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tv   Hallie Jackson Reports  MSNBC  March 31, 2021 7:00am-8:00am PDT

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any minute in minneapolis a firefighter is expected back on the stand. the emt telling jurors she was
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stopped from giving medical assistance to george floyd when she first arrived at the scene off duty >> i would have been able to provide medical attention to the officers and they didn't let me into the scene >> we will go to her and others. we're also following news that pfizer is reporting the vaccine is 100 pesktive for kids age 12 to 15. i'm hallie jackson in washington along with gabe gutierrez in minneapolis. and former member of president obama's 21st century policing task force along with david henderson. good morning to you all. gabe, let me start with you in
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the next 30 minutes we expect to see the trial pick back up what's the expectation for what's ahead >> yeah, in the next few moments we're expecting a pre-trial hearing legal motion that we have been seeing every day now hallie has you mentioned her testimony was very powerful yesterday. she is an emt that came on the scene while she was off duty and saying she was stopped by minneapolis police officers from providing medical assistance to george floyd show fought back tears during some part of her testimony she clashed with the defense attorney eric elson in cross-examination. the judge scalded her and said she could not argue. it will be interesting to see how she comes back from that
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washington the prosecutor laid out it's case and tried to hit home that these were all witnesses. people going about their daily lives that were through into this traumatic situation that characterization of those bystanders is in stark contrast of what the defense was trying to suggest that this was an angry mob that distracted these police officers we don't know what other witnesses will testify today but it was certainly that someone will be looking for. how many witnesses did we see that were there at the time that george floyd died. >> gabe references that moment with the judge repeprimanding
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genevieve hanson what do you make of that and what are you looking for as she takes the stance again this morning? >> that's one of the most important things you never want a judge to chide your witnesses and admonish the way you're defending the case. they should be doing that at this staid of the trial, but you have to do things like that politely you can law the ire of the judge. if the state was smart it had a conversation with her last night and the other witnesses on how they're courtroom demeanor should be. >> all of the witnesses that we have heard from so far, ses herbly the younger ones that were minors at the time, they have become victims themselves
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the drama of seeing a man lose consciousness left it's mark i want to play some of that. >> i stayed up at nights, apologizing and apologizing to george floyd for not doing more. >> i saw that officer put a knee on george floyd. >> how did you feel about that >> i was sad and kind of mad. >> how did that make you feel? >> totally distressed. >> were you frustrated >> yes >> you can see the trauma that these witnesses all went through on that day.
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>> there are so many things that strike me. when you're out there confronted the fact that these young folks were too young to testify in person and have their faces seen, but old enough to experience the trauma and witness the murder of george floyd. we talk about the fact that black children are not allowed to be children i used to teach eight and nine-year-olds they should be worried about multiplication and division. not the fact that they just saw someone who they were taught that would serve and protect them putting the knee on the neck of a man that was not doing anything wrong so this trauma getting replicated in the lives of black children over and over especially for those that witnessed this crime by krid owe or in person that trauma is being revisited
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and the other thing that i'm confronted with is the fact that that trauma is continual for this entire community. for the family, and the family of so many of those that have fallen victim to the violence of the institution of policing and for the black community broadly we see the videos over and over again. the wound gets reopened when the trial begins 99% of the time, not figuratively but they are not being held accountable this draw is is what the movement is trying to end. we don't want to see officers just held accountable. it is the only possible justice there could be >> britney and david, i'm going to ask you both to stay where you are. we're getting closer to day three of the trooifl and we're going to take you back live to minneapolis when we see
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genevieve hansen taking the stand. pfizer is announcing their vaccine is 100% effect initiative preventing covid from kids 12 to 15 years old. the ceopfizer saying they plan to submit this information as soon as possible. does that mean this age group could be eligible for a vaccine before the next school year in the fall let me bring in dr. torres good morning thank you for being on >> good morning. >> so how big of a deal is this new information. help us answer that question what does it mean for 12 to 15-year-old age group before school in the fall >> that is very exciting announcement, but it's just that it did a news release. has not been peer reviewed and we don't have the detailed
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information, but from the information that we have it is very exciting. they're showing 100% effectiveness. they are authorized to give it to 16 and above already. so they're looking at the next level of ageing here what they found out is 2,000 people in the trial, they got the vaccine and none got the insurrection these didn't, 18 got the infection. the number of infections are low. so it is hard to extrapolate all of that. it is looking good and the hope is by summer time they can start getting the vaccines by the time you can go back to school. >> do you think that is realistic based on the steps needed before that >> i think it is they don't necessarily need to seek a complete new emergency use authorization. they just need an amendment to the one they already have. they will submit paper work to the fda.
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based on what we know before and what you're showing us they can do that fairly quickly they can submit that fairly soon and then they can start getting shots in arms. it will be an issue like it has been going forward, but hopefully that and the other vaccines can get done so they can go back vaccinated middle schoolers and high schoolers. >> what about kids under the age of 12? 11 and under what is on the horizon for them and when >> they're already doing trials, they started to give shots in arms for human trials there. that data should come out in the early summer they will look at the younger age groups and the six month to 2-year-old age groups that will probably be available later in the air. my guess those shots will come in early 2022. the hope is that the older children can get vaccinated before they have to go back to
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school >> thank you for that and breaking down that developing news for us this morning back in washington now we have our hands on the first detailed look on the jobs plan. it's a big price tag president biden getting ready to go to pittsburgh to sell it. it's a $2.2 trillion plan to fix roads, bridges, and more it includes corporate tax hikes. let's bring in carol lee near the white house bhap is creating a little controversy here. >> everything from bridges to electric car charging stations for the numbers and what is in this piece of legislation, there is $621 billion for transportation infrastructure.
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$100 billion each for high speed broadband. power infrastructure, workforce development, and then they focus on housing $213 for affordable housing. public schools, community college, child care for aacilit. people with disabilities nap is what is in the bill now. when it comes to how they plan to pay for this it's a tax hike. this is a bill largely spread out over eight years the paid for side goes over 15 years. that is based on tax increases aimed at corporations. you have things like a corporate tax rate increase from 21% raising the global minimum tax to 21% and essentially e limb senating subsidies, loopholes, and other things for the fossil fuel
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industries so this focus is on corporate tax increases and then you have a number of provisions within this to get to that over $2 trillion number. it is part of that outreach, but this is really hard to get any republican support for the price tag but also because of the tax increases. and even among democrat it's can be a pretty heavy lift >> and democratic leadership on that front over on the hill. responding overnight to those reports, under investigation for possible sex trafficking of an under age girl it will get started, we think, inay mbe the next 10 minutes or so we'll bring that to you live coming up. more community. but with my hiv treatment,...
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this morning you have matt gates claiming he is the victim of an extortion plot he is said to be facing a justice department inquiry over sex with an underage girl. investigators are looking into whether or not he violated sex trafficking laws he said it is a lie. >> it's a horrible allegation and a lie. what is happening is an extortion of me and my family involving a former department of justice official who is this girl >> the person doesn't exist. i have not had a relationship with a 17-year-old it's totally false
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>> the justice department investigation, and i want to bring in kerry sanders what record exists to back up these investigations and what gates is saying. where does it go from here >> let's underscore that these are false allegations and that somebody is trying to extort him and his family of $25 million. now he says that his father was asked to wear a wire by the fbi and that there are recordings that he says will exonerate and therefore release the those documents and tapes are critical but the fbi does not dwharm there is a wire. and as they do with all investigations they don't
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release documents as things are ongoing. the story broke in the new york sometimes by reporter katie brenner. >> congressman gates is saying that someone found out and used that investigation to try to get money out of his family. so i'm not saying it is untrue, but it came on months and months of a district. >> again, there are no charges, but there are a lot of tongues wagging as people try to determine what the full story is here and it will take some time for that to come out >> kerry, thank you. this morning back here in dc, two capitol police officers are filing a lawsuit for physical
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and emotional injuries from the january 6th riot he has not yet responded to the lawsuit. what more can you tell us about what the officers are saying and where they want the officers to go >> the two blaufrss arpolice officers are holding trump accountable. they're asking for damages worth $75,000 each a capitol police spokesperson says these officers are acting in their individual capacities, not speaking for the department as a whole the second thing is that this is pretty much what the former president was impeached for. he was charged with inciting the
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insurrection on the capitol. the former president's team has not commented on this particular lawsuit, but during that trial, they refuse to call it an insurrection all of this happens as senate committees are continuing to investigate the leadership structure on capitol hill that is seeing a major shake up they're considering whether or not further changing are needed. this is a reminder of what is possible >> we're going to take a quick break and when we come back day three of the derek chauvin trial expected to begin. we'll take you there live.
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taking you back now live to minneapolis. you can see the live shot of the seal there in the courtroom for day three of the murder trial of derek chauvin. i want to bring in shaquille brewster who are back with us. along with a former prosecutor and now a criminal defense attorney and host of "making the case." p we have not seen those live sh
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shots. we have not seen the jurors. they're invisible to the wider audience intentionally what do we know so far what can we read about how they're taking in this witness testimony at this point? >> based on the counts of two rotating reporters allowed in the testimony. many of them are taking notes, sometimes they're cross referencing their notes as a witness is testifying there on the stand. one thing we heard from yesterday and it was the reaction of the jury when we heard the witness of darnell frazier, one of the reporters said that even through the masks there was many noticeable expressions of sympathy at the end of her testimony she ended with a clip i believe you played earlier today she stayed up at night apologizing and apologizing to
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george floyd wishing that she could do more. the feeling of hopelessness. we also know in some of the more tense moments with mrs. hansen who will be the first witness we'll hear from today. one of the reporters say they are uncomfortable with the level of hostility in the level of questioning. people are wearing masks, there is distancing between the reporter and the jury. there is also some comradery forming between the jury in the side bars when the judges and the attorneys, they seem to talk to one another. they seem to be very familiar with one another at this point jury selection just wrapped up last week. and this is just day three of the arguments taking place so it seems to be a pretty quick place that they getting used to
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as they learn about one another. >> yeah, spending hours a day in that room over the last few days for the last few days and several weeks to come. shaq talked about picking up potentially some of the reporters, picking up on the hostility. some of the clashes that we have seen do you they is ultimately going to be effective or does the defense team here run the risk of that combative nature potentially backfiring >> absolutely. i think that the defense is reaching for straws at this point. what they're trying to do is get these witnesses to act in a way that would fit the cl characterization that they made about these onlookers from last year when they were watching chauvin and the other officers essentially taking the life of george floyd into what they're trying to do is something that
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is strategic if is classic defense work i don't think the prosecution prepped these witnesses beforehand to let them know this is what happens typically on cross-ex cross-examination. just answer the questions, don't be combative, and today they tried to rehappeb the emt on the stand and allow her to explain things that the defense attorney was locking her into yes or no answers. the defense is trying to poke holes, they're trying to lay blame to the onlookers for why the officers didn't render aide to george floyd that is outlandish so they're grasping at this point, they have no claim. >> pick up on some of this point. we heard our colleague gabe gutierrez. the contrast of the testimony
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from the witnesses and many of those who we talked about were extremely emotional and the defense that is an angry mob, if you will, that was distracting the police officers involved in this do you think the defense team is having success so far in raising that question in the mind of the jurors about what bystanders were actually doing? >> no. don't think the jury actually has that question. it's on video. the defense has a bad trial strategy and i'm not mad at them because i'm always worried about what someone will do in court. the smart thing for the defense would do is to focus on causation which is where most of our arguing will happen in this case all you want to do is clarify what they know and don't know.
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they are picking fights with the witnesses, and can that make a case go sideways absolute absolutely. i don't think it hurts the prosecution at this point. wunl of the things that we were watching was the testimony of donald williams, the mma trainer that was testifying. the defense repeatedly tried to p portray him as angry >> you were angry? >> no. >> williams push back was so notable he said i stayed in my body you can't paint me out you can't paint me as angry that
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day. talk about why that is important for him to say and what is potentially problematic on this line of questioning here >> the angry black man troupe is central to this case we know the defense started to put him, his behavior, and his physical health on trial as if he took his own life and we see that the people who were witnesses to this atrocity were trying to be painted as an angry mob. but who bet tore go after, to paint as angry, than a black man. so this is central to this idea, but it is disgusting that a civilian like mr. williams should have been more composed in that moment than the multiple police officers that caused the death of george floyd. >> thank you, we're going to take you back into that courtroom live in minneapolis.
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let's watch. >> just a quick follow up, did you have anything with you at that time? >> no. >> you were asked about seeing the fluid running down the street there and you thought -- you considered whether or not it might be bodily fluids from mr. floyd, correct >> correct >> if you knew it wasn't bodily fluid from mr. floyd, would it have changed your assessment of his medical needs at that moment in time? >> no, sir, it's just something i noticed. >> and your assessment of his medical condition at that time,
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is you believe he needed immediate medical attention? >> yes, sir. you were asked about whether or not you could hear the officers talking. did the officers ever -- other than officer tao, who you said you spoke directly to it the other three officers speak to you at all >> not that i remember >> did any of them tell you hey, we have an ambulance coming? >> not that i remember >> did anyone say we have the fire department coming >> no. >> you were asked a little bit about what you thought would be a typical response time for the fire department, because that's who you work for, correct? >> correct >> and you were being asked about something that you don't know about in terms of the fire department's response in this case >> correct >> and you don't know who called
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ambulance and fire for this case >> yes >> so your answers were typical case >> correct >> that's all of the questions that i have. >> anything further? >> thank you, you may step down. >> okay, thank you
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>> a slight pause in the proceedings here, genevieve hansen has just wrapped up her testimony. let's listen back in as the prosecution gets ready to call their next witness
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>> if you could just stand there and raise your right hand? do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> correct >> and we have various barriers and masks on, but we ask if you're comfortable with doing so to take your mask off for testimony. >> that's fine >> and if you could pull up a little to the microphone to make sure we can hear you we'll test it out by having you state your name. christopher martin m-a-r-t-i-n. >> thank you mr. martin, how old are you? >> 19. >> can you tell the jurors where you live now >> bloomington, minnesota.
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>> taking you back to may 25th of 2020 last year. where were you living at that time >> i was living above cup foods in the apartments on 38th street >> how long at that time had you been living there? >> about four months >> who did you live there with my mom and my sister >> so you were pretty familiar with the area of 38th and chicago? >> yes. >> on that date were you in school at the time >> no. >> did you go ton do some schooling after that >> so i went to minneapolis to do my school online and i would take the bus home. >> did you also have a job were you working at the time >> yes, i worked at cup foods.
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>> was it full-time or part-time? >> full time >> what kind of shifts did you pull there >> usually every day except wednesday and sunday 3:00 to 8:00 p.m. or close. >> what kinds of things did you do >> i was a cashier i would work in tobacco if someone came in, or i could help if people want today buy things from the deli i would help them with that or various snacks. >> on may 25th, can you describe what customers can get there >> there is a deli that you can order food, you can get wing combos, italian beef sandwiches.
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groceries, toilet ries, tobacco, and phone products >> what do you mean? >> i think it's metro pcs. you can buy a phone, set up a plan >> do they also have people that could fix and repair phones? >> yes >> so they did a lot there at cup foods? >> yes >> i promise you i would tell you to fix that if you said uh-huh >> yeah. >> so a fairly busy store in may of 2020? >> yes >> a lot of customers? >> yes >> so the part that sold toe back doe was that despseparatedm the rest of the store? >> you can go in and get food, snacks, or toilet ries and to th
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right is where the tobacco is. >> is it sectioned off >> yes, basically. >> so you would work both places tobacco and the regular? >> yes >> and so going to may 25th of 2020 were you working on that day? >> yes >> and you know that's the date that the incident occurred that brings you to court today? >> yes >> was your shift 3:00 to 8:00 that day >> the store closed at 8:00? >> yes >> so when you were working, let's look at that day generally how many coworkers did you have working with you that day? >> about four to five with at least one manager present. >> and so let's go to
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proximately 7:45 p.m you were working, did you have a customer that came into the store that you know now is mr. floyd? >> yes >> did you know him before he came into the store? >> i did not >> had you ever seen him before in the store >> no. >> and what was it about him that sort of gave you notice >> probably just his eyes -- >> you said his size >> yes >> a tall guy? >> yes >> did you actually interact with him in the store? >> i did have one conversation with him >> and just not what was said but what was it about? >> i asked him if he played
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football -- i asked him if he played baseball, and he said he played football. >> and when you were communicating with him, could you describe for the jurors what his demeanor was like? what was his condition like? >> when ski asked him if he plad baseball, he went on to respond to that, but it kind of took him a little long to get to what he was trying to say. it would appear that he was high >> so you had signs that you thought he was under the influence of something >> yes >> but were you able to carry on at least some conversation with him? >> yes >> and did you eventually sell him something? >> yes >> and that was what >> the cigarettes.
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>> that was later on >> yeah. >> the conversation that we had he didn't purchase anything. >> but later you were able to understand what he was buying? >> yes >> when he was in the store, well, i was going to ask you for how long he was in the store was it a quick time or was he in there for a little bit >> he informs there for a little bit. i think he came in to make some repairs on his phone he might have had to wait in line and then -- >> and you, let me ask it this way. at cup foods you're aware there are security cameras inside, correct? >> yes >> and one of those security cameras is in the back of the store, facing to the front, correct? >> yes >> and that will capture employees and the counter where
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the cashiers are, correct? >> yes >> and prior to coming into court, we showed you a video or a couple videos of the time that mr. floyd was in the store >> yes >> and that is -- when you saw that, did you recognize that as a fair and accurate representation of the time that he was in the store? >> yes >> i'm going to offer exhibit 29 >> without objection >> 29 is received. >> we're going to play that for you now and there is no audio on this, correct? just video, is that right? >> yes >> and so we're just going to sit and watch it and then i'll have questions after the video shows, okay? >> okay.
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23 now i'm going to pause this for a moment can you flick forward just a few more frames, please? let's just keep going here for a little bit all right, stop it right there, please a couple things, and just for the record, the time stamp on the video is currently 7:36.57 but you don't know if that time stamp is the actual correct time that this was being taken, do you? >> i do not. >> and there are ways that we can deal with that later, but you're not -- i think you answered my question if you would in this photograph,
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describe for the jurors what we're seeing here in the layout of the store and one of the things they want to let you snow in front of you there should be a stylus like this and if you take it and see how you can draw on the screen so if you would, as you're jus telling the jurors the layout of the store, maybe just mark the screen when you're talking about the difference areas of the store, okay? >> okay. >> so when you enter here, the next door is right here in is where -- sorry, this is where tobacco is that is thousand is closed off if you take a left here, there's a door here, and then these are all of the snacks. this is where the deli is located. kind of tucked off here. right here is just kind of like my managers space, usually where
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they are watching to see who comes in and out and back here you can't really see it but there is people and in the front is mainly where i sit all day when i worked as cashier >> all right, and then i think you can clear the screen in one swoop, right please thank you. and so when we're looking, i'm going to have you identify this individual here, george floyd, that is mr. floyd who you had the conversation with. >> correct >> and then this individual right in here who is that? >> that's me >> and then these other three individuals are co-workers >> yes >> and so this, is this the area when you're cashiering, that you work >> yes >> except when it's tobacco and that's over back here?
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>> yes i'm going to pause right here for another moment, please there's an individual sitting here >> yes >> you don't have to give us his name but is he a co-worker as well? >> yes >> so it looks like even just in this frame, at least four
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co-workers, correct? >> would there be a manager on duty as well >> yes. >> where would the manager be? >> he would be tucked off here in the corner of the store it's just like right in the corner usually behind his computer working. and then when people needed help, he would pop out and help. >> all right then let's continue. thank you.
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i'm going to stop it right here for a moment, please mr. martin, do you see where you are? just for the record, we stopped at 7:37:28 do you see where you are in the store right now? >> yes. >> what's that location? >> tobacco section of the store. >> that's where you go to sell cigarettes to people >> yes. >> and other tobacco products, suppose? >> yes. >> then we can continue, please. while we are watching this, mr. martin, can you tell us -- looks like windows on the far wall, correct? >> yes. >> and what street is outside of those windows?
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>> 38th. >> is that actually chicago? >> chicago you are talking about the one that's in front? >> the one where the bus is. >> yes that's 38th. sorry about that. >> is that chicago in front of the store? >> yes, sorry, chicago
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>> i'm going to stop you here, if we could, please. for the record, this is 7:39:09. do you see an individual has walked into the frame, correct this individual here >> yes >> again, you don't have to give us his name. who is that? >> that's the manager. >> he has come out from the manager area of the store? >> yes >> all right we can continue then, please
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now, if we can pause here for a moment, please for the record, this is 7:39:28. you see mr. floyd has sort of walked off the screen, correct >> yes. >> and so what area of the store is that where he has walked to >> cell phone area >> and then if we can continue
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mr. martin, then at some point does mr. floyd make his way to the tobacco counter to make a purchase with you? >> yes >> we will see that coming up in a minute or two.


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