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justices, whether that is environmental or housing. so it was very important for us to do what we did. it was right for all people. >> congresswoman joyce beatty, thank you for joining us. a pleasure to be with you. >> thank you so much. enjoyed being here. >> the 11th hour with brian en. that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> and good evening once again, day 63 of the biden administration in less than a week a mass shooting left another community in the country grieving and struggling to confront the reality of a staggering loss. 10 people killed in boulder, colorado yesterday when a gunman police say was armed with a semi automatic long gun and a handgun walked into a grocery store yesterday and hoped fire. the suspect is charged with ten counts of first degree murder.
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his profile is familiar by now, a young man with mental illness and access to lethal weapons. the "washington post" reports he was 1 of 11 siblings in a family that immigrated from syria two decades ago. "new york times" reporting that in high school "fellow students recall him as having a fierce temper that would flare in response to setbacks or sleights." the boulder shooting came six days after eight people were killed in a series of shootings in metro atlanta. we learned the names of the victims in boulder ranging in age from 20 to 65, store employees, a retiree, police officer, the first to respond to the scene. >> denny strong, 20 years old.
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suzanne fountain, 59. terry leicher, 51. kevin mahoney, 61. lynn murray, 62. jody waters, 65. our hearts go out to all of the victims. eric talley, an 11-year veteran of the force and the father of seven children. his youngest is just seven years old. for more on the tragic story out of colorado we are joined tonight by the state's democratic governor. governor, i know that you know the community well. our condolences to the best of your knowledge how are they doing tonight? >> it could be anywhere.
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in this time it was my hometown. i know people who are friends and who lost wonderful members of the community in this. it will be a tough healing process to get through this. >> how do you process the fact that in your big beautiful state of colorado now you have three places, columbine, aurora and now boulder that will sadly for everything else they are known for be with gun violence, and do you feel on the powerless and hamstrung side absent action by the feds? >> you know, there is no way to make sense of this type of evil action. really very much the face of evil. colorado has common sense gun
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safety laws like universal background checks. i think it is important to put these measures in nationally and important to focus making sure that people have the mental health and the behavioral health resources they need. particularly in a time when they might be in need. >> do you regret the fact that colorado is an open carry state for example? >> well, you know i do not know. i would have to find the particulars of this. whether it was hollistered and hidden or hope, i don't think that was the issue. obviously he took out the gun and he killed 10 of our fellow coloradoans. it will be a difficult time and i appreciate the outpouring of love and support that has come in from across the country and across the world. as governor i want to make sure
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that your viewers know how wonderful that is. we feel the love and are grateful for being held closely in your hearts. >> absolutely the case. people feel helpless and pure raw sadness. governor of the great state of colorado. thank you for taking a few minutes to take our questions tonight. at the white house in washington, flags are being flown to honor the victims of this shooting. they had already been lowered for the victims of the atlanta spa shootings. president biden, who has a long history of promoting gun control legislation today urged the u.s. senate to take action. >> united states senate, i hope that some are listening, should immediately pass the two bills to close loopholes in the background check system. these are bills that receive votes of republicans and
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democrats in the house. this shouldn't be a partisan issue. this is an american issue. we should also ban assault weapons in the process. >> while in ohio to promote the relief act, biden sounded less certain about getting lawmakers to move forward with any type of gun legislation. >> do you believe you have the political capital to make changes on gun legislation. >> i don't know. i have not done the counting yet. >> the senate majority leader who recently shepherded passage of the relief act was sounding more confident. >> i have already committed to bringing universal background check legislation to the floor of the senate. this senate will be different. the senate is going to debate and address the epidemic of gun violence in the country. >> there is one problem.
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that would be west virginia democratic senator joe manchin who said he will not support the house passed bills, underscoring the divide among democrats. the mood demonstrated just how tough passing anything would be. the hearing was scheduled well in advance of today's news but the week's mass shootings made for heightened tensions and sharper words. >> thoughts and prayers cannot save the eight victims in atlanta or the ten last night, including a brave police officer. thoughts and prayers can't save the 24,000 people that were killed every year. >> this is predictable as long as congress does not act.
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>> i will lift up in the people that are hurting. the contempt of democrats for prayers is an odd thing. >> these shootings happened at a time where so many are trying to get out of circulation due to an uncontrolled pandemic. we share that with the rest of the world. as tom costello reminds us tonight, the mass murders are uniquely american. >> familiar heartbreak and a gut wrenching irony. the victims in boulder survived a global pandemic, only to die in america's long epidemic of gun violence. only a week ago it was atlanta. before that, there was milwaukee and el paso, dayton, virginia beach, thousand oaks, pittsburgh, santa fe, parkland, las vegas, orlando, new town,
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charleston, virginia tech. since the columbine massacre in 1999 there have been at least 114 mass shootings, 1,300 victims. former president obama wrote we should be able to live our lives without wondering if the next trip outside of our homes could be our last. we should but in america we can't. >> that reporting from earlier today. with that let's bring in the leadoff guest. senior washington correspondent for the "washington post." a white house correspondent for good evening to you all. chief, what do you make of what is known thus far about this gunman? >> it is not a surprising story here. what we are hearing as information comes forward about
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the mental health of the lone gunman, clearly there is a pattern here of people that have mental health issues who are able to obtain guns and use them in a vicious and horrible way and take the lives of people so sadly and unnecessarily. i think that at this time we will hear a lot of discussion as we have heard in previous incidents like this about gun control and about how we need to take action. and we do need to come together and take action. if law enforcement can get behind that. gun safety is officer safety. with the proliferation of gun violence we have seen across the nation, it is time to come together and have discussions about how we are go to move forward without coming outside of our homes to worry about getting killed at the grocery store or the school or the theater. it is time to have these really deep discussions. >> courtney, joe biden has been
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working on gun control legislation for years. a whole lot of people with ds after their names have. where the white house is concerned, where is the confidence level that something, anything will emerge from the u.s. senate and make it to joe biden for a signature? >> well, i think that it comes down to just how much political capital the biden white house wants to put behind the issue, especially in a time where they are getting ready to pitch the second phase of their build back better agenda and a $3 trillion infrastructure package. will they use the same laser focus that they used for covid relief on this infrastructure package or will they be tangled up in another battle. you know, when asked about this earlier today, whether he had the political capital, biden was optimistic. he said that i hope so and he crossed his fingers.
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but this is an issue that biden knows well. he knew it and he dealt with it as a senator and as a vice president and now as a president. he does really understand that, you know, there is no clear path forward, especially in a divided congress. i think it under scores the question of whether it will be the issue to force the president's hand or the democrats to finally decide whether they are going to eliminate the filibust tore get gun reform passed. >> the four of us all know the name fred gutenberg. his 14-year-old daughter, jamie, was killed at parkland and it plunged him into a life of advocacy. he is well known for speaking out. advocacy he is well known for speaking out.
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stop with the bs. nobody is trying to take your weapons if you are a legal, lawful gun owner. a public health epidemic. we ought to be working together on how we reduce the gun violence and how to stop the instances of gun violence and decrease the severity of the injuries when they happen. if they don't want to join in the effort, we move forward without them. >> phil, i hate to ask this in a negative cast but will it be true again. staggering stories of personal loss are still not going to move the ball on the issue. >> only time can tell but we have been having the discussion for a better part of a decade. the stories from connecticut were as heartbreaking as they could possibly get and that did not move the needle in congress.
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the failure to act on gun control is one of the most enduring pieces of unfinished business from the obama years. biden knows it well. this is a part of his portfolio promoting gun control. we will see if he has the muscle behind it in the weeks to come. i don't know what the math will be for the senators. i remember in 2014 i spent a week on the road with gabby gifford as they were going to those democratic senators opposed background checks back in the obama years.
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i am not sure it will be different this time around. >> chief, during the coverage last night i made the point for a largely civilian audience that police officers are a tight bunch. i think that if anything, the attention and the negative focus that some cases of very bad policing have brought to the business of policing has made those still in it even tighter. the trade is the job. they are always talking about time on the job. it is the only job they know. so, tell me what happens when a department suffers a loss and what is the leadership challenge now for this chief in boulder? these line of duty deaths are incredibly stressful, heartbreaking in many ways. it brings to the face and to the
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front for officers that they are all very vulnerable. many people have talked to, chatted with and hung out with the officer on many occasions and now he is gone and they recognize it but for fate that easily could have been them and that recognition is always difficult and sad when an officer pays the ultimate sacrifice in the name of public safety. a lot of services and memorials and things will occur. that won't change the fact that we will not have the officer back. it will be up to the chief and others to support others as they grapple with the needless death of the officer and the other people dying needlessly as well and have the deep discussions about how they move forward as an organization and how we might make a difference in the future so that less officers succumb to
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this type of senseless and needless violence. >> courtney, i don't know how to ask this but to say that so many people watching tonight, and not just this broadcast but the day-long coverage of the tragedy. they want to have some reason for hope in the future. if you headed down to the hill in the morning to target certain members or offices to write a story about any hints for compromise, where would you go and which doors would you knock on? >> that is a very good question. someone that experienced interest in gun reform.
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he has a version of his bill that he sponsored with joe manchin. he is someone that you could definitely target. the issue here is the republican obstructionism, you know, that democrats are arguing is getting in the way. and i do think that, you know, it is going to be an issue on gun reform that has been a long running debate. this is not a new issue. this is something both parties have bickered over for, you know, many administrations. it is just going to be an uphill battle for the biden white house and democrats, despite their optimism about, you know, what the landscape looks like now. it is quite divided. i do think that will be tricky moving forward. >> and phil, to your beat we have a pandemic. we have an economic collapse.
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the basis of a recovery. we have a fight over voting rights that is going on across the country. and in to the hopper is thrown two issues. a crisis no matter what they call it at the southern border, and of course two mass shootings in a week's time. the president has been in office all of 63 days. it is a lot to manage for the chief of staff and for the west wing, is it not? >> brian, it certainly is a lot to manage. joe biden ran for president as the kind of candidate that could come in with the decades of experience in public service to navigate through the crisis. at the time we thought the crisis was only going to be the pandemic and the economy and the racial unrest in the country. now you are right. we have an immigration crisis and a gun safety crisis, and there could be more to come. but president biden is showing that, you know, out on the road
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the last few days doing a bunch of events here in washington as well, trying to show that he can juggle all of the crises at once. the real question is what does he push forward legislatively with the congress in the next few weeks. there has been a lot of momentum around an infrastructure package and a huge spending bill. will it end up going on hold in order to address gun control in the coming days? we will have to see. but there is reason for the chief of staff and administration to be up late at night figuring out how to manage all of this. >> indeed there is. just as we are indebted for our three returning guests tonight for taking our questions. much obliged. thank you all very much. coming up for us, a survivor of parkland. a young man we got to know back then is standing by ready to
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talk about what it must be like in boulder. he knows all too well. all survivors know, but the mass shootings keep on coming. former senator al frank enjoins us to take on the painful question. will anything be done about this or is this just the american way? t this or is this just the american way? the team that built 5g right. the only one from america's most reliable network. we designed our 5g to make the things you do every day, better. with 5g nationwide, millions of people can now work, listen, and stream in verizon 5g quality. and in parts of many cities where people can use massive capacity, we have ultra wideband. the fastest 5g in the world. this is the 5g that's built for you. this is 5g built right. only from verizon.
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get started today. >> it has been over three years since the shooting in parkland, florida. 17 people died that day. it has joined the list of mass shootings that hasn't stopped. now of course boulder has been added to that increasing list after atlanta a few days before. our next guest tonight survived the parkland shooting and days later he had this to say to the former president at the white house. >> i was reading today that a
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person, 20 years old walked into a store and bought an ar 15 and five minutes with an expired i.d. how is it that easy to buy this type of weapon? how are we not stopping this after colubine and sandy hook. i am sitting with a mother that lost her son. it is still happening. >> with us again tonight is a college student now. when we first met sam he was in his final year in high school. his close friend, joaquin, one of those killed in that shooting. i think about you often and one of our producers said in the break wait until you see sam, he is all grown up, and indeed you are. i am glad to see it. that day you met with donald trump. he famously had a card in his hand with a handwritten note from one of his aides, i hear
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you. there was no evidence that he heard what you were saying. you never have received satisfaction or a satisfactory answer, have you, for the question you just asked. >> no. definitely not. definitely not. no. that was a complete publicity stunt for him. he just wanted to be there first and hear from the victims. there was really no -- he had no intention of moving anywhere with gun control after that or before that. >> you know what the day was like in boulder. this is the day that the flowers start arriving. this is the night that the casseroles start arriving at the front door. what could you possibly tell the folks there, maybe even help the folks there about the road that
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is ahead of them? >> honestly, there is nothing really that can make it better. it is the worst feeling in the world. it is something that you have to live with for your beloved victims that fell in your city and in your town. and it never really gets -- it never really gets easier to live with. you just get stronger. you learn how to carry it. yeah. i am sending all of my strength. >> you have clearly learned how to carry it. you are in college now. tell us about your recovery, the ongoing process of recovery from that day and how your life is going now.
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>> life is well for the most part. i am lucky, i am happy. my family is healthy. like i said, you know, it is just something that i have kind of had to live with and, you know, just live the best life that i can for the people that can't anymore for my friends and teachers and classmates. you know, yeah. three years like you said. three years ago. still happening. terrible. >> let me end with asking you for a prediction. do you think that any major change will come to this business of guns and their availability and their lethality in your adult lifetime? >> i mean it is really all in the hands of the policy makers. i understand that, you know, president trump had no -- former president trump had no
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intentions of ridding our country of the violence, you know. he had his pockets being filled. hopefully that biden will be different. he says he is working towards it but it is getting worse and worse. we thought 2018 was such a bad year. 2019. there is 300 shootings. 2020. the entire country is on lockdown. i understand you just came in to office and there is a global pandemic. but this is an american issue. this is money driven. when? will it be in my lifetime? i hope so. currently i am planning on raising my kids somewhere else. it is a terrible feeling to feel. i do love my country. i do love everything about it.
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it is great we have freedom. people think we are trying to take away their guns. we are not. we are trying to make sure that only the right people have access to that type of power and way too many people have that kaepsz right now. i don't know. it is -- it is our own pandemic. it is an american pandemic that kills people every year. i forgot who was on the show just now. i don't remember. he seemed to have worked in the white house and said this is an emerging crisis. no it is not. this is not an emerging crisis. i sat next to a mother who lost her son years ago. six year olds. they didn't care when six-year-olds died why would they care when my 17-year-old friend died. i don't know. i don't know what it will take. i don't know what it will take.
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it will take our president to step up and get behind this and really devote his energy to it like it deserves. our country is dying in a lot of ways. >> sam, it is good to see you. i hate the circumstances. i am going to think about the words that you used for a long time. you continue to take care of yourself. and thank you very much for agreeing to talk to us tonight and for coming back on. our friend, a survivor of the parkland shooting. coming up, the bloodshed in boulder does not seem to have changed many minds in congress as sam and i were discussing. republicans wasted no time going to their go-to, insisting democrats are coming for your guns. we will talk about all of it and what we heard from sam with senator al franken after this. d senator al franken after this.
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>> every time there is a shooting we play this ridiculous theater. where this committee gets together and proposes a bunch of laws that would do nothing to stop these murders. what happens in the committee after every mass shooting democrats propose taking away guns from law-abiding citizens because that is their political objective. what they propose, not only does it not reduce crime, it makes it worse. >> the president has called for new gun control measures are
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hitting expected and predictable resistance from people like ted cruz from the g.o.p. all too predictable cycle and one our next guest is well acquainted with. al franken who has the good fortune to host a podcast bearing his name. i am duty bound to repeat the phrase a democratic senator told me there are two types of people in the u.s. senate, people that hate ted cruz and ted cruz. your reaction to ted cruz, especially in light from our friend sam in florida. >> he said every time there is a mass shooting or shooting that we had one of these -- first of all, the hearing was called well before this and atlanta. i was in the senate in 2017 and
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i do not recall having 346 of the hearings. that is how many mass shootings that we had in that year in the united states. he did say that we had called the hearing when this happened. you know, after cancun when his first instinct was to say that i had just brought my kids there and i was going to fly right back that day. i mean, after that he should really think about maybe not lying quite so much. you don't want to get a reputation. maybe that is why your categories of who likes ted cruz was so accurate. >> is it fair that in effect joe manchin of west virginia gets
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veto power over gun legislation in the chamber absent any change to the filibuster? >> well, even if there is not any change in the filibuster, joe will have a lot to say. now it is just the make up of the senate. he is the most conservative member of the body. i like joe. he is a friend of mine. you know, in 2013 they had a bill that was a background check bill. i think there is hopefully hope for that. i was shocked when that did not happen. that was after sandy hook. that is why on a day like this it is so devastating. even with a day like this and with a day like in atlanta.
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you can't be optimistic about getting meaningful gun legislation. the things that are you hearing now out of mcconnell who was talking about this is about mental health. if he cared about mental health he shouldn't have tried to kill the aca. that was about giving people coverage from mental health. you know, democrats are trying to take your guns away. democrats are not trying to take your guns away. they are trying to make people a little bit safer. yes. some of us wanted to get assault weapons off of the streets. some of us wanted to have background checks when guns are
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sold everywhere, in every setting. that is not taking your guns away. that is not taking your guns away. >> it instills more fear in the base. al franken here on this terrible occasion, thank you for having us in and thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> appreciate it. >> coming up for us, what is all of the fuss about this astrazeneca vaccine? at a time by the way when most of the news on the vaccine front is uniformly good to great. one of our leading doctors is standing by to explain it all to us right after this. it all to us right after this.
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>> as of tonight the u.s. recorded over 30 million coronavirus cases.
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how is that for a benchmark. while our country races to get more shots in arms, astrazeneca's vaccine is facing another set back. the company is now updatings it efficacy data after an independent panel in the u.s. accused it of using outdated and potentially misleading information froms it trial. let's talk about it. the founding director of columbia's national center for disaster preparedness who advises us on public health. doctor, what should we know about the vaccine? it has been an inauspicious early history of this. i will quickly add that in this conversation, while we get a microphone on you, that every downfall astrazeneca and their p.r. department suffers is getting amplified by the russians. it is in the russian interest to diminish the effectiveness of
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this vaccine. won't the final product keep people out of the hospital and keep people from dying? >> it sure would, brian. this is a sad and extraordinary story. with reverence to the communication team, they might want to get people that know what they are doing. the fact that the russians are exacerbating every misstep with everything to do with covid control and vaccines is making the situation worse. there have been a number of missteps since astrazeneca announced they had a two-dose vaccine, starting with the extraordinary announcement they were getting less effective results from the second dose, from a second dose than the first alone. and there was miscommunications about early data and efficacy of the vaccine. and then we had a report
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recently that the vaccine might have been associated with blood clots turning out to be probably not true. and now this person jumping to reports of the new data. this has been a concern. the problem here is not just astrazeneca. astrazeneca is probably a good company that has lousy communications. but this is a problem in terms of under mining the people's confidence in getting vaccinated from any vaccine. that is the last thing. we need everybody feeling confident and feeling certain about what the vaccine is able to do, which is to save lives. any misstep can under mine that ability to be confident that the vaccines are the way to go, which they are, brian. >> i needed to get your analysis of something that we read in
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axios and i will read it to you. 52% of unvaccinated americans reported seeing friends and relatives outside the home, i.e. socially in the past week compared to just 41% of those who had been vaccinated. doctor, other than the fact that any percentage of unvaccinated americans horrifies you, is the takeaway here that the unvaccinated population is more emboldened and the vaccinated population, by nature and definition is more cautious? call it what you want. i call it recklessness. recklessness is the enemy of pandemic control whether it is by unvaccinated people by governors of states like texas. whether it is college students
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partying it up like it was 1999 in florida for spring break. all of these things threaten the possible good news of a leveling out and of a dropping in the incidents and the prevalence of the disease, the deaths, the hospitalizations. we have got to hang in there. this recklessness are potential delays if not serious setbacks where we all want to go in getting back to normal, brian. >> doctor, our thanks once again tonight for taking our questions and prince, please know you live on on this broadcast. coming up, we will show you what it looks like every day on our southern border now via our eye in the sky. southern border now via our eye in the sky on you. for a convenient life hack. try febreze unstopables fabric refresher. with 2 times the scent power of regular febreze, unstopables fabric finds, neutralizes
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migrant families,
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unaccompanied minors continue to surge across the southern border despite warnings from the u.s. not to come. don't attempt the trip. we are getting an inside look at patrols along the southern border as the government releases new images of crowded border facilities. gabe gutierrez has our report tonight from mission, texas. >> the newly released images at border facilities depict crowded but orderly conditions, migrant children in masks having temperatures taken and others exercising outside. small children on laps waiting to be processed. others sleeping on mats with mylar blankets. makeshift play pens in a place that is so far from home. the images were released a day after a democratic texas congressman leaked photos. some say it is not their fault.
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>> border patrol agents and not day care. that is not what we are designed for. >> reporter: we rode along with the texas department of public safety who helps patrol the border by air. this is the epicenter of a migrant surge here in the rio grande valley. the texas dps says it encounters nearly 9,000 migrants in the last two weeks. >> reporter: it took just a few minutes to see migrant after migrant crossing. >> here is another one. 31 right here. >> 31 in that group alone. >> reporter: some of them young children. >> three children and the rest are adults. >> all day long. you can see the coyotes are turning to the mexican side right now. we have seen more than 60 migrants crossing the border? >> that is correct. there are 12 there. >> eight or nine minutes time. >> reporter: they are on the look out for smuggler by boat.
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the battle on the border fought on multiple fronts. here local and state authorities say that they are having to fill the gaps as the border patrol diverts resources to handle the migrant surge. brian. >> gabe, thanks. our correspondent reporting from the texas border tonight. coming up, more evidence that words have consequences as a big mouthpiece for the big lie now admits it was a big lie. admits it was a big lie.
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the only one from america's most reliable network. we designed our 5g to make the things you do every day, better. with 5g nationwide, millions of people can now work, listen, and stream in verizon 5g quality. and in parts of many cities where people can use massive capacity, we have ultra wideband. the fastest 5g in the world. this is the 5g that's built for you. this is 5g built right. only from verizon. >> last thing before we go tonight. sydney powell, attorney at law is being sued for defamation by the folks running dominion voting. she always has been seen as a right wing lawyer, mike flynn's lawyer after all. her lawyer is that she never met a conspiracy theory she didn't
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like. she pushed the big lie and millions believed her. there was nothing too outlandish for her. nothing she would not say. no theory too wild. no name too big to drop. perhaps her most remarkable and unhinged performance was the day of the brown drip, the day remembered forever as the day rudy's hair dye formed the facial rifflets as his colleagues looked on in horror. >> what we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through venezuela, cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections. the dominion voting systems were created in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez. there are ties of the dominion leadership to the clinton
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foundation. mr. soros number two person in the uk. a kid with a cell phone can hack one of the voting machines. that is when they came in the backdoor with all of the mail-in ballots, many of which they actually fabricated. president trump won by a landslide. we are go to prove it. >> yeah, no he didn't. and remember something here, she was on the president's legal team. she was welcomed into the oval office. she is now saying she kind of realized the big lie was a big lie and she kind of expected everyone to know that she was just kidding. in court papers filed to defend herself against dominion, her lawyers say this. reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts. so of course it was a big lie. the problem is that millions of people believed her. the true believers sacked our
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capitol, tried to overturn our election and five people died. because if you toss around names like soros and clinton and a dead president of venezuela often enough, you'll find, as we always say around here, that words have consequences as sydney powell is about to find out. find out. that is our broadcast for this tuesday night with our thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. tonight on "all in" the president calls for an assault weapons ban. >> this is not and should not be a partisan issue. this is an american issue. >> tonight why the nra was cheering the day before. >> then the bumper crop

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