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and good afternoon, i'm geoff bennett in for my good friend, yasmin vossoughian. with ef got a lot going on right now and a great team of correspondents and guests ready to cover it all. including anger and outrage in atlanta. a protest against a new election law that could potentially steal the vote from georgia's citizens. it's a state law that could have national implications, increasing the calls today for the senate to pass federal protections for voting rights. plus, a deadline quickly approaching for what could be the biden administration's first big policy, foreign policy
decision, and that's whether to keep american troops fighting in afghanistan. and the clock is ticking down to a curfew tonight in miami beach as the battle continues there between rowdy spring breakers and local officials trying to enforce covid restrictions. a live report on that just ahead. but we start with georgia's new sweeping election law that sparked a protest rally happening right now in atlanta. president biden has gone so far as to call that state law a, quote, blatant attack on the constitution and good conscience because of its restrictions on voting access. nbc's jane tim and vaughn hillyard jane me now. help us understand what's in this law and what challenges it presents for georgia voters. >> reporter: so, the law is almost a hundred pages long but top of the list, it adds voter i.d. requirements for mail voters, so mail voters in the past used to be identified by their signature. they were checked when they applied for a ballot, when they sent the ballot in, it was
checked in for significant on file with the dmv and with the election officials, and that's how they verify identity. now they have to include their driver's license number or other identifying documents, which for georgians without driver's licenses, that's a big deal. other key provisions, it shortens the runoff election like what we saw in january, down from nine weeks to 28 days which critically makes it a lot less early voting for those voters in those runoffs. another one, you can see on the list, it also shortens the period for requesting your mail ballots which just is all of these things taken together, it's going to make it a little harder in a lot of ways to cast a ballot. >> yeah, and as we've been talking that protest there has been under way. what's the latest on the pushback the state is facing? there are a number of atlanta-based companies that really didn't get involved in this entire debate, and polling shows the majority of georgians disagree with some of the major provisions in this law, including a provision that
strips authority away from local election officials. tell us more about that. >> reporter: yeah, you know, there's been a lot of pressure on those corporate partners, as you said, and i think this is sort of smacks of partisanship, the idea that the secretary of state, the head of elections, was taken off the state election board after confronting the president about the accuracy of the election. raffensperger, secretary of state raffensperger, really defended georgia's result and now sees he's losing power in that process. but we know there's a lawsuit against the law. we also know that president biden yesterday said that the department of justice is looking into this law, so we may see more about this law before not. >> and vaughn hillyard, over to you, friend, at your post on capitol hill. give us a sense of the implications of this georgia law. what does this mean for lawmakers on capitol hill right now? >> reporter: geoff, we've had conversations about what democrats' priority was going to be up on capitol hill in terms of passing joe biden's agenda
and what this georgia law did was heighten the urgency among democrats, from joe biden, to speaker pelosi, calling on the senate to take action on hr1, the for the people act that was passed earlier this month by the house of representatives. all but one democrat in the house voted for the measure and now it comes down to the senate. there is not anticipated senate support among republicans and that is where it puts foremost the question on democrats about whether they would go about knocking and essentially foregoing the filibuster in order to pass this legislation. take a listen to senator raphael warnock responding to this very question here in georgia. >> the question really is not, where do i stand on the filibuster? that's a senate rule. the most fundamental question is where do you stand on voting rights? we wouldn't have to have this debate about the filibuster, at least on this issue, if the folks on the other side would do
the right thing and stand for voting rights and vote the bill up. they can vote the bill up. >> reporter: and that's, again, where the pressure, though, is going to be coming down on particularly the senate democrats, being joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, these democrats who have said that they would not -- or they would abide by the filibuster. there has been no senate republicans that suggested they would vote for hr1, the for the people act, which makes raphael warnock's position there difficult for democrats when they're talking about getting it past the senate. >> yeah, it's interesting to hear senator warnock say, you know, why are democrats getting all these questions about the filibuster? why aren't republicans getting questions about whether or not they're going to, you know, effectively disenfranchise wide swaths of american voters? so, vaughn, give us a sense, this for the people act, if it's passed in washington, d.c., what does that do to voting laws like the ones in georgia and like the ones that other states are trying to pass? >> reporter: i think one of the points you got to make out of this is that it would ban states
from requiring photo identification for mail-in ballots. in georgia this last election you saw more than 1.3 million georgians mail in their ballot and black voters mailed them back at a greater rate than white voters but also it would require the early voting be available by mail to voters, at least two weeks. it would also allow for same-day voter registration here, but there's a second piece of legislation too that democrats want to take up and that's the john lewis voting rights advancement act. this is significant here because it would reimpose section v of the 1964 civil rights act. as you'll recall, back in 2013, the supreme court struck down section 5, which required, at the time, nine states, including georgia, to seek federal approval, either through the courts or the department of justice, in order to make changes to their voting laws. what you are seeing since is states like arizona, georgia, take this concerted effort to change their voting rules and
that is why it's these two pieces of legislation, hr1, as well as the john lewis voting rights advancement act here that the democrats want to take up here in these upcoming weeks. >> got it. nbc's vaughn hillyard and jane timm, thanks. it's like the christmas tree of goodies for voter suppression. that's how georgia senator jen jordan describes the recent voter legislation in her state. she'll join me live at 4:00 p.m. eastern to talk about those efforts and how she plans to fight back. all right, breaking news from washington, where nbc news has learned there will be changes coming to the homeland security advisory council. white house officials say dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas is conducting a thorough review that could result in the dismissal of some of its members. nbc's monica alba is at the white house. so, monica, what have we learned about this overall shake-up? what's the latest? >> reporter: this is new action
from the dhs secretary who's juggling a whole range of issues, so that's the backdrop to this decision to really get rid of the current members on this advisory council. about 32 of them were notified in a letter yesterday that we've obtained that they no longer will serve on this. it's an unpaid position, and we should point out there were both democrats and republicans, some of whom had served on this kind of board for years, but they have essentially been told, you will no longer be needed in this role as the secretary undertakes this new review comprehensively, and there are some people who are staying on. the chairman and the vice chair are going to be trying to assess in what roles maybe they can remake this council, but what's also interesting to note here is that on that list of people who were on the council, several trump loyalists, people like ken cuccinelli and tom homen, who we remember from the trump administration era, those officials who often came out with a very hard stance and hardline views on immigration,
so white house officials are quick to point out that, again, it wasn't just them who were removed. it was also some democrats who had served for a longer capacity and now we know the secretary's going to take a couple of weeks as he studies this. it's not clear whether the new council will also be as large with 30-plus members or whether he's going to downsize it and make it a whole new group but it really just shows you how giant of an issue all of this is and why you have the secretary digging in and basically trying to now get a new range of diverse voices on the many issues that are part of the immigration challenge to advise him as he navigates these next weeks and months, geoff. >> nbc's monica alba, good to see you this saturday afternoon. for a second weekend in a row, miami beach, florida, is on high alert now with an 8:00 p.m. curfew to curb spring break activities. it's feared those activities could trigger a super spreader
event. cori coffin is in miami beach, and cori, have we seen any changes since last weekend? how are things shaping up there? >> reporter: well, just anecdotally, geoff, i have noticed a massive change. the crowds just really are different from this time last year or last week, i should say. now, during the day, the crowds are less and we'll have to see what happens tonight but we were here last night as the second weekend of curfew was instituted, and even though police did have to remove people from the streets and make them go home, there were no reported incidents and especially no reported incidents of violence. it is a stark departure from last week where there were several incidents reported and police have been receiving criticism for their so-called use of force. they fired pepper balls into the crowd last week in order to get that massive crowd to disburse. now, the police said that the reason they fired those is because some members of the crowd began charging at them. this, of course, all comes in these emergency orders come after weeks of violence from
these nighttime crowds flocking in, these partiers flocking into miami beach. so far, the media reported some 1,000 arrests over the past 6 weeks, geoff, and 400 of them were for violent offenses in particular. now, last weekend, what we saw is the crowds actually spreading out into neighboring cities when the curfew was enforced. we'll have to see if that happens again this weekend. but miami pd had to speak on that just recently because they had to deal with some of those issues and the violence getting into their neighborhoods last weekend. listen to the message they have for anyone coming out this weekend. >> we just want to let everybody know that if you're going to come into the city of miami and you want to have a vacation and create good memories, you're welcome. please come in, enjoy the hospitality, enjoy the businesses, and enjoy our restaurants. but we're not going to tolerate any disorder. >> reporter: all right, geoff, so, miami pd is going to continue to assist, as are other police departments, assist miami beach here in controlling the
crowds this second weekend but of course that is -- there is that added concern over a possible surge in coronavirus cases with these densely packed crowds and of course these crowds, since most of them are not from here, they're going ton traveling out to other states, take a look here at these tsa numbers. you can see the four fold, 400% increase in travel from last year. the travel that we're seeing right now, geoff, is at an all-time high from the pandemic. >> yeah, and the effect on the pandemic, this being a potential super spreader event is of course a major concern. msnbc's cori coffin in miami beach, florida for us. thanks to you. all right, meantime, two shootings and another spring break destination turn deadly overnight. both happening along the ocean front in virginia beach. in all, two people are now dead, and eight more are injured. gunfire first broke out after 11:00 p.m. last night where eight victims were discovered. now, shortly after that, more shots were fired nearby, and an
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>> the answer is that it's going to be hard to meet the may 1 deadline. at least in terms of tactical reasons, hard to get those troops out. we will leave. the question is when we leave. >> sorry, do you believe, though, it's possible we could have troops there next year? >> i can't picture that being the case. >> and to talk more about the administration's foreign policy challenges, let's bring in christopher hill, he's a former u.s. ambassador to iraq, south korea, poland, and macedonia. he's a professor at columbia university and he's also an nbc diplomacy expert and in addition to all that, he's also the author of "outpost: a diplomat at work." it's good to see you, ambassador hill. let's start with this. lloyd austin was in afghanistan this week, as you know, and while talks between the taliban and the afghan government have
not really reached an agreement yet, that really sort of complicates the picture for the u.s. involvement here, so what do you expect will happen by may 1st? >> well, i would go along with the president here. this is going to be really tough. you know, the so-called doha agreement reached with the trump administration took not just weeks and really several months just to get to that, and of course the biden administration's come in, wants to make some changes in terms of government formation, and also is insisting, quite understandably, wants to see reduction in the violence. that was also contained in the doha agreement, and i am not sure the taliban is kind of ready for that kind of negotiation. it's -- they have a lot of different factions and a lot of their factions are not happy with this. i mean, they consider this sort of an all or nothing proposition, and they're not sure about power sharing, so i think the president is right to say it's going to be tough to meet may 1, but he's also right
to say, look, we are going to be out of here coming year, and i think that's important for the american people to understand. he is not going to allow this to go on and on and on. >> there's a new "washington post" piece that's out today and it says the aggressive push from the u.s., which really started under the trump administration for a peace deal, has brought the taliban to a crossroads and it includes this quote. it says, what the taliban does could signal where the balance of power lies within the movement and what its vision is for afghanistan's future. help us understand that sort of nexus between the afghan government and the taliban and whether or not we could see u.s. troops coming home if not by may 1st then certainly within the year. >> it's a classic dilemma when you negotiate with these various insurgency groups. you have the people you're negotiating with, and by definition, they want a deal, and they also have some, how to put it, strategic perspective in the sense that they think the
taliban, they want some kind of international recognition. they're not sure whether they want to live in caves for the rest of their existence. so they're kind of there. and then you have people out in the field taking incoming fire every day and, by the way, giving out as much as they -- as much as they get, so they are -- they're not so happy about this, and then you can imagine the rivalries that go on in these various factions. so, the problem when you negotiate with these guys is do you have the right guys there? do you need more guys there? and so, what you look for are certain sort of overall conditions. can we reduce the level of violence? that would suggest that the people you're negotiating with could go back home and say, knock it off, guys. and so, it is not at all clear you have that kind of team right there and it's going to be tough, as the president said. >> i want to ask you about something the white house announced yesterday. and it's that president biden invited 40 world leaders to a
climate summit next month, and it includes the presidents of china and russia. and these are both people who you know president biden has criticized just this month, president biden said that vladimir putin is a killer who doesn't have a soul. and then this week, he said that president xi doesn't have a, quote, democratic bone in his body. so, how can these countries be, on the one hand, geopolitical foes, but then on the other hand, expected to cooperate with the u.s. on climate? how does that work? >> well, this is going to be a long-term process, obviously, and at a certain point, our president will kind of redevelop the personal relationships he's had with these and many other leaders. but i think the message is quite clear. climate needs to be addressed. we need to work together. there's no addressing climate without the chinese. there's no addressing climate without russia and you know, many other countries. so, i think it's an effort to say, we have a lot of
differences between us, but let's find something that we all agree, and so he's invited them to what will be a, by the way, virtual climate meeting. we won't see awkward handshakes in the white house or something. >> yeah. there's a lot you can do on zoom these days. and this will be one of them. ambassador christopher hill, thanks for your time and insights this afternoon. coming up, the ship that launched a thousand memes. efforts to free one of the world's largest cargo vessels wedged in the suez canal and the economic economic of this major maritime traffic jam. this majo maritime traffic jam hey, i'm alicia menendez, today i'm talking with congressman joaquin castro. what he saw and what he thinks washington can and should do about it. "american voices" right here on msnbc. "american voices" right here on msnbc. don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief*
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[ speaking foreign language ] that is hard to watch, and look, you don't have to understand spanish to know that mother's grief as the number of migrant children and families making their way to the u.s. surges. we got a heartbreaking reminder of just how dangerous that journey is this week after a 9-year-old girl died while trying to cross the rio grande with her mother and brother. that was her mother we just saw. the influx of migrants has sparked duelling border trips from congressional democrats and republicans. both are calling on president biden to address the overcrowded holding facilities and find a legislative solution to stem the flow of migrants. joining me now is nbc's suzann
gamboa who is outside a holding facility in the small town near the south texas border. and look, lots of reaction to these congress members' latest trips to the border with more slated for today. and you know, we're talking about the politics, but this is certainly a humanitarian crisis. i mean, just -- we started with this sort of palpable pain from that mother who lost her daughter. give us a sense of the reality of the situation there right now at the border. >> reporter: well, i think, you know, she certainly portrays the reality of it. it is a dangerous thing. it is something of desperation, of people bringing their children so far, and we have to remember that these -- this is not the first time we've seen these deaths. there have long been deaths on the rio grande of people trying to cross, but also in the last administration, we saw children who did make it across and died in custody, die of flu, not getting emergency help right away. dying while they were in an o.r.
facility, and you know, this just -- this continues -- we don't want to see this continue to happen, and i think that is what some of the debate is that we're hearing now. geoff? >> yeah, and suzanne, tell us more about the facility where you are in carizzo springs. that is an hhs facility, is that right? that's where the children are headed after they're picked up by border protection. >> reporter: right and when the kids get here, it's probably a step better than when they're at the border waiting to be processed by the border patrol. this is a facility that once was for oil workers here, and they -- so it's considered a nice facility, and of these temporary shelters that exist, so once here it's considered sort of a transit facility, so from here, they'll go elsewhere, wherever the administration makes the decisions to take them. many of these children come with phone numbers of family they already have here, and so that's where the administration would like some of these people to go. certainly the democrats that came here said they wanted to
see the children released soon and moved into their families. because of the trauma that science has shown that children suffer when they are in these kinds of facilities, when they're in detention, when they're in these sort of group places like this. >> yeah, you make a great point. most of the migrant children who come to this country, i know based on my own reporting, they show up with a name of a family member or family friend and so biden administration right now is trying to speed up the process so they're paired with those family members as quickly and safely as possible. suzann gambao, thank you so much. meantime, a gop attempt to raise alarm about the border crisis has led once again to some mockery of texas senator ted cruz. >> so it's past midnight. i'm standing on the shore of the rio grande. the water is right behind me. i'm down on the texas border along with 18 senators. >> now, the very dramatic video
of cruz's firsthand account from the border had a lot of people talking on twitter. beto o'rourke, who nearly beat cruz in that senate race, writing, you're in a border patrol boat armed with machine guns. the only threat you face is unarmed children and families who are seeking asylum. as well as the occasional heckler. now, commentator tom nichols compared it to a bad "tropic thunder" remake and while many others used it to remind people of cruz's vacation getaway to cancun in the midst of that texas power crisis. the "morning joe" crew, meantime, had this take. >> now that we've got him secured, settled and relaxed, quite comfortable, i guess -- >> so it's past midnight. i'm standing on the shore of the rio grande, the water is right behind me. we're at the edge of the river. on the other side of the river is mexico. >> try and keep him as happy as a pig in mud. >> it's a public health crisis. >> it's important that we leave him alone now for a few hours just to let him relax. >> stop sanctioning lawless
chaos on our southern border. >> all right. and coming up at 4:00 p.m. eastern, i'll get reaction from congressman vicente gonzalez to the cruz stunt at the border as well as his take on the biden administration's plans to deal with the influx of migrants there. now, as covid continues to spread throughout europe, germany is making the move to classify its neighbor, france, as a high-risk zone for covid-19. the designation won't completely close the border but it requires those traveling into germany to present a negative covid test and then they've got to quarantine for ten days. now, french officials are already seeing -- already seeking to ease the terms of the policy as the european union's two biggest countries try to confront this latest surge in covid cases. we've got breaking news from egypt where a dredging operation is under way to move that stuck container ship and it's creating a massive traffic jam there in the suez canal.
new video shows the ship still grounded with more than 300 ships stuck at sea. and that's as the u.s. navy says it's prepared to help. nbc's raf sanchez is in cairo, egypt, with the very latest. >> reporter: geoff, five days into this crisis, rescue crews are trying to take advantage of the current high tides to float the "ever given" off the sand bank where it's currently stuck and try to get it moving again in the suez canal. officials say the ship's engine and its rudder appear to be working, which is good news because it means if they can dislodge the ship, in theory, it should be able to sail away on its own power. but those same officials say they're already looking at a pretty desperate fallback option, which is to move cranes, by ship, alongside the "ever given" and start to remove some of the 20,000 containers that it has on board. now, that would reduce the weight of the ship. it might make it a little bit
easier to move, but it is a complicated and dangerous operation, and there is a real risk that if it isn't done properly, it could cause that ship to capsize. egyptian officials say they hope it doesn't come to that. they hope that they can get this done over the weekend during the high tides, but if they are forced to start removing containers, they might actually accept american offers of help to carry out this operation. of course, every hour that goes by, more and more ships are scheduled to head into the suez canal. according to one estimate, $400 million worth of goods are being blocked every hour that this crisis continues, so there is real pressure on egyptian officials to find a way to get this sorted and get the suez canal open. geoff? >> and that ship, we should, is about the size of a new york skyscraper.
nbc's raf sanchez in cairo, thanks for that. still ahead, pressure over pipelines. after killing the keystone pipeline deal on day one in office, there are growing protests for president biden to act on other projects happening on indigenous lands. >> i want president biden to cancel this whole project. i'm looking seven generations ahead.
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day in office. one of the determining factors here in minnesota is also the weather. protesters know that their ranks will only grow as the weather gets warmer. for those protesting line 3 in minnesota -- >> get out of here immediately. >> unlawful assembly and misdemeanor public nuisance. >> reporter: police charges come with the territory. here in the land of 10,000 lakes, we find the new front line between native tribes doubling as climate activists and big energy. so what should happen here? what do you want to have happen? >> oh, hell, you want to know what will happen? i want president biden to cancel this whole project. >> reporter: tonya is one of the leaders of the growing protest camps along the pipeline route. >> i'm looking seven generations ahead. >> reporter: the view from the air is a scar in the wild with construction already under way on over 300-plus miles of pipeline that would carry heavy crude oil from the tar sands of
alberta, canada, down through north dakota, across the 1855 treaty territory in minnesota, over wetlands and under the mighty mississippi before ending just offshore of wisconsin's lake superior. the treaty territory in northern minnesota is the traditional gathering land for wild rice, sustaining life here well before the united states became the united states. they say this project is creating around 5,000 jobs, boosting the local economy, and, according to them, lessening the chance of an ecological disaster. i think smoech of the consternation here is about the pipeline crossing under the mississippi and, you know, look, 30 years ago, there was a massive spill here in minnesota. i think people are sort of worried about that. how do you allay those concerns that people have? >> just this past year, i was given a ring that came from one of those accidents from prior years that's as a reminder that safety is job one for us.
and what's, you know, if they're really concerned about safety, we need this pipeline. this is really, like biden says, build back better, so this is a modernization project to make sure that pipeline is safe. >> reporter: as spring warms the frozen tundra, all sides in this fight know they're at a precipice. this is the spot where the pipeline is going to go under the mississippi river. you can see the river is thawing every day. it's one more reason that activists believe they're in a race against time. what do you want people to know about the pipeline coming across the river? what it could do? >> well, 68 million people rely upon this water that comes from up here in northern minnesota and it goes all the way down to the gulf of mexico. >> reporter: one camp, dubbed sugar bush, is inaccessible by design, buffeted by deep mud and thick forest, you can't see it until you're in it. tara, a tribal attorney, now a leader inside this movement,
uses this camp as a base of operations. with your background, you could be in a courtroom, you could be arguing this in a federal court. you could probably be appealing stuff to the supreme court. you and i both know people who are doing that. why are you choosing to be here instead? >> those processes are just not equipped to deal with the urgent crisis around us. and with everything i saw and learned in washington, d.c., in courtrooms, in the legislative and political processes, what i saw is the incredible importance of the people and the people's voice in change. >> reporter: with that, beltway experience, she provides a necessary line of communication. >> we have met multiple times now with the white house, with the army corps. i just met with them this morning. there's a conversation and a door that's been opened. >> reporter: for now, enbridge waits for the weather and protesters hope the white house will hear their call before the thaw. these protests are very much ongoing.
tara, who you met at the end of that package, spent the night in jail with about two dozen other activists. i want to read from you the statement we received from the biden administration. quote, president biden has proposed transformative investments in infrastructure that will not only create millions of good union jobs but also help tackle the climate crisis. the bind-harris administration will evaluate infrastructure proposals based on our energy needs, their ability to achieve economic wide net zero emissions by 2050 and their ability to create good-paying union jobs. geoff, it's a statement that includes all of the right words but doesn't really say anything. that's sort of where joe biden is here. he's stuck in the middle. he ran saying that he would make climate a priority, but he is friendly with labor and that goes back a long, long way, geoff. >> a super important story, cal, and i'm glad you brought it to us. coming up, it's time for an aapi movement. that's the message from my friend and colleague richard lui
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the study from aapi data and survey monkey found that hate crime experiences are significantly higher among asian-americans than the national average, both in 2020 and so far this year. now, asian-americans are also less likely than nonasian-americans overall to say they are comfortable reporting these hate crimes. the study also found that the quote, unquote perpetual foreigner stereotype is a huge factor in everyday life, reporting asian-americans are nine times more likely than white americans to be asked something along the lines of, where are you originally from? my friend and colleague, richard lui, msnbc anchor, of course, he got that early look for nbc news. he's also the author of the new book out this week called "enough about me: the unexpected power of selflessness." great to see you as always. let's start by talking about this data you were able to get a preview of it. when this full study comes out on tuesday, as i understand, it's going to be one of the most
comprehensive from the covid period into the present day, so what will it say? what are the takeaways? >> you know, the bottom line, geoff, good to see you, is that it's not just certainly asian-american, pacific islanders that are facing hate incidents. in fact, when you look at the african-american groups, the way and the numbers that have been reported during the covid period, they were telling me, the study, the aapi data as well as survey monkey is that you're going to be surprised at the numbers there as well. but what would be surprising is that now the other category, which is typically asian-american pacific islander now says asian-american pacific islander and the paucity of data that's available overall when it comes to hate incidents is even smaller for the asian-american pacific islander group. when it comes to that, where are you from question. >> i want to get into a piece that you wrote for nbc think about the action, not words, that you say the aapi community
needs right now. and you said, we need a march on the mall in may, we need a reinvigorated presidential advisory commission, a smithsonian national museum and we need to push for national landmarks that reflect 200 years of aapi contributions, and yesterday, richard, as you know, there was that bipartisan group of 26 governors that signed that letter condemning anti-asian hate so talk to me about the significance of these steps and the impact that it has. >> hey, geoff, you and i as journalists don't often take off our hats and make strong statements. when we look at what is out in the open, it reminds me of seven years ago when i was standing in ferguson with michael brown and having to see some of the data coming out and the videos after when we were looking at baltimore and new york and eric garner. it is out in the open right now. we have all these videos that are being passed on to aapi journalists because they feel comfortable now. you were bringing up that data a little bit earlier, where they typically do not like to say, hey, i've just been part of a
hate incident or a hate crime. so, now that we have this out in the open, as i'm saying, it's time to potentially, here, have that moment. there's really never been a moment for this community, a smaller one, 1982, with vincent chen when he was killed in beaten with a bat in the street. >> right. yeah. yeah. in the time we have left, i also want to talk about your new book. help us understand how it fits into what's happening today and also the role, your new role, taking care of your dad. tell us about that. >> you know, geoff, i'm saying around the book that we're living in a selfish pandemic. basically, it's all about me. violence is cheap. hate is cheap. we've seen it this week in colorado. we saw it the week before in atlanta. we can't count the number of mass attacks and killings in the time that we've worked together. and that's a problem. we had a racial pandemic as we have experienced within the last year as well. and so, that's why, enough about me approaches it in bite-size ways and an instruction manual
way. it's an anti-self-help book to try to counterbalance what we're seeing in this selfish pandemic and it all started with me having to decide to work less, to take care of my dad and be, well, a little bit more selfless. >> yeah. yeah. how's he doing and how are you doing? because i know that caregiver stress is real. >> i'm so glad you're asking. geoff, he's gained a pound and when you're in year seven or year eight in alzheimer's, when you gain a pound, that's a big deal. >> yeah, absolutely. well, our best to the both of you. nbc's richard lui, thanks for your time and great to see you as always. coming up in our next hour, republicans building a movement on an election lie. georgia state senator jen jordan joins me live with reaction to the new law some are calling the new jim crow. plus, our power panel weighs in on everything from voter suppression to gun control as we break down the week that was. ws (engines roaring) whoo-hoo!
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