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governor brian kemp blasts major league baseball for moving its all-star game out of the state in protest of the new restrictive voting laws. >> in the middle of a pandemic, major league baseball put the wishes of stacy abram and joe biden ahead of the economic well-being of hard-working georgians who were counting on the all-star game for a paycheck. >> more republican-led states considering similar measures as corporate america faces pressure to take a public stand. former president donald trump in the midst of another controversy, explosive new details on how he took advantage of his own supporters while seeking donations for his 2020 presidential run. we're heading into day six of testimony in the derek chauvin trial tomorrow. the minneapolis police chief in a rare move, taking the stand against one of his own. and hunter biden opening up with heartbreaking new details about his addiction and his
brother in his first tv interview since his dad took office. >> good morning, everybody. it is sunday, april 4th. i'm lindsey reiser. >> i'm kendis gibson. vatican city have been celebrating easter mass throughout the morning. this is st. peter's square unlike you have not seen it since last year, but rarely on easter sunday do you see this few people there. nobody allowed there. thousands of people who usually gather there are not there, in part because this is the first full day that italy re-enters covid lockdown restrictions along with neighboring france. >> seconds pandemic era easter there. we have a team of reporters and analysts following stories for you now. week two of testimony in the derek chauvin trial kicks off tomorrow. after an emotional week of eyewitness accounts, minneapolis police chief could testify
against his own officers. >> they say his testimony will clearly state chauvin's use of force was excessive. megan fitzgerald has been following the latest of the trial. there were explosive testimony and emotional ones in the past week. this week we get down to the science and logistics. >> that's absolutely right. legal experts say we can expect to build on the momentum of trying to paint for jurors that derek chauvin used excessive force. we heard from eyewitnesss who saw george floyd take his last breath, breaking down on the witness stand. we heard from pool reporters inside the courtroom that jurors
were hanging on their every word, taking copious notes. the powerful testimony came at the end of the week in a shocking move when we saw two high-ranking minneapolis police officers testifying against one of their own, derek chauvin, saying the use of force in that 9:26 video was uncalled for. i want you to listen to the exchange between the prosecution and these two officers. >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have lessened the restraint. >> that's when he was handcuffed, on the ground and no longer resistant? >> correct. >> what is your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> reporter: and, kendis and lindsey, as you mentioned, we'll be seeing something we likely don't usually see next week when
the police chief of the minneapolis police department testifies, taking the stand against derek chauvin. and then we're going to hear from the medical xmenner. he's going to be one of the witnesses the prosecution will call. he's going to talk about the autopsy results and what led to george floyd's death. next week will be compelling as was last week as we get into the second week of testimony for the prosecution. >> do we have a sense of how long -- did we get any up date on how long we expect the trial last? >> reporter: so, the projection is that in total it's going to be another three to four weeks from now. we're talking the end of april into the beginning of may is what they're saying. >> wow. even as quickly it has been moving in the last week, we still have almost a month to go. megan fitzgerald joining us from minneapolis. thank you. let's bring in the former los angeles police department detective as well as the author of the book "a deep divide",
timothy williams. mr. williams, thank you for being here. as we just heard right there, the prosecution will be calling the minneapolis police chief. sn officer testifying against one of his own is sometimes referred to as crossing the blue line of silence. you're former lapd. what is the significance really of this? >> well, what the chief is going to do is tell the court, as well as all of us watching that chauvin did violate department policy as it relates to use of force. and they go into detail as to the training that the officers received and how they are supposed to apply that training in the field and how the use of the knee to the neck was not -- it was out of policy as testified to by the lieutenant and patrol deputy last week.
>> you're former lapd. the defense has had an interesting strategy. the strategy is that they couldn't take care of mr. floyd because they were too distracted by the crowds. they kept asking other police officers who took the stand about that. when you hear that sort of argument, say, you were out on the scene and you had a similar situation like this, would it have stopped you or somebody from getting off a suspect's neck? >> no. number one, i wouldn't have been on the neck. number two, that wasn't a crowd. that was a group of people gathered there. i know what crowds look like. i've been in law enforcement for -- practicing for over 29 years. and this is going on my 47th year in this business. so, what you had was not a crowd. what you had was a group of people, bystanders, who were looking at something that was out of place and trying to get the officers to do something for
mr. floyd and to try to mitigate what they were seeing. they were trying to de-escalate something that officers should have been de-escalate. >> in the trial it was revealed that chauvin knelt on floyd's neck for 9:29. that's almost a minute more than previously thought. and floyd was unresponsive for almost four of those minutes. in this week of trial we saw some body camera footage, we heard one of the officers saying, should we put him on his side, we heard testimony from the commander zimmerman that once floyd stopped resisting, he absolutely chauvin should have gotten up. when you heard these details and watched some body camera footage, what did you think? >> well, i think there was a lack of concern, there was no respect -- again, there was no respect for his physical well-being, and that violated the policy for the sanctity of
life. the thing is that, you know, officers are trained in asphyxiation. you get that from the academy, you get it from continuing education and throughout your career. this is something that is a major issue in law enforcement. when you get a person handcuffed, they should bring him to the side and set him up so there is not labored breathing. when you go through the training at the academy, everything you see applied on the suspect is applied to you as a cadet or recruit so you know what the person is going through when the person is going through it. when you have somebody on your back, i've been through this, when you have somebody on their back, you have decrease in breathing because your diaphragm is compressed. so compound that with a knee on your neck and two other individuals holding you down
with their weight. well, you can't breathe. >> timothy williams, hard to hear details. we're expecting more difficult details this week. thank you for joining us. coming up, the floyd family's reaction. elg on george floyd's brother, attorney ben crump and reverend al sharpton. we have new police officer of video of kenny shaver. >> he was injured in the latest attack on the nation's capitol when that car rammed into a checkpoint and another officer was killed in the incident. amanda golden is live for us on capitol hill. it was quite a scene that officer got when he left the hospital yet. >> reporter: quite an emotional moment as officer shaver was released from the hospital with a brace on his leg after having
been injured in the attack we saute place on friday. you can see his fellow officers from the capitol police department, cheering him on, encouraging him after a horrific day, yet another deadly day on capitol hill. as you noted, there was a fellow capitol hill police officer, billy evans, who was killed in the attack. we noted that he had been a member of the police force here for over 18 years. he was also part of the first responders unit for the capitol police. this all comes as there is a continued investigation into the suspect, that's 25-year-old noah green, following his death and the motives for what happened in the attack that he perpetrated on friday at the capitol. we're getting some more information as the investigation continues into the motives behind the attack, especially as law enforcement is combing through his social media, seeing postings he has put up indicating that he was having a tough couple of months, a tougher few weeks and seeing some social media that reflects real mental health issues,
indicating there was a lot else going on for his family and friends as they've been reviewing these posts. in particular it was noted that he had been making reference to the nation of islam. that is a designated hate group by the southern poverty law firm that does not follow the teachings of the religion of islam but this is coming as there's renewed scrutiny on capitol hill for security, sxo posture of police forces, national guard, fencing we've seen for the last weeks and months leading up from january 6th just as things were starting to get more normal, some fencing coming down that we've spoken so much about, there's now a renewed call to re-examine what that posture of security should be here. pe had a new state from chuck schumer yesterday noting the needed review of security to look into what should be done and also making an indication there's already bipartisan review happening within senate committees to how to bolster security and make sure this complex at the capitol remains accessible to the rest of the nation as it is a very public
place. we actually did hear from one congressman just yesterday, congressman mendhi speaking with lindsey reiser about that complex here at the capitol. >> now we're seeing, i think, some follow-up where people see the united states capitol as a target for whatever anger or problems they may perceive and have. so, it's an ongoing issue that we're going to have to deal with. i don't want to see razor wire and fences around the capitol but obviously we're going to need additional security in the months and days ahead until this nation calms down once again. >> reporter: so, the review of security will continue over the next few weeks and months, but it should be noted that msnbc news has learned there is a bill being worked up in congress that would bring an additional $2 billion in funding to bolster security practices throughout the complex. expect further in the coming
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this is easter sunday, a time when christians all over the world come together to celebrate their faith. this year, of course, will look a little different and similar to last year. millions of devoted worshippers tuned in online or tv to see pope francis celebrate and deliver his easter remarks just about an hour ago. st. peter's square, in the meantime, empty in vatican city as italy enters a short lockdown
yet again. nbc's sarah harman is in london with how the world is celebrating easter for the second time during the pandemic. sarah, good morning to you. there are several countries in europe who have gone back and forth on whether to enter lockdown on this easter, including germany and france. >> reporter: hey, kendis, good morning. that's exactly right. europe is really lagging behind both the u.s. and britain when it comes to its vaccine rollout. this morning on easter sunday we're seeing some of the effects of that. just as many u.s. states are beginning to ease restrictions, europe is going back into national lockdowns in many countries italy, as you mentioned, but also france, germany has increased restrictions, as well as poland. we heard the pope confront the pandemic head-on. this is his second easter without crowds. he talked about the importance
of vaccines, calling them an essential tool and called them to be offered to poorer countries, while here in europe many are struggling with their vaccine rollout. it's a difficult situation. in ireland all churches are closed, a country where the catholic religion is widely practiced. no one is able to attend an easter mass for a second year in a row. a very difficult easter here in europe. kendis? >> yeah, it really is a different easier. sarah harman joining us. fighting disinformation at the border. the new push to discourage people from journeying to the u.s. plus -- >> anything from sports to how you make a living. and they will stop at nothing to silence all of us. >> georgia's governor with battle cries. the mlb has already pulled the all-star game out of the state.
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fall out over georgia's new restrictive voting law growing by the day. the governor says he's slamming everyone from politicians to corporations. >> i will be clear. i will not be backing down from this fight. major league baseball, coca-cola and delta may be scared of stacey abrams, joe biden and the left, but i am not. >> reaction has been pouring in from across the political spectrum. former president obama congratulated the league for taking a stand while republicans are framing this as an example of cancel culture. with me is cliff albright, co-founder of the black voters matter fund. we had you on last week, and
companies were still being cautious at the time. they hadn't come out with their strong stance. for you, is it too little, too late? wasn't your group on the phone with these businesses before it was signed, telling them what this would do? >> yes, it is late but it's never too late to do the right thing. these companies can still speak out about trying to get this law repealed, they can still speak out about supporting laws in states like texas and arizona and still speak out about the need to pass federal legislation like hr-1 and hr-4, the john lewis voting act and we the people act. it's not too late for them to make up for time in georgia or to get into the battle, or as will mlb might say, get in the game to help fight suppression in elder states and across the country. >> before president trump weighed in yesterday saying, in part, it's finally time for republicans and conservatives to fight back. we have more people than they do, by far.
we've seen attempts to cancel these companies by the very people who decry cancel culture. do you think the pressure from republicans will cause others to cave? >> i don't think so. even here in georgia, after delta came out with its statement, it the state legislature tried to punish them with residual tax breaks. i think companies will stand strong. they said it's unacceptable, these laws are unacceptable so we'll take them at their word and hopefully see the actions to follow it up. i think it's ironic. you talk about the so-called cancel culture. here you have a bill that literally cancels voting access, cancels days of access to early voting, cancels vote by mail, provisional ballots and allows states to cancel boards of election. that's hypocrisy and they're
calling about canceling mlb. power without love just cares about power. and that's what, you know, on this day of martin luther king's anniversary of his assassination, he reminded us of that years ago even as he was leading calls for boycotts of some companies. >> yeah, the 53rd anniversary today. before we let you go, you mentioned other states. where do you go from here now? mayor keisha lance bottoms was on with ali velshi yesterday about what could be done. >> it's too late for the legislature to go back and reconsider this. the governor certainly can call a special session, have them reconsider this, make tweaks to it so it is truly a bill that expands access to right to vote. i think this is the first of many domino effect. we are all going to suffer because of it. >> cliff, is that even within the realm of possibility after
kemp doubled down yesterday that they go back in special session? if not, what are you and other activists doing in other states where these measures are being proposed? >> yeah. whether it happens in special session or whether it happens in just their next regular session, either way the demands is the same to repeal the bill. there's never been a law passed, we just passed a major piece of legislation regarding citizens death. it can be repealed one way or another. we've already taken the fight to other states like texas. we're in a great coalition there with organizations like texas organizing projects and others that are about to have a full week of actions in regards to their bill. they're including the ability to campaign as well. i want to say one thing about the boycotts and the nature of this call. because some say there's going to be economic impacts. certainly the reality is we're
already feeling the economic impacts of voter suppression. voter suppression is a bread and butter issue. it's led to economic consequences and health consequences. so, if we're going to suffer the consequences mlb in its statement said they were still going to envest in benefits. >> thank you for coming back and speaking with us. now to the surge of our nation at the southern borders. they try to fight disinformation and overcrowding at border stations. preliminary data obtained by msnbc shows tens of thousands of children who crossed the border by themselves last month alone.
cal perry is on the ground in el paso, texas. good morning to you. >> reporter: title 42 is something we'll talk more and more about. it was a law instituted from trump. it's a law from 1932 that trump reinstituted and it gives power for border patrol agents to immediately turn around migrants and send them back to mexico and they're using el paso the base for that. it's forcing people to make that impossible decision as to whether or not they should separate from their children. we've been talking to dylan corbett on the ground, the head of the hope border institute. take a listen to what he had to say. >> unfortunately what that does is incentivize children crossing on their own. either the family makes the painful decision to send their child and try repeatedly to cross the border over and over in hopes of reuniting with that child or children on their own make that decision without even telling their parents.
in some circumstances we've seen painful, heartbreaking stories like that. >> reporter: it is a reminder that the border with mexico is closed. people cannot come right now and claim asylum. it's something most migrants are unaware of when they enter the country. most migrants returned to juarez don't even realize they go back to mexico until they get there. it is heartbreaking scenes here in el paso and juarez. >> cal perry, such a tense scene and situation for so many thousands of people. appreciate your reporting down there in el paso. hunter biden opening up about addiction, the tragic death of his brother and mom, as well as the former president donald trump. he's looking to turn the page, literally, on his past w this new tell-all book. we'll dive into it. 'll dive intt
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president biden's son hunter biden opening up. nbc news got a copy of his book offering up a lot of never before heard details, including his battle with substance abuse. nbc white house correspondent monica alba joining us now. hunter is touching on everything, personal and politics. >> reporter: it is a dive into his own personal struggles,
lindsey, specifically with opioid abuse and addiction. he goes into a harrowing account about that and he talks about his own business dealings, those that came under such scrutiny with his father's presidential campaign. while he does defend the fact that he took that board seat with barisma, he says he wouldn't do it again, but most importantly, he says he doesn't believe there was anything unethical about doing it but in hindsight he says it shouldn't be repeated. i want to read an excerpt saying, did i make a mistake by taking a seat on the board of a ukrainian gas company? no. did i display a lack of judgment? no. would i do it again? no. what i do believe in this current climate is that it
wouldn't matter what i did or didn't do. the attacks weren't intended to hurt my dad. he tries to explain the decision at the time saying he wanted to be able to make money through something like this so he could spend more time with beau biden in his final days and months after he was struggling with brain cancer. of course, ultimately died from that. and this is really an emotional look. we're getting a sense from an interview that hunter biden has also done with cbs ahead of the book's release where he really talks about a devastating moment where he was trying to get help and his father was the one urging him to seek it. take a listen to that. >> this was the hardest part of the book to write. and he grabbed me in a hug and grabbed me, gave me a bear hug, and he said -- he just cried. he said, i don't know what to
do. i don't know what to do. >> reporter: this is something the president has spoken about a couple of times. most notably viewers may remember in that first presidential debate last fall where he said he had struggled with this in his own family and he wanted other people to be able to relate to the struggle and learn from it. and that's what i think you're going to see a lot of in this book. but it is notable also hunter biden saying he really was the object of a lot of former president trump's ire, which we know. there was so much made of the where's hunter, such a focus of the campaign. he said he was amused by that a little bit because in the hunter hunter biden feels vindicated given he hasn't been charged with wrongdoing and his father was able to win the presidency. >> him saying in his words that it was a tactic for the president at the time to, quote, divert from his own corrupt behavior.
>> let's bring in myles taylor, former dhs chief of staff and he spoke out against president trump as anonymous in a new york post piece, and david holder who has done a lot of work digging into trump's finances. welcome to both of you. i want to start with this excerpt from hunter biden book. referencing former president trump. take a look, he writes, throughout the campaign, trump attacked everyone in the family in the harshest, most horrible terms. but instead of tearing us apart, the barrage of assaults accomplished the opposite. they allowed us to fully heal again. that part stood out to me because both of you guys have been targets of trump in the past. miles, how does this resonate for you personally? >> that's a great question, kendis. i'm glad you asked it. hunter biden put that in pretty eloquent terms. donald trump is the master of the politics of personal destruction.
look, in my own life he came after me, he came after -- he and his supporters came after family members. we had to leave our home, our jobs, had to hire a full-time security detail. no one needs to have sympathy for me for that, but in my own case i would say what hunter biden articulated is relevant. it actually allowed me and my family members to get closer because you realize this man is a grifter, a con artist and cruel. typically your family members are going to side with you over the grifter and the cruel con artist that wants to destroy people. look, i think it's sickening. it's one of the reasons we're relieved to have donald trump further out of our politics, but we have to look back at this period and learn a lesson and see the total damage done by bad rhetoric coming from our nation's leaders and how much of an effect it can have on the country and our own civility as americans. >> david, i want you to pick up on that. you may echo the same sentiments from miles. the white house was building a
dossier on you after you reported on trump's businesses. did it backfire, do you think? >> well, i have to say that in my case, the abuse and the targeting and everything else was so much less than i think a huge variety of people got. they did, as you said, the white house said they were building a, quote/unquote, dossier on me. it never came out, i never even heard what was supposed to be in it. i think that was pretty small compared to what a lot of people, including miles, experienced. but i think you're right, the way trump sought to use other people's problems to distract from his own, to distract from his own behavior. it was fairly successful in 2016, less so in 2020 because one reason he wasn't able to pull it off and win the presidency with it. >> so many americans are facing that problem within their own households also, if you're going after hunter biden in that way. i want to ask you, david, about a "new york times" investigation that found supporters of trump who thought they were donating
only once to his 2020 campaign were actually charged over and over and over and over again without their knowledge. the campaign eventually had to return some $122 million in interest-free loans essentially. what's your take on this reporting? have we seen anything of this scale before? >> in the world of politics, we haven't. this is something new. "the new york times" had this great story where they would precheck boxes in fund-raising emails. you thought you were giving trump $500 but because of a box down below you were giving $500 every week and they would take that out until, in some cases, people ran out of money. i covered trump university, a case where they found people down on their luck, didn't have that much money but believed in donald trump and basically used this mechanism to suck as much money out of them as they could. the thing that stuck out to me in "the times" story and my coverage of trump university,
people continued to believe in trump even after he took all their money and they believed it was someone else responsible, not trump himself. >> one person in "the new york times" reporting was a cancer patient in hospice who couldn't afford utilities or rent. >> my mother is a hospice nurse. you see how difficult life is for people at end of life and to raid someone of their money at the end of their life has to add onto that hardship for the whole family. look, this is what it made me think of when i saw "the new york times" report. donald trump one time said he was glad there was a coronavirus pandemic because it meant he didn't have to shake the hands of his disgusting supporters. so, on the one hand, trump doesn't want to shake their hands but he wants to raid their pocketbooks. this shouldn't surprise us because this is who the man has always been. he's a major league all-star of grifting. a con artist, as my fellow guest
noted, promoting trump casinos, trump universities, trump mother-in-laws, and the trump administration which ended up being a scam and we know the trump campaign was a scam. donald trump once told me in office -- an oval office meeting that he believed even if he didn't have a reason to sue someone, it was good to sue them because you got them to settle and do what you wanted. my suggestion for people who have been affected by this is maybe they should consider using donald trump's own advice and suing him back. but we'll see what happens. >> what an oval office conversation. >> thank you both for being here. coming up, impending disaster. hundreds of millions of radioactive wastewater is on the brink of flooding neighborhoods in florida. the race to contain this next. tonight nbc news senior national correspondent kate snow investigates for-profit companies that run youth homes. it's a system some say profits off of and has failed many
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man tee. manatee. officials have declared of emergency. and homes are being evacuated at this hour near a reservoir holding radioactive water in manatee county that could collapse at any moment. that wastewater is less than three miles from tampa bay. as well as two other vital florida waterways. sam brock is on the ground in palmetto with more on this. sam, this does appear as if it's a race against time with thousands and thousands of people impacted now and possibly more. >> reporter: in many different ways, kendis. this is effectively a ticking time bomb. you're looking at the evacuation zone. police have that blocked off. we are about two miles south of
piney point which has three man-made ponds out there holding wastewater. the one that's compromised at the moment has saltwater, but that is positioned next to two other ponds, and those ponds contain water that has radioactive elements like uranium in them. the concern if one ruptures it compromise all of it. now crews have been spending hours around the clock trying to fortify the leaky wall on the first pond. those efforts failed. so the mention at this point is to try to dump 22,000 gallons of water purr hour which is 400 million gallons of water total in that pond out into the gulf of mexico as quickly as possible but that is expected to take 12 days to finish. the biggest concern is that if that water ruptures, these 400 million gallons would go flooding with a 20 foot high wall of water and several feet of flooding into the surrounding community. there are 300 homes back there, though it is still rural, there is also a giant power facility
critical to florida that is back there too. so those are the primary concerns. we heard yesterday from the county administrator detailing the urgency of the situation. here is what he said. >> we're talking about the potential of about 600 million gallons within a matter of seconds and minutes leaving that retention pool and going around the surrounding area. fortunately, the population density is relatively low, extremely low. so a lot of agriculture area and there are residual borrow pits that have capacity to absorb a bulk of that. >> reporter: you heard him say 600 million. there is some discrepancies over how much water we're talking about but the bottom line is this is exceedingly dangerous. the governor is expected to address the residents of florida in a matter of hours. we'll have updates throughout the day. back to you.