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he was shot while lunging at officers with a knife after ramming his car into a capitol check point barricade and the two officers. the suspect was pronounced dead shortly thereafter. the motive is under investigation. this comes at a continued tough time from the capitol police force, less than three months since the insurrection. officer brian sicknick died at the hands of trump sympathizing domestic terrorists and sadly two other office ofs died by suicide in following weeks and now two more officers are suing the former president for inciting the insurrection attack, adding in court docks the former president is responsible because trump inflamed, encouraged, directed and aided and abetted the insurrection mob. there are more arrests as well including a california man who alleged aattacked a police officer with a stun gun while
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other attackers chanted, quote, kill him with his own gun. these are the types of people the former president continues to defend. senator rob portman continues to make the ridiculous claim these people love law enforcement and the country. people like garrett miller, an idiot from texas, who when arrested this week was wearing a shirt, i'm not making it up, reading, "i was there, washington, d.c., january 6, 2021" and "take america back." garrett miller is like others who documented it live on social media. he was a prolific poster on january 6th including responding to a comment on a selfie he posted showing himself inside the capitol, he allegedly replied, i wanted to increment myself a little, lol. garrett miller and the other insurrectionists and terrorists
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have consequences but there's nothing funny about participating in events that led to the deaths of multiple police officers. joining me now is retired lieutenant generous sell honore. he was tasked by nancy pelosi with leading a review of the security at the capitol following the january 6th attack. general honore, on one hand the colossal stupidity of some of the people who tried to get through the capitol is laughable except the results are nothing but laughable. they got into the united states congress. they nearly disrupted congress. they could have harmed members of congress. they did harm police, and then yesterday again we saw somebody target and attack police. what has to be done? you have studied this in great detail. what has to be done? >> well, we turned in a 78-page report with over 100 recommendations. some of the recommendations have been adopted and are being acted on. the others are awaiting
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supplemental funding. one, we need to tighten our intelligence analysis team inside capitol police working with interagency by expanding the number of trained analysts we have. the next was increasing the number of police officers. the capitol police are in dilemma right now because they're 233 officers short. that is exacerbated by last year covid pandemic where they were not able to have an academy class. so they didn't graduate anyone last year from the academy. that is going to have to be followed up with the incentive to get people to join the police force as well as to have an excessive recruiting effort. they know what they got to do. they need the funding from the congress in the area of the fundamentals -- the supplemental. they also need to add officers to be able to provide security to members while they travel in their home, those that are under direct threat. they need to add the recommended
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fencing, we recommended to put -- that can be engineered where it comes out of the ground. the corps of engineers has a tentative plan. the architect at the capitol knows what he needs to do, but all of those things need to be funded. right now the markup look like about a $2 billion bill, and that money need to be spent because it is there. it is time to modernize the capitol police. it is time to modernize the infrastructure around the capitol that protected members because they all want access to the public, but they also need protection from a variety of threats whether it is an individual lone wolf or it is a first amendment event that turns into a civil owe disobedience or in riot. capitol police have to be ready 24/7 and they need the resources to do it. >> you are talking about the supplemental bill to harden the
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capitol. the force you said is down by 233 people. you are recommending something like 850 more people. so where do you think this bill goes? $2 billion, you know, it is small in the grand scheme of other things and safety of the capitol, but this shouldn't really be partisan, right? this should be a bipartisan effort. >> by and large, most of the discussions we had with a few naysayers, we had full concurrence from the members on both the house and the senate, both democrat and republican. there are a few hold outs who question the amount of investment we recommended, but they don't have an option. the capitol is a target. many of them remember over the last decade when they were young coming to the capitol on school busses and going in and visit their congressional. the world has changed. the capitol is a target. it is a target because it is the center of power of our democracy. the capitol doesn't work, then democracy don't work and it is
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subject to attack. the only way we're going to protect it is modernize it with integrated technology of cameras and sensors and get our police officers where they're trained and have the equipment they need to get the job done, ali. >> let me ask you one final question. you, even with hurricane katrina, the joint task force, you walked into a situation where there was bad moralee. you are talking about being short 233 officers, wanting to hire more than 800 more. some of that is recruiting, some of it is just salary, some is just morale. how is morale in the force? they've lost four officers in the last three months to death. >> and over 100 injured. look, this police department, these people, the ones that are there are dedicated to protect the capitol. there are some other things in terms of the benefits and entitlement that need to be looked at. you know if you are in the d.c. police department you have a better retirement system than the capitol police. if you are in the park police,
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you have a better retirement system than the capitol police. if you are in the fbi or the secret service, you have a better retirement system. that has to be fixed. all of those things attribute to the situation that the capitol police are in today, and this attack on the 1/6 really was a big blow to their morale and their ability to continue to protect the capitol, but they've buckled up. they made the adjustments they need. they had the command and control working yesterday. they had on-the-scene commander. they collaborated with the metropolitan police. unfortunately, and i must say with all condolences to officer evans, to his family and to his friends and fellow officers, yesterday was a sad day. the buffers that stopped that car were put in after 9/11. the national guard is there.
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there are a lot of members that want to send the national guard home. after 9/11 we left 250 national guard at the capitol for over two years and nobody complained. the national guard is doing a great job. we got to make sure we are taking care of them, and we rotate them in on a schedule to be there in d.c. until we build up the d.c. national guard to the numbers they need where they can do this mission on their own in full-time status. so that has to be fixed, but this police force, they know what they got to do. we have to compensate them right and we have to take care of them. the congress need to own this police force. all these congress people go home on the weekend and they identify with their local police. they got to identify with the capitol police, ali. >> general, good to see you as always. thanks for the work that you continue to do in the service of your country. lieutenant generous el honore, former commander of the hurricane katrina task force and
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led the review in the wakes of the january 6th riots. turning due south to florida where the justice department is investigating whether congressman matt gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl and whether he gave her anything of value as sex trafficking. gaetz has denied the allegation, specifically denying he paid for sex or had a relationship with a 17 year old, calling that allegation against him totally false. he claimed the investigation is related to an alleged extortion part, though that appears to be part of an effort to divert attention from the sex investigation. "the new york times" reporting that the investigation is focused on gaetz and another politician who was indicted with multiple women allegedly recruited online for sex and received cash palts according to people close to the investigation and text messages and payment receipts from the men reviewed by "the new york times". this is all reportedly in addition to the sex trafficking
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allegations and the alleged illicit relationship with the 17 year old. citing text messages and interviews, "the new york times" also reports that during encounters in 2019 and 2020, gaetz and other individuals told the women times and places to meet, often at hotels around florida, and how much they were willing to pay. two people familiar with the encounters also tell "the times" that gaetz and others took the mind-altering drug ecstasy during the encounters. gaetz also allegedly asked for other women who might be interested in have relationships with him and others. gaetz was the only member of congress voting against a law giving more authority to fight human trafficking, something he bragged about on cable news. nbc news learned that gaetz's long-time communications director resigned yesterday, quote, out of principle. if you find the story hard to follow you're not alone. this is deeply complicated.
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joining me is somebody who can try to make sense of it because she reported a lot out. katie banner, reporter for "the new york times" covering the justice department. she was part of "the new york times" team that broke the story and follow up revealing the shocking new details into the gaetz' investigation. i'm relying on the fact we've been friends for many, many years because this is byzantine. it is a complicated web of stuff that matt gaetz was sort of trying to deflect about, but it looks like he is squarely in the sights of the fbi. i don't know whether that means that they're looking to charge him with something, but he seemed to imply this wasn't really about him. your reporting implies it is large about him. >> sure. the timeline can help us here. the investigation into gaetz began last summer. it began under barr, the former attorney general under the trump administration. the extortion plot gaetz has spoken about just began last month. what happens, it seems like people very close to his home,
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close to his home state, close to his home district, excuse me, found out about the investigation and they mentioned it in conjunction with a request for money to his father to fund a plan that they called operation homecoming which would bring back a hostage to the united states. now, that is very byzantine, it almost feels like a side matter. certainly people can find out about the investigations with the information they watch. the investigation itself has been going on for a long time turned up a lot of information that looks very, very difficult for congressman gaetz. it looks like he and his friend -- >> there's -- >> uh-huh, yes? >> go ahead. i was going to ask you about the friend who is facing 33 felony charges at the moment. >> yes. so we'll go to his friend first. joel greenberg is the former tax collector -- a former tax collector in florida. he, to your point, has already been indicted on many charges
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including sex trafficking of a minor. he has been indicted for trying to defraud the small business administration's emergency lending program around covid. the government continues to add charges to joel greenberg's indictment and you can sense they're trying to get him to give them information about matt gaetz. they want him to flip and they want him to talk more about congressman gaetz and his behavior. what we found in our reporting is that the congressman and joel greenberg had sex with women and the women were paid money, that they met them in hotels and florida, that they asked if they could recruit other women who could be involved in this. at least one woman, according to our reporting, had sex with a friend of both of them after being asked to by congressman gaetz. >> you know, this is an amazing story. thank you for your reporting on it. it is complicated and i would recommend to our viewers that you go back through katie's reporting on this in the last few days. there are a lot of details about this and at some point it is
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going to fall into place, but thank you, katie, for you and your team's reporting on this because it is going in a lot of different directions. katie banner is a justice reporting for "the new york times". i sat down with labor secretary marty walsh yesterday. we discussed the unionization effort at a warehouse in alabama. it is the biggest giant to the retail giant's labor practices and a movement that could give new light to worker's fights across the country. i will have more when "velshi" returns. e more when "velshi" returns. new colliders desserts. find them near the refrigerated pudding. [laugh] find them near the dad i got a job! i'm moving out. [laugh]
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♪ ♪ amazon has been one of the few beneficiaries of this pandemic, but the company is fighting what has become the largest unionization effort in the country as the national labor relations board reviews ballots from one warehouse in bessemer, alabama. the voting period closed two days ago on march 29th. last summer a predominantly black group of workers from this particular amazon warehouse in
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bessemer approached a local branch of the retail wholesale and department store union to organize the 6,000 warehouse workers after they determined amazon wasn't compensating them enough. during that time amazon phased out extra pay saying the $15 minimum wage policy was enough. when mail-in voting kicked off for the employees, amazon disputed the number of signatures and tried to require in-person voting despite the pandemic. the company hired another law firm it used to stop a unionization effort years ago. they've been trying to dissuade them by using union dues to convince them the cost is too great and the opposition hasn't subsided. last week twitters suspended accounts posing at workers posting anti-union messages and
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applauding the retail giant on treatment of workers. amazon has faced intense pressure over the years to respect workers' rights including protests against prime day. discontent was compounded by last year's protest that shed light. the effort in bessemer contrasts with the trajectory of union membership in america which has been falling for decades as you can see. again, the votes are still being tabulated so we have to wait to see whether almost 6,000 workers in alabama will open a new chapter in the history of labor rights in america. two capitol police officers are suing donald trump claiming he was responsible for inciting the capitol rye it on january 6th but this is the latest in a mounting of looming legal battles against the former president. we will lay it out next. "velshi" is on the next block. b. that means expensing nothing but pizza. your expenses look good,
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♪ ♪ donald trump forgot to knock on wood after claiming, quote, we're going to win so much you're going to get tired of winning because it is the same man currently looking for legitimate lawyers to defend him in at least 29 lawsuits. without his presidential immunity tv lawyers like rudy giuliani and sidney powell probably can't save him now, but both of whom probably couldn't defend him if they wanted to because both are accepting resumes in their own lawsuits brought by dominion ant smartmatic. there are new developments in donald trump's legal battles. "the daily beast" is reporting there are two grand juries issuing subpoenas demanding documents and recordings related to the investigation in georgia. that is the strongest because of the trophy of evidence against trump, and even as trump already
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faces civil lawsuits from congressional members eric swalwell and bennie thompson for his involvement in inciting the riot on capitol hill new lawsuits have been filed by two capitol police officers for physical and emotional injuries suffered from the riot. the suit accuses trump of, quote, directing assault and battery, aiding and abetting assault and battery, directing intentional inflick shon of emotional arrest. one associate is saying there's about a zero percent chance of criminal liability for the president based on what he said on january 6th and close to the same thing for any civil liability though perhaps they shouldn't write off the lawsuit yet. one brought by a 17-year capitol police officer. the other claims the officer was
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attacks relentliless. he was bleeding from a cut less than an inch from his eye, had cuts and abrasions on his face and hands and his body was pinned against a large metal door. joining me, co-hosts of the sisters in law, kimberly atkins and carol from "the washington post". carol is the author of "a very stable genius, donald trump's testing of america" and both are msnbc contributors. carol, a lot of lawsuits are facing donald trump. he has a shortage of lawyers at the moment. still golfing a lot. is this on his mind? is he worried about this and does he have a legal team to be able to deal with all of these lawsuits? >> my sources say that the president, former president is very annoyed by the amount of legal headaches and trouble that he may be in. he mostly views this, i would say, ali, as a series of gnats
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around his head. but some of the suits you mentioned are quite serious. covering courts in the past, i would say that the source who is an advocate of the president's who claims there's zero chance of him being held responsible may have a good argument on the criminal side. it is really hard to prove someone's intent when they're speaking at a rally. what was his intent about what those capitol rioters were doing or were going to do? but it is a little bit different in a civil lawsuit, and the suits that the officers have brought pose a serious challenge to the trump name and to trump's pocketbook because they make arguments that aren't that difficult to prove. >> yes. kimberly, you write about this as well in "the boston globe" yesterday. you said civil lawsuits like the ones filed by officers
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blassingame and cyd my hem by could not only provide a way to bring a sense of justice but also to allow the truth of the day to prevail over the lies that trump and his allies continue to spew. these suits can be a way of showing that no one, not even a former president, is above the law. this is an important point you make, kimberly, because as of now we don't have some adjudication about donald trump's behavior on january 6th and the days leading up to it. we have an election but not a legal adjudication of this. >> that's right. not only does the complaint layout in detail the injuries, the beatings these officers took, the racial slurs hurled at the officer. it opens the door for witnesses and documentary evidence that details and put's donald trump's
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actions in light of the insurrection on january 6 it, what he said, who he said it to, it is a way that evidence can be obtained to push back on the lies that donald trump continues to say there was zero threat, people like senator ron johnson saying that he didn't feel a threat by these folks. it was clearly a threat. it was clearly something that was directed by donald trump and these police officers who were laying it right there. carol is right. with these civil cases, the idea, this have to be proven by a preponderance of the evidence which is different than in criminal cases and they have to show donald trump is the proximate cause for what happened there. it is a lower standard than the intent standard that carol was talking about in criminal cases. so these could be really problematic. one last point, they're seeking punitive damages so the amount of money could be very high here. >> carol, you know, because he's not the president anymore, we don't have to react every time
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it happens but the president has taken to putting out very short statements on his letterhead that read more like tweets than actual statements about things. he has done it a few times. there's also talk he is getting ready to start a social media company. there's certainly talk of his involvement in upcoming elections. he has started endorsing people who are running, and of course that never ending discussion about whether or not he will be a candidate for president in 2024. what is your sense of what donald trump's actually planning and what he is doing right now? >> my understanding is that the president, the former president -- sorry, it is a habit. i have to get used to remembering that he's not the president right now. but the former president is very active in the republican party, sort of having people come to mar-a-lago to kiss the ring, having all sorts of congressmen who want his support in their next rate or that's presidential -- forgive me, their special election. he is sort of waving the wand of
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who he agrees he will support and not support. his social media company plans are not fully concrete yet as far as i can tell, but there's no question he wants to remain a powerful voice and not just some eminence grease in an armchair in palm beach waiting for people to come. he is enjoying, obviously, the power he still retains over the party and wants to be a force, but i think he will also want to hear his voice and he will want you to hear it, too. >> carol, as always, thanks for joining us. carol lenning is pulitzer prize winning reporter for "the washington post", coauthor of. we will be right back. f. we will be right back. hold on, we're coming!
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♪ ♪ welcome back to "velshi". i want to bring back "boston globe" columnist and could-host of sisters-in-law podcast kim girl atkins. she is a journalist and she is a lawyer. i want to use both of your skills here to listen to what the georgia governor brian kemp said this morning on fox news about the cancelling of the mlb all-star game in atlanta.
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i want to listen to this carefully because he makes reference to the reason for the cancellation. he actually addresses the big lie and let's talk about it on the other side. listen for those words. listen for the big lie. >> it is terrible for the fans, it is terrible for the small business owners in the metro atlanta community and our state that was looking forward to hosting this game, and it put a lot of resources into it. all because of a big lie. this is just the cancel culture, and i'm going to tell you the people at home should be scared because their ball game is next, their business will be next, their way of life will be next. it is time to stand up and fight this and just say, look, we are not going to take this anymore. it is ridiculous. >> governor -- >> kimberly, that's some wild code in there. the big lie is known to be the lie about fraud in the election. he called -- he is talking about a big lie being about voting rights. people at home should be scared,
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their way of life will be next. that is -- nobody even bothers to conceal the dog whistle anymore. >> no. no, it is not. it is a real call for folks who believe that these voting rights should be restricted, that these laws that target black and brown folks primarily, the very folks you saw come out in droves in 2020 and help joe biden win the state and help us send democrats to the senate. that's what they're talking about. of course, the big lie that donald trump told, it was republicans in georgia, some of them, who called that out and said it was not true, that there was no fraud. they are still using that as a basis to pass these laws. what the governor is really rallying against is the free market. it is the ability for companies to choose not to spend their money, not to hold their events in a state where policies are being passed that they don't agree with. the free market is something that used to be a republican idea, that they used to tout.
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now that it is being used against them, somehow it is turned into something else. it is cancel culture and they're trying to create a new narrative around it that is clearly untrue. >> yeah. when josh hawley's private enterprise business publisher decided not to publish his book, he screamed censorship. it was just a decision by a publisher to say, i don't want to publish josh hawley's book. when dr. seuss decided to take out a few books they yesterday cancel culture, but it was the sues estate saying, there's stuff we are pressured to take out and we're taking it out because the market told us to. do you think the stuff that happened in the last week, delta, coca-cola, other companies, lots of them, 72 black leaders, everybody coming out against this legislation, not just in georgia but anti-voter legislation generally, do you think it moves the needle. >> i think that it does. look, these companies are realizing that there is an embrace of fighting for people's
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rights in this country. they saw the change in the black lives matter movement. they saw the change in the call for fairness in voting, and they know that the people who -- that black and brown folks, their money is just as green as everyone else's, and they want to ensure they're on the right side of history and the right side of policy on this issue. again, there is a long history of this. martin luther king led boycotts during the civil rights era in the 1960s. we know that businesses are an important part of the fight for civil rights, and these companies are speaking with their own policies in pushing back against this. so this is about as american as it gets, ali. >> kimberly, great to see you. thank you for your time and your analysis. kimberly atkins is a columnist for "the boston globe" and the co-host of the "sisters in law" podcast. make sure to system around with msnbc. at the top of the hour "the cross connection" with tiffany cross, who joins me now.
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what do you have on tap this morning? >> good morning. first i have to say i love kim atkins so i love to close for her. coming up on "the cross connection" we have a lot to get to including the reaction to the heart wrenching derek chauvin trial. we will talk about the lil nas x video and my good friend sem el hill will talk with me about major league baseball's decision to pull out of atlanta due to voter suppression. we will talk about president biden and what he did to pave the way for potential a black woman to fill a supreme court vacancy. we have a jam-packed show and i'm excited about it. i love following you. you give me a great lead-in. thank you for making time for me in your show. >> well, my friend, it is always great to be here with you. i'm glad we're able to work together and you have always got a space here, friend. msnbc's tiffany cross. >> thank you. >> we will see you on tv very soon. catch "the cross connection" at
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♪ ♪ the country was gripped by the first week of testimony in the trial of derek chauvin. nearly 20 witnesses came before the jury to answer questions about what happened on that fateful day in may of 2020. here is just some of that powerful testimony. >> both floyd and i, our story, it is a classic story of how many people get addicted to opioids. we both suffered from chronic pain. mine was in my name and his was in his back. after prescriptions that were filled and we -- we got addicted
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and tried really hard to break that addiction many times. >> i saw derek with his knee on george's neck, on the ground. george was motionless, limp, and chauvin seemed very, he was in a resting state, meaning like he just rested his knee on his neck. >> i saw you standing there with your hands on your head for a while, correct? >> correct. >> what was going through your mind during that time period? >> disbelief and guilt. >> why guilt? >> if i would have just not taken the bill, this could have been avoided. >> what is your, you know, your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> what do you mean?
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>> well, first of all, pulling him down to the ground face down and putting your knee on a neck for that amount of time is just uncalled for. >> oh, my god. >> when you're ready. >> i know this is difficult. can you just explain sort of what you are feeling in this moment? >> i can -- i feel helpless. i don't have a mama either.
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i'm going to lose the script, and i'm going to reflect on the recurring feeling i have of impending doom. we have so much to look forward to, so much promise and potential of where we are, and so much reason for hope, but right now, i'm scared. i still continue to worry that with 80% of the population unvaccinated, that we have a lot of work to do to control this pandemic, which remains my concern. >> let's go over that one more time. the director of the cdc, dr.
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rochelle walensky, has a feeling of impending doom and the inability to control the pandemic. we're a year into this thing, and cases are flaring up all over the country. while we continue to reach new vaccination milestones, still only about 17% of americans are fully vaccinated. no matter the current progress and how optimistic we are, the next wave is upon us. we've seen nationwide increases in the most recent seven days. roughly 62,000 cases per day. nearly 5,000 hospitalizations due to covid a day. deaths are up about 10%, reaching about 900 daily. take a look at this map. it lays out the dire situation. the 11 states in orange have case increases between 10% and 25%. another 15 states in red have upticks of 25% or more. then there's michigan in dark red. it is a spike of 127% in cases.
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at the rate we're going, the path to reaching nationwide herd immunity is looking like a much longer journey. joining me is dr. redlenner, the founder of disaster preparedness at colombia university. the director of resource and response initiative. and an msnbc public health analyst. we've been discussing this matter of the pandemic since last january. irvin, what's going wrong right now? >> well, we're in a very interesting point at the moment, both scary, as dr. walensky was saying, looking at the surges, but in some ways, optimism coming from the fact that the vaccination program is working very rapidly and we're moving fast. however, i believe she's totally correct in saying that we have a really long way to go, and we won't reach herd immunity, by the way, ali, unless we start vaccinating children, which represent between 23% and 25% of the general population. that program of vaccinating kids hasn't even begun yet.
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there's trials, and i think i'm optimistic that we can get that going by the summer. but we have a lot of work to do. plus, waiting in the wings, ali, are these variants, these mutations that are unpredictable. it looks like the vaccines that we have available now will control and tamp down those variants, but we don't know. we don't know what's coming. then we have lots of recklessness by state governments and individuals that put a damper on how quickly we can expect to reach the immunity dr. walensky was talking about. >> you tweeted the other day this is a race between covid vaccines and covid variants. that's mathematics, really. we're seeing people vaccinated at a higher rate. as you mentioned, we might be getting -- we're starting to get good results on the clinical trials for kids 12 to 15, according to a new study for pfizer. we are now testing children as young as two months.
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if we get that and we get these vaccines out there, we can tamp down these variants. but you talk about recklessness, you're a public health expert. >> yeah. >> how is this happening? the president only has so much authority. i would have thought with the bully pulpit and the president saying the right things and the cdc being on the same side as dr. fauci and all of them, that we would be having states following that lead. that's not happening. >> no. one would think it would be happening. biden has assembled a really fantastic team, ali, to put all this together. the messaging is very, very difficult because the messaging seems not to be stopping some unauthorized, as i say, fraternity parties, including at duke a few weeks ago that caused 180 positive tests among kids. then the wild abandon of all these kids going to beaches in florida for spring break. it's all part of a pattern.
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the worst thing yet is the situation with governors like abbott of texas, who decided to really reopen everything in spite of dire warnings from the federal government, that that is a really bad idea. by the way, including he just announced that major league baseball, i guess, allowed him to open a texas rangers games and stadiums at full capacity. just extraordinary recklessness that somebody has to be accountable for. i'm really worried about a super hot spot and superspreader event by some of these activities that are being promoted now. yeah, we're in a dangerous turning point here, ali. i hope we can listen to the messages that are clear, scientifically based, and coming from appropriate sources at the white house and the relevant agencies, ali. >> irvin, i have 30 seconds. what do you think is going on in michigan? that spike is outsized. >> yeah, it's probably some variant that we are not aware
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of. there may be many, many people violating the principles of keeping your masks on, keeping the distancing, and all those public health recommendations. new york, by the way, is also spiking. there's still mysteries about why that's happening. that's going to have to be tracked. it is being tracked, and we'll see where that goes, ali. >> irwin, good to see you. the founder of the disaster preparedness at colombia university. msnbc public health analyst. that does it for me. catch me back here tomorrow morning, 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. on "velshi." don't go anywhere. "the cross connection with tiffany cross" begins right now. >> good morning. i'm tiffany cross. we have a lot to cover on the "crosses can connection,"
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