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they're all challenges facing congress, and representative john garamendi will help us get a better understanding of them. i'll also ask him whether the house infrastructure committee, which he's a member of, will allow funding to go beyond roads, bridges, and railways, to things like green energy. plus. >> it's just not right. this is jim crow on steroids, what they're doing in georgia and 40 other states. this is all about keeping working folks and ordinary folks that i grew up with from being able to vote. >> first it was georgia passing a voter restriction law and now texas is on the verge, and 45 other states are looking at actions of their own. the new political fight pitting state leaders against their own citizens and job-creating corporations. reality on the ground, more than 170,000 people tried to cross america's southern border last month. who's being turned away, and what are conditions like now for
adults and children as they wait to be processed through the immigration system? meanwhile, legal experts say week one of derek chauvin's murder trial proved to be a strong one for the prosecution and it all centers around one question. >> what is your, you know, your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. i'll ask a former police officer for her take on the strength of the prosecution's case and what we can expect coming up in week two. plus, with a wave of violence against asian-americans coming to light, how do parents talk about this racially charged threat with their kids? and is a history lesson in classrooms a decent start? also, talk of a so-called vaccine passport turns into a political hot potato. florida's governor just banned them before they're even really a thing. other states are developing this process as we speak, so how did an official procedure already used in the u.s. to prove you've
been vaccinated, turn into a controversy? we begin today with the attack on capitol hill yesterday that left one capitol police officer dead and another injured. joining me right now, democratic congressman john garamendi of california. he's also a member of the transportation and infrastructure committee. congressman, good afternoon. first, i want to get your reaction to that deadly attack, capitol hill police officer william evans, an 18-year veteran of the force, was killed. this was a time when congress was not there. schools -- school kids were not there, of course, because of the pandemic. but how does this heighten fears at the place that you go to work to every day? what are your safety concerns? >> well, first of all, it's just a great tragedy. this was a fellow that many of us knew, we often see him as he went about his work and as we went about ours. he was there protecting us and now he's been murdered. and it's a tragic situation. i have the good fortune, along
with 435 and 100 members of the senate to have extraordinary protection in washington, d.c., but we noticed -- we certainly saw on january 6th that that was insufficient when an enraged mob attacked the capitol. and now we're seeing, i think, some follow-up where people see the united states capitol as a target for whatever anger or problems they may perceive and have. so, it's an ongoing issue that we're going to have to deal with. i don't want to see razor wire and fences around the capitol, but obviously, we're going to need additional security in the months and days ahead until this nation calms down once again. >> certainly. let's talk, congressman, about the president's $2 trillion infrastructure plan, which would be paid for over 15 years by ending the trump-era tax cuts. the president says it will create millions of new jobs and help fight climate change, but there is a concern about how it
could impact existing jobs like those in the auto industry, for example. have you started to work the phones and call up your colleagues on the right to try and sell them this plan? >> we have had some conversations along the way. in fact, we've been working on elements of this plan for the last three months in the new congress and all of last year. the surface transportation piece was actually written last september. it will be modified as the president has suggested some modifications, but that's just one piece of an extraordinarily important infrastructure. you have to consider infrastructure in its fullness as being the foundation upon which the economy grows and economic opportunity and social justice can be achieved. and that's what biden has proposed. you take my area, which is both urban and very large rural area, you simply cannot get modern communications, broadband,
cellular or internet in a large portion of my district so everybody there is going to be left out. so there's a broadband piece of this and i'm curious to see what the folks in kansas, the senators and the members of the house are going to say when their farmers and rural folks are saying, what about the broadband? you're going to vote no? well, we'll see. >> yeah, that digital divide only heightened by this pandemic here. so, congressman, we heard from amy stelly at the end of the last hour. i'm not sure if you heard any of her interview, a wonderful pioneer in new orleans who is really making an impact in her neighborhood. how would this impact the average american watching? is their commute going ton short? is that bring in their hometown going to get some tlc? maybe they can finally afford an electric car? >> all of those things, and you asked earlier about the auto industry. general motors is going to go all electric, and we know that several of the major supply companies, fedex and u.p.s., they're going to go electric. and so, the electric car
industry can be built in america, and one thing that biden has been very, very clear about from the time that we met with him, eight of us in the oval office four weekends ago, is that american taxpayer money is going to be spent on american-made equipment, american products, and american services. and so there will be jobs everywhere across america in the auto industry, the electronics industry, the electrical grid is going to have to be upgraded, all kinds of green power are going to have to be put in place, and we're going to be inventing because of the research money that biden has added, we're going to be inventing modern energy storage systems far more than the old lead battery that's in your car right now. many different ways this would be done, but that's where the research fits into it. so, what biden has proposed to this nation is an extraordinary a to z infrastructure program, including a major educational
program, job retraining, job education in the community colleges and beyond, and so for those folks that have been left out, there will be an opportunity for jobs in virtually every sector of the american economy, and there will be training programs to make them ready for those jobs. >> okay, and congressman, before we let you go, i want to ask you about the growing calls for your colleague, congressman matt gaetz, to resign after reports say the justice department is investigating whether he had a sexual relationship with a minor and paid for her to travel with him. how do you think this should be handled? should we wait for the investigation? should we wait for any charges? should he keep his committee assignments right now? >> well, the allegations are horrendous. they're just horrible allegations. we'll see what happens. this thing is evolving very, very quickly. and not only mostly in the public right now, but quite possibly in the justice department, if any of these allegations are true, he should be thrown out of congress, and
in some cases, if these allegations, they may very well be criminal activities and he will have to face the court if that is the case. but oh my god, you're looking at allegations here that you're going, could it be? could it be that a member of congress actually did this when he was in congress? well, we'll find out. >> yeah. right now, he hasn't been charged yet. he denies all of the allegations and he refuses to resign. democratic congressman john garamendi of california, good to talk to you. thank you, sir. i want to bring in my panel now, susan, republican strategist and an msnbc political analyst. jonathan allen, senior political reporter for nbc news digital and coauthor of "lucky: how joe biden barely won the presidency." charlie sykes, founder and editor at large of the bulwark and an msnbc contributor and donna edwards, former democratic congresswoman of maryland, contributing columnist at the "washington post" and an msnbc analyst. good afternoon to all of you, and susan, we'll pick up where we left off with the congressman with you and those allegations.
according to "the new york times," gaetz had a long reputation among colleagues for really awful behavior, including a fondness for illicit drugs and younger women and members of his own party had learned to keep their distance. what are you hearing from your political colleagues about him and what do you see of the political implications of this? >> well, the political scuttlebutt, if you will, is that he's toast, that these are all very believable allegations, which is why he only had, i think, like jim jordan and marjorie taylor greene, like, the only two extremes backing matt gaetz, and that tells you a lot. because people know when to move away from someone, and that's what they've done right now. these are very serious charges. he's been out there, it's a convoluted story, but i think it's going to just end up being broken down to having, you know, being involved with women and potentially underage women. >> and no charges yet.
they're still allegations. but charlie, to susan's point, republicans have been pretty quiet about this. we know house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the allegations serious. a republican congressman from california donated gaetz's campaign contributions to an organization supporting domestic abuse, but otherwise, it's pretty quiet on the gop front. should they be more outspoken right now? >> well, yes, they ought to be but i think a lot of them are doing two things. number one, they're waiting to see what donald trump is going to say, will trump throw his loyalist under the bus, and number two, waiting for the investigation. what's very clear is that matt gaetz doesn't have many friends. everybody basically hates him. but what's really interesting about this and why this is more, i think, significant than just one congressman who's behaving badly, is gaetz himself has written about the way that donald trumps that changed the moral, i would say, parameters in the republican party, how he's created a permission structure, because he was not a
puritan, because he got away with so much stuff from the "access hollywood" video to paying off a porn star, and so, matt gaetz has very explicitly said that donald trump has made it easier for someone like him to live the life that he was living, and he says over and over again, i am not a monk. i'm a congressman. which, of course, echos the trumpist line that you elect a president, not a preacher. so, in many ways, matt gaetz is very much a creature of this new trumpfied right in which character really doesn't matter as long as you hit the right culture war buttons. >> congresswoman edwards, let's talk about president biden's infrastructure bill. you were on the transportation and infrastructure committee when you served in congress, so give us a sense right now of how far-reaching this bill is, particularly compared to previous efforts. >> well, i think it's really comprehensive. both to deal with the existing
infrastructure problems that we have, whether it's our roads and bridges, our water and sewer, but also to look toward the future. i think, as congressman garamendi pointed out. a lot of investment in, you know, sort of research and development. i also think the important part that he didn't get to but the president is going to get to in a couple of weeks is this idea of a care economy so that you have an economy of care giving that also supports an economy that's building roads and bridges, laying broadband in rural communities. it's going to create millions of jobs. it will propel us into the future. and anybody who's been to an airport internationally knows that our airports really stink, and so it's, you know, it's a good idea to invest in this kind of infrastructure to create jobs and opportunities. >> i don't know. i'm partial to phoenix sky
harbor, but it is revamped so we'll give you that. jonathan, you've got an nbc piece out today on the housing component of the plan and really how it differs from the way former president trump tried to characterize it, and you write, quote, on the campaign trail last year, president donald trump warned that joe biden would abolish the suburbs by forcing them to change housing regulations. but that's not the case here. can you explain how this would work and really is it proof that trump was just fear mongering? >> sure, lindsey, and this is a piece of a much larger effort to get affordable housing back to where it needs to be. about a quarter of renters right now pay a majority of their income in rent. the affording housing stock is down by some estimates 2 or 3 million from where it needs to be. but with regard to the suburbs, and this is true of cities and towns and suburbs of different sizes, what biden is going to say to communities is, rather than forcing them or using the threat of existing federal
dollars to force them to change their zoning laws and land use laws to allow more affordable housing, what he's going to do is offer up a pot of grants. grant money that these communities can use for a variety of different things if they are willing to start developing more affordable housing and refurbishing affordable housing in their neighborhoods. so what you see is an approach that i think is going to give incentive to a lot of communities that have tried to avoid having lower rent housing in their areas to get involved, because they're going to get extra money for transportation and various forms of infrastructure. >> it really is needed. so many people are getting priced out. and jonathan, we know you were at the capitol yesterday during that attack. we are glad that you are safe, and we thank you for your reporting yesterday. susan, about the infrastructure plan. we heard president biden say that compromise is inevitable and he was like, look, change the bill, don't change the bill, do something, and he kind of sounds like me when i'm in a meeting and i'm not really sure of my idea and i'm like, if you
like it, but tweak it if you want. is he giving up some of his power by saying, do what you want with it, but do something. >> no, it's actually what he did with the covid relief bill. he said, come to negotiate with me when he put it out there. and the republicans made a garbage effort and offered $600 million and stopped. biden will play "hardball" to get this through if he wants to. but let's not kid ourselves. when it comes to the democrats, you know, they have, in the senate, at 50, they have to keep them all in line, which is very difficult, but what i'm hearing now is more on the house side. nancy pelosi can't afford more than three or four votes -- no votes, and that's going to be a problem because you have a lot of congress members who are saying, it's not doing enough in the aoc wing, if you will, the more progressive wing and in the moderate wing, they're looking for s.a.l.t., the state and local tax deduction to go from
$10,000, to take the cap off and allow it to be greater and that's the place where this is going to be the problem, is definitely in the house, because i mean, the senate's difficult but it's going to be a challenge and we haven't heard much about it yet. >> charlie, another big story that's really dominating headlines is this fight over voting rights and georgia governor brian kemp spoke today. he said he's not going to bow to pressure from major league baseball after they decided to pull the all-star game here. stacey abrams came out against boycotting. she said, really, it doesn't help here. if you're already here, stay and fight. stay and vote. but president biden says he supports the decision for mlb to pull out. has history taught us what works, whether boycotts work, and could it even prevent the future legislation we're seeing right now in other states? >> well, i think that's the key question that you just asked there. you know, georgia's already passed its law and they're not going to back off at this point. but it is a brushback pitch against other states that are doing the same sort of thing, that people are going to have to
say, all right, what are the optics of this? what is the substance of all of this? but what i think is fascinating is watching some of the response of congressional republicans and former president trump to the decision by major league baseball to move the all-star game. you know, the former guy is now calling for a boycott of baseball and you're seeing prominent u.s. senators like mike lee and ted cruz threatening legislative retaliation against baseball, going after their antitrust protections because of the position they've taken. now, if we didn't know better, this certainly sounds like cancel culture, but also the willingness of members of congress and the political class to retaliate against private businesses for taking a stand on all of this, we're kind of in uncharted territory here. >> donna, quickly before we let all of you go, i do want to get to gun violence right now and what congress can do. and president biden says that congress needs to act. he said that after the shooting that we saw in atlanta. i spoke with senator blumenthal
yesterday and he talked about closing loopholes. he talked about the importance of gun safes in homes. what do you think here is the likelihood of success with a sweeping gun safety bill here with the current congress? >> i have to tell you, i always cross my fingers for the hope of us being able to get to gun safety that americans across the board support universal background checks, you know, closing some of these loopholes. but i remain a little bit of a skeptic. i hope that this time is different, and i think it's going to require, you know, changing some real rules in the senate in order to move those things through. >> all right, susan del percio, jonathan allen, charlie sykes, and donna edwards, we covered a lot of ground. still ahead, a record number of unaccompanied children crossed into the u.s. from mexico last month and we're
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her son were there for go days, another who said that she and her 3-year-old daughter were sleeping on the dirt very, very cold and were not able to cover themselves with anything. now, advocates and lawyers have raised red flags about this because they have seen instances like this in the past where they have seen some abuses and mistreatment of these migrant families. i spoke to a lawyer from the aclu, which has filed a foia request to get more information on what is going on here, the average amount of time that families are being detained and what exactly the conditions are. take a listen to my conversation with this aclu lawyer. >> we learned about the conditions they were held in, they were denied access to water. they were denied access to medical care. and that is simply unacceptable. the factor here is customs and border protection has been able to operate this way for years, and without any sort of accountability.
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welcome back. the minneapolis police chief that fired officer derek chauvin is one of the most anticipated witnesses who will take the stand in chauvin's trial in the death of george floyd. the case is expected to continue monday morning, and the prosecutor gave a preview of what we'll hear. >> he is going to tell you that mr. chauvin's conduct was not
consistent with minneapolis police department training, was not consistent with minneapolis police department policy, was not reflective of the minneapolis police department. he will not mince any words. he's very clear. he'll be very decisive that this was excessive force. >> the chief made these public comments denouncing chauvin's actions in comments following the week of floyd's death. >> in my mind, this was a violation of humanity. this was a violation of the oath that the majority of the men and women that put this uniform on, this goes absolutely against it. this is contrary to what we believe in. and so, again, what occurred, to me, it was an absolute truth that it was wrong. period. >> and this is where we start with our power legal panel today, retired captain sonia pruitt, the founder of the black police experience. also joining us, rachel,
professor at the university of st. thomas school of law and former u.s. attorney, as well as attorney katie phang, an msnbc legal contributor. captain pruitt, let's start with you. how direct do you think the chief will be when he takes the stand, and do you think the defense, in cross-examination, will bring up those comments that he made to the media? >> well, i certainly hope he is as direct as he was in those comments. those comments mean everything to policing. it means everything to a community that has been traumatized by this incident. they wanted to hear from the leadership, and the leadership laid it out. this goes against everything that we are. it goes against our teaching, our training, it goes against the ethics of policing. and again, i certainly hope that when the prosecution questions him that he says those same things and that he digs down into why he says those things.
ethics for policing is very, very important, very serious, and i dare say if mr. chauvin had taken it seriously, mr. floyd would be alive today. >> captain, i want to get your reaction to a moment that we heard from the trial this week that really stood out. let's play that. >> what is your, you know, your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> i mean, there you go. that sums it up. this is the most senior man on the minneapolis police department, police lieutenant richard zimmerman, the head of the homicide unit. he just laid it out there,point blank. what do you think about his response? >> absolutely appropriate. and true. both he and the sergeants the day before said the force was unnecessary, and when they, you know, when he was questioned about his training, because he's not in patrol, everybody should know that just because you're not in patrol, you do have to
periodically go back and get the same training as patrol officers. so, he was knowledgeable about that particular piece, and he was very confident when he said, it was excessive. and it was part of the officer's responsibility to care for the people who are in their custody. >> rachel, how common or how rare is it to have officers testifying against, really, one of their former coworkers? >> well, we talk about the blue wall of silence, and so hearing police officers testify against other officers is highly unusual, and it points to one of the reasons why convictions against police and police brutality cases are so hard to obtain. and so i think the fact that not only the minneapolis police chief but people up and down the line of law enforcement condemned this action and that thankfully, as one of the witnesses said this past week, we have a videotape, which makes very clear what happened on the scene, it was a very important
message for law enforcement to send to the community that they did not believe, based on what they saw, that this use of force was in any way appropriate or proportional to the incident. >> katie, it was an emotional week, and we want to play a clip from one of the eye-witnesses that took the stand this week. >> at some point, did you make a 911 call? >> that is correct. i did call the police on the police. >> all right. and why did you do that? >> because i believe i witnessed a murder. >> and katie, you're going to have to forgive me for reading this but this is reporting from a pool reporter who was in the courtroom of some of the reaction from jurors. we can't see them, obviously, but one of the reactions to the picture of george floyd on the stretcher, one of the jurors had her hand covering her mouth while watching. all jurors seemed completely engaged in the testimony. they seemed very attentive.
what impact do you think this compelling first week of testimony is having right now on the jury? >> the prosecution has made a case, day after day after day, for the emotionality of their case, and they've done it through the voices of not only adults that were total strangers to george floyd that happened upon the incident, but they did it through the voices of minors. witnesses as young as nine years old that explained the impact of george floyd's death on them. but then we also heard from professionals. we've heard from paramedics and law enforcement, and all of them have had a reaction to this particular incident that just buttresses what we heard was the reaction from the juries, and you know, lindsey, it's important, as a trial lawyer, you want your jurors to remain engaged. you want them to be invested in your case and the prosecution is going to begin week two, and i reasonably anticipate we're
going to have that same level of emotion, but when the trial's going to slow down, lindsey, is when we're going to start getting into the technical components dealing with the excessive use of force arguments as well as whether or not the cause of death was truly at the hands of derek chauvin and the other officers or if it was a result of other medical conditions that george floyd suffered from. and so that's when you're going to see a little bit of the tempo and the pace slow down a little bit but i don't expect the jurors to be disengaged at any time or to be disinterested. i think they're going to take their job seriously, and their oath seriously and they're going to render a verdict that's consistent with the evidence they're going to hear. >> in addition to all this testimony we're hearing, we're also getting some new media too, body camera video, for example. in fact, body camera that chauvin was wearing. let's listen to some of that. >> that's one person's opinion. >> [ bleep ]. >> we got a -- got to control this guy because he's a sizable guy. >> yeah and i --
>> looks like he's probably on something. >> in another clip that we heard in the court, captain pruitt, we heard chauvin telling his sergeant that, forgive me for using this language and paraphrasing, but he was going crazy, which the video at the scene does not support that. what do you make of not only the comments that chauvin was making at the scene but the tone? >> so, here we are again, highlighting these racial tropes of the big, angry, aggressive black man, demonized for opioid use, which is a public health crisis for other people. but what i like that happened this week is, and you mentioned it before, and the panel, that we -- the people were brought in who humanized george floyd. they were able to hear from people who cared about him. they were able to hear from the crowd who saw him as a human being, which obviously mr. chauvin did not see him as a human being.
and, so you know, i'm hoping that the prosecution will continue to defend against these racial tropes of this big, angry black guy and just continue to show him as a -- just a human being who had his faults but did not deserve to die because of those faults. >> all right, well, captain pruitt, rachel, and katie phang, thank you so much for being with us and breaking down not only what we heard but what we can expect to hear again. coming up, new details in the attack of a 65-year-old asian woman in new york city. why it is so difficult to label these types of attacks as hate crimes and how asian-americans can talk to their kids about the racism that they might face. we'll be right back. 'll be righ. and in an emergency, they need a network that puts them first. that connects them to technology, to each other, and to other agencies.
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woman who was talking to church near times square, new york, when she was pushed down, kicked and beaten. you see here it's captured on surveillance video, while people inside watched, doing nothing except closing a door. the suspect faces assault and hate crime charges but this story is far from over. the brutal nature of the crime as well as others before it has caused a surge in awareness of the dangers asian-americans face, and it has stirred a call for action. joining us right now is olivia waxman, who has written about the situation for "time" magazine and susan song is the director of the division of child and adolescent psychiatry at the george washington medical center. the woman attacked in times square is an immigrant from the philippines and the philippine foreign secretary went on twitter and said, it's time for people to fight back with their
right to bear arms. people are hurting here. what do you think is the way to go? >> yeah, it's extremely sad right now. i think, you know, it's impacting our children quite a bit. we need to talk about racism with our children because they're experiencing it, witnessing it on line and if they don't have the language or framework to understand what's going on, they end up believing something is inherently wrong with them, and they're left feeling alone. if we give kids a language about racist behavior, they have a framework to understand the unfairness. and with that, it builds resistant about, you know, against racial shame, around their identity. they can feel more empowered to be allies and to counter racism. >> and olivia, you talked to some teachers after the deadly attack that we saw at the spas in atlanta last month that left eight people did, six of them asian women, and one teacher in boston, katie lee, told you, if people actually understood the history of asian-americans, they wouldn't be so shortsighted in their statements addressing this moment. what would not be so shortsighted, and also, what
needs to be happening in our classrooms right now to educate americans? >> absolutely, so, educators told me that one of the reasons these incidents come as such a shock is because there's so much asian-american history that's not taught in elementary schools and high schools in america. a full, in depth history of asian-americans would include just the countless examples of mob violence, lynchings, harassment that asian-americans have faced throughout u.s. history, and this is history that is hard to talk about. it doesn't portray america in a positive light, and at the same time, it's so important for understanding why these incidents keep happening. in america. >> and suzan, you say kids need to be taught about this and not wait until they begin asking uncomfortable questions here, so people watching at home, they're getting ready to make dinner, what do they need to be thinking about how to frame this conversation with their kids,
and maybe it's different for different ages. >> yeah, it's fantastic because people, especially asian parents right now, we haven't had these conversations before with our own parents, and so we aren't quite sure what to say. we want to be silent about it because it's uncomfortable. typically, our response to racism, for ourselves, is to instill a sense of racial pride because we're often seen as foreigners but racial pride is complicated for asian-americans who believe that suffering is part of life, put your head don't, don't complain, work hard, stay quiet. but silence is not just being complicit. it's agreement. when you see that video that you just showed about this poor 65-year-old asian woman, and the bystanders are just standing there watching and closing the door, that is not just being complicit, that's agreement. when we are silent with our children and having this conversation, it tells them there's something wrong with us because of the shape of our eyes
or the color of our skin, so we need to start young and we first say, we have the intention of talking about racism. a goal for parents. >> no, go ahead. please continue, suzan. >> the goal for parents is just to open the door and to give language and talking about racism. we can say, something bad happened in the news. i want to talk to you about it. some people don't like us because of the shape of our eyes and the color of our skin, and that's called racism. and it's wrong. and it's different from the other mean things that kids say, and we ask about their experiences, how are they feeling? we validate that. we tell them what's going on is scary. we give them the language of fear because kids should not have to be scared to promote social justice or racial justice. >> olivia, quickly, last question to you. you have found asian-american and pacific islanders are often depicted in u.s. history lessons as outsiders, foreigners, or national security threats, but asian-americans make up about 6% of the u.s. population. they're the fastest-growing
racial or ethnic voting bloc in the country. what needs to happen here to bridge this disconnect? >> absolutely. well, we need to also be talking about how asian-americans have helped shape american history. asian-american history makers like patsy mink and larry itliong. there are so many that we can be talking about who have just paved the way for so many americans. >> olivia waxman and suzan song, we'll have to leave it there today but thank you both for joining us on this topic. up next, vaccine passports are being tested in new york and hawaii is working on a similar system to show who's immunized to try and help keep people safe while traveling. but when we come back, how they're also being used by some conservatives to spread anti-vaxxer disinformation. sinfn hey there, i'm joshua johnson, tonight at 9:00 eastern on "the week" our special report on the derek chauvin trial.
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way to do it. as we've seen, there are lots of people on both signs of the ale willing to complain about vaccine passports as both a threat to privacy and also a threat to businesses and to kind of a more authoritarian or draconian position of government. >> ron desantis banned them before they became a thing. then lawmakers like marjorie taylor greene spreading some vaccine conspiracies in relation to this story. you focused on that in your article this week. is that what these politicians are warning against? >> no. most of the gop politicians who have come out strongly, marjorie taylor greene leading the way
with her calling it the mark of the beast and and to corporate communism is her other phrase. they're shouting the loudest because they feel that this is the biden administration's effort to kind of keep control of the country and to not let people do whatever they want to do no matter how it impacts someone else. like, if done properly, covid passports would allow people to reopen businesses, to travel safely, to attend sporting events safely. and it just means that the reason marjorie taylor greene and her allies and ron desantis in florida as well are shouting so loudly about this is they just feel that they don't want to be -- to have the government imposing this on them. they feel as if it's taken away their freedom in some way. but they're just doing it
because they know that's what their base wants to hear, i think. >> the aclu also raising concerns more with logistics. they're concerned about a paper option being too easy to succumb to fraud, but a digital option would be very hard for people who maybe aren't super comfortable with technology. do you see this bag logistical nightmare? >> there's still no guidelines, there are still no structures in place where internationally we have one set of rules about how we do this, about whether we -- how a covid vaccine would work. there are dozens of private companies and groups, ngos working with the white house in the u.s. alone who are trying to put together different ones. we saw the excelsior pass in new york that's being rolled
out. hawaii is trying to do one. it just sounds like a nightmare because no one wants their data to be going into a central database where it's controlled by the government, for example. so without that and without a real road map about how a covid passport would work, that's going to be a logistical nightmare as well. there's also the problems it raises. does everyone have access to that technology. >> david gilbert, thank you for bringing your reporting to us. that wraps it up for this hour. yasmin vossoughian will be back tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation" are next after the break.
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