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right now, frank, jim, doctor, i have to wrap it up. to be continued. that's a promise. that does it for "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online. have a great weekend. wear your mask. chuck todd is here with mtp daily right now. ♪♪ if it's friday, the president and vice president head to atlanta to mourn the members of the asian american community. investigators say nothing is off the table in their search for answers and the motive, including classifying them as a hate crime. the cdc makes a major revision for its guidance for schools. president biden hits a milestone. a surge in cases across europe and an uptick in infections in the united states continue to put public health officials on edge. the homeland security
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secretary is leading a bipartisan trip to the border today amid new information obtained by nbc news the humanitarian emergency at the border is only escalating. ♪♪ welcome to friday. it's meet the press daily. i'm chuck todd. president biden left the white house a short time ago. he spoke to reporters about china, russia and vaccines. he is about to land in atlanta where he will visit with asian community leaders today amid the fallout over the atlanta spa shootings. his first stop is cdc headquarters coming as the administration announced a loosening of guidance for schools due to promising data about transmission rates in the classroom. in new published guidelines, the cdc calls for three feet of social distancing in schools as long as masks are worn and
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community transmission in general is not high. this could pave the way for more kids back in the classroom. obviously, three feet cuts the amount of space you need to find to see how big of a classroom you need. the white house covid response team is holding a briefing where it is discussing all of this guidance. they have to address concerning news about an uptick in cases in parts of the country. that comes as the biden administration is marking 100 million vaccine doses administered since he took the oath of office. they have achieved a major goal early. some public health experts are warning that it's not clear who is winning this race against time and the variants. the vaccines or the spread of those contagious variants. those variants are part of what sent europe into another spiral and restrictions and lockdowns. the administration experts to have a surplus of doses in the united states. it appears to have allowed it to
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engineer vaccine diplomacy by brokering agreements with mexico as we need something from them. they get badly needed vaccines and we get badly needed assistance to address the humanitarian issue at the border. dhs announced secretary mayorkas is traveling to the border today with a bipartisan delegation of senators to assess the situation. specifically as it relates to unaccompanied migrant children. this comes as nbc news obtained data showing that more than 500 migrant children had been in custody for more than ten days, past the three-day legal limit. many facilities which are not built to house children have far surpassed their capacity. monica alba is outside the white house. julia ainsley is with us. and the dean of brown university school of public health.
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i want to start with julia and the issue of immigration, the border and this refugee crisis with the unaccompanied minors. mayorkas is on the border today. that's obviously a little bit of public relations. what are they saying to you about this growing problem of essentially holding these unaccompanied minors much longer than the legal limit? >> reporter: well, there's a little bit of finger pointing and there's a lot of scrambling right now. we have dhs needing another agency, health and human services, to get as many beds open as they can to hold the children so they can get out of the border processing facilities. as we reported overnight, there are more than 500 children who have been there in the border processing facilities over ten days. just to recap the conditions there, the reason why there's a three-day legal limit is because often they don't have beds. they sleep on the floor, on mats, given an aluminum blanket.
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sometimes they barely get outside. lights are kept on 24 hours a day. we know they are overcrowded. we know the donna, texas, facility built to take some of the capacity down to try to increase capacity now has 3,300 immigrants in there as of a snapshot on thursday. that was only built for 250 people, chuck. now they need hhs to put as many more bes online to get the children out of the conditions. it's harder and harder because they need licensing requirements to open what used to be state licensed facilities that are permanent structures. when they try to get temporary facilities, that takes time. fema is their best tool. we were able to see fema start two new facilities, including one in dallas that could take in 3,000 teenage migrant boys. >> julia, i want to ask about the don't call it a quid pro quo
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perhaps quid pro quo with mexico and the vaccine doses and what mexico is doing that they say is unrelated to the decision by the united states to send the vaccines, but coincidentally, they have tightened their borders and have agreed to do what exactly, julia? >> reporter: we understand from reporting that there has been conversations between the biden administration and mexico with the president there to talk about ways they can enforce the border. this was the same strategy we saw under obama. moving the american border further out, further south, to try to get more interdiction of migrants before they pass through mexico. what they are not doing is they are not taking back a lot of the immigrants that the biden administration is turning back. we reported just yesterday that there are a number of families that under policy are supposed to be expelled back into mexico, given the covid-19 protocols in place in the u.s.
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mexico says they don't have the capacity, especially in the rio grande valley, the epicenter of the overcrowding. they are not taking them back. they are coming into the united states. there's more that the biden administration needs from mexico right now than just interdiction of those immigrants further south. they need them to increase capacity and be able to take care of a lot of the migrants that are making it here but the u.s. is turning away. >> monica, a week ago the administration was saying those astrazeneca doses, they are not going anywhere. hang on. the white house is saying it is not connected. boy, this certainly looks like it was connected. what are you learning from the white house? >> reporter: they are standing by that defense. the white house is saying that the conversations had actually been ongoing behind the scenes for weeks. the mexican president said he had been talking and making this request over the last two months
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essentially since the biden administration was sworn into office. absolutely, you have to note the timing of this. the president has been asked repeatedly, when will you send surplus vaccines to other countries? he was pressed on this last week when he was meeting with the quad countries about what they were able to do. he said the priority is to get americans vaccinated. that's the line here. they want to make sure people understand that even if they are able to give these millions of doses to mexico and to canada, by the way, that's another part of the explanation here, that it's not just about what's going on on the border, but they are now so encouraged they say about the amount of vaccines, and this deadline that by the end of may, they believe there should be enough and then there will be some left over to send to the north american partners and then even other countries. the other factor at play is astrazeneca isn't approved for use in the united states. that's another reason they said
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they are happy to send it elsewhere, where it can actually be applied for more global vaccination progress. >> the issue of hitting the covid deadline, obviously, this was going to be a bit more -- perhaps a different visit to atlanta than what it turned into. is there going to be a new -- we heard -- he talked to reporters on the south lawn. we have made 100 million doses. what is the next achievable goal? what do they believe they have to hit? >> reporter: the president did tease this. he didn't give the whole deadline away yet. he said he is going to announce that next week. it's unclear whether it's about a new goal for the next 100 days or something they want to be able to do in the next 40 days before the 100 day marker. he seemed to indicate that they think they might be able to double the 100 million in that 100 day time frame. maybe six weeks from now you see
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them get to 200 million shots. it's not clear. that's why you see all this new guidance on the schools today, because that's another major promise the biden white house made in terms of reopening them. they are hoping with the new guidance, that's one way to make that possible. >> i want to quickly ask you, any official comment from the white house or from the gaggle, we saw the president tripped on his way up air force one. not one of those deals -- we know others might be having a lot of fun with it at this point. everything okay with him? >> reporter: it's a human moment that happened to a human who happens to be, of course, the president of the united states. a lot of attention on everything that he does. the white house says he is fine. they declined to answer whether he was inspected by any kind of doctor aboard air force one after he did take that tumble, which lasted multiple seconds. it was quite a fall going up the
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stairs. they said it was very, very windy at joint base andrews. that may have contributed to it. he is doing completely fine according to the white house spokeswoman on the plane. >> we have all run up stairs and had that moment ourselves. if you haven't, you are not a human being. that's for sure. monica alba, thank you. where are we at and what is your level of concern? i ask you this because there's -- on a scale to michael osterholm -- we know his concerns about the variant. he thinks that -- he looks at europe and he is worried we are about to have a carbon copy. where are you on the scale of concern? >> i'm concerned -- we're not going to have another europe on our hands. we're not going to have a major fourth surge. what we are looking towards and what looks like is going happen is a significant bump in cases
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in states. that means more infections, more hospitalizations, more deaths. the reason i'm confident we will avoid what's happening in europe is twofold. one is, we vaccinated a lot more people. second, we vaccinated a lot of our highest risk people, older folks. i don't see us getting crushed in the same way. none of this means i'm not worried at all. i do think we will see more infections and deaths. we have to do our part right now. this is not the moment to let go of our public health measures. keep them in place until all high risk people are vaccinated. that's another four weeks, six at the moment, but probably four weeks. high risk folks will be vaccinated. that's when we can relax some of our public health measures. >> you say that. but we have. basically, we have blown past that guidance at this point. in some ways, it's too late for that guidance to kick in.
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>> no. i will tell you two things. there are some states that have not. there are states holding on which is great. they should keep holding on. second, states that have can reverse. they can pull back a little bit. again, no one is saying keep things shut down for months. we are saying, until the end of april is probably when most or all high risk people who want a vaccine will have gotten one. we have to hold tight. i do think states can do this. a lot of states will. i'm worried enough states won't, that will be a problem for people living there. >> fast forward to the fall. i'm curious, what kind of risk are we at with europe so far behind in vaccinations and, sadly, i think there's fears that vaccine hesitancy will be another factor there, but they have problems. we have the issue in brazil. how not out of the woods will we
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look in the fall? >> it's a fabulous question. on one hand, i think the u.s. is going to be in very good shape in the fall. we will have lots of people vaccinated. i'm hoping that we don't have substantial problems with hesitancy and that most people, most americans will be vaccinated. i suspect older kids will be vaccinated by the fall. the question will be, what is happening in the rest of the world? it's a global pandemic. what's happening with new variants that are arising potentially because there are large outbreaks elsewhere. how well are we doing on global vaccination? as we get americans vaccinated -- i think by april, may, we will have the majority of americans who want a vaccine vaccinated. we have to shift our attention towards global vaccination. it's the right thing to do. it's good for american leadership. it's also going to help protect americans. i think our fall depends a lot on what's happening in the rest of the world. >> at this point, when you look
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at our speed of vaccinations, is the only thing -- at this point, what's preventing us from 5 million shots a day? the physical people available to put the shots in arms? >> no. i don't think distribution is our biggest holdup. maybe in a few places. it's largely vaccine supply. the supply continues to get better. we are producing more and more vaccine doses and getting them out. right now, that's still the barrier. that's going to switch in april. in april at some point, we will have plenty of vaccines. i think we will have plenty of vaccinators. we won't have plenty of arms, because there will be people who are still hesitant at some point in april, maybe early may, we will have the opposite problem of where we are right now. one of the things we have to do right now is we have to work on vaccine hesitancy now, not wait until may. figure out what's holding people back, start addressing those issues. we want to make sure a large
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chunk of americans get vaccinated. >> there's one good trend line we saw in mississippi where after two months of vaccinations, hesitancy has gone down and interest in the vaccine has gone up because people see their friends and family and neighbors getting the vaccines and not having problems. if that's the canary in the coal mine, maybe we will get in better shape. good to have your expertise. thank you. still ahead, we are learning more about the victims in the atlanta spa shooting. the latest on the investigation. we will talk to an arizona democrat about whether they are doing enough to handle the crisis at the border. and a look at life after lockdown. ♪ hey now, you're an all-star, get your game on, go play ♪
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welcome back. as we mentioned, new data obtained by nbc news shows a growing humanitarian situation at the southern border. as of thursday, more than 500 migrant children had been in border patrol custody for more than ten days. that's well past the three-day legal limit. there are 4,500 children in custody along the southern border. it's a number that continues to increase and it increased by more than 200 since sunday. joining me is arizona congressman guyaga. was this inevitable because of the presidential election, covid, that we would hit this situation? were we caught flat footed? >> it's a lot of things. we have to remember there was
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pent-up demand prior to this. you have flows that happen this time of year. this happened under obama, under trump and now under biden. you are correct, covid has created a bigger problem. we have to be responsible stewards for those unaccompanied minors. we have to test them to make sure they don't have covid. in the areas we are placing them, it's 25% capacity. that's why we have a situation where we have a backlog of minors that are staying in detention instead of being placed into foster homes or with parents. we are being responsible in sending back non-unaccompanied adults, for them to apply for their refugee status. it's a combination of a lot of things. now this administration is doing better than they were a couple weeks ago. it's very difficult.
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>> they have struggled with the message of don't come. we heard don't come right now. don't come. what is the best way to create deterrence? if our policy is, every unaccompanied minor essentially is going to get placed temporarily in the united states, that ends up not creating a deterrent. >> it's very difficult, because we have a moral problem here. are we going to turn away children when they get to the border? we're not going to send them back into mexico where they will get picked up in child traffic. what we are doing right now is probably the most aggressive thing we can do. we are buying tv, radio. it's not just biden saying don't come and members of congress. we are actively saying that in central america in all ways possible. at the same time, what we need do is show the amount of people we are sending back. we hear about arrests.
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they mean we arrest them and deporting them. that's the message we have to be sending. if you are an adult, you are not going to have access to the united states. you will be stopped at the border and returned until you can legally file your claim in a proper manner. >> i want to ask you about immigration politics. the two bills that passed yesterday in the house, i think in a different political climate don't have a problem getting through the senate. now you are hearing, for instant lindsey graham, who in theory was supportive of the policies in the past, and essentially is blaming the current situation as a reason. none of these have anything to do with that. >> correct. >> his reasoning is essentially, well, it would send the message that -- it would send the message that more people should come. what do you say to that criticism where republicans don't want to work with you right now? >> because this has been always
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the story of republicans, once back in the day when lindsey was in a saner state of mind, we had problems with the republicans in the house that didn't want to move legislation. the time for immigration reform is always now. what's happening at the border has nothing to do with the dream act. if you are a young person, if you are a child that gets refugee status, you are not eligible for the dream act, nor eligible for a green card or anything of that nature. the fact that people like lindsey graham are mixing them together, they are doing it for their own personal reasons but also to confuse it and use it as a wedge issue. republican voters are in support of this. what we need is leadership from republicans and to follow through in the past where they said they are pro. this is a compromised bill in terms of what we want. it's not the 11 million families
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we want to legalize. these are young men and women, now older in their 30s, they lived here forever, that don't know any other world except for the united states. >> i'm curious, i know -- i want to change subjects quick before you have to go. the issue of voting rights. new voting restrictions being brought up in your home state of arizona. i know where you are on h.r. 1. you served in the house. >> in the statehouse. she's been my boss. she's great. >> have you been lobbying her about the filibuster? what's her argument against lifting it? >> i have not been lobbying her. i think it's unfair to corner just her on this. there's more than a handful of senators that are in the same position. i have known her forever. i think at the end of the day, she's going to figure out a way to make sure that we get the
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voting rights act passed and we have protections in arizona. let's be clear, the reason we have a problem is because there is an effort to disenfranchise voters in arizona, once we started turning democratic. we never had a problem with early voting. we have been voting early by mail for 30 years in a bipartisan manner. now that democrats are winning, brown people are voting, all of a sudden republicans have a problem with vote by mail. it's ridiculous. it's modern day jim crow laws dressed in suits. >> appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. thank you. coming up, new developments in the george floyd murder trial as jury selection nears the end and the judge rules on that call for a change of venue. stay with us. ♪ you come and go ♪
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welcome back. there will be no delay or change of location in the trial of derek chauvin, the former police officer charged in the death of george floyd after kneeling on his neck for about nine minutes. the judge ruled against the motion for a continuance and a change of venue. putting the case on track for opening statements to begin on march 29. there's a good chance today that it will be the final day of jury collection.
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they need one more juror after 13 have been seated. paul butler joins me now. you and i were on the air together when the settlement happened. the first question i asked you was, the city doing this, there's going to be this feeling of implied guilt, as in something went wrong. you immediately said, this will be something the defense raises. they went for a change of venue. are you surprised they -- or not surprised by the judge's ruling? >> i'm not surprised, chuck. the attorney who represents the floyd family said he wanted a civil settlement that would get attention, to send a message about the consequences of police misconduct. $27 million got a lot of attention. now that's a problem for the criminal case against chauvin. the judge said no part of minnesota has not been subject to publicity about this case. he really could have said that
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about the country or even the world. everyone knows about this case. a lot of people know about the $27 million. as usual, the question for perspective jurors isn't, have you heard about this, but rather, can you set aside what you have heard and just render a verdict in this criminal case based on the evidence that you hear in this courtroom? >> paul, you brought up a good point. had you been on the other side, is there anywhere in the country that you could have taken this trial and said would you have -- you would have gotten a more -- what you want to call it. an open-minded jury, sequestered. i don't know how you would describe it. you would have had to go to guam. >> sometimes people talk about a
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criminal justice system. it's a bunch of systems and they don't talk to each other. the prosecutor and judge would have preferred this civil settlement happen another time after the trial. that's not under the purview of the criminal court. it's a decision that the city made. there's some speculation the city appreciates this timing because in the event that there's not a conviction of chauvin, they can at least point to this money that the floyd family gets as some kind of compensation for its loss. >> let's talk about the jury that has been selected, the first 12, seven are white, majority are women. they only one in their 60s. everybody else 20, 30, 40 or 50. a couple things. what's your -- anything that glean from the makeup in your opinion? and what do you make of the fact
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that jury selection seemed to speed up after the settlement? >> it got more efficient. it's a jury that reflects the diversity of minneapolis and the judge has taken pains to ensure that it can be impartial so that mr. chauvin has a fair trial. as you know, i had concerns about some of the questions that were being asked, especially of african-american jurors about their perceptions of racism in the criminal legal process. the judge has allowed jurors who have concerns about whether the police treat black folks and brown folks in minneapolis fairly. he says that if that's their life experience, that should not disqualify them from being in the jury. the defense has had to use some of its strikes to get rid of some of those jurors who they think the defense thinks would be biased against the police. >> i assume at this point -- it's interesting, during jury
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selection -- you could start to see the outlines of what the defense is going to look like. what have you learned from jury selection about how they're going to try to defend themselves here? >> the defense is going to be to put george floyd on trial, to make it sound like he is responsible for his own death. another important development today is that the judge is going to allow evidence from a previous arrest of mr. floyd where he allegedly swallowed drugs in order to prevent the police from finding them. the judge says that since that's part of what the defense is alleging in this case, that evidence is admissible because it shows basically george floyd's m.o.
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it's a typical strategy. in this jury with four african-americans, two multi-racial people, i don't know if that's going to fly. none of that excuses what chauvin is accused of doing which as the world knows is putting his knee on mr. floyd's neck for more than eight minutes. >> you think it's a riskier defense. is there another they might try? >> they try to tarnish the victim. they will make it sound like not only did he take the drugs but he resisted arrest. when he refused to go into the police car, what mr. chauvin did was a reasonable response. it was appropriate use of force. i think those will be the two defenses. again, we have a jury that looks like the community of minneapolis. i think that at this point, mr. chauvin will have a fair trial.
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the city of minneapolis can feel that it's adequately represented in this process of bringing an officer to justice. >> look, those last words are probably the words a lot of us want to hear, words we want to be comforted by, that everybody views this as a fair process. paul butler, msnbc legal analyst at georgetown. good to have your perspective. thank you. up next, the president and vice president are now in atlanta where they will mourn the loss of lives and the shootings earlier this week. we learn more about the victims. we will have the latest on the investigation on the ground there. a look at the growing covid vaccination opportunities across the country. i'm a verizon engineer. we built our 5g nationwide so millions of people
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welcome back. hours ago we learned the names of four of the women killed during the shootings at atlanta area spas. releasing their names, the medical examiner ruled all four deaths were homicides. all eight have been identified. six of them are women of asian descent. president biden and vice president harris will meet with asian american leaders in atlanta. for more on the investigation and the victims and what we are learning about them, i want to bring many my colleague, kathy park in atlanta. kathy, we are learning more about who some of the people that were targeted by this man, what are we learning about the victims today? >> reporter: chuck, i can tell you that this community here is in a whole lot of pain. i mean, i have had a lot of conversations with folks on the
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ground. people are in tears. they are outraged. there are so many emotions right now. in fact, just a few moments ago i spoke with randy park. he is the son of one of the victims. i have to say he is so poised in the wake of this tragedy. to show you how small this community is, especially the korean american community, he is the night manager at the bakery behind me. i spoke with the manager who told me in korean, i'm heartbroken, i'm in so much pain. that's a sentiment that's being echoed in the korean american community but among aapis across georgia and across the country. let me list the new names that were just released, the four other victims in this terrible tragedy. soon park, 74, hyun grant, 51, suncha kim, 69 and yong yue 63
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years old. these are women who worked at the two spas in the atlanta area. obviously, this is still an ongoing investigation. right now, there's a lot of outrage that they are dismissing the fact it was racially motivated. six of the people killed were asian. they want answers. they are outraged. they want change. they welcome the visit by the president and vice president. >> when you look at the growth of the asian american community, the atlanta area has seen a lot of growth of asian americans over the last decade. when you have talked to community leaders, do they feel as if this is -- they have been facing these problems for a while and it has been ignored
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and it took this tragedy for people to pay attention to this? >> reporter: chuck, i think that's accurate to say. i think a lot of members of this community have had boug bouts o racism in their lives. it took the death of eight people to have this flashpoint, this movement for change. we saw vigils being held across the country. it seems like finally there's some sort of solidarity. people of all races are standing behind the asian american community as we move forward in this healing process. >> kathy park on the ground for us in atlanta with more on the victims. you see the ages of the victims and you can't believe he went in there and just gunned down older women as well. kathy park, thank you for your reporting. this weekend on msnbc, special programming dedicated to examining the rise of hate crime
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and anti-asian violence across the country. that's tomorrow at 1:30 p.m. eastern. at 6:00 p.m. eastern, a closer look at the series of rising hate crimes against people of color, immigrants and the lgbtq community. former ambassador to china gary lock joins us as the new era begins with a heated exchange between diplomats all caught on camera. are invisible? try new tide pods hygienic clean heavy duty. see the difference, after being washed with tide hygienic clean. for a deep clean, try tide hygienic clean! if it's got to be clean, it's got to be tide.
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welcome administration's fit face to face meeting with chinese officials are continuing today. they got off to a rocky start yesterday. secretary of state blinken criticized china. he did it all while sitting next to his chinese counterparts. >> we will discuss our deep concerns with actions by china, including hong kong, taiwan, cyberattacks on the united states, economic coercion toward our allies. each of these actions threaten the order that maintains global stability. >> china's foreign affairs chief responded with his own set of remarks, defending china and then going on the offensive against the united states. >> the united states has its
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styled -- united states style democracy. china has the chinese style democracy. it is not just up to the american people but also the people of the world to yes, it is unclear whether the chinese knew the definition of democracy. i'm not sure i heard china described as a democracy before. he signaled them to stay and then decided to give a rebuttal.
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>> i have to tell you in my short time as secretary of state, i've spoken to, i think, nearly a hundred counterparts from around the world. i have to tell you what i'm hearing is very different from what you described. i'm hearing deep satisfaction that the united states is back, that we're reengaged with our allies and partners. i'm also hearing deep concern about some of the actions your government has taken. >> a confident country is able to look hard at its own shortcomings and constantly seek to improve. >> and that was obviously that last voice there, jake sullivan decided to speak on the record as well. when it was all over, a photo op that was supposed to last literally less than five minutes ended up lasting more than an hour. i'm joined by ambassador locke
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who served under president obama. the public aggressive tone of the chinese on american soil just seemed -- the soviets doing that or the russians doing that wouldn't have been a surprise. that seemed like a change in public posture by the chinese. to do it on our soil, did that surprise you? >> no, not at all. i think china is feeling a greater sense of confidence, strength, both diplomatic, economic and just in terms of its stature around the world. so they're willing to be a little bit more aggressive in their tone, to be more blunt in their assessment in challenging the united states when the united states makes its -- lodges its complaints and concerns about china. so i think everyone knew that this set of meetings was going to be very, very tough, not expecting any breakthroughs, but
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really an opportunity for both sides to basically air their positions about world order, about economics, about all sorts of issues. but to see it so testy in what was supposed to be basically a few minutes by each side, ending up for a very extended period of time, was surprising. but i think that it was important for both sides, and especially the united states, to express its views very candidly, very forcefully to demonstrate that the biden administration has very deep concerns about the trade economic human rights issues with china. >> you know, i want to talk about that decision to make it public. look, those are all experienced diplomats in that room on both sides of the table there, the chinese and the americans. if they wanted -- if they didn't want a confrontation, they could have chosen not to have one. is this a case where they both
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wanted their domestic audiences to see what they were doing? >> yes, very much so. and certainly the biden administration is sensitive to complaints and criticisms by the republicans that somehow under a president biden it will be soft on china, and that was really a demonstration to the members of congress and to the american public, but also to the world that america is, in fact, back, it is re-engaging with all of its allies and trying to present and develop a united coordinated approach to so many problems facing the world, whether it's climate change, whether it's iran, north korea, and certainly with respect to the trade-in economic policies of china, which many other countries around the world also share. and, of course, china does not want to be viewed as weak. its leaders do not want to be viewed as weak to the americans or to anybody in the west, and so they're pushing back and saying, hey, america, you've got
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problems, too. who are you to be lecturing us? >> right. what do you expect to be the next confrontation point? is it going to be taiwan and the south china sea? >> well, there's so many issues that are flash points, whether it's the human rights abuses going on in xinjiang to the loyalty test and changing the way -- the equivalent of the members of congress in hong kong are chosen, to, of course, greater military action by the chinese throughout the south china sea and especially as it relates to taiwan. all these issues are going to be -- will be discussed, and it's going to be really frank exchange. but i think that it's important that the two sides do meet so that they can air their perspectives, develop those lines of communication and then also focus on the areas of mutual concern. the united states very much
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wants china to help in getting north korea to stop developing a nuclear weapon, and we, of course, want china to be very active in terms of combatting climate change, which is a threat to the entire world. >> very quickly, on taiwan, they seem to be wanting to test our resolve. is the world ready to defend taiwan? >> well, we have very strong ties with taiwan, and quite frankly, the chinese would be -- the chinese government of beijing would have to be very, very careful with respect to any escalation of military action against taiwan. because if there is a full-blown conflict, the missiles will be flying from taiwan to the mainland and vice versa. taiwan would be decimated. and so what is there to gain in such a military conflict,
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because even if beijing wants to reunite with taiwan and have taiwan come back in as a province, it will be taking over a decimated country, a land with so many lives lost. that would really prompt huge repercussions and sanctions against beijing by the entire world, and so that is something beijing desperately needs to avoid. >> gary locke, former ambassador to china among many other positions that you've held. ambassador, thank you very much. thank you all for being with us this hour. we'll be back this sunday with more "meet the press." don't miss it. mayor mayorkas, fred blunt will be my guests. will
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good afternoon, i'm katy tur. as we come on the air, president biden is in georgia, his motorcade now making its way to the cdc headquarters in atlanta. in this hour the president will join vice president harris at the cdc where they will receive an update from health officials leading the fight against the pandemic. we are expected to see and hear from the president in about 15 minutes. we're going to bring that to you when he speaks. the visit comes as the cdc just issued new guidelines that could

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