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eights new hour. we will start with breaking news out of washington. flags at half-staff at the capitol and the white house as police investigate yet another deadly capitol hill attack. >> officer william evans was killed and another officer injured after a 25-year-old rammed his car into a checkpoint. you see officer evans there. as capitol police deal with the fallout from the insurrection only three months ago. >> they are under extraordinary stress. it's really sad to see what's happening to the capitol and my heart goes out to them and my appreciation. plus, an emotional first week of testimony in the derek chauvin trial. minneapolis officers taking a stand, revealing potentially damning information. >> what did you ask them to do? >> i asked them to chill out. calls growing in the meantime for republican congressman matt gaetz to resign. new explosive details about the
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doj investigation now reportedly focusing on cash payments to women and an alleged relationship with a minor. he is denying those allegations. former president trump calling for people to boycott the mlb and other, quote, woke companies after the league pulled its all-star game out of atlanta over the state's new voting restrictions. >> good morning, everyone. it is saturday, april 3rd. i am kendis gibson. >> i'm lindsey reiser. happy to have you with us on this saturday. we have a team of reporters and analysts following the latest right now. we are going to start in washington where those flags are at half-staff. authorities investigating that deadly attack that happened hours ago at the u.s. capitol yet. vaughn hilliard, good morning. what more do we know about not only the officer who passed away, but the officer who is wounded? >> reporter: yeah, good morning. we are finding out more this morning. you can see behind me the scene here is cleared up. the gate, that fencing that was
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opened yesterday where the two officers were struck, that fencing is here closed as of this morning. the metropolitan capital police department as well as the fbi are continuing their investigation in which they say noah green, the suspect involved here, drove his car through that first layer of fencing that i peered to be open before striking the barrier. at that point he jumped out of his vehicle with a knife in hand. what exactly happened after that is still unclear. noah green, the suspect involved, per his facebook postings, described to the teachings of nation of islam. this is a group. southern poverty law center deemed a hate group and muslims generally reject, vehemently reject the teachings of the nation of israel. we should note that it appears that he lived in indiana but spent a portion of his life in virginia. but when we are talking about billy evans, the capitol police
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officer who died yesterday, we are talking about a man who was an 18-year veteran of the capitol police force. he leaves behind two children. you can see the flags behind us now flown at half-staff here at the capitol building where he stood guard for 18 years. this is a tough time around this capitol complex. we should note that i was having a conversation with lieutenant russell last night. this is the man, who was tapped by speaker pelosi to oversee changes to security infrastructure following january 6th, and he told me last night, while these capitol police force wait for additional funding, there is a funding bill that is making its way through congress, he urged these capitol police force to stay strong. he sent his best here to the family, saying that yesterday billy evans and his other officer in stable condition now, they did their job.
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lindsey and kendis. >> vaughn hilliard tracking the latest this morning. thank you. let's pick up on where vaughn was dropping down right there with lieutenant-general russell hon ray. thank you for being here. you led the review into the security failures in the january 6th insurrection and you see this incident play out on your tv just yesterday. what failures do you think took place yesterday? >> well, let me start off, we have given the 70-page report with over 100 recommendation. from what i could see yesterday, i think i'd like to start off by saying, given condolence to officer evans, his family and his fellow officers, having sacrificed his life protecting the capitol. i think there will be a detailed
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review of what we need to adjust in the future. it's just the work. the officers out there to identify and call forward after the car, wanted to let them through. he hit them as a response and the barrier stopped. the barrier was put in after 9/11 to prevent such an incident from happening as well as other black posts you see around the capitol. so i think at this time the focus, we need to make sure the police have the access they need to take care of one another and to reinforce the fact that the capitol is a target. there were many members, we briefed them on our report, thought the security could be
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relaxed because they were not seeing threats in what we call a skiff, a seek and run in the capitol, where they go and get intelligence and many people in the bureaucracy argued with me that the security at the capitol needed to be based on threat-based information. the threat is 24/7 against the capitol. and that's what congress needs to adjust their minds to, that it can happen me day, anytime, 147. and my complements to the capitol police for the work they did yesterday in stopping this individual from causing more harm to anybody in that capitol and the sacrifice they made. >> we echo your condolences, lieutenant-general. in your report you wrote, in response to the january 6th insurrection, that the capitol police board's deliberate decision-making process was slow and cumbersome to respond to the crisis in january. knowing the timeline that we
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know yesterday, how quickly we did see national guard troops march up, helicopters swoop in, maybe they don't have that quick response team in place yet, but are you satisfied yesterday with the length of time between incident and response? >> absolutely. they apparently used the incident command system, which they were trained to use. they did that a lot better yesterday. the interagency coordination with the capitol, with the parks service and their assets, the information going to the d.c. police, d.c. collaborative, this is the way it's supposed to work. and that's the way the machine is supposed to work. it worked. they used all the tools. unfortunately, we lost on officer. but you can see that this police force is serious about protecting the capitol. many lessons were learned on 1/6, and i think they are
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committed to make sure that does not happen again. my hat's off to them. my complements to them. >> yes, they are committed to preventing this from happening again. but we are now april 3rd, just barely into the fourth month of this year, and we have now had several attacks that have resulted in the deaths of capitol police officers. is the u.s. capitol safe, in your opinion, for people to go to work? >> i think it is. that being said, we are 233 officers short. they have the budget to hire those officers. like most police departments around the country, a challenge to be able to recruit that many officers in a year. that's compounded by last year, the covid epidemic prevented them from having a class that would normally graduate 150 officers. that being said, they have a plan to advance their recruiting
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to provide incentives. it has to be funded. and to make the metropolitan police and the capitol police and the department police all equally on retirement pay. all that has to be negotiated through and funded by congress in this supplemental. so those things need to happen, and, in the meantime, we had the national guard, who is there after 9/11. the national guard went to the capitol with 250 troops and stayed for two years. god bless our national guard. since 1840, they have protected that capitol. we don't take that mission, they don't take that mission lightly. because of the collaboration between the capitol and the pentagon and the national guard that continues to happen, and, as always, the guard is there to
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back up -- >> i hear what you're saying. we're happy for the work that they are doing. but, clearly, something more needs to be done to make sure that those lawmakers and our capitol police officers and everybody there on the capitol grounds are more safe than they are right now. we have yet again the flag flying at half-staff. it seems as if it has flown at half-staff more this year than fully upright. >> you're right, sir. i mean, the capitol police have to be resourced. we also have to deal with the systemic issues, how did that car end up at the capitol? >> understood. indeed. lieutenant-general, we will have to leave it there. there is a lot that has to be looked into as a result of this. lieutenant-general russell honore, thank you so much. let's turn to minneapolis following a week of kmelg and potentially devastating testimony at derek chauvin's murder trial, including one from
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the police department's most senior officer who called chauvin's actions on the day of floyd's death totally unnecessary. msnbc's meghan fitzgerald is in minneapolis following the trial. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. the trial kicked off friday morning with jurors hearing testimony from a minneapolis police department sergeant who set the scene of the criminal investigation after officers realized that george floyd had passed away. he talked about how officers secured the scene and preserved evidence and then went on to try to track down witnesses. but the most powerful testimony of the day came from lieutenant richard zimmerman of the minneapolis police department. he is the most senior officer at the department. he testified that that video showing derek chauvin on george floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds was uncalled for. i want you to listen to this exchange between zimmerman and the prosecution. >> what is your, you know, your
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view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> reporter: the defense tried to make the argument that a police officer needs do anything that they have to to to try to protect themselves from danger. next week on monday morning we are expecting to hear from several more witnesses that the prosecution will call, including the police chief of the minneapolis police department. kendis and lindsey. >> that is one of the key witnesses there, indeed, a lot of people are looking forward to when the police chief takes the stand. msnbc's meghan fitzgerald in minneapolis. an alleged relationship with a minor, new photos, drugs, explosive new claims against this republican congressman this morning. >> why some of matt gaetz' fellow lawmakers are saying they are not surprised. plus, where the doj is with their investigation. ion.
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gaetz now mired in a scandal facing growing calls to resign, but he says he has no plans to do so. >> reports keep surfacing related to the justice department investigating whether he had a sexual relationship with a minor and paid for her to travel with him. "the new york times" citing text messages, interviews and literal receipts in their reports that gaetz allegedly took the mood altering drug ecstasy with women he allegedly paid for sex. also reporting that gaetz asked women to help recruit others who might be interested in having sex with his friends. >> cpr is reporting that gaetz showed nude photos of women to lawmakers on the house floor. gaetz denied all allegations and has not been charged in and the investigation is ongoing. >> amanda golden is on capitol hill with reaction. what is the response from lawmakers? >> reporter: it's a bit of a mixed bag. i have to note, peculiarly quiet
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on the republican side. we heard from a few lawmakers who are defending congressman methods at this time. the investigations are on going. gaetz is vehemently denying the allegations, specifically he paid for sex through cash app services to have relationships with younger woman much. he is issuing a strong statement matt gaetz refutes all the disgusting allegations completely, has never, ever been on any such websites whatsoever, matt gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life. this comes that there is very little republican reaction. the few staunch defenders are coming from the likes of jim jordan, who faced his on sexual misconduct allegations as well as marjorie taylor greene. we caught up with house minority leader kevin mccarthy earlier this week to get his reaction to the ongoing investigation.
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>> doj has not told me anything. if a member of my conference gets indicted they will get removed from a committee. he says this is not true and we have a newspaper report that says something else. we'll find out. i didn't know about it. yes, i am surprised about it and i want to get to the bottom of it. i haven't been able to speak to mr. gaetz, but i will. >> reporter: his comments coming as house speaker nancy pelosi says that if the claims against congressman gaetz are true he should be she removed from the judiciary committee. the other compounding element is in the last couple of days gaetz's communications director, luke ball, resigned. and he resigned out of principal, according to reporting. >> thank you. let's continue with this. i want to bring in congresswoman lois frankel and joyce vance professor at the alabama school of law, an msnbc contributor.
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good morning. i want to begin with you, congresswoman. we have been reporting on the growing calls for representative gaetz to resign. some republicans saying in private that his days are numbered. what do you think would best serve the people of your state of florida? do you think a potential committee removal would be enough here? >> well, first of all, thank you. good to be with all of you this morning. let me start by saying mr. gaetz is part of the florida delegation. i don't know him. i don't hang out with him. i have no inside information. and i do often disagree with his politics. with that said, you know, what the allegations, they sound bad. it's bad for him, for his family, and for the institution. but i do believe in due process. we need to get to the truth. there is an investigation going on. the allegations are true, if they are, he should resign and spare everybody having to live
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through another scandal. but at this point, let's let law enforcement do what they need to do. >> okay. congresswoman, you said that you don't socialize with representative gaetz e gaetz, but you and your colleagues talk behind closed doors. there are reports that were flashing lights here before this doj -- news of the doj probe came out. one saying he is a ticking time bomb. what are you hearing behind closed doors? >> well, believe it or not, my friends and i, we don't talk about matt gaetz behind closed doors. we are on recess now, doing district work, so we haven't been in the capitol to hear the gossip. again, this is not a good -- this is not a good look for him or for the institution. as i said, if he doesn't resign, he gets indicted, this matter should go immediately to the
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ethics committee and then you let law enforcement play it out. >> joyce, we keep hearing leaks of more information every day. right now what stands out to you as the most damaging from a legal perspective? >> it's an interesting sort of a situation, lindsey, because typically when i prosecuted sex trafficking cases, i was working with state and local counterparts. we were engaging in an investigation without prejudging whether we had federal or state charges, and then after all of the information became known, we went on to the charging phase. so reporting early this morning that witnesses against gaetz have now testified in a federal grand jury, if that proves to be true, that certainly indicates that investigators have reached a decision that some of his conduct involves federal charges, and that makes sense in light of allegations that he had sex and paid for travel and related expenses for a woman who was underage.
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that would be a core federal charge and it would carry a pretty hefty mandatory minimum sentence with it. >> and usually what is the timeline between a grand jury hearing, for example, in which witnesses are testifying and potentially when indictments become public or the suspect becomes under arrest? >> there really is no set timeline. some cases remain in the grand jury investigative phase for years. with others, you only go to grand jury when you are ready to present the evidence and obtain an indictment. so i think it's impossible to predict. >> joyce, your takeaway from the first week of the chauvin trial? right now prosecution, obviously, went first, defense had their chance to cross-examine, but did you think that the prosecution had a strong week? >> so we're in the heart of the prosecution's case. if this had not been a good week for the prosecution, we would know they were in serious
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trouble. but the evidence came in extremely well for the prosecution this week. not only was it emotionally moving, they were hitting the elements that they need to hit so that they can argue to a closing, to the jury in closing argument for a conviction. i think where we're headed in pretty short order is this important issue of causation of death and a battle of the experts. we will hear from medical examiners and others who will testify both for the prosecution theory that chauvin was the cause of george floyd's death, but also the defense will present alternative theories. and remember they don't have to prove that chauvin didn't cause george floyd's death. all they have to do is poke holes at the prosecution and then argue in closing to the jury that there is reasonable doubt and they should not convict. that's what the next couple of weeks will look like in this trial. >> all right. joyce vance and representative lois frankel, thank you both so much. boycotting baseball.
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mlb throwing a incumbent, pulling its all-star came out of atlanta in response to the state's voting bill. now former president trump is trying to strike them out. coming up later on this morning, two of my favorite people, jemele hill and tiffany to talk about the decision it move the game, the cross connection starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. on start 10:00 a.m. eastern time. are you managing your diabetes... ...using fingersticks? with the new freestyle libre 2 system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can check your glucose with a painless, one-second scan. and now with optional alarms, you can choose to be notified if you go too high or too low. and for those who qualify, the freestyle libre 2 system is now covered by medicare. ask your doctor for a prescription. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestyle libre 2 dot u.s. ♪♪ people everywhere living with type 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible with rybelsus®. ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ ♪ my only sunshine... ♪
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♪♪ back now with two breaking news stories that we are following. authorities are investigating two shootings in two different cities overnight. first up, to eastern north carolina where police tell us the nbc affiliate wecd a shooting took place at a house party in wilmington, north carolina. three people have died and at least seven in total were shot. police say there is no continued threat to the public as they work to identify the suspect. a shooting there in wilmington, north carolina, at a house party. meantime, it in youngston, ohio,
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a shooting in a crowded lbgtq nick chubb. police don't have a suspect or motive for the shooting and so far police haven't been saying much about this incident that took place about 1:15 local time in youngstown at an lbgtq nick chubb nightclub there. prine kemp will hold a press conference in response to major league baseball pulling its all-star game out of atlanta. due to the state's new voting law. donald trump also weighing in. the former president calling for a boycott of mlb saying they are feeding into, quote, cancel culture and liberal lies. meantime, big companies like american airlines, dell, delta and coca-cola have all come out against the law and they now face republican backlash for opposing both the law in georgia and a similar one in texas.
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msnbc reporter with the latest. >> reporter: good morning. that's right. a lot of back and forth going on in georgia this week with the reaction to this very restrictive and repressive voting bill that was passed by republicans in the state, signed by republican governor brian kemp, like you mentioned. he will be holding that press conference at around noon today in reaction to mlb announcing that the all-star game that is set to take place, was set to take place in atlanta in july, now moving out of the state. they have not yet announced where the new all-star game will take place in which part of the country, but now it means that atlanta and the georgia area will take a financial hit. that's some of the repercussions we are seeing from this bill being signed. like you said, a lot of these companies in the atlanta area, delta, coca-cola speaking out against the law after it was already signed. what we are seeing is a lot of
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backlash from republicans, like you said. governor brian kemp there, former president donald trump. we also heard from florida senator mark erubio talking out. a lot of the common lines is the term cancel culture, is what these republican lawmakers are kind of referring to when they are talk about this action from mlb. if you want to get a little bit of a preview, i think, of what we might hear from georgia governor brian kemp a little bit later today, he was on fox news yesterday speaking about this motion from mlb. take a listen to what he said yesterday. >> unfortunate today. obviously, that major league baseball has folded up and caved to the cancel culture and a bunch of liberal lies, quite honestly. what is more sad, the president of the united states, joe biden, people like stacey abrams labeling the election integrity act jim crow. this is what happens. this is message across this country, they are coming after you next.
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>> reporter: you hear there governor kemp attacking leaders in the state like stacey abrams. you have heard they are attacking joe biden as well, who had supported the idea of moving the all-star game out of atlanta. and so there is this back and portimao going on, lindsey, and in the background, those financial impacts could be really severe for this state. of course, it comes at a time when the economy is already reeling from the coronavirus and the impacts of that. so, as we look ahead, we will have to keep tabs on other companies speaking out and some of those further financial up packets that could happen. >> thank you. coming up, the mounting legal pressure on former president trump. new york's attorney general is sniffing around financial records. some capitol hill officers are suing trump. we will take it up with our legal panel. legal panel. ♪ (car audio) you have reached your destination.
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time for today's talker. let's start with the march madness update. the arizona wildcats stunned the uconn huskies. they won 69-59. ari mcdonald led 26 points sending the team to the first ever national championship game. and in a nail-biter-ending, stanford defeated south carolina. a go ahead jumper with 32 seconds fon the clock. they gave the cardinals the one-point win.
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arizona and stanford will face off sunday in the championship game. in the men's final forefour matchup, houston takes on baylor and gonzaga faces ucla today. >> that's how we had the final four. the next season of real housewife salt lake city is going to be lit. a star is out on $1 million bond this morning pleading not guilty to charges of conspiracy to whitt wire fraud and money-laundering. accused of running a nationwide telemarketing fraud scheme aimed at elderly and computer illiterate people. rally cat. a furry fan ran on to the field in the rockies/dodgers game. looking winded after making it so center field. it took a ground crew to finally come to the cat's rescue there. after quarantine, that's me after literally jogging three
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steps. >> that's all of us after keane. >> unfortunately, no help for the rockies. they lost. >> too bad. the investigation that former president trump and his organization heating up right now. new york attorney general has reportedly launched a probe into the financial records of the trump organization and the cfo allen weisselberg. he has not been accused of any wrongdoing, but prosecutors have subpoenaed his personal bank records in a possible attempt to gain his cooperation with all of this. joining us to take this up is georgetown law school professor, msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. great to see you. it seems like a lot of legal pressure is increasing on trump and his former aides. how worried would you say he should be? >> in february, the prosecutors finally got trump's tax returns after he fought so hard to shield them going all the way to the supreme court and losing. and since they got those
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returns, the d.a.'s investigation seems to have heated up. it looks like they are looking at tax fraud, bank fraud, insurance frud. the issue is did donald trump and/or his company lie about how much their property was worth in order to get loan and tax benefits. and so prosecutors are following the money and that's where mr. weisselberg comes in. he is the chief financial officer for the trump organization. he worked for the trump family for years. and so he knows where the bodies are buried. >> yeah. and weisselberg's, even his former daughter-in-law, sayss that prosecutors have asked about gifts that their family has received, including, i should point out, the luxury apartment, cars, private school tuition. do you get a sense that all of these questions and the people that they are now interviewing are a direct result of those tax records that they just got a month ago?
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>> absolutely, kendis. i think that when they got those tax returns, they were able to compare them to other evidence that they'd already received, including accounting data from trump's businesses. and so that's why they are asking weisselberg all of these nosy questions. i think the goal is to see if this 73-year-old man, who has worked for the family for decades, has got goods on donald trump and/or his businesses that will make him want to cooperate with the prosecutors so that he doesn't have a case brought against him. >> i know the tax returns themselves, thousands of pages and a lot of studying needs to be done yet, probably. how long will this, all of this take before it comes to a head here? >> you know, there is no way of knowing because the d.a.'s office isn't talking.
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weisselberg's folks aren't talking and the trump organization isn't talking. these are difficult cases for prosecutors. sometimes it's legal to value a property differently depending on the situation. so just because the numbers are different for tax purposes as opposed to insurance purposes, it doesn't necessarily mean a crime has been committed. and the other thing, kendis, is that the trump organization probably had these transactions blessed by law firms or accountants. so it would just blame them. >> yeah, and while i have you, i want to turn to the january 6th attack and the new lawsuit that was filed by two capitol police officers. they are suing trump saying that they suffered physical and emotional damages after trump incited the riot, according to them. both officers said that they were injured in the attack and they are seeking at least $75,000 in damages. do you think this has a chance? >> we'll have to see.
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we will see what the plaintiffs do. they will be able to get discovery, information from trump that didn't even come out in the impeachment inquiry about what he was doing, what he was thinking during this. you know, the allegations are serious. these are capitol police officers who say that they have still lingering damage. one officer was called the n-word numerous times. his head was slammed against the pavement. the other officer was literally crushed against the door. so they say that there is an ongoing impact, depression and trauma. if this case makes it to a jury, i think they would have a decent chance. the issue is whether a judge will throw it out before it gets to that point. >> indeed. paul butler, appreciate seeing you. thank you. a $2 trillion infrastructure plan, a hot jobs report, and possibly canceling student debt. president biden's had a busy week. we will dive into the impact next. nto the impact next
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president biden as he looks to fulfill some of his biggest campaign promises. he unveiled a massive $2 trillion infrastructure plan, celebrated friday's jobs report, which saw unemployment fall to 6%, and the white house also announced they are exploring whether the president with legally cancel student debt. >> msnbc white house correspondent monica alba is joining us now with the latest. i know the president is at camp david over the weekend, but clearly he had a very busy week behind him and what's ahead for next week? >> reporter: that's right, kendis. a quiet easter weekend spent with family with no public events. next week he is going to pivot to really start to try to drill down on some of these tenets in his infrastructure plan and proposal. he said he is going to invite republicans for face-to-face negotiations in the oval office and he'll likely be meeting with lawmakers of both parties to try to hammer out the details to see
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where common ground can be found frm he said yesterday that inaction is not an option on this front, but that he is open to a lot of changes, and in the same event he really warned americans that so far, even though we see some incremental progress in terms of the pandemic, vaccinations on track, for more than 90% of adults to be eligible to get those shots in the next couple of weeks, all of that can really be just as easily reversed if people let their guard down too quickly. take a listen. >> the progress we have worked so hard to achieve can be reversed. on the economic front, the benefits and the impact american rescue plan are temporary by design. it was -- it is a rescue plan. but as we get the economy back on its feet, we need to do the hard work of building back better for good -- not just for a while, but for good.
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>> reporter: you mentioned student debt. the president has asked his education secretary to take a look at whether it's possible for the president to take unilateral action in canceling up to $50,000 in student joe b said he was in support of doing that for $10,000. he's not sure he has the executive order potential to do that. that's why he's asked the justice department to also work with the education department in seeing whether that's feasible. they hope to have an answer in the next two, three weeks. >> just funny to think about, $10,000 of some student loan, a drop in the bucket there. thanks to you. george washington university, $65,000 a year. >> times four. >> that's why i was happy i didn't get in. >> it all works out. >> yes, it does. not bitter about it 90 years later. vaccinating the youth, we break down the promising news from pfizer with a doctor who
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parents. the new vaccine data this morning could bring that one step closer to ending. pfizer announcing their vaccine is 100% effective in preventing covid-19 in kids ages 12 to 19. >> 100%. a hospital in ohio played an essential part of the research. now the team is studying the effects of the pfizer vaccine on kids younger, ages 5 to 11. leading that team is dr. robert frank of the vaccine research center at the cincinnati children's hospital. doctor, good morning. we have seen footage of some of these pharmaceutical companies around a table wearing masks and they're hearing about the efficacy and they jump up when it exceeds their expectation. is that what happened in your office? >> absolutely. we really weren't hoping to see efficacy in the teenagers because the study was designed for just seeing the immune response. that was tremendous news that we
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could see it was that efficacious. >> can you tell us what this means for schools returning in the fall? >> i think what it means is that pfizer will ask for their eua to be for those 12 years of age and above. at cincinnati we started studies for kids under 12 years of age. that's gone well so far. we've enrolled our first five. we'll start more this week. i think it means in the next six months or so we'll have vaccines for younger kids. >> so i want to talk with you about that. your hospital has thousands of volunteers for this research. you mentioned younger kids. is it the possibility of studying kids ages 2 to 4 in the next phase? if so, how will that work? >> actually, what we'll do is a deescalation. so start from 5 up to 12. then if everything looks okay, then go to 2 to 5 years of age
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and then six months to 2 years of age. our number one thing is safety always. that's why we're going slowly. doing a few kids to make sure the side effects look okay and then move down in age. >> i'm curious, how did you get these volunteers? it's hard to get kids to do much of anything. >> how many lollipops did you have to invest in? >> for the teenagers, they told their parents they wanted to volunteer. i talked to a lot of teens, they said it's important that we do this. if we don't, who does. it's important we show our friends this is so good to do. for the younger kids, it's going to be the parents making the decisions. >> doctor, i want to talk to you about that and what you say to parents watching your interview and maybe they live in the area. but this is your life's work. you are passionate about this. how safe are these trials and what is your message to parents? >> i think the number one thing is all the trials are based on
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safety. if they aren't safe we stop. what we've seen down into the 12-year-olds is that the side effects really have mirrored what we've seen in the younger adults and older adults, so it's been quite safe. and that they tolerated it well. so that i would tell parents that number one thing we look at is safety. we do not rush things. we do things systemically, methodically before moving to the next steps. >> doctor, are kids less wimpy about taking a shot than the adults? you should have heard the screams when i got my moderna. >> well, one reason i like taking care of kids because they're fun but they do understand -- i had 3-year-olds in the clinic saying, mom, where is my mask. i need my mask on before i leave. if we could get the children to teach the adults, i think we would be further ahead. >> wow, doctor. well said. doctor, it's been a pleasure to
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talk to you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. thank you for watching msnbc reports. >> yeah. we have a new name. >> new look. >> same time. >> we'll see you tomorrow. "velshi" starts now. today on "velshi," voter suppression will cost the state of georgia. atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms is here to talk about major league decision's to pull the all-star game out of her decision over the new anti-voter laws passed by georgia republicans. another attack at the capitol. retired general russel honore is here to talk about what happened and what needs to happen to keep the capitol safe. he warned fans they would get so tired of winning with the heat turning up under literally dozens of lawsuits and investigations, maybe the former president himself is just tired of winning. and as jobs numbers blow past expectations and president biden rolls out a$2 trillion
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infrastructure bill, the secretary of labor, marty walsh, here to talk recovery. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it is saturday, april 3rd. i'm ali velshi. a blockbuster move by major league baseball during its opening week in protest of a new georgia law aimed at making it hard for some citizens to vote. a law critics argue is racist, aimed squarely at minority voters and designed to make sure democrats can't win stateside contests again. in response the mlb announced it's moving the 2021 all-star game and 2021 draft out of atlanta to a still yet to be determined location. the announcement comes two days after president biden weighed in on the draconian new law and suggested he would support a boycott over it. >> it's just not right. this is jim crow on steroids

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