our system, third parties don't do very well. there are a lot of barriers to getting on the ballot. a lot of people who don't want to vote third party for fear they're throw their vote away. right now it's a holding pattern and see people like adam kinzinger, voted for impeachment, has formed a new pact. struggle to be to come up with some financial and intellectual base to rally around. it's not easy now. occasionally you have a mitt romney. occasionally a few others who as on impeachment would finally vote for impeachment but these people are essentially frozen now, and the problem is not so much donald trump. it's the republican base. these people believe things that are crazy. they've been a climatized to believe things that are simply not true. for better or worse, i think seriously for worse, the republicans who are elected are afraid of the base now. they're not going to tell them the truth. not going to start rendezvous
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with reality they'll just go along with the crazy pants scheme. >> strange stuff. errin haines, did you see a minute ago i played something i saw when i was in birmingham, alabama. the last prison cell that martin luther king had been in. april 3rd, 53 years ago, when he delivered his mount top speech and was assassinated the in ex-day. next day. for all the stuff happening today seems very, very relevant to martin luther king. voting, wage issues and southern states a little out of control when it comes to voting? >> yeah. you're absolutely right, and an excellent segment you had there in -- in montgomery, or in birmingham there with that, your wonderful tour guide. that just really kind of brought -- >> yes. >> -- stark relief. seeing that jail cell, that that was just -- to imagine dr. king in those circumstances, but also
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for the folks working there with the fortitude to recognize that that place is historic and should be preserved and that people should see it. it should remain for posterity, it's very important and i appreciate you sharing that. i was actually in memphis for the 50th anniversary of dr. king's assassination. as a native atlantan, my first time going to memphis, because it is such a dark chapter in our country's history. absolutely right. i actually spent, you know, the night in -- in, april 3rd at mason temple where they kind of re -- it had the aura of that mount stop speech and it was storming even in that night in 2018. yes, you're right. dr. king, end of his life fighting for equal pay, a living wage for just the kind of essential workers as in this pandemic, that he, he would be lifting those people up in this moment, and, you know i think absolutely speaking out to your
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point about these voter suppression laws. likely hail given his tactics in the civil rights movement. hailing major league baseball's decision to pull the all-star game out of atlanta. if i could also talk about the essential workers and dr. king, his kind of efforts. i wrote a piece last week as this infrastructure plan is rolling out. caregiving. such an essential part of our economy, and i know part of our infrastructure, it's what, he would be advocating for those careworkers, 53 years later, were he still here. i want people to remember also it's been more than a half century since his family has not had him either in the easter pulpit or at the easter dinner table and we should remember them also in this moment. >> that's right. cannon in ga following in those footsteps the other day arrested for protesting and unjust law. we'll come back in a second.
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i wasn't going to tell this story, erin and jen, but when i was in that jail cell the -- the commissioner, lashinda scales demonstrated how the door close it's and it locked on me and i was not sure this thing had been locked since 1967 and wasn't sure i would get out. looked in that cell probably about two minutes or so, but i definitely felt very claustrophobic and locked in and thought this man willingly went back to alabama knowing that he would be locked up on a trumped up silly charge about not getting a permit. that was one brave guy. we'll be backin just a moment. errin haines and jen brown, we're going to continue this conversation on the other side of this break. tion on the othee of this break. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪
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that would be marjorie taylor greene. i know you're not following her tweets but she tweeted 0 ut that video e of her weight lifting and the tweet said, this is my covid protection. make america healthy again. it's time to #firefauci. yeah. whatever. okay, back in the conversation. errin haines editor at large for the 19th and jennifer ruben opinion writer for the "washington post." falk about what errin just talked about. infrastructure bill, thinking a planes, trains, automobiles,
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bridges, things to fix and more broadly about errin talked about caregiving, wireless broad band, things like that. i never understood why infrastructure is partisan. should be bipartisan. where you are in the political spectrum you should like the idea things are being belt so businesses are better and people can live better lives? >> should be that for decades. nancy pelosi mentioned this in her press conference on thursday. used to be entirely non-controversial. remember, we had a lot of infrastructure in a week, and i think as the president and his staff have said. the problem is the republicans would like all the goodies just don't want to pay for anything, and certainly don't want to raise taxes on their corporate donors. so he has, i think, cleverly given them a choice. he said, well, do you not want the bridges? not want the roads? or is it that you just don't want to pay for it?
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and you want to put it through deficits once again? or is that you want the little guy to pay for it rather than corporations? so i think he's done something clever. he's both positioned himself as a fiscal conservative and as he has a scheme to pay for it, and very progressive. because this is very far-reaching. it extends to everything from rebuilding v.a. hospitals to building new housing units. to, as you say, expanding opportunities for caregivers, mostly women of color. and i think it's going to be a very, very popular bill. it's beginning to look like the fight over the rescue plan where the president roll os something. initial reviews 70% of the public love it. republicans dead set against it, at some point biden says, everybody else likes it, try to jam it through in reconciliation or whatever other means he has. republicans once again are painting themselves into a
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corner. are they really going to turn down infrastructure because they don't want to tax just a little more big corporations that made out like bandits over the last four years? their taxes went down from 35% top rate to 21% plus a slew of other tax breaks, about 90 of them didn't pay any taxes and now want to have to pay a little more? >> and, errin, refer back to your article in the 19th. in addition to the physical capital, physical infrastructure, built environment we traditionally see in infrastructure bill is a human capital part, too. you write that the care can't wait coalition calling on the add min strigs and congress to includes measures in the next major piece poo of recovery-related including home and community based servics cap child care and guarantee leave
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for new parents or persons dealing with a family illness. a human side to infrastructure, not how we think about it but in ath ages society we no ed to think about those pieces of infrastructure. things that allow people to get old, sick or have children? >> yeah. absolutely, ali. there is about $400 billion in this proposal for caregivers. look, what we know, what we certainly learned in this pandemic is that if you are caring for someone you love, whether that is a child or an elderly relative, that is going to be your priority, and there are many american whose have had to make the difficult decision of whether they will remain in the workforce or leave to take care of that person or people, and many of those were women. we saw millions of women dropping out of the workforce in this past year, particularly due to caregiving issues and they will not be returning, and we will not be adding women back to the workforce until we as a
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society figure this issue out. so this campaign that was announced a day ahead of president biden's plan is investing $20 million to put pressure on democrats and republicans who they say support this in a bipartisan fashion and they'll be targeting some of these key battleground states to do just that. >> very good stuff. thank you for writing that, errin. you always get into the nitty-gritty of stuff and of course, jennifer ruben your righting a mainstay for me. msnbc contributor editor at large for "the 19th" and jen ruben, opinion writer for the "washington post." if you don't follow them on social media you should. it makes you a lot smarter. the family of george floyd preparing for another week of raw testimony in the trial of derek chauvin. jonathan capehart joins me. you'll speak to george floyd's brother top of the hour?
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>> yes. we are. recovering a lot of big story essing on the sunday show this morning. look ahead to the second week of the derek chauvin trial with george floyd's brother felonious. ben crump, family attorney. the reverend al sharpton, our colleague will be here and talk to the president of the ford foundation. one of the top black executives who helped spur corporate america's new resistance to voter suppression and as we mark the 53rd anniversary of the assassination of dr. king while wa talk to his son. i want to know what his father would have to say about this moment in mystery. some of what we're covering. >> this is where my disdain for you, jonathan comes in. i want rest after my show, but i can't get it because you load up your show with interesting things to watch. there will be no rest. i'lling watching. see you on tv soon.
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catch "the sunday show" top of the hour. back to that topic of george floyd's death. george floyd was one of a long list of black american whose died unjustly at the hands of police, but there are many more who are hassle and treated unfairly by police every day. it's a fear that every black parent carries inside them about their children. a sense of nerve possibility of being unable to protect them from law enforcement and the justice system. coming up, i'll talk to a mother of two teens and how she straddled those two worlds. d t
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died the way they did because of those names and so many others, for black people in this country, there's a feeling of fear and inevitability when it comes to the police. the reality that is, if your skin is black or brown, you will likely be targeted and have a frightening encounter with police at some point in your life. and despite what some parents think, it doesn't often matter whether you are wearing a hoodie or a three-piece suit. run-ins with the police will happen eventually. moms and dads of black children carry around the typical parental worry that we all have, plus they bear an even worse fear, a fear for their children for their encounters with police. after a quick break, i'm going to talk to someone who understands both sides of that intimately. hold my pouch. ♪ trust us, us kids are ready to take things into our own hands. don't think so? hold my pouch.
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what happened to george floyd is every black parent's worst nightmare. their black son or daughter getting unjustly hassled by police, an encounter that could very well end in death. that fear is very real. joining me is sonia pruitt with themontgomery county, maryland. good to see you. last weekend i was in minneapolis and talking to black people there and one of the conversations that came up was this idea that, you know, parents of kids, generally, but parents of black kids, often give them a set of instructions or directions to keep them safe
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in interactions with the police. and when those interactions occur, sometimes those kids are held responsible either for the way they dress or the attitude they displayed to authority. and there are people saying to me they wonder whether this trial of george floyd's killers will make a difference. will parents rethink the idea that maybe my kids dressing or behavior isn't to blame for how things go wrong sometimes in their interactions with police. i wanted to get your thoughts on that. >> good morning. so how your child dresses, how they wear their hair, the brown, chocolate, vanilla, blackness of their skin, they are not to blame for that. and it's unfortunate we sort of -- we inherit this psychological trauma, this emotional trauma. it comes from slavery all the way through all of our ancestors
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up to us now. now here we are at what could be a point of reckoning in this country surrounding slavery. and as a black parent, you know, you talk about the twins earlier. wonderful children. i would hate that they would have a bad encounter with police, but i have to have them grounded in the reality of our existence in this country. i have to be very candid with them. and that takes a toll as well. >> one of the people i spoke with last weekend talked about something that happened in their teenage years where they had an experience with the law. and that their family was almost as hard on them or wanted the authorities to be as hard on them as the police did because they felt they had brought this upon themselves. this person's family. how does -- does that conversation change? is that conversation evolving, do you believe in black families? that maybe when somebody gets a run-in with the law, it's just not their fault? >> yes, i do -- anecdotally, i
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think that conversation is changing as we become more aware of where the hurt comes from and where the responsibility lies. and now we can talk about the fact that that was not your fault. you know, you were just going about living your life, driving while black, walking while black, having lunch in the park while black. that was not on you. and so part of the responsibility of people like me is to make sure people understand that. and that we, you know, we own this country as much as anyone else does. we helped to build this country, our ancestors did. and so we get to be responsible for our actions, but we don't get to take on someone else's problems and issues. >> sonia, i could have this conversation for a very long time with you, and we're going to, but unfortunately we're out of time on this show. thank you again. you bring a remarkable perspective to this discussion as a police officer and as a mother. sonia pruitt is a retired
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captain with the montgomery county, maryland, police department and founder of the black police experience. and she's the mom of two young black men. that does it for me. thank you for waking up with me this morning. catch "velshi" next saturday and sunday. don't go anywhere, though. "the sunday show" with jonathan capehart starts right now. the trial of derek chauvin resumes tomorrow, and just a few moments, reaction from george floyd's brother. philonise. ben crump, the floyd family's attorney, and my colleague, the reverend al sharpton. black business leaders spur corporate america's new resistance to voter suppression. i'll talk to one of the executives leading the charge. ford foundation president darren walker. and what would dr. king say on this 53rd anniversary of his assassination? i'll ask his son, martin luther king iii.
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i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." this easter sunday, we sit on the precipice of the second week of the derek chauvin trial for the death of george floyd. expected to testify this week is minneapolis police chief meddaria arredondo who will take the stand against his former officer. it adds to the noteworthy moments where we've seen the blue wall of silence, that unspoken bond of solidarity between police officers begin to crumble. >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint. >> and that was after he was handcuffed and on the ground and no longer resistant? >> correct. >> what is your, you

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