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but first, it will require of us, to confront our gastly failures to tell the truth about who we are. >> professor, thank you for joining us on this important night. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> professor eddie glaude gets tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. ♪ ♪ well, good evening, once again, day 1460 of the trump administration joe biden becomes 37 hours from this moment our 46th president. the transfer of power from donald trump taking place in unprecedented conditions. the washington post just out with new reporting on a threat to the inauguration. it's detailed as part of an fbi intelligence report and we yet, the fbi privately warned law enforcement agencies monday that
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far-of right extremists have discussed posing ago national guard members in washington and others have maps of spots in the city, signs of potential efforts to disrupt wednesday's inauguration. the document, a summary of threats that the fbi identified in a monday intel briefing warned that both "lone wolves" and adherents to qanon, some of whom joined the violent siege on the capitol on january sixth, have indicated they plan to come to washington for president elect joe biden's swearing in ceremony. the bureau asked it to withhold some details of the intel report to avoid revealing intelligence gathering methods for specific security vulnerabilities in the district of columbia. military build up in washington for the inauguration now includes over 2700 active duty u.s. troops.
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pentagon said about 750 of those will be involved in enhanced security and dealing with chemical, biological, nuclear, radiological, explosive, weapon detection. and the national guard has called up 25,000 troops at least 2.5 times the number for previous inaugurations. and because this is our country, and in 2021, due to fears of an internal threat to the inauguration, from within the ranks, the ap reports the feds are vetting the guard members to stop any potential attacks from those in uniform. the fbi scrubbing and the secret service gives out the credentials and we have other secret service helping with the scrubbing, we know who is out here supporting us. >> the inauguration week opens with the day the nation honors,
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forgive me, the reverend dr. martin luther king, jr. tonight the national mall is illuminated with 56 pillars of light aiming sky ward, representing the 50 states in u.s. territories and also there, nearly 200,000 u.s. flags representing those americans unable to travel to washington for the inauguration. meanwhile, trump who is leaving town before the inauguration is reportedly near completion of a list of pardons and comutations that may include over 100 names. the rapper lil wayne may be on his list. trump allies, rudy giuliani does not expect one. and steve bannon's chances is
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fading. those near him is saying that he is not expected to issue a preemptive pardon for his family and himself. he is cautioned against pardoning himself, and white house officials believe that any consideration he is giving to granting himself a pardon could also turn more republicans against him in his coming senate impeachment trial. some trump advisers are concerned that he would forfeit his fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination should he grant himself a pardon. trump's final hours in office, are unfolding in the wake of the ransacking of our capitol. this weekend, more new video emerged of the riot, it was shot by a writer for the new yorker and gives us perhaps the clearest look at the mob as it ransacked the capitol and set up camp in the senate chamber. it explains why america is on
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high alert for a potential follow-on attack, the rioters and others believe that they carried out his act with the blessing of the president if not at his direct command. >> there's millions us out there. >> we were invited here! >> we were invited by the president of the united states! >> i thought i was following my president. i thought i was following what we were called to do. he asked us to be there. so i was doing what he asked us to do. >> the fbi is now focusing on the role some self style militia members and extremist groups may have played in the riot and this weekend arrested an army reservist with security clearance for u.s. naval bases federal court documents reveal a pennsylvania woman accused of being one of the capitol rioters
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told a former romantic partner that she planned to steal a laptop computer lifted from pelosi's office and sell it to russian intelligence. a federal law enforcement foishl said she has now surrendered to authorities. trump's senate trial for incitement of insurrection can begin any time. and they are making the case for and against trump's conviction. >> if it was a serious enough offense for us to impeach in a bipartisan way, it's a serious enough offense to go forward. >> there's question of if it's constitutional impeaching him when he is out of office. we are divided as a nation, this will throw gasoline on the fire. >> rudy giuliani has told
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several is media outlets he does not expect to be part of trump's defense team in the up coming impeachment trial, as he explains it, he could be a witness, in part because of his incitement in his speech to the mob. no one is aware who will represent the president at the trial. for the moving steps, moving fans at maralago, the farewell ceremony slated for wednesday, 8:00 a.m. it may include a color guard, a 21 gun salute. and bloomberg asked the honored guests to arrive by 7:15, and invitees can bring as many as five guests. he wants a big farewell crowd. let's bring in the lead-off guests. sam stein, veteran journalist, now white house editor over at
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politico and admiral james varetes, former head of the u.s. southern command, former supreme allied commander of nato. ashley, we have seen the president's schedule for his final day in office. it is blank, empty, except for the admonition, he dictates he will have many calls and having many meetings. nothing, not a cabinet member. not a pill on oh, manufacturer, can you share your reporting on the state he is in, andinin cir around him. >> it's important to keep in mind, we have not seen the president since last tuesday. which is he went to alamo, texas, to visit a section of the border wall, also important to
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note, he made initial public remarks about the assault on the capitol, where he took no responsibility and said his initial response was totally appropriate. and then, we have are not seen from him. we have not heard from him and his circle is getting small er and smaller and smaller. two things jump out at me. once is that, you know, you mentioned in your introduction, he spent the weekend pouring over pardons. he knew the specifics of the cases. he was asking granular questions. he likes them, because it's one of the true sort of full powers of the presidency. one of the true full powers he still has remaining. and you sort of wonder if the president had paid this much attention to detail, to something like coronavirus, to something like working with congress to pass legislation, how different might his presidency have looked? we don't know the answer.
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but it is always interesting to note what the president does devote attention to in the waning days and what he doesn't. and in the president's absence, one person that stepped up is mike pence. his vice president went to fema on thursday to get an inauguration security briefing. his vice president thanked national guard troops in an impromtu stop, his vice president traveled over the weekend to new york to thank the military and it will be his vice president in a striking breech of historical protocol and not president trump that will be there to take part in the peaceful transition of power to joe biden. >> admiral, let's talk about the mihitarization of the district of columbia. i was thinking of you, as i knew you were going to be on tonight. in your book, in your life, figures like admiral nimitz loom large. and you have a lot of company in that. what would a admiral nimitz
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think of it if you told him today, that we have to vet 25,000, give or take, guard members because of a suspected, a feared threat from the inside? >> you know, brian, what strikes me is we began this administration with an argument over a lie, which was about the size of the crowd at the inauguration of donald trump. we conclude with a fact. this inauguration will have more military guarding it than any in the history of the republi, probably by a factor of 100%. we have who troops on the mall than we have in iraq, afghanistan and syria combined. the shock of this should register on the american people deeply. and it speaks to the errors and the mistakes and the misjudgments that have been made bypresident trump.
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i think at the end of the day, what we ought to take from this, is a, we can do better. we are not the sum of our worst days like the storming of the capitol. we can and must do better. and secondly, brian, you and i have often talked about, how this is viewed in the world. and picture our reaction if the french had to bring in, on a per capita adjusted basis, 100,000 troops in to paris to ensure the inauguration of their next president? it sends a shockingly bad message to the world. so, i will simply conclude by saying, we are well rid of president trump, both domestically and international, this is a good professional strong team that is coming in, we can be better than we have been. that's what i think someone like admiral nimitz would say, look to the future, correct your
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mistakes. >> sam, i have something for you. here now, mr. hannity from fox news, tonight, we will discuss on other side. >> noticeably missing from the biden/harris agenda, anything actually related to unity. it's clear that no one on the left actually wants to bring 75 million trump voters in to the fold. democratic leftists, they are now looking for ways to squash any and all dissent. >> so, sam, it went on kind of like that. to take off of ashley's reporting it will be a week tomorrow since we have seen the guy. because of the big lie, he is the only one that can effectively call off the dogs with one or two sentences about the election of joe biden. is this the fox news pivot and tonight the preview of the next four years for them? >> yeah. i think so.
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obviously, the call is for unity, you would have some self reflection about not acknowledging the results of the election, which bred the temporaryment that led to the riots. and of all the democrats that ran in the primary, he was chastised the most for democrats on the stage for reaching out to republicans and saying it would be his governing philosophy and he stuck to it. let's see if he keeps it inpractice with 57 seats at his disposal. it's not a radical leftist democratic president by any stretch. this is the pivot, as we said, this is where fox news is going. we will see if it stands. but, it makes logical sense to say, you know, it's now
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incumbent on joe biden to unify the country that our broadcasts and president trump helped divide. >> ashley parker i want to quote to you, the writing of ashley parker and she writes, quote, trump plans to inhabit an alternative reality of adoration and affirmation, his aides are at work to establish a trump fiefdom in the sunshine state aimed at the maintaining his influence over republican politics. what do you call what we have just seen for four years in the white house? and second is, is this just going to mean the southern white house for him, just like d.c., only warmer and with more covid? >> it's a great question and it's one that we truly don't know the answer to.
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in part because of the attack on the capitol, i want to talk about your show, weeks ago. we were discussing because president trump was discussing grand plans foran exit. he was going to have a huge competing rally, out in the country somewhere. he was going to have a competing event where he was going to announce that he, donald trump, was going to run for president again in 2024. and his lock on the republican party seemed inpenetrable, he would be determining primaries and people from the southern white house, on the potential candidates. and would be going not just to iowa and new hampshire, but down to mar-a-lag could it still happen? possibly. what is important to note, how quickly and how fast things fell apart from this president. who is very much a shrinking
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figure. who is leaving the white house diminished. who is going to the creature comforts of a trump branded guilded property surrounded by loving and adoring aides and those who paid to gain access to his club. he is leaving with a lot less power than he several weeks ago. despite being impervious to political gravity, it show that's is not egg on an angry crowd or mob of his supporters to violently rise up and attack the capitol, leaving 5 people the dead and pay no consequences and that is the exit we are seeing for donald trump right now. >> sam let's pick up on ashley's reporting and analysis, which is so expert testimony on. it's about how this president is leaving. and where the opinion polls are. something that was his doing. but he could not have predicted this a month ago.
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we are going to get two ways of remembering him in the next 36 hours. a slew of pardons and commutations and this videotaped farewell address. i assume they are going to have two different messages. disspirit messages and one through line, blank you to the establishment. >> the other thing to add and note is donald trump never met a camera that he did not love. he was ubiquitous. part of the reason he was and became president was because he was so willing to just over saturate the media ecosystem and he leaves office hidden from public view, largely. he is unwilling to do any interviews at all. and he is being advised from his aids to not do it, with the possibility that that he would incriminate himself. he is going down to the southern white house, he is likely going
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to bring close political aides, he is going to set up a shop. he will have a megaphone eventually at his disposal. it will not be twitter. he will be able to use the camera at some point to affect the course of the republican party and he is looking for retribution too. he is mad at the ten house republicans who voted for impeachment. he is furious with the georgia republican apparatus who he feels did not do enough. he is angry with kevin mccarthy and he will try to figure out ways to get retribution. the question is, is it a diminished donald trump? is he more politically chaistened, i don't know if i agree with ashley. everything that we know about him, says that he will try to come back out there. come out and dangle a run for presidency and be king maker or try to be king again in republican politics.
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>> admiral, final question to you about the world we are left with. think of the arc and course of your career. when you were still on the job tonight with those shiny things on your shoulders, perhaps in a meeting in the tank at the pentagon, has it occurred to you there was a good chance, and i'm knocking on word as i say this, that the threat on us tonight is not external. that the threat that the pentagon is worrying about and concentrating on is internal? >> without question request, that's the case for the next 48 hours. and we need to recognize the reality that we have something of an insurgency under way, here i'm not talking about trump voters per say. i'm talking about qanon and proud boys and white supremist groups. these are not benign individuals, exercising their free speech rights as did martin luther king did.
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very effectively and legally. these are individuals who we saw in vivid video who want nothing but to destroy the nation. and they will stop at nothing. and we are going to have to deal with that. that will not be the job of the pentagon per say. it will will be the job of law enforcement, or domestic intelligence apparatus. but we have to recognize the reality of real challenges ahead at the dark end of the political spectrum, in the mainstream, if you will, we do need as you started the show, to think about how we can bring back these disaffected trump voters, and move forward in positive ways. i'm hopeful that is job one for the biden administration. >> let's double down on that hope, what a world, what a country, but here we are. as a great man once said, what a mess, but it will do until we
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the nation has surpassed 24 million cases and the death toll is closing on 400,000 souls. california became the first state in the nation to surpass 3
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million of its own coronavirus cases. in l.a. county, the situation is so dire that air quality regulations have been lifted to accommodate a growing backlog of cremations. despite all this tonight the trump administration lifted travel restrictions from the eu, ireland, and the uk and brazil, effective january 26th, but not so fast. the incoming press secretary said tonight this is not happening. in fact, for more, we welcome back this evening, dr. celine gounder, she serves on the president elect's coronavirus advisory board. doctor, thank you very much for coming on. this is an urgent time. what can you tell folks about the palpable difference that joe
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biden is promising, the difference they may feel in their lives and their efforts to get this vaccine? >> brian, the president elect has proposed an america rescue plan. a $1.9 trillion package with a t, trillion dollars package to save the american economy and save the american people from the coronavirus pandemic. and that might sound like a lot of money. but, the coronavirus pandemic is costing the american economy $16 trillion. almost, 10 times that much, that is twice as much as we have spent on all wars since 9/11. so, yes, $1.9 trillion is a lot of money, but it's a drop in the bucket when you consider the impact that money will have in terms of turning things around. >> um, the incoming chief of staff, along with a good many people in the medical world fear
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a death toll of 500,000. half a million of our fellow citizens by the end of february. we are universely told that it will get worse before it's better. if you read the evidence, you understand that. what is the target date in your community for this word "better"? i know i have asked you before, is it summer '21, or fall '21 or worse? >> so we are in our fifth, five, fifth peak of coronavirus here in the united states. the first one was in the spring and then you had the southern states over the summer and then with the weather getting cooler in the fall, in the early fall and then we had a fourth and fifth peak around the thanksgiving and then the christmas and new year's holidays. so much of this is in our control. yes, vaccines will play a role here. but it depends on us to double
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down on the masking some the social distancing, and being outdoors verse indoors. if we are indoors in well haven't-- well ventilated spaces and sticking to our household bubbles, until we have a large am of people vaccinated, we are at risk. i worry about the up coming holidays, spring break, when people are tempted to travel and be around family and friends and that could lead to yet another surge. >> i can't thank you enough for coming on, and always taking our questions and i imagine your life is going to get even more hectic coming up in the next 36 hours as president elect becomes president. dr. celine gounder, thank you, as always for coming on. coming up for us, a preview of what a post trump america could be like. we will talk about it with rick wilson, jason johnson, our colleagues await, we will be back with them after this.
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. ♪ ♪ joe biden, you talk about unifying the country. if you do not stand up against the impeachment of president trump after he leaves on office, you are an incredibly weak figure in american history. you need to stand up to the radical left and tell schumer to, to dismiss what i think is know unconstitutional attempt to
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impeach president trump out of office. stand down. >> senate lindsey graham, asking chuck schumer a lead a vote to dismiss the article of impeachment against soon to be former president trump. calling it an unconstitutional act of political vengeance that will continue to incite further division. there's the continued hint of violence. if we know one thing about lindsey graham, it's that trump has an affect on him like no other man he has met. jason johnson, a campaign vet are ran and journalist, importantly a professor of poll
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-- of politics at morgan state university. and he is among the co-founders of the lincoln project. rick, i can sense your love for the senator from here. as a business proponent of the big lie, do senator graham's words ring hollow at this point? >> you know, lindsey graham has spent the last four years with his head planed in trump's colon, he was the handmaden of trump's unbelievable lies about every possible thing. he has been at trump's side on this the entire time. there's nothing about lindsey graham that deserves a moment of seriousness here. he is playing a game in washington right now, he is working the refs, he is playing the media and trying convince them that it's the way mature,
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adult way to pursue it. the adult way is to impeach him, convict him and forbid him to hold office again. he is a threat to the country from any format. >> speaking of which, professor, i have a little had something to play for you. this is congressman schiff on whether or not former president trump should get the courtesy and availability of security briefings after leaving office. we will discuss on the other side. >> there's no circumstance thch this president should get another intelligence briefing, not now, and not in the future. i don't think he can be trusted with it now. and in the future, he certainly can't be trusted. indeed, there were, i think, any number of intelligence partners of ours around the world who probably started withholding information from us because they didn't trust the president would, would safeguard the information and protect their sources and methods.
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and that makes us less safe. >> jason, i'm tempts to ask, why he would start wanting to get briefed now and i'm also tempted to ask, what purpose would it possibly serve? >> yeah, brian, i mean, we all know he didn't read them anyway. he would probably get them in the mail every day and say, what is it about? the purpose is, asschiff referred to and we have said for years it's about national security. he has been willing to sell america for spare parts at any opportunity, if not just bragging about national security to foreign leaders we don't know if members of his family may not sell it to countries. since we cannot trust himself or
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his family, it does not make sense to give him information that he would not pay attention to or sell. there's no more telling image than stacks and stacks of intelligence briefings sitting outside his front porch every day. because we know he is not going read them and will probably sell them to jared kushner. >> hey, rick, it turns out secretary is azar is going to be a trumper to the end. he said about the coronavirus, and the incoming team today, quote, this is a concerted effort by the new team to down-talk where things are so they can look like heroes whether they come in and just carry forward the momentum we have established. rick, it's tough to sugar coat 400,000 dead. >> 400,000 deaths. look, this is alex azar who stood quietly for three months, where donald trump said it's going to go away. it's minimal, there's only 15
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cases. it's nothing, it's the flu. you know, he stood quietly by with that and now, he is going to go out with, with -- going to leave the administration like a wet fart, nobody is going to be happy with his performance. it was awful. it was terrible. it was embarrassingly bad and it cost the lives of 400,000 americans. all of the swagger monkey types around trump that acted like they have done everything perfectly and they are leaving the world in good hands. this is a country that is still in the midst of the pandemic. and the impacts of it are by no means even close to being final. we are going to pay the price for their indifference and incompetence for a long time. and i know he is trying to goback in to private industry right now, i hope any company considering hiring him would find like a rabbid dog off the street and put him in office instead. he is incompetent and we have 400,000 dead people to prove it. >> both of these men will stay
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nearby while we have a commercial break, we will resume the conversation on the other side with the stakes awaiting the president elect. elect.
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in coming white house chief of staff, ron klain has told senior staff that joe biden intends to sign about a dozen executive orders on day one of his inauguration. they include rejoining the paris climate accord, and recinding the muslim travel ban and mandating mask wearing -- pretend we are in your class and are all of your students how much of the trump years can the joe biden administration, joe biden starting on day one, do away with, with an executive order? with the swipe of a pen?
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>> i mean, this is the tip of a gigantic glacier that i would be drawing on the board when we are allowed to go back in to class. look, the biden administration is starting off well. paris climate accord, climate change is a big issue. you have to do something about mask wearing, all of these things make sense. what the real danger is, and what biden has to face and to undo trump's damage, he has to go through every agency and find the trumpists and find the trumpists who have not been performing their jobs or are incompetent and reof them. he has to do something simple is. as simple as, he has to reevaluate our post office, all the damage that dejoy did last fall in order to try to hand the election to donald trump, nobody has fixed that yet. there's so much that he has to do, he cannot fix them all with executive orders in 100 days but the first three orders are a
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nice start. >> it is easy to forget in list of the greatest hits. he did knee cap the postal service after all. rick, i'm go abouting to read to you as a florida man. from the washington post, quote, some in trump's orbit are talking up the idea of ivanka trump running for senate when the term of marco rubio is up. trump has become something of a pariah in the nation's capital of washington and its financial center of new york in the wake of january 6th riot. but florida has been a place he can revive himself. >> the work of ivanka trump has been fearless in every way. the fact that she is getting all the momentum in going against marco is a delicious moment for everyone. he spent a lot of time kissing
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up to her and now she is talking assertively, and talking to political leaders in the state, trying to organize this thing. we will see what happens. but, you know, the trump family seems to be moving here enmass and you know it's already a state so full of florida men and women, they will at least nudge the crazy average up a few notches. but trump does think he can come here because there's a lot of florida that is very, very maga and very, very red. so, it's going to be, and they are going to darken our door here, and reduce the tourism value. but, you know, i'm looking forward to the presidential library in a trailer park in oklahoma, florida, with his $2 billion library is built. it's ridiculous. >> said the man with a cat in a dress along side him, because it's florida after all. professor jason johnson, rick wilson, florida man, gentlemen, can't thank you enough, it's always a pleasure or something awfully close to that. coming up for us, what years of
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>> it's not the first time social media has resorted to de-platforming to try and curb the spread of disinformation. back in 2014, we found out when twitter started to suspend isis related accounts. hey, matt. >> hey, brian, yeah, you know, this comparison between
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right-wing extremists and islamist jihadis, it's not to compare the ideology, but he was we have seen them being deplatformed in similar ways from social media. since big tech companies deplatformed donald trump and insurgents that stormed the capitol and his strongest supporters, some on the right are roaring about the violation of free speech. >> they can censor the president of the united states. >> jessie morton knows the outrage well. he was a passionate believer in a radical, violent form of islam, he used social media to recruit americans to al qaeda, and urging americans to kill the writers of south park. before he was deplatformed and
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imprisoned and then eventually deradicalized. >> i experienced directly when the primary threat we were concerned with was the jihadist, he said that it works but there's side affects. >> they were easily able to mobilize and migrate to alternative plat porms and those alternative platforms were somewhat more dangerous. >> even though deplatforming cut him off from potential recruits. >> it's a command from ala. >> it made him more radical, more committed and more prone to violence. >> when they called to censorship and takedowns because we were committed extremists and radicals is we felt more threatened and more scrutinized and more dangerous. >> it's a topic that researcher
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jm berger has studied for years. >> it was clear then, and all the research that i have done since then has made it clear that when you deplatform people, they lose audience. >> berger's 2015 study showed #isis was mentioned 40,000 times a day. dropping to 5,000 mentions a few months later. berger and horton concluded that social media suspensions work best when they are consistent, fair and rare. unlike jihadis, right wing supporter's ledge on have multiple ideologies and count on some elected officials to defend them. >> you can sue. >> when you were taking down accounts of muslims people didn't care. when you take down accounts of prominent people, people will care. and the platforms are aware of the dynamic. >> we have already started to see, brian, some of this play out in the same way with
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election misinformation. the research firm zignal labs said that ever since trump and some of his closest allies have been deplatformed, election misinformation online has dropped by 73%. brian? >> matt bradley in paris, where it's not yet 6:00 in the morning. matt, thank you for that and thank you for being clear about the reporting involved. coming up for us, class, and grace, and civility, let's say they have been away on business for a while and they are about to return to the white house. [ engines revving ] ♪♪ it's amazing to see them in the wild like th-- shhh. [ engine revs ] for those who were born to ride, there's progressive.
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talk to your doctor about aimovig. in all circumstances, i ask every american to be an ambassador and be best. to focus on what unites us, to raise above what divides us. to always choose love over hatred. peace over violence. and others before yourself. her farewell address. last thing before we go tonight. speaking from a white houses that for years had actually gas lights, the first lady who along with her husband going out as classily as they both came in. we knew donald trump was leaving town before the inauguration and the first lady's office now confirms that there will not be the most prefunctory greeting
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from the first lady. this still photo was making the rounds today, trump made sure he was first in through the door. leaving it to the obamas to place one hand each on milania's back, graciously welcoming the couple that had endlessly promoted birtherism and endangered the obama family along the way. inside, gracious incumbent met with the new guy and gracious first lady met with melania. the trumps have shown no such grace to the bidens. the bidens know the house well enough to give their own tours. it's just the courtesy of it all. one more contrast, here now is barack obama's last appearance before the white house press core. this is four years ago today. you are not supposed to be
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sycophants, you are supposed to be skeptics and ask me tough questions. you are supposed to cast a critical eye on folks that hold enormous power and make sure that we are accountable to the people who sent us here and you have done that. 44 to take us off the air tonight and that is our broadcast for this monday evening. with our thanks for being here, with us. nicole wallace and i are back on the air tomorrow. 4:00-6:00 eastern time to cover joe biden's arrival as president elect, on behalf of all of my colleagues here on the networks, good night.

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