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the fact of the policies that's going to come out of here. give us the sense of the firepower of the results that will come out of here in the next hour or so. >> look, i think it's a big deal in either direction for this reason. this is set up as a test for sanders with an electorate that right now according to what we're looking at looks like at least a little more than a third nonwhite voters. if he can win under these circumstances, it starts to puncture the mythology that somehow hillary clinton is unbeatable on march 1st, that the states as soon as the electorates get more diverse, she can't be beat. that's why i think this is such i think a mental im -- test of importance for the sanders campaign, for the perception of the sanders campaign as a potential nominee. that's why a victory by clinton, even by a half point or a point, while it shows she's going to have a hard time getting this nomination, it puts her in the driver's seat because it's a
reminder if she can hold off sanders in a diverse electorate under these circumstances it actually gets easier for her as these become primaries, south carolina, then look at supertoisuper tuesday of alabama, of georgia, of texas. it really is a mental barrier i think for sanders why a victory for him is so important because of the diversity factor of this state and it just -- this allows him -- it's more momentum. if he wins tonight it's a $5 million, $6 million fund raising night for him. >> you talk to people you walk around and we are all so exposed and everybody comes up if you are on television in the news, people are very open -- they're there explicit about their reasons for bernie, they talk about college tuition and social benefits going up and they are specific about what they like about bernie. the tag democratic socialist, it doesn't grab them, he will give them what they need in life. it's very specific. >> he's won them -- that tells
you that he's got a message and he's won the message argument and when you look at the exit poll it's pretty clear he won the message argument. and his messages are winning the issue of income inequality or if you're worried about the economy. if you're an issue-focused democratic voter right now you do find -- it looks like you're gravitating more toward bernie and i think that is the clinton challenge. there isn't an idea or a plan yet that she has that you -- that voters are grabbing on to that is -- >> right. >> -- this is why i'm for hillary beyond, well, she can win. that's not it, right? she's got -- i still think win or lose out of here, that's -- that's a -- that's something she's got to solve. that is something she's got to come up with, is it one big idea. is it the big theme of what she brings that's different, unique, that's a special sauce but, you know, that's what's been elusive to her. because, you're right, i experienced the same thing. bernie people have a reasonable
w why. it's not anti-clinton, i like this plan, i like that plan and this plan it may be pie in the sky but they like he's got a plan. she needs to sell more. >> it doesn't work among democratic people to say we can't afford these things or they won't work politically, because i've heard -- you've heard this thing out there where barack obama's theme was, yes, we can and hillary's is, no, we can't. if it becomes a negative sort of downer thing like that. we only heard it once today on the air -- i'd say a woman in her 30s or 40s maybe saying she's for -- maybe older than that she's for hillary because she's a woman. i am not sure it's resonating. i don't hear it. >> i don't either and i don't know why that is. is it -- has she not planted the seeds enough? i think early on in her campaign they did want to have gender play. not a central role, but a main role. you know, the idea of history. and i remember early on, the early polling that -- that the clinton folks did indicated
that, particularly with millennials, that the idea of being a first, of breaking barriers, that's what attracts millennials to a new idea or political candidate which is breaking a barrier. >> yeah. >> and yet somehow that has gotten lost. is it that she just has too much history as a politician and, therefore, they're numb to the idea that she's the barrier breaker? i don't know exactly. but that's missing. i don't know if you can force it. maybe by the general election it's there for her if she does get the nomination, but it is certainly a missing piece of the excitement. if you're looking, wondering why there's a lack of enthusiasm maybe or whatever, that would be the easiest thing to spark and it's not there for some reason. >> i gragree with you it's like baseball player that is rounding third and not tagging third. something is missing here. a failure to grab. it's always brilliant to hear from you. not always brilliant but always
impressive. i can't say brilliant because it sounds ridiculous. but you are great. let's get to the reporters staged at several caucus sites. the doors are closed behind them and they are engaged in picking a candidate and chris hayes is live at a middle school in the city of henderson that is a bit better off than here on the strip and jacob is live at the new york new york hotel/casino up here somewhere behind me. let's start with chris hayes in henderson, go ahead, chris. >> reporter: chris, this is actually harry reid's caucus site, it's a middle school in henderson and a little while ago harry reid came by to visit the caucus site. the way they are being done ot iowa model this is all harry reid's brainchild. he made it all happen. i asked him a question about what he thinks about nevada's role in this primary process. there's not the same, you know, iowa and new hampshire they've been -- they have the sort of status and they've had it for a
long time. do you feel that the political world recognizes the sort of importance of nevada? >> i didn't like the status, that's why we have a caucus here. i think it was unfair to have iowa and new hampshire determine who was going to be running for president. iowa has no diversity. 97% white. to complicate matters we have a situation in new hampshire where nobody lives there and there's no diversity. so, we're better off moving west. the population centers of this country are moving west. we have a lot of issues out here that are not even talked about east of the mississippi. and people are forced to talk about them now. >> reporter: so, chris, keep in mind that nevada for years had been having caucuses but they were not the kind of caucuses like the iowa caucuses. that was imported in 2008 and they actually hired the person who ran the iowa caucuses to come to nevada. the first time they did it was in the contested primary in 2008. this is only the second time. you can see, though, there's a real huge turnout here.
this is people taking a big chunk out of their saturday. people are still lining up. we're coming up right on noon when the caucuses are supposed to start. there's one caucus site behind me here and this should be familiar for anyone that watched our coverage in iowa, when i was in the center in des moines, a very similar setup. folks will get in their groups and check for viability and split up after that. and you've got a lot of people out here this is, again, only the second time they've done this. this is not a 100-year-long tradition but if this is any insidecation t indication the idea has taken root. >> do you think there's a passion or they are regular voters and they believe in voting and they make up their mind when they get there? how many people look activist to you? you know what an activist looks like? how many are that? >> reporter: that's a great question, chris. i would say it's 50/50, so far the folks i've talked to these are the kind of people that are generally very, very active in
politics. they consume a lot of political news and they might volunteer or knock on doors and active in local school board elections and half of the folks seem more like the folks outside find on election day going to a polling site. they are voters but they are not, you know, totally politically junkies. i would say roughly about half and half of the people i've talked to. >> what about the lines snowd how's that -- are people still waiting to get in or is that all over now? >> reporter: they are. we'll show you. so, anyone who is on line obviously gets to come in. this is part of the issue, again, with the caucus process, it's kind of a big rigmarole, donald trump had an unexpected moment of truth telling, i like when you vote, you get in, you get out. people have to come to the register and go to the individual precinct and they got to gather and those are folks checking who the affinity groups are. all of this takes some time.
you have to be pretty committed, you know, on a saturday one of your two days off to come in and spend two or three hours, you know, getting together with your fellow citizens on this. if you're really into politics, i think it's fun. people here are having a really good time. but it's a real investment. >> yeah, i wonder what people would find more onerous having to get a photo i.d. like a drivers license or showing up for half a day. that to me is a hurdle. just thinking like a regular person. >> reporter: if we turned -- if we turned national actual elections into something like this, we would watch turnout plummet by probably 80%. >> i know. i know. i was trying to think who the poet was that said socialism will never make it in america because people don't go to meetings. we'll figure that one out by november, though, that's a long question. thank you for that chris hayes. >> reporter: you bet. >> let's go to jacob to find out what's going on in the city here above us on the strip here in las vegas? >> reporter: chris, i want to
reiterate that it's 12:00 local time and 3:00 eastern and the doors are supposed to be closed right now there are way too many people in line in the new york new york to close the doors so far. this is the back of the line. was it a long line down there? >> yeah. >> reporter: super long? was it a long line? >> yeah. >> reporter: what i've been told is you're in the hotel with me and it stretches from the elevator to the starbucks which means nothing to anybody at home it's probably 100 yards and look at all the people still here registering to vote and getting ready to check in. and i quickly want to show you inside one more time. this room is filling up. they didn't expect the turnout i don't think that they had here today. in 2008 to reiterate it was 1,000 people who came here to caucus. i don't know if the number will reach that high but people are continuing to pour in and there'sof hillary support here, actually. >> are they on the clock? or are they not working? are they on their eight-hour
shifts or what? >> reporter: what is unbelievable, a lot of people are here and they need to get back to their lunch break at 1:15 and an official told me that people can get in trouble if they don't get back to work at 1:15 local time, and that goes back to what chris hayes was talking about some people think it's undemocratic if you have to race to vote and get in your preference group in time to get back to work so you don't get in trouble, some people might think that's a little suspect. >> yeah, but it looks like it was written by harry reid so that -- or somebody of like mind politically so that people who do have tough shifts during the day get to get a break from work even getting an hour is kind of -- i'm kind of amazed that employers give them an hour to leave their slot machines or crap machines or concierge desk to vote in a presidential election when they are getting paid to work at a casino. >> reporter: i think that speaks to the power of the unions in the hotels, chris.
>> yeah. >> reporter: as you know we've talked about all day long the culinary union 57,000 strong, you know, while they're not endorsing in this election, is, in fact, you know, allowing their members and encouraging their members to go out and participate. they're just not saying like they did last time we endorse barack obama over hillary clinton. so, the unions still have a lot of pull in this situation and do want to see their members go out whoever they vote for this time around and caucus. >> it's great reporting, jacob, as always. thank you so much. we'll check back with you soon to see how the people are voting. we're now getting our very first entrance poll numbers from the democratic caucus, they are entrance polls here and steve kornacki joins us now from the nbc headquarters 30 rock we call it to break down the numbers. what are you seeing? >> we can show you a couple of things. first of all, what the elecfor rat looks like, you see an electorate that is 64%, roughly two-thirds white, 12% black, 17%
hispanic a bit of a change from the last time around in 2008 the number of hispanics was a little lower 15% and the number of african-american voters was a little higher, about 15%. but the same basic breakdown we saw in 2008, about two-thirds white and one-third nonwhite. interesting divides, again, we've been looking at it all along the age sort of barrier in this race, 45 and under we've been seeing it overwhelmingly for sanders in the first two states and seeing that again today in this entrance poll data a lead for sanders, and the reverse over 45 and clinton leading by 2-1. if there's a bit of good news for hillary clinton the population of nevada this is one of the oldest states in the country when you talk about average age of the population so clinton doing well with 45 plus. that might bode a little well for her. also the income divide, again, this is a departure from something we saw in the clinton-obama race in 2008 but this is something that we've been seeing in this race and that is with those with less money, with less than $50,000 a
year in income, bernie sanders, again, beating hillary clinton here by double digits in nevada with those making more than $50,000, more upper income, hillary clinton leading by almost ten points. in 2008 this was the opposite. the lower-income voters were going for hillary clinton. the upper-income voters were going for barack obama. but we've seen bernie sanders making inroads. we saw this in iowa and new hampshire with blue collar, white voters that is potentially we're also seeing here in nevada. a lot of these numbers subject to change. we have more entrance poll data coming but getting our first look at thelectorate today, chris. >> and let's go to john ralston, he's in washington. let me ask you, john. i've noticed a downtick among black voters if the numbers hold up throughout the day down from 12 to 15. you don't have an african-american candidate for president running. that's no surprise, a dip of three points. the uptick from 15 to 17 for hispanic voters could be
demographics. how do you analyze the numbers? >> i think what you said is right. let's take the african-american ones, chris, you're right barack obama may be causing an uptick but he beat hillary clinton pretty substantially, of course, among african-american voters in 2008. she has almost every african-american elected official in nevada endorsing her, the prominent ones. that's very helpful to her i think. she's had some national african-american leaders come in and campaign for her. i think you are right about the hispanic vote the democrats are trying to pump it up and they will in november as well and they think that's a big deal to get nevada to go blue again. the big question is how will the hispanic voters decide in the race? you saw steve's numbers and bernie sanders has had inroads and even by the state direct of the hillary campaign's own admission. if she can win much more substantially among african-american voters and hold her own with hispanic voters, considering the composition of
that electorate, chris, i think she should do all right. >> what about the economics? people at the bottom economically, where would they go? if you listen to bernie sanders, he's appealing to you. i'll get your social security benefits much higher than they are right now with no cost to you. i'll tax therism for that. i'll give your kids when they turn 18 a chance to go to a top rated school, a state university, for free. these are offers hard to refuse if you believe the candidate has a chance of getting elected and will deliver in a republican-contested world to be honest with you. >> chris, i don't think -- you and chuck were talking about this. i don't think people who are going for bernie sanders are really thinking about whether he can get the stuff done, whether -- that the candy he's giving them is free or there's going to be a price later on. they're the enthusiasm for what he's saying, free college, let's clean up politics is going to trump any enthusiasm on the other side for hillary clinton
as the first woman president. she had those folks locked in already, right? >> i agree and i think the word "aspirational" is key. it's why people come to this country, aspirations. they don't know that they'll make it but they are coming out of aspiration and the same kind of draw if you will, lure, is bernie sanders, picking me at least you are aspiring to what i'm aspiring to which is a chance for everybody to go to school at the university level and the chance for people to retire without fear and have health care without having to dicker for it and fight with the insurance companies and figure out, you know, exchanges and all that stuff. wait a minute, i want it like my parents have it. i want medicare for everybody. it's very appealing. i've come to understand that, john. anyway, thanks for joining us -- go ahead, your thoughts. >> real quickly, chris, i want to say it looks from -- forget what the entrance polls say, it looks from all my sources out there in the field in nevada like the turnouts looks in the early going to be very, very
high and if there's a lot of those folks that you were just talking about who hear something aspirational in what bernie sanders is saying, if that's who is turning out, then we're going to be in for a long night, i think, chris. >> yep. john ralston, you know what you're talking about. anyway, the race here in nevada is too early to call. nbc is declaring that right now. that's our call right now. stay with us as we follow the returns in the hillary clinton between bernie. it's a one-on-one out here. the live coverages of the nevada caucuses and the south carolina primaries continue here the place for politics.
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saying officially now, that the race now is too early to call. it's hard to tell what that means, but it means we can't call. from my colleague to chris hayes we'll go to the caucus site in henderson with the congresswoman trying to move votes for hillary. chris, take over. >> reporter: he are here at henderson in a middle school, this is harry reid's caucus site and it's had a lot of high profile visitors throughout the day. harry reid was here earlier surveying the scene. there are 12 precincts caucuses people are filing in and heavy turnout and congressman jason chaffetz was here and a marco rubio supporter he was here to troll the democrats and essentially try to get in front of a camera to tell everyone why marco rubio was best to take on the democratic nominee. i told him marco rubio probably has to win some states first and i also have with my congressman zoe lofgren and serves on the judiciary committee.
who are you here to support? >> i'm here to support hillary clinton. >> reporter: we had an interesting conversation who you endorsed in the past. who did you endorse in 2004? >> i was the first member of congress to support howard dean. i'm always for the insurgents. i was for obama in 2008. but i'm for hillary this time. >> reporter: so you were a dean person and an obama person. you tend to side with the insurgents. >> i do. >> reporter: why are you not feeling the bern? >> well, you know, i served with bernie and almost everybody who has served with bernie is supporting hillary. >> reporter: you guys keep saying that and we're supposed to fill in the blanks. i want to explicitly say what you meanwhile by that. >> you look at someone's achievement level and there's very little to show in terms of legislative achievement. i don't want to be snarky about it, but the truth hurts, and hillary has accomplished a lot, not only in the senate, but also outside, you know, secretary of state. you know, i've been here talking to people and they want to know what it's like in congress and about various things and one of the things that still irks me is
that bernie was one of those who helped kill immigration reform in 2007. i was chair of the immigration subcommittee that year. and we went over and begged the senators to move it along so that we could -- we had the votes in the house, and, you know, hillary voted for it. harry reid voted for it. pat leahy, the other senator from vermont, voted for it, but bernie didn't. and we've never gotten that close again. >> reporter: you know, it's funny you bring it up because congressman luis gutierrez was on my show last night and he brought it up, clearly frustrated by that mccain/kennedy vote. >> well, yeah. we did something that's not very usual. john conyers the chairman of the committee, me chairman of the subcommittee and luis as house members went over to the senate floor and talked to senators and begged them to vote yes. and a lot of them did, but bernie wouldn't. >> reporter: we should note it
wasn't that bernie was the deciding vote on the mccain/kennedy, republicans killed it because their base rejected it. >> there were a lot of things o going on, but bernie did not stand with us and i resent it. >> reporter: congressman lofgren, it's great to have you here. congressman lofgren working the crowd one of the undecided voters we talked to earlier got a pitch from congressman lofgren and we'll go find her and find the persuasive powers of the ten-term congresswoman from san jose. we'll see how that comes out in the wash, chris. >> what a great member of congress she's been all the years. her successor -- actually her predecessor was don edwards, another great member of congress. and we are joining by our panel again. you're not beast, are you? >> i'm certainly not a beast. >> i know "the daily beast."
let me ask you about this rales o race out here. i keep going back eight years ago to thinking about watching the coverage from some casino here and watching hillary clinton beat obama at least that night. >> yeah. >> you know? and we thought, oh, my god, hillary's won new hampshire. she's won here. she's going to be the nominee. so, we get -- you know, we get misdirection sometimes by these events. >> well, we do and, you know, south carolina's next and obama won south carolina and won it pretty big and then he was able to go on and build up some other victories and enough to get through. so, i agree -- >> horror of horrors south carolina with all the vagaries and dirty tricks down there actually be a state that's the best leading indicator of who wins. >> those are mostly on the republican side more than the democratic side. look, i go back to what you and chuck were talking about. clinton's problem is this, people aren't really focused yet, democratic voters, on the question of electability so much when hillary clinton tries to make the arguments that he's not
pragmatic and realistic, it's falling on deaf ears. the argument that she really needs to make about that is what this is going to do to your tax bill, but she doesn't want to make that argument. >> republicans are so much better at that. >> right. >> alex, they are so much better at coming out and saying, sorry, buddy, you can't afford it. they're very good at that sort of negative practicality. democrats don't want to be the debbie downer. >> i was looking at some of the exit polls that have come out early. to the early question, are you voting for november or right now. only 21% are saying that they're most concerned about electability, so that means 80% are concerned about, cares about the issues, people like me and other things and that's what we're hearing on the ground when we talk to people -- >> you know the phrase nbc, it used to be new democratic coalition. we all loved it, but the joke on them was november doesn't count. all they want to do is win primaries because it made them feel great and they go back to horrible defeat to george mcgovern.
horrible. mcgovern carried, what, d.c. and massachusetts. >> and i think there's this inevitability factor that works against clinton in some ways and even people who are supporting bernie sanders think she's going to end up to be the nominee and want to move her to the left and ho move her -- >> it's possible they are already doing that. i look at hillary clinton who really wants to win, she's willing to adopt an awful lot of the sanders agenda if that gets her into the white house. is that a fair statement? >> absolutely. a minimum wage, tpp, key stone xl, you could go down the list there's a lot of things she's moved. she's aligned herself with where the democratic party is today. but the problem for her is that when she does that, the story isn't, look, hillary clinton is a progressive, the story is hillary clinton is a flip-flopper, hillary clinton has changed positions -- >> she's holding off on a couple things. she will not say free college. >> sure. she won't go to $15 minimum wage but a $12 minimum wage. >> she's thinking ahead. i think she's thinking i will have to pass these bills and
will be considered a failure or a traitor if i can't so i can't promise what i can't deliver. >> what she said last night at her rally i don't juwant donald trump kids to have college. >> that's de minimis. there should be a merit based system, there are a lot of ways between what we have now which is horrible for people and free. there's a lot of middle ground there. >> but the problem is it's also really complicated to explain that to voters. i was at her town hall -- >> how about 3% interest instead of 8%? they get that. >> i was at a town hall that she did at a college yesterday and i talked to the students afterwards and they liked what she said about debt-free college but they didn't quite understand how she had laid it out. i asked them, will you go to her website to check it out? maybe. so, she's communicating with people in a way that maybe isn't always as clear as it needs to
be. >> do people want clarity? seriously, seriously about this, bernie says he's going to pay for the free tuitions at all the great state universities with something called a tax on wall street speculation. that sounds great. we'll screw the bad guys. but then i ask the people, what do you mean by a tax on wall street regulation? every dime you buy or trade $100 worth of stock you pay 50 cent or whatever, right? all of a sudden your 401(k), your mutual fund, everything your grandparents have invested in is now getting taxed as you go in the door. that doesn't sound like wall street regulation, it sounds like everybody going into the equity market. it sounds like a lot of taxing. >> she's right about the things when you dig down. she's trying to sell vegetables and bernie sanders is selling ice cream. and you'll feel terrible if you eat all the ice cream but for the moment it's good. >> everyone has a different idea of what wall street speculation
is. in a way it gets to be all things to all people but you use these words that people then get to define on their own. >> here's the number one irony of their time. everyone who hates people who make money off money. and everybody who begins to save wants better than the interest rate and they want somebody who can do it for them. i've had it thrown back to me. do you want something? yeah, you want something. when we return new numbers from the entrance polling so we'll know how people voted out here. the news will start flowing our way and steve kornacki will have it for us and we'll go back to the caucuses upstairs with some great reporting as the -- nobody else is doing this kind of reporting except us. anyway, the state of nevada, democratic caucuses today we'll have big results later in the day. the results between hillary clinton and bernie sanders unfortunately for those who want it resolved, who can't sustain their interest, too early to
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we're about to see the voters actually inside the new york new york hotel and casino break into groups now. this is how it works at the caucuses here and we'll go back to jacob soboroff in a minute but first we've got more information from the exit polls from the democratic caucuses. let's go back to chris at 30 rock. >> some interesting things we can show you right now. among white voters and right now we're looking at just over 60% of the voters in nevada, the caucusgoers saying they are white. >> say they are white. >> sanders taking a lead over clinton by eight points. also interestingly again in the early data here among hispanic voters, currently that's almost 20%, saying they are hispanic, bernie sanders leading by 11 points over hillary clinton among hispanic voters. we don't have a large enough sample on the entrance polls yet
to see how black voters are breaking down. that's a group that hillary clinton we've been seeing a lot of advantages for her with in a lot of the polling before this. and also a question in this entrance poll we're seeing a big divide here. this was a huge part of the debate between the candidates about whether the next president should continue president obama's policies or change policies, changed to more liberal policies, not surprisingly we're seeing a big split among the candidates those who want to continue the barack obama policy with hillary clinton and those wanting to change them an equally overwhelmingly margin with bernie sanders. >> i think it's funny having people say it's white or hispanic, of course, that's the way it's done. you don't look at the person and make the decision if you are registering people and take the poll. but the fact of the matter that's who they are. what do you make about the cross-references there about people and how they -- they line up with obama? is there any ethnic identification back and forth? >> well, we haven't -- we don't have enough numbers to be making those sorts of -- to be splitting it down that
specifically yet, but overall -- and, again, we stress they're early numbers, they can change, we'll see. but in 2008, we said this at the top of the show, hillary clinton's biggest advantage here in north dakota was latino voters. she beat barack obama by nearly 40 points among latino voters in the state in 2008. she may still as more data comes in do better with that group but right now with the early numbers at least, seeing bernie sanders ahead of her among latino voters that's a potentially big deal. >> yeah, and i just want to focus on that because we talked about it about a half hour ago. this is something that was brought up. if you are hispanic in a family of mixed status, where some people in the family, older generations are not here with papers, they're not -- they're not citizens and they're not voting. but the younger people are voting. they are voting on behalf of the whole family. that makes perfect sense. as a family. they're not happy, i'm told, with the progress of this administration in getting immigration reform. maybe it's not obama's fault but they're not happy with it. does that square with the numbers you're looking at?
>> it does in terms of the age gap. we showed you the numbers earlier, again, you look at voters under 45, we need more numbers to break it down more specifically to, like, 30 and under and those sorts of categories. but that basic split under 45 right now we're seeing here overwhelt mingly for bernie sanders and over 45 overwhelmingly for hillary clinton and when it's clear among age lines you'll start to see it break in different ethnic groups, too. >> wow, this is great reporting. i am joins by steve horsford from nevada and he led the barack obama caucus effort in 2008. congressman, run through. everything on your mind is beyond us because you've been through all this. i mean it, you've been through it and you have experience in discovering what happens in the caucuses. what do you make of the ethnic breakdowns and what we are getting right now and what it means towards' tu s attudes in administration? >> as steve reported on the break by age and the fact that
millennials really are looking for fundamental change. they feel like the political system is rigged against them. they feel like the economy is rigged against them. they're tired of all this big money controlling politics. at every level but particularly the federal level. and i think that's playing out here in these numbers. i think among african-americans in nevada, i know they are a strong base of support, but we cannot treat all african-americans as one monolithic group, particularly young african-americans who are expecting and, in fact, want to have more accountability from their elected officials, whether that be secretary clinton or senator sanders. they want to know what they're going to do for them going forward, not just what they've done in the past. >> how would you vote today if you were out there, congressman? >> well, i am uncommitted. and i am not supporting either candidate because i think that
they still have a lot more work to do. i have questions about senator sanders and the fact that he did not support the 2007 immigration reform bill. which i know he had concerns about and rightfully so, but those are questions that people should be asking. i know that secretary clinton, there's a lot of pressure on her to really talk to young people about her message and what she's planning to do for people going forward. yes, she has a strong record. yes, she's qualified. yes, she's experienced. we know all that. but what is it that you're going to do in your administration going forward. that's what i'm hearing from a lot of voters. and that's what i think we're going to see play out today in the nevada caucus. >> congressman, i would add one question about how are you going to deal with the republicans that will be there waiting for you? they'll be waiting for hillary. they'll be waiting for sanders. they'll be there to destroy their efforts and agenda, nothing in common with the republicans, so you're going to
face that battle. i would ask any politician running for president, work your way in a very partisan atmosphere in washington. you know better than i do. i love what you said about big money in politics and you would know a lot more than that having been through the wringer and knowing what it's like the self-funders and everything. thank you so much, former u.s. congressman steven horsford. let's go to jacob soboroff who is with the caucus upstairs here, it sounds so funny, it's new york new york a big hotel/casino out here, it's quite a place. he's upstairs with the voters. jacob? >> reporter: chris, i don't know if it's just as a former advanced guy, political advance guy, i don't know if it's good advance work by the democratic party or they got more people than expected but i was told and i think they got a bird's-eye view camera, but they took out seats because they thought more people with show up. people are sitting on the floor down in this area. they say the last people have come off the elevator and they are about ready to get to
caucus. take a look over here, it's just absolutely filled up with people. lots and lots as i said before hillary clinton shirts. the official business of the w caucus, what needs to happen before on behalf of the nevada democratic party is finished and so now all we are literally waiting for is for the last person to walk through that door and then -- maybe it's happening right now, chris, stand by, okay? >> well, we've just gotten word -- we've just gotten word by the way from mgm the employees get paid leave, three hours of paid leave to go to the caucuses so the employers are helping out our democracy today. that's good news. >> reporter: that's exactly right. chris, that announcement was also made here in the room, mgm is obviously the owner of the new york new york. it's a giant hotel across the street from here as well. and someone actually had heard me mention that i had heard that people may get penalized if
they're not back to work in time. that doesn't apply to every hotel. mgm in particular is allowing people as long as it takes to get out of this room in order to get back to work today. >> so, what can we tell so far about the activist level? can you tell, let's face it, we're all trying to figure out who is going to win out there. can you tell? >> reporter: to my eye, there's a lot of hillary clinton supporters here at this event. there's also a lot of folks from unions on both sides. the nurses union is here in support of bernie sanders. and then the commercial food, grocer workers here as well in support of hillary clinton. they have to go in what's called observer areas in this caucus location, so as i sort of navigate here to try to show you this, there's a little piece of tape that's on the floor right here, chris, and this is for observers. people that are not caucuses but are coming here to support the candidates and they are in this area to watch on behalf of the campaign but not to support and a lot of those folks are union members.
>> are you hearing people talk issues at all? jacob, are you hearing issues discussed or is it just enthusiasm for the name of a candidate? >> reporter: no, you absolutely are. and, in fact, what happens is before this process gets started the caucus chair stands up on the podium and reads a letter from each candidate and one moment in particular got a rousing response a letter from bernie sanders got a cheer talking about our gay brothers and sisters in the letter and there was a big round of applause, that moment in particular was one of the loudest ovations we've heard so far up here. >> you know, we'll have a very distinguished guest to my left any second now, but i love the way you are reporting out there. i think people are seeing something -- and just looking at the pictures now out there. we've never gotten to see before. we heard about caucuses. we've gotten entrance polls before, but i've never seen the process so dramatically displayed as we're doing on the program here and as we did in iowa. we'll be doing it again with the
later caucuses, thank you so much, again, and congratulations on the reporting. we've got joaquin castro from texas. san antonio, i believe. >> yes. >> san antonio, the city. what do you make of the caucus process out here? >> it was wonderful. being from texas, i've never caucused in a casino, but there was incredible energy. i worked the line at new york new york for hillary. i think at least there it seemed like she won about 60% of the vote. >> is that enough? this is her area here. >> well, no, it's a competitive race. and i heard it in the voices of the people, they were describing some of them, it was a tough. it was a legitimately tough decision for them. >> those clung dramatically to the president the last several weeks. i'm with him and this bernie guy, i'm not sure of his approach and the hispanic people are worried that they can't get immigration support, and is it hurting hillary clinton that the community hasn't gotten immigration reform in all these eight years? >> no. i think the latino community is
definitely frustrated, but for the most part i think they know where the blame lays. lies. with the republicans. with the house of representatives, that could have put that bill on the floor. >> sure. >> that passed the senate. >> boehner just said no to you guys. i'm not going to let you know even though you think it would have passed. >> it definitely would have passed. there were about 25 or 30 republicans who had gone on record saying they supported comprehensive reform if they had not followed the hastert rule -- >> it never existed before hastert and i'm not sure has territorihastert believed in it. >> and people wonder why there is so much gridlock in washington -- >> that's one reason. >> in the senate it's the filibuster. but in the house it's the hastert rule. >> now that we're talking hispanic politics on here everybody should remember that a dozen republican senators including people like lindsay graham and john mccain from arizona supported the comprehensive bill and it was a compromise bill. >> i think it was about 68 votes
which is not, you know, just by the skin of its teeth, i mean, that's a solid majority. and they didn't put it on the floor for a vote, you know, and hillary clinton i believe is somebody who will get in there as president and continue to fight. she'll use her executive power to do everything that she can to expand the rights of immigrants. >> i want to bring in these folks to my right, my fellow colleagues if that's redundant. but let's ask about this issue. let's talk hispanic vote here we are in the city of las vegas which has so many people -- when you walk around, everyone you meet, a lot of hispanics, it's amazing. >> immigration is a top issue for latinos but the other big issue the economy -- >> what do you think about the economy? >> they keep talking about college education. of course, that's one of the issues. >> that's aspirational. >> it's one of the issues senator sanders is talking about but it's sticking. >> what do you think about the person saying you want to go to unlv or the university of texas,
free, that's a great offer. if you are making 40 a year and scraping by and paying your bills and you have a bunch of kids coming along and they all have good grades in high school and the only thing keeping them from a good college is the price of going. >> yeah. no, listen, we know that hillary has an incredible battle to make sure college is affordable. that's especially important to the latino community because it is an aspiring community in america. >> i know. >> a community making its way up the socioeconomic ladder, so it is something that's very important. but i think what she's done has resonated with them also. >> you know -- go ahead. i want to ask about this crazy thing about the word "socialism", you know? growing up it was never seen as communist. communists -- socialists were the bet enemies that communisms have in the world and they fight it is tooth and nail, including all the countries that we really like including moderate democracies. i also think people come here from latin america have a very bad experience with government generally. they are not big believers in
big government, you know, they've seen some pretty lousy governments. >> certainly they have been burned with the governments over the years. there >> and does it have any resonance when he says i'm a socialist democratic? >> in terms of day >> it didn't come up too much today, honestly, the labels. but yeah, historically there have been countries in latin america from which people have need, countries that were torn by war. there was a gentleman, a cuban-american who fled cuba, and i asked him now, you know, are you going to plan and visit and go back, and he said no, he's glad he left and he's glad he's here in the united states. so certainly i think it's a concern for some folks. but what i really found in this line today of people going to caucuses, people care about the issues. they were very thoughtful about things like the economy, criminal justice reform, health care, education. so it was very heartening to see, and most of all i thank them for voting, because our participation rates all over the country have lagged in recent
years. so i said, thank you for going out and voting. >> kasie hunt? >> those issues, that's really what's animating the sanders campaign as well. that's where a lot of their energy comes from. they're focused overall on exactly what you were just talking about. the more that focus is laser-sharp, the better off the sanders campaign is. i think the question is going to be on this latino vote question, even if this contest is so, so close in the end, even if hillary clinton comes out just axi axial on top, if bernie sanders's numbers with latinos are solid and he varied hey, i made inroads in a community that isn't just young, isn't just white, looks like the way the democratic party looks, that's going to be pretty significant, regardless of the overall top line. the question will be what happens when we get to texas and where do you see latinos in texas. >> hillary is still doing well there, up by about 20 points.
more and more the latino community is getting a feeling for bernie's history with immigration. he voted against the immigration reform bill in 2007. he voted on a bill or an amendment that essentially loud for unlimited detention, when we think about detention centers and the number of beds, people being kept. there is an upside to people not knowing your record that allows you to gain popularity without being scrutinized a lot. but as people learn your record, they can find some troubling things about it. >> is it astounding for all of us involved that in ten days we're going to have 11 states vote on one day, including your state? >> absolutely. >> it's going to be such a tsunami of voting. let's go back to jacob.
>> reporter: chris, it's jacob, i'm in the room right now. i'm trying to check this out. they're about to get under way with the caucus process. people are going to split up into preference groups. that's the vice chair of the nebraska democratic party. they're bringing in big shots for these at-large caucuses because so many people from different locations are a part of this process. if you walk with me for one second, all these people have their preference cards, right? so all these people that have gotten up and have moved over here, have not moved into their purchasers group yet. but they've shown up to the location because they have a ticket to caucus. it is called a ticket or a caucus ticket to allow them to participate in this process. as these people move to this area, they're now going to be instructed -- i don't want to go beyond the line they've asked me not to go beyond, but the caucus chairperson has asked them to go
to the preference groups for their candidates. the wheels of democracy are starting to go in motion here. >> i think the question is, we're trying to figure out how these processes are going to lead today. i was asking kristen whether hillary clinton is going to stick around for the results, apparently not, she's already left. this is one tricky bit of business. can you tell, jacob, from the voters who are voting, do they know how close this is going to be, the results out here? >> reporter: i think everybody feels like this is vocabulagoin very, very close. people seem -- i wouldn't say nervous but people seem very excited out here. just to the point of hillary clinton leaving, these things are not wrapped up yet. i don't know if she's going to come out and say, whether she wins or loses, thank you, i love nevada, just like she did in iowa, and head out. there's no way they're going to be able to get this stuff counted and tabulated and on the
website in time, at least from my advantage point. >> you mean we're not going to get information -- explain that again, the process of finding out who won here and how it's going to resonate with the two candidates. >> reporter: so what ends up happening, chris, is there's a website. it's a website and there's a voice vote. i'm getting shh'd, sorry about that. there's a vote that ends up happening. people move into their preference groups. after those preference groups are selected, this caucus share, maureen from the nebraska state party, is going to call in using an automated voice system, the tabulation by party. those will go up on the website and be listed there. until they're all certified and official by the state party, the results are not official. so again, to me it doesn't sound like hillary clinton, secretary clinton is going to stick around to wait for those results.
>> thank you so much, jacob, reporting out there actually from upstairs here. i've got to tell you, while we have a moment here, this is an amazing experience out here, because at the same time, tourists are here and las vegas is packed with visitors. last night i came out of seeing "jersey boys," which i recommend seeing if you have a chance, this place is like new york city, times square on a weekend night, so many people out here having fun. in the midst of this enjoyment and gabblimbling, i suppose, democracy is happening right here on the las vegas strip. these guys, according to mgm, these workers we see all the time, the concierges, the chamber maids, all these people got three hours off to go vote in the caucuses. these jobs are tough work, a lot of hours, not a lot of money. they're taking the time to go
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