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tonight, david henderson. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> that is "all in" on this friday night. chris hayes will be back on monday. i will be back on msnbc live this sunday 8:00 p.m., with my own show, my guest will be bernie sanders. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> i hope you have a provision where you get base pay and over a certain number of hours, you get paid by the hour. >> just sleep. >> you have done the work -- >> i just need to sleep. all i need is sleep. >> i give you my sleep coupons for the weekend, my friend. fantastic job. i cannot wait to see your show this weekend. >> thank you. all right, so seems we are having technical difficulties, we will get back to rachel when we can solve that issue.
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very good evening to you and thank you, again, rachel maddow will be with us soon. we are happy you are here with us tonight. we have a lot to cover tonight, reporter katie benner who along with her colleagues at the new york times broke the bizarre matt getz story and will shall share it live. we will have a live report from minneapolis as what was described as a day of devastating testimony in the derek chauvin case. the former minneapolis police officer who is on trial for killing george floyd. there's a lot to get to tonight and it's where we are going to start tonight is with the latest from nbc news, justice correspondent pete williams. who has been reporting today had that the burst of violence at the north entrance to the u.s. capitol grounds today. that left one u.s. capitol police officer killed. and another hospitalized with injuries and a suspect dead involved in all of that.
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ramming a car in to those officers and in to a metal bare -- a metal barricade and then lept on out of that with a knife. one capitol police officer was announced that the officer was killed. and this man, william evans known to his friends as billie, officer evans was an 18-year veteran of the capitol police force, we know he arrived on their elite first responders unit. that was the same unit that officer brian sicknick served who died on the january 6th capitol attack. we have the latest on the investigation and what is known about the suspect. pete, thanks for making time tonight for you. what are the basic facts that we know of right now in terms of how the story as evolved? >> the law enforcement officials say tonight that the suspect was
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noah green, 25 years old, had been living for a time in the norfolk, virginia area where he went to school and had recently moved to indiana. capitol police say he was not known to them. that he was not in their files for making any threats against congress or members of congress in the past. his facebook page said he was a follower of lewis farakhan and the nation of islam and court records show he petitioned to change his name but didn't show up for a court hearing in indiana so the matter was dropped. a biography on the website where he went to college said he was born in west virginia and he said that he recently lost his job. he wrote this. quote, these past few years have been tough, and these past few months have been tougher. and then he said, i have been tried with some of the biggest unimaginable tests in my life. so, tonight investigators are
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going through his social media, talking to his friends and family members. working to trace his movements in the hours and days that led up to the attack. and they are looking in to, i say, a growing number of clues that he was struggling with mental health issues. his social media posts suggest a growing paranoia, but police say tonight so far, richard, there's no sign that this was an act of terrorism. >> pete, do we know if both officers were struck by the suspect's car that we were watching all afternoon? >> no. that's a very good again. the authorities have not been definitive about what caused the officers' injuries including the officer who died. we don't know if it was are from being struck by the car. it didn't sound from the news conference from the police chief this afternoon that noah green was actually able to stab either of the officers with the knife that he brandished. we are not sure about that. we don't know with all the
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gunfire whether he was struck by a round. we just don't know what the cause of death was yet. we are told the other officer is in stable condition. you know, richard, i think one thing -- and i have heard it from several people in law enforcement today. it was for many years if people had sort of grievances and ill-formed thought of washington the place had that was the magnet for the attacks was the white house. there was all the reports of people trying to climb the white house fence and now there's a growing concern that the magnet is the u.s. capitol. >> the discussion and the way authorities were talking about whether or not terrorism was related to this or not, do you know how they got to that outcome or belief so early in the process? >> i think that was just, they didn't find any obvious immediate signs of it. they got on to who he was pretty fast. they were able to trace the car registration. had they had other ways of getting his identity and nothing turned up quickly what did turn up quickly is the facebook
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postings which suggest somebody who was struggling with mental health issues. know obvious connection to terrorism. they will be looking at his travel and further looking in to his social media, so, that was the initial take, and you he know, that is subject to change as they get further in the investigation. they were speaking within, you know, two, two and a half hours after the attack. >> pete, what does that mean long-term for security there at the capitol? have you heard anything from authorities and your sources? >> well, it's certainly re-opened the question and it will be up to congress. it will not be up to law enforcement and members of congress will make the decision. just as new security measures around the white house are the decision of the president, not the secret service. they can suggest, but as in the case of congress, they will have be to the ones that decide. there was a feeling on the hill, after all the time since the
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january 6th riots that it was calming down and it was not necessary to have fences and everything else. i will say one other thing about this, richard, remember, if this man's goal was to attack congress, he failed. he was stopped by the security in place at the capitol. unfortunately two capitol police officerspaid a heavy price. one the heaviest. there's been other attacks on congress before. other people, we may remember russell westin, a pro foundly mentally disturbed man got inside the capitol and killed a police officer. so, this is happened before. but i think it's obviously reopening the debate now about whether there needs to be more security around the capitol. >> all right, pete williams, thank you for the latest on that and hop back on with us as you learn more as the story develops. thank you so much. now, i'm going to toss it to our colleague, it's a team effort
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tonight. we have a bit of a technical difficulty with rachel maddow' camera and that happens and i hand it to you, my friend. >> it takes a village, right? if rachel gets the camera worked out, it will are take a team of us. i will see you on my show this weekend, thank you, richard. and for those of you at home, don't worry, everything is okay with rachel. she is in position and ready to go at any moment she is likely on take the show back. just a technical problem with power. they are working on it at the moment. rachel is present and listening so, i promise not to mess things up. thanks for being with us this evening. we will of course keep you posted on the story developing at the united states capitol, where unfortunately one capitol police officer has lost their life. the fourth one since january 6th. another officer is in the hospital right now. well, this country, has had a terrible year for lots of reasons in 2020. but the men and women of the
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capitol police have truly been through hell so far in 2021. it was gut wrenching today to see the chief of that police force have to struggle and contain her own emotion as she announced yet another capitol police officer killed in the line of duty. today, of all days, a man named daniel rodriguez was in federal court in california after he was arrested this week for one of the most gruesome assaults on a police officer at the united states capitol attack on january 6th. now, we have a talked about this case on this show before. because of the unusual cofluence of terrible violence, online researchers definitively identifying this guy and then what seemed to be a delayed response in law enforcement at going and arresting him. the capitol attack happened of course the first week of
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january. you all remember that. january the 6th we learned after that, that part of the violence the trump plob unleashed against officers that day, someone in the crowd had repeatedly shocked or tased metropolitan police officer michael fanone, hit him repeatedly with it until he was knocked unconscious and he was then hospitalized and that attack caused him to have a heart attack. after online anti-activists and citizen investigators started to pick apart the footage from the attack to try to identify individuals who were leading the mob and committing the worst acts of violence. by the end of january, the fbi was receiving tips about daniel rodriguez. they knew about his identity and his role in the attack. now, it would only later emerge that there was actually clear
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identifiable video showing that rodriguez appears to be the person who shocked officer fanone in the neck. this is the video. under his helmet. and above his body armor, hitting his exposed skin on the side of his neck. by late february, it was reported, a profile on rodriguez, linked to all of the online photos and videos showing him committing the attack. reporting out his story of violence at other pro trump events and rallies and then they i.d.'ed him by his full name and hometown. it would still be more than a month before the fbi would turn up to arrest this guy. they finally did it this week. today. he was in court in california. the judge ordered him in custody until he awaits trial for among other things charges of assaulting officer fanone with that ele are ctro shock device.
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the video of him jamming that device in to the officer's neck was shown in court by the prosecutor. so, yeah, he is going to stay in jail. in terms of other news that we have been watching today. today, we broke all previous records for the number of vaccines administered in a single day. the white house covid response team said today alone, four million shots were administered. far higher than the previous record for a single day. president biden today announced we have also hit a record forrer the whole past week, 20 million shots administered over the past seven days. which means almost 10% of the entire adult u.s. population has received a vaccination shot in the last week. that is a phenomenal act sell -- acceleration in the roll-out. after johnson & johnson had a claim of destroying vaccines. they still hit their goal for the number of doses that they
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would have shipped by the end of march. they said that one company alone is on track to hit its target of 100 million doses shipped by the end of may. moderna, also got approval today to start shipping vials that have 15 doses in them, instead of five or ten. that means they will have less need to fill and finish work for each dose. for each vial. that means moderna's production will be accelerated as well. and pfizer announced good news about the efficacy about the south african variant, which is one of the variants that the scientists were most worried about. the vaccine news is getting strong and stronger. even as cases are rising. cases will stop rising if we can get enough of the vaccination -- enough of the population vaccinated fast enough and if we can hold it together to stop
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infecting each other so quickly in the next few weeks before there's a vaccine for everyone in the united states. and more news, on voting rights. big news, actually. as major league baseball pulled the all-star game and their players draft from atlanta. in direct response to georgia republicans radically rolling back voting rights in that state. a lot of reporting today about how civil rights groups have advocating by this kind of bold action to stand up for voting rights. less reporting on the fact that the major league baseball players' association had been pressuring the league to make this move. players have been at the front end of the thing the whole time. last night we reported on a rush of corporations. dell, delta, coca-cola, all of them coming out and criticizing the anti-voting bills and new laws in republican controlled states. today, a group of ceos for 100 companies, they all came out
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along the same lines. quote, every american should have a voice in our democracy, and voting should be safe and accessible. the elections must reflect the will of the voters. our elections are not improved when lawmakers impose barriers that result in longer lines at the polls or that reduce access to secure ballot drop boxes. i'm not sure that republicans in state legislatures are used to being cross wise with all the big business interests in their stated. i'm not sure what it will do for republican voting rights roll backs in the states. but all of this new out spokenness in the business world is strapping booster rockets to the prospects for senate bill one. sb-1. it's a bill in the senate to protect voting rights nationwide. if big businesses in numbers like this, with a willingness to
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had shove a bit on had this issue. if they take on the for the people act. sb-1. and they commit, that it must pass the senate, and it must become law, it's a whole new ball game. it might be the whole new all-star game. mentioned earlier, we are going to be speaking with katie better from the new york times. it was a story in the beginning of week, i could not have conjured from the ether, it has been rapid and increasingly blah developments. in that bombshell story that katie and her colleagues broke on tuesday night, the most bombastic congressman in washington, matt gates under federal, criminal investigation for alleged child sex trafficking. as we reported last night, the local republican elected official who's case led
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investigators to congressman gates. seminole county tax collector joel greenberg, he was hit yesterday with a federal indictment, bridging the number of federal felony charges he is facing to 33. the most serious of those of course is the allegationd in se of an under age girl. the latest reporting was that the nbc news is the first to report it's the sex trafficking investigation in to joel greenberg that led investigators to congressman gaetz and had they report that the under age girl that is the basis for the child sex trafficking indictment against greenberg is the same girl for whom congressman gaetz is facing similar charges. there's a part that is still developing. that appears to be part of how federal investigators got involved here in the first place. and that's only now coming in to focus when it comes to congressman gaetz.
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in the indictment of the other guy, joel greenberg, prosecutors accuse him of making multiple fake i.d.s. fake licenses and i.d. cards at the tax collector's office where he worked. they accuse him explicitly of using the fake i.d.s to facilitate the child sex trafficking and prostitution of which he is accused. it's not how clear the fake i.d.s, and particularly with his own picture on them were part of the alleged trafficking scheme, but the orlando sentinel was reporting that federal investigators got to congressman gaetz for his potential role in those same alleged crimes. after employees at the tax collector's office office saw footage of them both one weekend in 2018 doing who know's what. the office staff reportedly said
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that when they came in the office if next day, the alarm had not been reset. and multiple discarded driver's licenses were strewn around the desk instead of to be shredded file where they were left. he confronted his employees and bragged that yes, it had been him in the office overnight and that congressman matt gaetz had been with him, the two of them doing lord knows what with the i.d.s. they say it was part of the sex trafficking scheme for which greenberg is charged and gaetz is under scrutiny. this is not going well for him. worse with each passing day. katie is joining us next and we think rachel will be back as well.
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kicks out the extension chord and everything goes dark. that is pretty much how american infrastructure works right now. as long as our squirrels are trained and disciplined and in good order, everything is fine. you know, one unruly squirrel or on a friday night bender and things go dark. i am sorry for the technical difficulties that we have experienced here over the last 23 or so minutes. i want toali who is standing by because he is doing the next hour and has plenty of work to do right now and never the less stepped in until we got it back up and running. the operations field team is the people you want on your team when thing thes go wrong. they are freaking phenomenal.
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thank you for everyone who helped to get it back together. let's see if we can make it to the end of the show without it happening again. i have bribed the squirrels now. we will see. it was tuesday night this week that new york times reporters blew up what had otherwise been a normal for now news cycle when they reported that the most pro trump republican congressman of them all, florida congressman, trump die hard matt gaetz was under federal criminal investigation for possible sex trafficking of an under age girl. the times reported that congressman gaetz showed up on the radar of law enforcement unexpectedly after a part of a escalating investigation of a republican official. he is actually the tax collector for seminole county in florida. but he liked to wear his badge
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like that and at one point, pulled over a woman for speeding. even though that's not his job. he is not a cop. he is the tarks collector. but the lurid back story on joel greenberg, the role playing tax collector started sort of small in the local press and has gotten bigger as the charges against him have mushroomed. with an initial indictment last summer that led to his resignation from local office and then three federal indictments since. including one this week. mr. greenberg now faces trial in june on 33 federal criminal counts including child sex trafficking. and that almost unbelievably story of one republican official in florida has been well mined and well told by the orlando sentinel newspaper, in particular, and by local tv stations in the area.
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but the new york times on tuesday night breaking the news of congressman gaetz's vomit and potential legal jeopardy in the worst crimes that greenberg is charged with, that was a whole other thing. since the times broke that story, engendering furious denies from congressman gaetz, other outlets, cnn, and abc news and the daily beast have added more texture to the story line. abc news reported that matt gaetz's communication directorers resigned in the scandal. but last night, despite all the other news organizations that are working on this. last night it was the new york times that again blew the doors off the stories with a monumental gross-out advance. the times reported late last night that it was not just that one alleged relationship with the teenage girl that fell vectors were looking at, they were looking at his alleged
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involvement with multiple women who were recruited online for sex and received cash payments. according to the times. joel greenberg, the tax collector guy met the women through websites that connect people that go on dates for exchange of money and gifts which is not exactly prostitution if you do it exactly right. but he then introduced the women, reportedly, to congressman gaetz who had sex with these women and had entered in to a relationship for this. they reviewed receipts from mobile payment apps that showed receipts from two women with both of them. and in addition to congressman gaetz and joel greenberg the times had a detail that one of the women had sex with an unidentified associate of theirs. meaning an unidentified associate of congressman gaetz and greenberg in florida republican politics. now, we should note that
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congressman gaetz has not been charged with any crimes and he firmly denies that he paid for sex or had any relationship with under age girls. but the story keeps developing in ways that are more and more uncomfortable but now we are in it, aren't we. katie, thank you for joining us tonight and riding out the technical difficulties with us, i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. so, let me first just ask you, if i am explaining this story correctly and if you feel like general it will way the story is being discussed nationally, comports with what you have been able to report. are there elements that are being broadly misconstrued or people broadly understand the parameters of what investigators are looking at here? >> i think people do broadly understand the parameters. it was starting with a local
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florida politician and it has mushroomed and snared congressman gaetz. one of the things that is emerging from our reporting is the relationship between the two men. it is a clearer and clearer that it's joel greenberg who makes the initial overatures to women, and joel greenberg sending the messages that we have seen that say, please meet here at this hotel, there's a thousand dollars for you if you come. those are the sorts of things that joel greenberg is doing. it's his name on many of the receipts. it looks like he is the person that is responsible. whether or not he is the person in charge is the open question. because then he quickly hands everybody off to congressman gaetz where they engage in sexual behavior. we are seeing the government put pressure on greenberg as we speak racheting up the charges that he is diet said on the child -- he is indicted on the
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child sex trafficking charges. he is facing very, very severe penalties, and they are clearly trying to pressure him in order to get him to give them more information on other people that they would like more information about. possibly including congressman gaetz. >> is there any indication at this point, katie that mr. greenberg is cooperating with prosecutors? >> we have not seen any indication of that. he is remained defiant. he has plead not guilty. we don't know what will happen. but we also know the investigators are aware of other men involved in these sexual relationships. you know, we have spoken with people who talk about the interviews that some of the women may have given, where they have talked about people they have had sex with that were neither gaetz or greenberg but are associates of them. we are looking at a wider ring of men just beyond gaetz and
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greenberg. >> and there was, the phrasing around that part of the story seemed quite specific. at least one additional man described in conjunction with the allegations is another man involved in florida republican politics. is that the, is that the sort of, the way this seems to be going that it may be all people who have sort of political connections to one another? >> for now, what we have seen is that, from, for now what we are hearing and reporting, is that it is men involved in florida politics. you know, possibly donors. we have not seen it go beyond florida for now. >> katie can i also just ask you, and this is something that, i feel like i'm, if i were a lawyer i would understand it better. maybe specifically in conjunction with this case you can explain it in a way that makes me understand it and our viewers. what is the difference here in terms of prostitution, verses
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sex trafficking? and in terms of the allegations here, and what congressman gaetz is being investigate reay -- investigated for, are these things that would potentially be legal if the woman involved was of age but illegal if it was a girl involved under the age of 18? >> we will start with prostitution. that's a state crime. not a federal crime. to the extent that theor can pry had sex with the men, and cash was exchanged. that is something that can be prosecuted in florida. and they have strong laws around it. it's not something that federal prosecutors would necessarily be interested in per say. except when you start looking at sex trafficking of an adult. not sex trafficking of a minor. it's when an adult has sex that is coersed.
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there's a lot of drug use involved in the encounters. they will say, is it a form of coersion, people are given drugs because they are addicts and they are asked to have sex and they say yes because they need the drugs. so was there a corersive element? were they being passed around between the men and was it with their consent, and so on. these are crimes that can be difficult to prove. now, sex trafficking as a minor is a hard stop on the age. it's simply under the age of 18 who is given anything of value. it could be a hotel room, a beer. the reason the law is written so broadly is because one of the few things that republicans and
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democrats agree on is that sex trafficking of children is abhor a ant, that is also why this law comes with a strict sentence. it does not matter if the person knew the minors was a minor. it is a real serious charge. so, when you look at the elements of the investigation right now, it is the minor that is the most serious element. >> katie i now feel like i understand those distinctions that i did not previously understand. thank you for the clarity and for your reporting on the story. thanks for helping us understand. >> all right had, we have more ahead for tonight. stay with us.
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as we continue to return to classrooms... parents like me want to make sure we're doing it safely. especially in the underserved communities hardest hit by covid. trust me, no one wants to get back to classroom learning more than teachers like me. using common sense safety measures like masks, physical distancing, and proper ventilation. safety is why we're prioritizing vaccinations for educators. because working with our local communities... we will all get through this together, safely. today was day five in the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin who stands accused of murdering george floyd, heading in to on this week we knew it was going to be a trial under scrutiny with the whole country watching. i don't think that anybody expected that just one week in we would have seen the gut
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wrenching emotional and often surprising testimony that the prosecution has put on every day this week. or the opening arguments on monday by tuesday, prosecutors had started calling to the stand one by one each of the people who watched george floyd die on that memorial day evening last year. some of the witnesses were so young at the time they witnessed the alleged crime that the courtroom did not allow their faces to be shown on camera. one of the young witnesses was darnella fraser who recorded the cell phone video of mr. floyd's deaths that was ultimately seen worldwide. >> when i look at george floyd, i look at, i look at my dad. i look at my brothers. i look at my cousins, my uncles, because they are all black. i have a black father, i have a black brother. i have black friends. and i look at that, and i look at how that could have been one of them. it's been nights i stayed up
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apologizing and apologizing to george floyd for not doing more. and not physically interacting and not saving his life. >> stayed up apologizing to george floyd for not saving his life. darnella fraser would end up being one of several young people that testified and felt guilty for his death even though they were not responsible about it. and the clerk who accepted an allegedly counterfeit $20 bill and then reported it to his boss so it would not be taken out of his paycheck, that was what led to the police being called to the scene that day. >> i saw you standing there with your hands on your head for a while, correct? >> correct. >> what was going through your
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mind during that time period? >> disbelief. and guilt. >> why guilt? >> i would have just not tooken the bill, this could have been avoided. >> if i would have just not taken the bill this would have been avoided. by day four of the trial, they had called to the stand george floyd's girlfriend at the time of his death. the first person in the trial that had known mr. floyd before he died, she explained how she met him, when he saw her crying in the lobby of a homeless shelter where he was working as a security guard. >> floyd has a great deep southern voice, raspy, and he is like, sis is, you okay sis? and i wasn't okay. i said no, i'm just waiting for my son's father.
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and he said, sorry. he said, um, he said, well can i pray with you? >> when the prosecution announced its witnesses for today, it was seniority of expected that it would be a less dramatic day in court. and in part because the two witnesses prurts put on the stand today were both police officers. former colleagues of derek chauvin, which is why i think it caught everyone's attention when lieutenant richard zimmerman who is literally the highest ranking officer on the entire minneapolis police force. he told that jury today that officer derek chauvin's actions were against department policy, what he did is not what officers are trained to do, and he called the use of force against george floyd, quote, totally unnecessary. again, this is the most senior police officer in the minneapolis police department. his the was described by the new york times today as devastating
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for officer derek chauvin's defense. watch. >> have you ever in all of the years you have been working for the minneapolis police department been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back in the prone position? >> no, i haven't. >> is that, if that were done, would that be considered force? >> absolutely. >> what level of force might that be? >> that would be the top tier. the deadly force. >> why? >> because of the fact that, if your knee is on a person's neck that can kill them. >> what is your, you know, your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> what do you mean? >> well, first of all, pulling him down to the ground face down, and putting your knee on a
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neck for that amount of time is just uncalled for i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger if that's what they felt. and that's what they would have to have felt to be able to use that kind of force. >> again, that is the senior police officer on the minneapolis police force that testimony described as devastating according to the pool reporter in the courtroom during that part of the testimony, you could see all jury members taking notes furiously. we will be right back, stay with us. re-entering data that employees could enter themselves? that's why i get up in the morning!
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if you as an officer according to the training, you handcuff someone behind the back. what's your responsibility with regard to that person from that moment on? >> um, that person is yours.
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he is your responsibility. his safety is your responsibility. his well-being and -- is your responsibility. >> that's lieutenant richard zimmerman, he's the senior most police officer on the minneapolis, in the minneapolis police department, testifying today at the trial of derek chauvin. brent williams is a reporter from minnesota public radio. he has been covering the trial. we checked with him several times since the case unfolded. thanks for joining us tonight. nice to see you. >> good to see you again. >> so i feel like as a layman, watching this, just like a lot of people are watching this, i was surprised over the course of the week at the powerful and at times very emotional nature of the testimony. today was a shorter day of testimony. one that i didn't expect to be as affecting, but hearing from these police officers, particularly lieutenant zimmerman today, it felt like a
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sledgehammer for the prosecution today. i have to ask you how you saw it in context and how effective you think these witnesses have been. >> well, i'll tell you, i wasn't necessarily surprised by zimmerman's testimony. i covered lieutenant zimmerman for many years. i've interviewed him for a couple of different stories and seen him kind of how he interacts with the public and here's an example. in 2014, there was a well-known black activist who was basically accused, accused officers of beating him hup while serving a search warrant at his house, there was a public event in which community leaders came out to show their support for this community leader and zimmerman was. >> there the only member of the police department to show up. and he basically said hey, i'm sorry this happened to you, i hope you get justice. so zimmerman has a reputation as a lieutenant in homicide and since 1995, he relies on having
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that kind of connection with community members, and so i've seen him kind of hold that position throughout the community. so that part of his, the testimony was not surprised but as you said i think it was effective for the prosecution. >> and the jury looking at the scope of what's been offered here by the prosecution, obviously they're going to hear a powerful case from the defense team as well, i'm sure. but in terms of the, what we know about jurors' reactions to what they've been seeing, we got pool reporters, we can't all be there in the courtroom because of covid restrictions, but what we hear from reporters about jurors taking copious notes, jurors seeming to be emotionally affected by some of the testimony, as the prosecution is going to yield to the defense, does it feel like they sort of hit their marks, the things that they needed to get the jury to believe? >> well, it would appear so. now, there was, some of the other footage that we saw this week of course was that instore
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footage from cup foods, watching george floyd walking around, you know, just maybe an hour or so before he would no longer be with us, and the full report of that day noticed how the the jurors were paying attention and looking at george floyd making these movements and you could see him kind of wiggling about and as the clerk said, it appeared that he was high but was a friendly person and was pleasant to talk to, so i think it's that types of moments that had an impact on juror, they seem to be paying attention to seeing george floyd as a living person, before obviously what we saw in those videos of him taking his last breaths. >> brent williams, reporter from minnesota public radio, we know that the trial continues, it has actually really transfixed the country in a lot of ways but it's really helpful to have your reporting and your context. thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to be here. all right, we'll be right back.
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here's something that you might want to watch this weekend on sunday night, and it is a serious thing, but i think it's important, and i'm really, really glad that we're airing it here on msnbc. kate know is a reporter you probably know, you recognize her, and a really good reporter and correspondent at nbc news, and kate snow for the past more than two years has been digging and digging and digging on a story that would not have a home
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at every news organization. but it has one here. she's going to break this here on msnbc sunday night. it's a story, a disturbing story about a big for profit company that runs group youth homes across the country. this is mostly homes for kids who are wards of the state, kids from foster care, or from the juvenile justice system, kids who definitely have nowhere else to go. and what kate has been able to report out about this big for profit company running tons of these facilities around the country, it's disturbing, and it is astonishing, and she has really gotten to the bottom of it. here's a little piece of her report that's going to air here on msnbc on sunday night. >> after he throws the bread, two sequel staffers approach cornelius, there is no audio and you can see they're talking but when cornelius throws another piece of food, they shove him to the ground, two men become three and six adults on top of him
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holding cornelius down. >> that is a violent response what the staff did, how long they held him down is shocking to people when they watch it. but it was not shocking to anybody that was in that lunchroom. >> for more than ten minutes, staffers strained cornelius. >> we watched the entire video. kids move tables out of the way. they keep eating their lunch. staff come in and fill their trays and clear their trays. staff try to sit cornelius up and they surround him, 12 minutes tick by before anyone calls 911? >> a restraint and unresponsive. >> 12 minutes go by before the nurse finally calls 911 and you can see people walking around his lifeless body. >> he could have been saved, you know, if somebody would have had the moral compass to say that's enough. >> two days later, cornelius died at the hospital. his death deemed a homicide, three employees fired by sequel are charged with manslaughter. each one pleading not guilty.
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>> the company that operates these homes, sequel youth and family services gave us this statement, in response to kate's reporting on that death. quote, the actions shown in the video were in clear violation of policies and training on the appropriate use of emergency safety interventions. staff were swiftly terminated for their participation in the restraint. kate snow's reporting on this, as i said, has been going on for more than two years. it is part of a special that you should absolutely see. it is hard, particularly in light of the george floyd trial that has transfixed the country for this past week, and will into next week, i think it is absolutely critical. the special is called "children that pay," it's going to air this sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern time, on msnbc. it's well worth your time. all right, that's going to do it for us tonight. thank you again for bearing us with through our technical difficulties at the start of the hour, when we see you again on monday when everything will run perfectly, now

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