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>> i love my first cup of coffee. >> i haven't had mine yet. i'm a naturally perky person. >> you've always woke up early. >> yes. but not 4:15 a.m. >> who is the surprise editorial writer of the "washington post," jonathan capehart. and white house correspondent, sam stein. he's not a morning person. >> not at all. >> correspondent for the associated press julia case and columnist for the bloomberg view al hunt. >> my mother in her 84 years said the happiest day of her life speaking of jonathan being an early riser, is when i learned to pour my own cereal at 5:00 because i would always wake up at 5:00. this is much easier for me to do than 9:00 shows. >> we have really really -- >> some crazy news. >> i don't know how to describe this newscast. >> documentary a few weeks back. >> yes. >> on robert durst, did he --
looked like he killed these people but he had gotten away with it all this times. an article that his brother said, boom the breaking news yesterday across the iphone. >> yep. we've got a lot of politics to get to in just a minute by firstbut first, we begin with this documentary about a murder proving real life may be stranger than fiction. less than 24 hours ago new york real estate heir robert durst was arrested and is now i faing a charge of capital murder in the death of a friend in 2000. truz chalked up to new leads in evidence. some apparently in an hbo series examining his connections to two deaths and his wife's disappearance. the final episode of "the jinx" delivered a final scene more shocking than most scripted series. apparent confession from durst as he appears to be talking to himself in the bathroom while his microphone is still on.
>> there it is. you're caught. you're right, of course. but you can't imagine. i'm having difficulty with the question. what the hell did i do? killed them all, of course. >> oh, my god. >> wow. >> nbc stephanie gosk -- >> prosecutors would call that pretty good evidence. >> -- has more on how this serious helped put the durst investigation back in the spotlight. >> reporter: robert durst, heir
to a multibillion dollar real estate fortune sits in a new orleans jailhouse awaiting extradition to california accused of a murder committed over a decade ago. this from his own brother. we are relieved and also grateful to everyone who assisted in the arrest of robert does. we hope he will finally be held accountable for all he has done. christmas eve 2000 susan berman was killed execution style in her l.a. home. at the time investigators may have suspected the now 71-year-old, but there was no arrest. berman was durst's best friend and confidante. he denies murdering her in hbo series "the jinx." >> they were able to put you in california. >> california is a big state. >> reporter: the documentary re-examines the crime along with two others. the disappearance of durst's first wife in 1982 and the murder of durst's neighbor in
texas. could durst have murdered them all? in 2003 a text jury found durst not guilty of the murder of morris black. he admitted to killing his neighbor and dismembering his body but argued it was self-defense. >> based on the evidence that was presented to us there was reasonable doubt. >> reporter: now durst faces another murder trial, after his lawyers warned him not to take part in the documentary. >> they said a zillion times, you can't help yourself. right now you're a free man 100%. you say something inadvertently and you find yourself charged in new york or charged in los angeles. >> reporter: the series uncovers new evidence including a letter addressed to susan berman from durst. the handwriting and misspelling look hauntingly similar to an anonymous letter sent to police telling her where to find her body. >> they're going to need something substantial to hang their hat on. is the information and the testimony of inconsistent
statements and some handwriting samples enough to convict a person. >> reporter: whatever happens in the courtroom the spotlight is back on robert durst, in part his own doing. >> yep, and durst admitted, don't do it not smart. you'll end up arrested again. he was right. >> fascinating story but i am going to win the bet. >> okay. now to ferguson missouri, where attorney general eric holder is praising the swift arrest in connection with last week's shooting of two police officers. a massive manhunt in the city this weekend led to the arrest of 20-year-old jeffrey williams. williams was charged sunday with two counts of first degree assault. police say he has admitted to firing the shots that left two officers wounded. let's bring in nbc news correspondent sarah live in ferguson. sarah, what more can you tell us about the investigation at this point that led to the arrest? >> reporter: well, good morning. officials had remained tight
lipped about the investigation until yesterday and now they are saying it was tips from the public that led to this arrest information both activists and police are praising. now, williams, like you said has allegedly acknowledged that he fired the shot. authorities say they have recovered a gun that matches the shell casings found here at the scene. what is still being questioned is whether williams was actually firing at officers. he has said some things that authorities are looking at that he may have been involved in a dispute earlier in the evening and may have been aiming at somebody involved in that altercation. meanwhile, u.s. attorney general eric holder releasing a statement that reads in part, quote, the arrest sends a clear message that acts of violence against our law enforcement personnel will never be tolerated. the swiftness of this action is the credit to the significant cooperation between federal authorities and the st. louis county police department. now, immediately following the news of the arrest yesterday a crowd gathered here at the ferguson police department, they
stayed a couple hours but disbursed by late afternoon. we had a relatively quiet night overnight. meanwhile, the two officers who were shot continue to recover at home. officials say they are most certainly doing better not worse. back to you guys. >> thankfully. sarah, what do we know about the suspect in terms of his background and if he was, indeed, a protester? >> reporter: yeah, he is a 20-year-old man from this area. they were unsure if it was exactly ferguson or unincorporated st. louis county. they say he had been here as part of the demonstration earlier in the night and he had appeared at previous demonstrations. however, that tight knit grow up of core demonstrators say they do not recognize him. how involved he was is another question they are looking at. they do stress this is an on going investigation. >> all right. sars a dallof thank you so much. >> ron allen had a report saying he was a protester and had the
cops also saying that he had been at a lot of these events. i guess the question is though if he wasn't shooting at the police officers, one of whom who he hit in the head and the other he hit in the shoulder what was he doing? >> yeah. >> like shooting birds? >> that seems like grasping. >> he was on a hill. wasn't he on a hill? >> up on a hill. >> up on a hill. wildly errant shots that hit targets. all right. let's move on here to iran. officials are indicating that the u.s. and iran are getting closer to an historic but controversial nuclear agreement as a new round of talks begin today. american and european officials say the key sticking points include how soon u.n. sanctions are removed and how inspections are conducted. secretary of state john kerry yesterday said the remaining obstacles are mostly political. but he's also warning a potential deal could be effected by 47 republican senators who sent that controversial letter to iran.
>> the effect and the intent of the author was to basically say, don't do this deal and by the way, that's to say that before there even is a deal. i mean it's like you know giving people a grade on a test before the test is even written, let alone given. >> are you going to apologize for this letter? >> not on your life. i'm not going to apologize for the -- for an unconstitutional and unthought out action by somebody that's been in the united states senate for 60 something days. that's just inappropriate. >> wow. nearly one week later the man who wrote that letter republican senator tom cotton says he still has no regrets. >> are you planning to contact any other of our adversaries around the country, for example, do you plan to check with the north koreans to make sure that they know that any deal has to be approved by the congress? >> bob, right now i and most
every other senator is focused on stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. that's why it was so important that we communicated this message straight to iran because they're not hearing it from genevatlemen nefevea geneva. we sent a clear message to a dictorial regime. we told them the american people, 71% of the american people in a recent poll will not accept a deal that puts iran in the path to a nuclear weapon. >> all right. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will also not apologize saying it was appropriate to warn iran that congress must be involved. no it wasn't. >> i didn't see that in the script. >> no, let me just -- did you love bob schieffer's question? seriously. who else does he want to send a letter to? >> book of the month club? we could have a letter of the month. seven sail la after that. >> a little wet behind the ears. >> tom cotton proving a sense of humor started to smirk.
>> i don't think that was humor. >> brought up north korea. so, al we keep hearing about how unprecedented this is. john kerry even told it unconstitutional. we remember what happened in 1984 with democrats writing letters to ortega. this doesn't happen that much but when it does the other side appropriately raise hell. >> yeah i don't think it's unconstitutional. i don't know how john kerry, you know gets that. it was stupid. >> it was stupid. >> john mccain says the weather was bad. i mean you know it's really hot when your do dumb things. i think there is, you know a lot of signers' regret right now but those who orchestrated it cotton, mcconnell. my real criticism is not of tom cotton, he's a freshman. mitch mcconnell let it happened. howard baker and bob doyle would
not have let that letter occur. >> never. >> the white house still has a lot of respect for mitch mcconnell. you talk to them off the record they will say, listen he's tough but he gets things done. when he gives you his word he keeps his word, unlike john boehner. i think the white house has to be surprised mcconnell got involved in a freshman letter. that's what freshmen do. i speak for myself. i did some really stupid letters my freshman year. it's one thing for me to do it. it's another thing if the majority leader signed it. >> if it was just done by tom cotton and a handful of senators you would have had a different reaction. the fact you had 47 senators people like mitch mcconnell signing on to this. the frustration you heard in john kerry's voice if you talk to administration officials privately, that is not just frustration that is intense anger. frustrated that mcconnell who says he wants to govern as majority leader would sign on to something like that. >> what a backlash over the last week. backlash has really grown against this letter to the point where i am sure most of those
people would not have signed on. >> yeah i think the backlash is on what it's done or possibly done to the negotiations that's happening. i think secretary kerry is right. they're writing a letter about a deal that hasn't even been done yet. they're racing to get it done. you have people who are looking at this as being an incredibly -- an incredible sign of disrespect. not just to president obama but to the presidency itself. >> the one-two punch of -- for instance if you just asked me about netanyahu, it's happened before. he can show up. the letter you ask me about the letter taken apart, the letter, you know what, freshman do stuff like that. it was stupid. but there's something about those two actions in tandem together a couple of weeks apart that i must agree with a lot of really smart writers at your paper and "the new york times" that taken together stop
smirking, mika. >> i was waiting for you to agree with me. but that's okay. >> no i won't agree with you. but you should read these columns. they were really smart. but taken together i do think it has a really toxic mix about how dysfunctional the united states of america is right now. >> yeah. and when you -- you know when you talk to folks inside the administration privately, they say, you know just when you think you can't get any lower it does. the bar is so low on conduct in this city and in this -- yeah in this city that at this point and if you're doing the limbo, only an ant would be able to get under the bar at this point. >> all right. >> all right. we got a lot more to cover. we've got benjamin netanyahu's elections we're going to be getting in to and much more. but let's go on and three british girls, also. you heard about that story. but let's go to break because we have so much to cover throughout the course of the hour that i
want sam stein to get enough time to talk. >> really? >> so his mother doesn't get mad at me. still ahead on "morning joe," we have a member of the armed services committee senator claire mccaskill. >> you know she's going to call me. >> i was upset because earlier in this hour you said i was a cat person and that is a deep insult. >> you're not a cat person? >> i'm a dog man. >> oh, no. >> no, this is the most insulting you've ever been to me. >> oh, wow. >> there is nothing wrong with being a cat person. >> there's a lot wrong with being a cat person. >> i have two cats. >> i'm sorry. you guys are weird people. >> i'm with you. coming up we've got senator claire mccaskill is going to be with us on the set and she's going to talk to us about the fight against isis and the tensions back in her home state. plus where in the world is vladimir putin? >> i'm wondering. >> mika has some extraordinary background information that we cannot say on air. how about that for a tease? >> i'm working on confirmation.
keir simmons joins us from london about the russian leader who has been mia for days. jeb bush takes a shot at scott walker for flip-flopping. of course, kasie hunt is right in the middle of -- >> troublemaker. >> she just wants to know. plus on tomorrow's show republican senator ted cruz of texas joins us onset. i'm telling mika mind yours ps and qs. >> oh, no. >> right now bill karins has a check on the forecast. >> we could hit 70 in washington, d.c. we're going to talk cherry blossoms in a couple of weeks here. the big story, boston. you had snow yesterday again. and now you're officially in the record books. there's no one alive in boston that has seen more snow than what you have seen this winter. we broke the all-time record. 108.6 inches and we're only in mid march. it usually snows once or twice more in boston. we could do that this upcoming weekend.
besides new england's misery the rest of the country is beautiful. it was a warm record-breaking warm weekend. 92 in long beach. 88 in l.a. these are all record highs. denver set a record high. we were 84 degrees in nebraska. mid 80s. the warmest it's ever been this early in the season for these parts of nebraska. and even our friends in fargo where mid 70s. ridiculous. it continues today but fire danger is high in oklahoma. windy and 80 degrees. fire danger? we're still mid march. 78 in st. louis. near 70 in d.c. we'll try to sneak warmth towards new york city but even new england unfortunately for you it looks to be chilly all week long. and i may even have to talk about some snow in new england come this upcoming weekend. that's days down the line. let's not deal with that right now. we'll leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. where it's going to be a beautiful day. to eat that lunch outdoors. enjoy. "morning joe" will be right back.
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all right. let's take a look now at the morning papers. reuters, venezuela's president maduro has been given power to rule by decree for the remainder of 2015. known as the enabling law, the ruling was granted by the venezuelan parliament in response of u.s. sanctions on seven venezuelan officials. they believe the laws is an attempt to distract people from the country's economic issues. sunday's ruling marks the second time maduro has been given decree power since being elected in 2013. >> al things have changed in venezuela over the past couple of years. the price of oil going down is just shattered that country economically. >> economic basket case. no improvement in sight as long as oil stays where it is. and a poorly governed state but any time cotton has some possibility --
>> yes. he should write a letter about tin investigation. we want their oil, right? >> uh-huh. >> just like your brother wants to invade can nathat for the oil. let's go to the l.a. times. runners face an up hill battle as a record breaking heat pounded the city for the third straight day. sent at least 36 participants to the hospital. paramedics attended to 185 people along the route due to the unseasonably warm temperature. it was reaching over 90 degrees yesterday. it's going to be a high there today. that's 20 degrees higher than average for this time of year. marathon organizers say a special cooling stations including air-conditioned buses and hoses spraying water to assist more than 22,000 runners. they had that right outside the studio at 30 rock for me when i go up between steps. the race start was also moved up by 30 minutes in favor of cooler temperatures. >> smart. the chicago tribune. new poll shows mayor emanuel
holding a double. digit lead over chuy garcia. the results mark the first time since emanuel has a majority of supporters backing him for a second term. emanuel has 51% con compared to 37% for garcia 11% remain undecided. tribune says mounting support from african-american voters is crucial to emanuel's uptick in the polls. the run up to the election will be held on april 7th. >> speaking of city government, i read a remarkable story in the "washington post" a couple weeks ago. maybe it was last week, jonathan capehart, the demographic makeup of d.c. is changing and it's going to impact elections around here. >> you know remember this is a majority democratic city for -- >> no. >> yeah, for a while. guaranteed in d.c. >> serious? >> but it's also -- but it's also a majority african-american city at least it was.
the demographic trend is that this whatmajority african-american city is going to be sort of like new york. this -- gorgeous mosaic of people from all over the place in this one spot. and so it could have impact on particularly mayor's races, city council races. >> is it more of an international influx is it more of a wide influx is it a mix? what's moving? >> i think it's an influx of whites into the city. remember, like a lot of urban areas after the '60s there was white flight. people left. but now cities are in again and people are moving back in. the city has changed a lot. the people want to live here. there's construction all over the place. >> everywhere. >> restaurants exploding. >> changing the city since i left in 2001 and then came back in 2009. i hardly recognized parts. >> you can see it happening in realtime. neighborhoods that even two or
three years ago people were staying away from now are selling million dollar houses and restaurants are moving in. it's really incredible the speed. >> al -- >> when i first came here if you said 14th and u that means you were going to get killed. now my kid will say he's going out to a drink or a restaurant and he'll say 14th and u and i still cringe. but it's a trendy place. >> it's funny you say that where do you live? any time u comes up i go -- >> yeah. it's really changed. >> all i would say is if another small plate restaurants opens up on 14th street i'm going to scream. >> okay. small plates. >> i want a full platter. >> okay. we have -- who in the world could legitimately accuse us of being in the east coast elitist news program. the guardian, the team of saddam hussein was demolished sunday between clashes of isis and iraqi forces fighting for
control of the late dictator's hometown of tikrit. shia militia official claims isis militants set a trap by placing explosives around hussein's mausoleum. last year's body was removed by supporters who feared it might be dams amid clashes and where abouts are unknown. meanwhile, three british teen ablers out on bail after allegedly trying to join isis. officials say they were caught in turkey and returned to the united kingdom. nbc's bill neely has more on how these teens were caught and why this troubling trend continues of young girls from the west wanting to join the barbaric movement. >> reporter: good morning, joe. two 17-year-old boys from london and a 19-year-old man also from the uk were detained in istanbul after a tipoff from britain that they were trying to join isis in syria. they were deported back to the uk where they were arrested by police on suspicion of preparing
acts of terrorism. police would really like to know more about the network that recruited them. none has so far being charged and they are still being questioned p. this comes just weeks after three other british teens. two girls aged 15 and a 16-year-old girl disappeared from that homes in london. they were pictured on cctv at a london airport, then they were seen again in istanbul boarding a bus for the border with syria. and it's now thought they are with isis in syria. they were not stopped. it brought a huge rouse between police and turkey and britain about who was responsible for that failure. they are still missing and their families remain distraught. in the case of the three boys they didn't reach syria, but this case once again illustrates the deadly magnet that isis is also the difficulty authorities have from stopping people trying to join it. back to you, joe.
>> all right. thank you so much bill. that is horrifying. again, you just wonder what teenager sits in their room and goes, you know what? i'm living in london. i think i want to hang out with isis. >> no. >> and be brutalized and probably killed at the end. it's hard for us to imagine it. still ahead, jeb bush and scott walker look to stake out ground in new hampshire over the weekend. kasie hunt was there every step of the way. we're back in just a moment.
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it is 32 past the hour. last weekend the in iowa. this weekend the top tier of likely republican candidates for president was new hampshire. a small state that wasn't big enough for the two candidates currently atop the polls. msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt reports. >> thanks so much for doing this. this is my inaugural voyage. >> reporter: it's been 15 years since jeb bush campaigned in new hampshire. >> it was a blast watching people from miami get accustomed to at the time i think in manchester, it was like 20 grease. >> reporter: now a year away from the 2016 primary bush is fully embracing the state's political traditions. at ease taking question after question, from business leaders, voters, and reporters. >> the definition of
pre-existing condition needs to be looked at. these are really kind of conversations on a friday night in beautiful new hampshire. >> reporter: bush had company in the granite state. joining him were rick perry, ted cruz, and scott walker who's neck and neck with bush in the polls. scott walker is also here in new hampshire today and he called himself a possible frunt runner. do you think that's a premature assessment? how do you judge it? >> well, i'm not a candidate. maybe he is i don't know. but i'm -- you can't be a front runner until you start running. >> reporter: they might not officially running and it's a crowded field but it's clear walker was focused squarely on bush. >> i think to beat a name for the past we need a name for the future. i think a new fresh face writes a great contrast to hillary clinton. >> reporter: walker held just one public event in two days in new hampshire. but he took on plenty of opposition. protesters trailed him to his speech in concorde. >> i think he should go back to wisconsin and stay there. >> reporter: and rivals accused him of changing his positions on
a long list of issues. >> just a narrative from other campaigns. we have a strong reputation of keeping our word. the only major issue out there is immigration. we listen to the people. >> reporter: is scott walker a flip-flopper? >> i don't -- i don't -- i don't know what he is. >> thanks guys. >> with almost a year to do go the presidential field is sure to change too. none of the 2016 republicans have competed hard in new hampshire before leaving the primary as wide open as it's ever been. >> i was a front-runner. three of the most glorious hours of my life. we may have a handful of front-runners more before the new hampshire primary gets here. >> delicious. >> you've -- i'm sorry. you've got to love rick perry. three most glorious hours of my life. >> senior writer for the "weekly standard" jock mccormack. >> how are conservatives breaking down new hampshire
right now? >> jeb and walker are the top of the top, only high teens. there's a lot of time left before we're in prime time. i think we're going to find out in debates if walker can hold his on and show everyone he can go all the way. >> yeah. >> how volatile is this field? is this one of the most open gop races we've ever seen? >> definitely. a real front-runner is george w. bush in 2000 60% or 70%. jeb at 19% or 18%, that's not a true front-runner. you have a wide open field. >> and now you agree with a lot of people, "washington post" had a article in showed numbers, that showed just how vulnerable jeb bush was when you really dug down the questions they wanted. >> he has higher negatives than any of the republicans other than donald trump and chris christie. in new hampshire, you're going to have a hoard of independents who vote in that republican primary which totally changes the dynamics.
and walker bush paul or any of them can navigate those two places, they deserve the nomination. >> harold it's perfect to you. new hampshire independent would read your -- a lot of your columns and go -- >> let's hope. >> yeah, hey, that makes a lot of sense. three of the most glorious readers you've ever had, right? so -- but you are writing things that elizabeth warren would agree with but also as i'm finding more and more as i go out and talk to republican group, conservative groups starting to hear about conservatives being angry about the rich getting richer the poor getting poorer the middle class getting squeezed. how big of a roll could that have if somebody on the right or the left talked about some of these views? >> i think it would have a major role because what we're seeing is the funneling of money basically to major shareholders major stockholders. so-called activist investor '. what a activist investors want
is the corporations to give more money essentially to them and much less money is being spent on things corporations used to spend money on like research and development, new technology expansion. the figures are clear that more money is going to investors and ultimately it's coming from workers and the kind of things corporations did. >> so i tweeted out that column that you wrote and my question was, is the u.s. eating its seed corn? the very things -- corporations used to make a lot of money, reinvest, do it in research now there's a pressure from the shareholders, give them all the money. how much has research and development and investment in the future dropped over the past couple decades? >> well, there's one survey from the information technology foundation or some such which shows that it's -- that basically it's dropped to like one half of 1% compared to what it was when it was 2% or 3% in the preceding decades.
it's a major drop. >> sam? >> well, it's not just private. i mean nih budgets have remained stagnant next to inflation over a decade. purchasing power is about 23% what it was ten years a i go. and sequestration is about to hit again and that can make it even worse. to your earlier point about republicans taking on the sort of populous field, i was at the international firefighters union events last week and republican candidates came and spoke. ted cruz got up there and he started talking about two americas one america fell off and one for the not well off. i was like i've heard this before. it was john edwards famous, two americas. they've adopted this rhetorical approach. i don't know if they can pull it off in the way they want to do it but they are certainly aware of it as politically powerful. >> they're starting to talk about it, but what i found is i've been saying it for some time. but then when i talk to republican leaders, okay hey, what do you think about warren buffett's idea the billionaires shouldn't pay 14% taxes when their secretaries -- what if we have a minimum tax of 25%?
oh i don't want to talk about carried interest. what about breaking up the banks, too big too fail has gotten bigger. why don't we reform shareholder laws? why don't we make sure that ceos -- they won't follow you down a single one of those paths. right now it seems like it's all talk. >> right wing populous is going to have a different flavor. walkler talk about he took on the big labor unions tax reform in a way that's going to spur growth. i think that he really needs to harness that and the themes he's running right now all work against hillary clinton and jeb bush. he's an outsider. they're the insider. he's the future. they're the past. >> the pop lymph that's going to work is going to be the populism that goes after the inequities of wall street and the ineptness of big government. it can't just be big government or big business. it's got to be both right? >> right. which is why the democrats need a government reform program and
platform to get them credibility. this is something that democratic pollster dan greenberg has argued to get them the credibility to say, okay, but we are going to go after and they can do it more credibly than the republicans, god knows, where the big money is and where it's not trickling down at all. >> al? populism can a candidate go after big government and wall street? >> joe, i think harold is right. if you're a republican and you want to have credibility, you have to first say i've got credibility on business and ceos making the kind of outrageous pay they make and some of the share shareholders. that gives you more credibility to go after government programs. if you're a democrat you're not going to get that credibility to go after some of those businesses and some of those financial issues unless you first embrace some kind of -- >> do republicans have to fight crony capitalism if they're going -- >> john mccormack, harold meyerson, thank you for being on. up next there are american
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not as an office all u.s. adviser but as a lone volunteer. >> i'm just here to help get rid offize sis, to hit them where it hurts, in the root. >> is that what you're doing? >> that's what we're doing. there are people being raped, beheaded, enslaved executed thrown off of buildings. i'm not cool with that. >> reporter: jeremy from mississippi is a retired u.s. soldier who served in iraq. he's back another volunteer. >> how is it as an american to be fighting isis? >> it's something that needs to be done because isis they're a cancer to the world. if it us then't stop here it's going to keep on spreading. >> that was nbc's bill neely reporting from tikrit. joining us now codirector and senior fellow of the trans national threats project for the center for strategic and international study, thomas sanderson. good to have you on this morning. >> thank you. >> who are these people? where are they coming from? >> well, this is an interesting group of people who are strongly motivated. want to make a difference but i
think it's only going to make a very small marginal difference depending on where they go and what they're able to do but certainly something noteworthy. >> and noble. >> what is -- what's your best -- best view of what's going on right now with isis? one week we hear that they're in retreat. everybody is squabbling about to turn guns on each other. they're shooting deserts. the next week we hear that they like have ganged antarctica or something. >> it's conflicting headlines. >> sure. over time any group is going to have its troubles and its fishers and we're seeing some of those right now. certainly we've seen with hamas when you take territory and you control it haven't actually govern it having of collect the garbage, keep the water running and electricity flowing it's very difficult. added in to this for isis you have 20,000 foreign volunteers from 90 countries. imagine trying to integrate that and make sure things are 00 i
can dory are the locals. >> that appears one of the greatest splits. it seems like there's always been distrust with the locals and foreign fighters. foreign fighters come in and bigfoot them. it seems to me it's going to happen. they're going to learn the same thing the united states learned, same thing the russians learned in afghanistan. at the end of the day the foreigners lose. >> they do. and some of them are starting to go home and some of them are being killed attempting to go home. you have some that are providing intelligence for us. so we are seeing good developments on our side but i think it is far too early to start to say anything about the deg gre dags and successes that we hope for against isis. >> you know they can't maintain territory. they can't collect the garbage. they can't pay those foreign soldiers unless their resources are growing. what's happening to their resources? >> let's look at what they been able to do from the outset and that is to establish what effectively is a local portfolio of funding. and this is extortion, kidnapping the theft and sale
of antiquities, the oil control of the granerys. >> the oil is drying up now, though, right? >> yes. >> bombing to pipelines. >> true. at the beginning they had access to 80,000 barrels a day. that's dropped significantly. don't forget when they went into mosul in june last year oil was at $104 a barrel. >> that's -- also the kidnappings, to understand how things are drying up and they don't have the money they had. quid nappings also. westerners are not wandering into syria? >> no prospects are lower on the economic side but they are able to go to different places for funding. >> you -- first of all, we should give them antarctica, as joe said. leave the middle east. you hinted a little while ago that they might have -- we might have intelligence officials embedded or that we might be having or getting intel from within isis. is that true? to what extent are we getting good information to the inside and to what extent is that helping our fight? >> it's certainly helping our fight to the extent it's
happening. we do know that people are providing information to others who are on the outside and were able to exploit that intelligence. not nearly the same level we had when we were inside iraq. but certainly some benefits here. >> jonathan? >> fast. the americans going over and fighting against isis who are they working with? they fly over and where do they go? >> some of them have contacted individuals in the peshmerga in northern iraq contacted facilitators p they have been there before. they have contacts. they have a network that was there. certainly people are very happy to have them come in depending on which group you're talking about. i don't think it's any trick for rm toer u.s. soldier to get in there just as it's not a trick for three girls from the uk to get in there. >> thomas anderson thank you so much. >> thank you thomas. coming up why a piece of property in florida could cost marco rubio some problems as the eyes of presidential bid. mike allen has that in the politico playbook. much more ahead on "morning joe." [ hoof beats ] i wish... please,
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. are you planning to contact any other of oured a ver sars around the country? are you planning to check with the north koreans to make sure they know that any deal has to be approved by the congress? >> bob, right now i am most every other senator is focused on stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. that's why it's so important that we communicated this message straight to iran because they're not hearing it from geneva. what we did was to send a clear message to a dictorial regime.
we didn't coddle them. we told them the american people, 71% of the american people in a recent poll will not accept a deal that puts iran on the path to a nuclear weapon. >> i appreciate that but he actually told them a lot of other things that real i didn't need to be told. welcome back to "morning joe." live in washington. i love bob schieffer's question. that absolutely krystalizing the stupidity and really like the toddler like quality that exists in the senate. >> toddler? >> he's a toddler. he's a toddler. yes, he is. >> he's a united states senator -- >> who has made himself into a fool. >> -- actually has 71% of americans on his side. listen mika, if you want to mock and ridicule 71% of americans -- >> i'm not. >> -- it makes me sad. >> i'm not. >> but i understand unlike 71% of americans, you spend your weekends in the south of france you have your driver and your bentley going around.
don't say it -- >> someone needs a binky. >> mika you're being disrespectful. >> wasn't saying tom cotton. >> i think you're being really disrespectful of a guy i like and i think a guy you like. >> i like him. >> just because there's -- okay. this is really -- i think we got to -- pull back. >> push the reset button. >> apologize to tom cotton right now. >> no, i think we're good. >> for calling him a toddler? >> i think this was really -- it was really immature. >> what if i called a democratic senator a toddler and said he needed a binky. >> i think you've done worse. the binky was for you, just for the record. >> oh. that's fine. >> we have the washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay and april ryan back she's the author of the new book "the patsy in black and white, my up close view of three presidents
and race in america." we move on from the letter. >> al hunt a lot of talk about that letter. at the end of the day does it have a significant impact in the negotiations or is it much ado about nothing? >> i suspect it doesn't but the fear that i think some have is that the other side the iranians have their crazies, too, and that this will emboldened their crazies. i don't know if that's the case though. i don't think it's affects the american negotiations at all. i think the general sense is i'm not going to call anybody a toddler but it was a dumb thing to do. >> and katty, it does one thing of two things i think. either emboldens the crazies in iran to see, say, we can't make a deal, or it does what we were saying last week for clinton and gingrich every time they got in a deadlock they would point back at people like me in the house. i'm dead serious. gingrich would say i've got kay zis, s crazies, help me out here.
meet me halfway. it could be hurtful or a great service to john kerry. >> none of us know what's happening around that table because it's only those people and remarkably for washington there have been few leak on these negotiations so we don't know how close or how not close they are. 14 days left to go until they come up with this framework. i think the other thing that it does, though is, remember this is not just america negotiating. this is the p5 plus 1 negotiating. and some of them particularly the french and the germans and the brits are looking at washington at the moment saying this isn't very functional guys. i mean we need a stronger negotiating partner if we're going to be sitting there at the table. public letters to the adversary are not very helpful. >> we heard chuck todd last week say, if you just talk about the united states and iran that's small ball. there are five other countries involved
involved. at the end of the day this is about united states and iran. >> at the end of the day it is about united states and iran but you have to remember the world community is coming together and they do want the best deal and what the best deal is we don't know but they're still working for that best deal. even israel netanyahu said they want the best deal. so what that best deal is we don't know but we have to also remember going back to the crazy issue we still don't know as much about iran as we would like to know. so we have to be -- we have to be careful and what we send to iran with their crazies and our crazies because it could wind up being a whole crazy situation. because we just don't know enough about iran still as of yet. >> you're right. i've got to ask everybody around the table this question. does anybody real myly believe for a second that barack obama is not going to come back with a deal at this point 14 days out, anybody? if it's kentucky against the field, i'm taking kentucky. if it's a deal against no deal i'm taking a deal. i would be stunned if barack obama didn't come back with a deal because he desperately
wants that deal. >> i agree but i think there will be an extension. i don't think it will happen march 24th. i think they'll say we made a lot of progress. >> you think a deal will happen? >> 51-49. >> i'm 98-2. where are you? >> i think there will be a deal but the danger in this letter is not what it does to the negotiations going on right now, it's how it would be used if there is no deal. do the iran yans and european allies, the p5 if they come back and say, we couldn't get the deal because of the crazy letter from the republicans fouled everything up. we won't know. >> here's the great thing for the republicans. there's going to be a deal. i say it's great, there's not going to be any -- i'm 98-2%. barack obama wants a deal. he's going to do what it takes to get a deal. katty, you disagree? >> i don't know. the only people that i have spoken to have vaguely close to this negotiation are so tight lipped about this that they a are really -- >> beunderstand you work for the
bbc but you're on the set of "morning joe" now where wild speculation is the norm. >> hold my feet to the fire joe. you can twist my thumbnails. >> just like butch cassidy and the "sundance kid" make it to the river. >> give you back the binky. >> i will take the binky. you know all of these insults against me makes me sad. there's going to be a deal. barack obama desperately wants a deal. john kerry desperately wants a deal. they're going to get a deal. all right. well, then related story. we're just a day away from israel's elections. and prime minister benjamin netanyahu is -- >> listen to this. oh, boy. i am so out numbered on this set. >> so much drama going on. >> that was loaded. >> wow. >> that was like -- >> no it wasn't. no it wasn't. just really interesting. >> it is. >> i am in another land. >> it's just interesting. >> yeah. >> uh-huh. >> don't call anyone a toddler.
apparently netanyahu is fighting for his political life after nine years in office. he's warn that he may lose tomorrow along with his likud party if defeated netanyahu claims the rival zionist union party would divide jerusalem. he tried to pick up last-minute support at a rally with about 25,000 people. a poll over the weekend shows 12% of voters remain undecided. meanwhile, former prime minister ehud barack is endarsing herzog for prime minister calling him balanced and responsible. former israeli president perez also endorsed herzog. >> of course, barak was important in the 2000 negotiations with bill clinton. this is, if you want peace in the middle east, if you want peace with the palestinians this at least most observers would say this is the way to go right? >> it's probably a better solution than what we've had over the last few years. and there has been no speculation since benjamin
netanyahu's been prime minister in the last how many years has it been that he's been prime minister? nine years. that we were inching any closer to peace. in fact, we've inched further away from peace. maybe a change of government in israel can get us there. i think one thing that israelis are a little bit concerned about is the prospect of the weak government. >> april? >> all right. >> can you say anything nice about netanyahu? let's hear it. >> seriously, what comes out in the forefront of my mind is what's happened in the last couple of weeks. what has deteriorating with this white house and benjamin netanyahu. and i just -- i just really find it interesting that how the republicans and benjamin netanyahu got together and then this president was like, look this is the wrong thing to do. i just think it was just bad. that's the irs thing that comes to mind for me. and how if benjamin netanyahu -- if he were to keep his title and keep his position what would that -- how would things work in washington and in israel? >> just the last two weeks.
>> it hasn't been. but it was a slap in the face. >> full percent in israeli at one point. if joe biden went there and announced -- >> but the parties still have to work together. the countries still have to work together. it's a bad deal. >> al, at the end of the day israelis have always been very skeptical of barack obama but at the end of the day they understand a good relationship with the american president is critical to their long-term national security. i wonder if at the end of the day benjamin netanyahu didn't -- didn't cut himself out at his own knees by coming over here and confronting the american president as directly as he did. >> yeah i think they're indigenous actor there's. but i think it looks like that trip was a mistake now, that he had been going down in the polls. i covered israeli election. it's the craziest quilt system in the world. it depends on who can form a coalition.
joe, we've had bad relations before. jim baker. this may be the worse. but i think that whatever happens, if a new government comes in it will only get a little bit better. >> oh, yeah. >> okay. there are new developments this morning on the hillary clinton e-mail controversy. a fact sheet released by the clinton team last week said that a key word search was used to sort through the e-mails. >> this is what everybody has been talking about. >> as "time" magazine reported this review did not involve opening and reading each e-mail. instead, clinton's lawyer created a list of names and key words related to her work and searched for those op on sunday a clinton spokesman issued a clarification saying her office did, in fact read each and every e-mail before deciding which were private. top house republicans tell abc speaker john boehner is expected to announce this week a new investigation into clinton's e-mail practices during her time as secretary of state. and as one side prepares an attack others are jumping to her defense.
here's long-time clinton confidante james carville on "abc this week." >> you wonder why the public is not following this? they know what it is. it was something that she did. it was legal. i us a speth she didn't want louie rifling through her e-mails which seems to me to be a reasonable position for someone to take. so it amounts to -- just like everybody else before it, it amounts to nothing but a bunch of people flapping their jaws about nothing. >> some wor maureen dodd had this peace. entitle and open letter to hdr22@clintonerk mail.com. in part she writes this because you assume that if it's good for the clintons it's good for the world. you're always tangling up government policy with your own needs, desire deceptions marital bargains and gremlins. instead of raising us up by behaving like exemplary sterling people, you always bring us down to your level.
whose unspoken messages we're going to give you money to improve the world now leave us alone to go persecute women. that's an unkol for theable echo of a clin tonian tradeoff which goes, we're going to give you the first woman president who will improve the country. now leave us alone to break any rules we please. >> what do you think of that mika? >> i think it's searing. i think it's searing. >> do you agree with maureen dodd? dowd? >> i have questions about these e-mails and i'm confused why everybody listens to a press conference or a clinton person who says okay like it still doesn't make any sense that she had her own server and she chose what e-mails to hand in. does anybody at this table disagree that that's an important question? nobody has done that. anybody? anyone agree that there's big questions here? >> yes, there are big questions. and i think it would have been
great if secretary clinton had done a pink suit press conference like she did back in the '90s where she stood there and answered every question that needed to be answered. >> hand the server over isn't that what should have happened? >> hand -- i'm sort of like katty on the other question. i don't know. and i think this is where i agree with james carville. the american people the more people push give the server hand over the server let goemer rifle through her personal e-mails, i think the american people will say -- let me finish the sentence. >> do i want somebody rifling through my private e-mails? >> i'm just saying the way the american people look at it. >> we're not talking about louie looking through it. we're talking about a state department lawyer looking through it probably somebody from the obama administration looking through it and who knows, perhaps somebody -- a lawyer from the national archives looking through it. james carville is doing what
james carville always does. he's setting up straw men and knocking them down. this -- we were talking to somebody really high up at the white house over the past week who said they had no idea how she did this. they were stunned that she did this. i was just talking about, you know, my time in public service when i was in congress. you know it bounced off the walls. i had all of these ideas. when it came to rules on e-mails, rules on bank accounts rules on this and that you just knew. it was black and white. there was no gray. this is the law. this is ho you you do it. that's how everybody else out there -- >> my question -- >> but the clintons. we don't have time for pushing him and pretty soon it dissolves to you calling him a baby and giving him a binky so we're going to go to al hunt instead. really quickly and then al. >> jonathan would you say you said i don't know. would you say that if it was dick cheney?
>> good question. that's a good question. but again, what i was talking about in terms of the american people, it becomes an issue of private e-mail. dick cheney's -- >> i don't know. >> dick cheney's private e-mail? you know what i don't want -- >> but i think this is the question. would you allow dick cheney to determine what you and "the washington post" saw and what the american people saw because -- >> i agree with you on that. >> if dick cheney deleted 30,000 e-mails because he decided he wanted to delete them the washington press corps wouldn't go, hey, we don't want to see the personal e-mails. they would go after him. there would be lawyers. he would be indicted by friday. >> he would. >> hell would break loose. right? >> i was there. we would. yeah. >> i was there. >> i was there. we would. >> let me ask you really quickly, al about maureen's column. it's awfully tough. and i just wonder if hillary
clinton is going to face the same type of skepticism from the washington press corps. we republicans said oh, they're so biased. i remember back in 2000. i i never admitted it on tv until late in the game. i thought the washington press corps was a lot tougher, a lot more ruthless against one of their own, al gore than they were against george w. bush. i thought through the campaign they gave bush a free pass. they were brutal on al gore. i'm wondering, looking at this maureen dowd column, i wonder if the washington press corps is going to do that again, especially if, say, she goes up against a scott walker if knowing the clintons so long breeds contempt. >> even before that, joe, if she goes up against virtually no one, i think that makes the press even tougher on her. i think that would -- is what will happen. i don't think the press has ever been easier on the clintons. for maun marinereen, this is a dream
come true. clinton on monday, jeb bush on wednesday. maureen is just -- >> maureen is in heaven man. >> you know i sat on your show last week. i thought on a scale of one to ten this was a 3 1/2. and i still think that as far as the substance is concerned. the way they've handled it what it dredges up. to see i'll defend it but to see that lenny davis is back just makes people say, my god, do we really want to go through all that again? >> do you think it makes the clinton team in any respect start rethinking the process and decision? that's what i wonder. >> i think they're going to move it up, they've got to po move it up. they want to get her in campaign mode and get everything ready so the war room is ready so fear punching back. >> familiarity breeds contempt. i think that's going to happen. >> april ryan, thank you. the book is "presidency in black and white." get it. he offered the public thousands of dollars in reward money to help track down the gunman who shot two ferguson
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look at this beautiful sun rise over the potomac. we're here in washington. it's time now to take a look at the morning papers. we'll start with bbc news. the kosher supermarket, the site of a deadly standoff two months ago in par race is once again open. the market has been fully renovated and will be under constant police surveillance. new employ wes were hired while workers who were there at the time of the attack recover. a man claiming allegiance to
isis held customers and hostages for hours before police stormed the people. four people were killed. the boston globe will the city of boston has officially beaten its ss snowfall record. look at this. this weekend's snow brought the winter total up to 108.6 inches at logan airport. it's crazy. one more inch than record set two decades ago. it is rnt over yet. boston is raising the bar higher. i would go stir crazy. temperatures are forecasted to plummet and the city may receive more snow on friday. and "the washington post," there is something in the water in thailand. fishermen -- >> did you see this? wouldn't want to run into one of these things. >> 14-foot long 8-foot wide stingray in the river last week.
the fish took five hours to reel in and weighs up to 800 pounds. >> 800-pound sting way. how would you like to snorkel and stare at that? >> heaviest freshwater fish ever captured. the record was a catfish from 2005 also caught in thailand. >> with us now, the chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen. mike, in the politicallitolitico playbook this morning you have a piece about the problematic property once owned by marco rubio. we heard about this during his senate campaign. is it re-emerging again? >> yes, new miami reporter is doing a florida playbook calls this marco's house of horrors. we think marco is going to announce in mid april and people dig back through all their problems. this is the house that marco rubio bought with david rivera who you know him, former congressman, bad news. bought the house together when they were both legislators. they also were roommates up
here. bought this house for $135,000. now trying to sell it for $125. and david rivera who has since come under investigation for campaign finance ethics state, federal, and marco would love to be rid of this house but it's a tough housing market. he probably will still be co-owners of this house. >> he's had housing problems before. wasn't one of his homes foreclosed on? >> this is the house. so this is the selling this house is an occasion for people to dig through marco rubio's financial problems which during the senate race were a big deal and will be a much bigger deal now. >> are there other financial problems? >> he has had questions about how he used a credit card that he had from the state, republican party and other issues back when he was -- when he was -- >> a speaker, yeah. florida politics i mean i think the speaker that followednded
up in jail. they have been in -- during that time period pretty fast and loose with how they used official funds how they used campaign funds. there have been a lot of questions swirling around you know, what marco did, what marco didn't do. i can tell you a lot of them were investigated though in the senate campaign against charlie crist and he moved past that. you're right, though get to a presidential level, everything is much higher. >> how legitimate do you think these issues are? >> well, i know again it was investigated pretty hard during the campaign against charlie crist and he got through that okay. as we know there's nothing like running for the president of the united states. so they're going to dig a lot deeper and there have been whispers from tallahassee. you know for years. even during that campaign. hey, marco's finance are in a mess. i haven't seen any evidence of it but i'm sure that's where people are going to be digging
around. >> would love to sell this house, get it off the books. >> none of this has made it out of florida, is it something that will do? have a reputation at home? >> if he runs for president, it will come out. but, no, i don't think that's his reputation across florida. you know in tallahassee, everybody including people in the republican party were talking about this during the senate campaign. saying we love marco. he's an up and comer, he's a smart guy. he could be going places. of course though there are financial issues and i don't think it's anything like -- i certainly don't think it's anything like aaron schock is having to juggle right now. >> trying to navigate. plilt co's mike allen, thank you so much. coming up missouri congressman emanuel cleaver joins us onset with his take on how to tamp down the tensions in ferguson. keep it right here on "morning joe."
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police officers out a protest in ferguson missouri. 20-year-old jeffrey williams was charged sunday with two counts of first degree assault. police say he has admitted to firing the shots that left two officers wounded. joining us now, democratic congressman emanuel cleaver of missouri. good to have you on the set. thank you for coming? >> so, by the way, very -- we love to see that you actually put out a $3,000 reward for the shooter's capture. he's been captured. he was a guy that was protesting but he claimed that he wasn't shooting at police officers. i'm not exactly sure -- >> doesn't matter. >> -- who he was shooting at from the hill. >> it doesn't matter if he was shooting at a squirrel he needs to go to jail. the thing is the protesters despies this guy who damaged what they consider to be a movement. and so i think we don't know have all the information. i haven't spoken with the chief since friday. but i think that this is what everybody -- people of good will wanted this guy captured and put on trial. >> they were helping.
>> yes. >> the protesters peaceful protesters, were helping in the investigation? >> absolutely. >> so let's talk about the justice department report and talking about policing used actually to shake down people to make revenue for the city. it's bad in ferguson but i've seen statewide statistics that show it's even worse throughout the entire state of missouri. what are you doing to make sure that whether it's in missouri or across the country, this sort of shakedown operation by police stops? >> well, we've introduced a bill and we're trying to make sure we get bipartisan support for it. i don't think there's any reason we won't. rand paul has already reached out expressing interest in introducing it in the senate. it's a bill that would prevent municipalities from generating more than 35% of their budget from traffic tickets because that amounts to taxation by citation. >> right. >> i mean there are probably lawyers around the table other than you. >> right.
>> but i think it's even unconstitutional. and, you know, i grew up in texas. when i was a kid when my father would drive the family through a place called saginaw, me and my mother would say, you're in saginaw, you better slow down. these towns exist all around the country where revenue was generated. >> notorious. >> yes. >> i can tell you in alabama every time i was driving up to the university when i went through grove hill slow down to 15 miles an hour. but you also -- even in connecticut i was driving through connecticut, sam. >> which town? >> your home state. driving on the merit and a guy stops me for no reason pulls me over. he recognized me oh, hey, i'm sorry. it was just the end of the month and i had to make my quota. >> it's crazy. >> oh, my god. >> but it's -- the point made about him recognizing you is a valuable point. in this report if you were connected with the police report, if you were a relation tive of the police report they
would throw your ticket away. even if they needed revenue in that moment. you know in some respects that's almost even more deplorable -- not more but equally deplorable to them using these poor people to just essentially generate revenue. >> it is a shakedown. you get somebody started and then you say you either pay this much or you're going to jail. and how many lives have been ruined not just in ferguson but across the country where this sort of policing. >> or going to court and standing in line and taking your time and losing work. >> that or better. >> congressman, how shocked were you by the findings of the justice department report on the ferguson police department? the statistics on the number of stops and who was stopped and the amount of money raised and how the police force, the courts and the city administration were all working in concert? were you surprised by that? >> the only person surprised was the mayor of ferguson. i think that -- >> the mayor who said there was no racism in ferguson. >> yes.
that mayor. no i was not shocked. i went in there and i started a little church about three years ago, well spring united methodist church. it's a little town that the civil rights movement bypassed. it's 1960 in ferguson in 2015. >> why is that? why? why in ferguson? >> well, i think the st. louis suburbs are surrounded by -- connected to the big city of st. louis. and then many of the african-americans, poor people moved out because those were working class neighborhoods. they could afford the property out there, they could afford homes, they could afford to rent. >> right. >> i think that, you know when you got a large number of minorities moving into a sure bur ban community it's going to create a problem because the workforce and the power structure is going to be almost all white, just because that's the way it always has been. >> all right. well, it is a place sadly that
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durst has been arrested and is now facing a charge of can't a murder in the death of a friend in 2000. it was chalked up to new leads in evidence some apparently in an hbo series examining his connections to two deaths and his wife's disappearance. but the final episode of "the jinx" delivered a scene more shocking than most scripted series. an apparent confession from durst as he appears to be talking to himself in the bathroom while his microphone is still on. >> oh, boy. >> there it is. you're caught. you're right, of course. but you can't imagine. i'm having difficulty with the question.
what the hell did i do? killed them all, of course. >> oh, boy. it's never good. we always worry about that going to the bathroom and the microphone on. cnn reporter one time talked about her sister-in-law just really bad. you just don't do that. >> bad day. >> turn it off. >> contributor for bloomberg politics lisa depalo. you've covered robert durst for years. >> lisa, this is crazy. >> i know right? right? >> yes. >> live mike this is crazy. >> tell us about it. what an ending. >> i know. i don't think he's crazy though. i really don't. i mean, i think he's always been a little nuts and eccentric but it's fascinating. this is just -- i was stunned last night. weren't you stunned? >> yeah. absolutely stunned, lisa.
of course his own brother thinks he not only murdered this person. he thinks he murdered two others. his own brother has been fearful for his own life. >> yeah. but the -- his own family also circled the wagons when kathy disappeared in 1982. you know his own family hired the criminal defense attorney and never even spoke to the family, never called to say, hey, our daughter-in-law is missing. are you doing all right? so i don't give them a pass. >> so they circled the wagons every time their brother may have killed somebody. i guess they only got worried when they were afraid the brother was afraid he might be next, correct? >> correct. i think he probably would have been next because bobby durst, as the cop in galveston put it you know he didn't kill for thrill. he killed allegedly when he was cornered. and he was cornered by kathy years ago when she said, you know i want a divorce and he
was like no way is that happening. he was cornered by susan in his mind because he thought she was going to you know spill the beans on him. and i think he was cornered by morris black who figured out who he was in galveston. >> you do wonder though lisa how in the world, especially in 2001 the other two women disappeared, how in 2001 this guy is caught chopping up the body and disposing of it and texas jury goes self-defense. >> it was a more stunning verdict than o.j. it really was. that you could get on a stand and say, well, i didn't mean to kill him but once i killed him, i had to chop him up and you know, and here's a guy, he wrapped morris black's body parts in newspaper with his name on it. you know? there was a lot of humorous to bobby always. gary hart of serial killer it's like catch me if you can. >> i know. >> poor gary hart. >> i think mika owes an apology
to tom cotton and i think you may owe one to gary hart. >> sorry. >> okay. she gave her apology. mika still hasn't apologized. sam stein? >> i want to observe when you started this conversation by saying we don't think he's crazy and we end it by talking about the meticulous way he's chopped up bodies. seems odd. >> how personal he wrapped their body parts up where newspaper articles with their names on it. >> with his name on it so that when a detectives found morris black, they were like, oh who is bobby durst and here's his address and they went and found him and they got there and he had left the gun and the packaging from the trash bags in his trash in galveston. so there was always a kind of -- look even when he fled galveston he went to new orleans. he has some history with new orleans before this week. and -- because there he was living as another deaf mute. when he left that apartment he left a wig, an abc special on
his missing wife and susan's father's star of david that was her most prized possession that he left her in the will. so ooh, you know? >> this kind of went into the section of the arrest happening just as the series finale comes out, all of that slightly creepy intersection of entertainment and investigation. but how come hbo had this footage for two years before it actually was made public? >> actually what charles bagley reported last night was that they had the footage of that last interview with him and it wasn't until two years later and i take that to mean fairly recently that they realized he kept talking. so can you imagine being in that editing room. oh, he's still talking. i wonder what he said and finding this. but i do know that the filmmakers cooperated with the police for a couple years now.
i think since '13, and you know they did it because it was a morally correct thing to do. and i think they also made sure that the chain of command on all of these things was perfect. >> so, lisa let me ask you. you keep talking about how he leaves all of this evidence. it's almost like he's got a death wish. he wants to be arrested. doesn't that raise the question of whether when he was in the bathroom with the microphone on you say he's not crazy. he's a smart guy. he knew what he was doing even when he was muttering those words. >> i think on some level bobby durst does feel guilt. susan was his best friend. susan would have taken a bullet for him and did. i think, you know he -- there has to be a level -- i don't think -- i don't think he's 100% evil. i really don't. i think he feels guilt. >> okay. >> all right. >> lisa depaulo, please come back. very good to have you on. >> i would love to.
>> that was -- >> that's amazing, isn't it? >> yes. >> every single level. >> and it gets crazier. >> when he's in the bathroom i swear it sounds like he's reading a script. i killed them all, of course. >> read this while you're in the bathroom. >> i wonder about that. still ahead, a we're going to go to london where keir simmons has the latest on vladimir putin who has reappeared and whose spokesperson says if you think he's sick just try shaking his hands. he will crash you. for most people, earning cash back
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haven't actually seen him. he said to me all of this focus on everything our president does does i guess that's just what happens when your president is a superstar. so the kremlin kind of laughing it off. >> and president putin, laughing it off in pictures you're not seeing him appearing in video. with the president of kyrgyzstan. >> they're laughing. >> all ofly long. >> he's holding his hand. >> we are, actually because we want to keep the speculation going, we're looking at the left hand that he's keeps holding, dangling limply by his side and so we're going to keep the rumor bill going. >> ah. poor keir.
>> we moved it. keir, all right. another one bites the dust. keir, we -- we again, we are "morning joe."". where wild speculation reins. it is very unusual for vladimir putin to disappear for this long. what are you hearing in london for some of the possible reasons? >> some of the rumors we can talk about. some reports in european newspapers that he went to switzerland for his girlfriend his reported girlfriend to have a baby, there were rumors that there may have been some kind of a coup under way. judging by what we're seeing this morning that seems really like wild speculation and there was also the rumor which seems more potentially likely that he has been sick. perhaps with the flu of some kind. it looks like that's what u.s. officials think has been happening, and the point is really that he puts himself out there as strong man.
so even if he has the flu, he is not going to want to appear in public, because that would have the potential are making him look weak you know president putin does not get sick. >> right. i'm looking at the picture, and, yes, okay. >> he wrestle the tigers bare chested. >> sometimes, jonathan capehart. >> we're we go. >> waiting for that one. >> jonathan capehart sometime as badly tailored suit is just a badly tailored suit t. is better than being bare chested, i think. >> keir i don't know. see it in the london bureau but we are seeing a variety of pictures's vladimir putin bare chested shooting -- sorry, keir for putting you through this. still ahead we go live to ferguson to reaction after police make an arrest in the shootings of two police officers and senator claire mccaskill joins us on-set. plus more fallout from the
gop letter to iran as nuclear negotiations continue. what the letter's author senator tom cotton told bob schieffer when asked if he had any regrets, and the trend of young people trumping everything to take up arms with isis. what officials are saying about the latest group of wannabe jihadis. we're back in a minute. ♪ turn around ♪ ♪ every now and then i get a little bit tired ♪ ♪ of craving something that i can't have ♪ ♪ turn around barbara ♪ ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ ♪ ♪
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washington, d.c. jonathan capehart sam stein, kat person. you're the kind you hold a kitty to your face and they lick your face. yum, yum. >> he was on "drudge report." they always have pictures 47 cats in an unsanitary house that was sam. >> julie pace mel hunt are here too. >> meow. >> it's crazy news. >> i don't know thousandhow to describe this. >> we have a documentary a few years back on report durst, like like he'd killed all these people but gotten away with it. his own brother fearing for his life in this really new york family and then boom. saw the breaking news yesterday across the iphone. >> and a lot of politics to get to in a minute. first we're going to try to lay this out for you. we begin with a documentary, proving real life may be stranger than fiction. less than 24 hours ago new york
real estate heir robert durst was arrested and is now facing a charge of capital murder in the death of a friend in 2000. chocked up to new leads in evidence apparently examining his connections to two deaths and his wife's disappearance, but the final episode of the jinx delivered a final scene more shocking than most scripted series. an apparent confession from durst as he appears to be talking to himself in the bathroom while his microphone is still on. >> hmm. >> there is a court. you're caught. the right horse, but you can't imagine i'm having difficult with the question.
i'm having trouble hmm -- hmm. killed them all, of course. >> oh my god. >> wow. >> and nbc's stephanie gosk has -- >> what prosecutors would call pretty good evidence. >> has more on how the series helped put the durst investigation back in the spotlight. >> reporter: robert durst, heir to a multibillion dollar real estate mansion accused of a murder committed over a decade ago. this from his own brother. we are relieved and grateful to everyone who assists in the arrest of robert durst. we hope he will finally be held accountable for all he has done. christmas eve 2000 killed
execution-style in her l.a. home. investigators suspected the now 71-year-old but there was no arrest. she was durst best friend and confidant and denies murdering hem in an hbo series "the jinx." >> they were able to put you in california. >> california's a big state. >> reporter: the documentary re-examines the crime, along with two others. the disappearance of durst's first wife in 1982 and the murder of durst neighbor in texas. raising the question many have asked. could durst have murdered them all? in 2003 a texas jury found durst not guilty in the murder of morris black who admitted to killing his murder and dismembering the body but argued it was self-defense. >> based on the evidence that was presented to us there was reasonable doubt. >> reporter: now durst faces another murder trial after his lawyers warned him not to take part in the documentary. >> and they said about a zillion times you can't help yourself.
right now you're a free man, 100%. you say something inadvertently and you'll find yourself charged in new york or charged in los angeles. >> reporter: the series uncovers new evidence including a letter addressed to susan berman from durst. the handwriting and misspelling look hauntingly similar to an anonymous letter sent to police telling them where to find her body. >> they need something substantial to hang their hat on. is the information and testimony of inconsistent statements and handwriting samples enough to convict a person? >> reporter: whatever happens in the courtroom, the spotlight is back on robert durst. in part, his own doing. >> yep. and durst's lawyer admitted said don't do it. not smart. you'll end up arrested again. he was right. >> fascinating story. >> yes. >> but i am going to win the bet. >> okay. now to ferguson missouri where attorney general eric holder is praising the swift
arrest in connection with last week's shooting of two police officers. a massive manhunt in the city this weekend led to the arrest of 20-year-old jeffrey williams. williams was charged sunday with two counts of first-degree assault and police say he has already admitted to firing the shots that left two officers wounded. let's bring in nbc news correspondent sarah dallof live in ferguson. what more can you tell us about the investigation that led to the arrest? >> reporter: well, good morning. officials had remained tight-lipped about the investigation until yesterday, and now they are saying that it was tips from the public that led to this arrest. information both activist and police are praising. now williams like you said has allegedly acknowledged that he fired the shot. authorities say they have recovered a gun that matches the shell casings found here at the scene. what is still being questioned is whether williams was actually firing at officers. he has said some things that authorities are looking at that
he may have been involved in a dispute earlier in the evening, and may have been aiming at somebody involved in that altercation. meanwhile, u.s. attorney general eric holder releasing a statement that reads in part "the arrest sends a clear message that acts of violence against law enforcement personnel will never be tolerated. the swiftness of this action is a credit to the significant cooperation between federal authorities and the st. louis county police department." immediately following the news of the arrest yesterday, a crowd gathered here at the ferguson police department. they stayed a couple hours but disbursed by late afternoon. we had a relatively quiet night overnight. meanwhile, the two officers who were shot continue to recover at home. officials say they are most certainly doing better not worse. back to you. >> thankfully. sarah what do we know about the suspect in terms of his background and if he was, indeed a protestors? >> reporter: yeah. he is a 20-year-old man from this area. they were unsure if it was
exactly ferguson or unincorporated st. louis county. they say he had been here as part of the demonstration earlier in the night and appeared at previous demonstrations. however, that tight-knit group of core demonstrators say they do not recognize him. so how involved he was is another question. they are looking at that now and stress this is an ongoing investigation. >> all right. sarah dallof thank you so much. and ron allen had a report saying, he was a protestors and had the cops also saying that he had been at a lot of these events. the question is though if he wasn't shooting at the pli officers one of whom he hit in the head and the other he hit in the shoulder what was he doing? like, shooting birds? >> that seems like grasping. >> pigeons? he was at a -- up on a hill? >> up on a hill. wildly errant shots that hit targets.
let's move on here to iran. officials are indicating that the u.s. and iran are getting closer to an historic but controversial nuclear agreement as a new round of talks begin today. american and european officials say the key sticking points include how soon u.n. sanctions are removed and how inspections are conducted. secretary of state john kerry yesterday said the remaining obstacles are mostly political. but he's also warning a potential deal could be affected by 47 republican senators who sent that controversial letter to iran. >> the effect and the intent of the author was to basically say, don't do this deal and by the way, that's to say that before there is even is a deal i mean, it's like you know -- giving people a grade on a test before the test is even written, let alone given. >> are you going to apologize for this letter? >> not on your life i'm not going to apologize for the for an unconstitutional and
unthought out action by somebody that's been in the united states senate for 60-some days. that's just inappropriate. >> wow. nearly one week later, the man who wrote that letter republican senator tom cotton says he still has no regrets. >> are you planning to contact any other of our adversaries around the country? for example, do you plan to check with the north koreans to make sure that they know that any deal has to be approved by the congress? >> bob, right now i and most every other senator is focusing on stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon and that's why it's so important that we communicated this message straight to iran because they're not hears it from geneva. what we did was send a clear message to a dictatorial regime we didn't coddle or con sill yate with the dictator in iran we told them 71% of the american people in a recent poll will not accept a deal that puts iran in the path to a nuclear weapon. >> all right. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell will also not
apologize saying it was appropriate to warn iran mong must be involved. no it wasn't. does be in want to talk? >> i can see that -- i didn't see that in the script. >> no. did you love bob schieffer's question? seriously. who else does he want to send a letter to? >> the book of the month club we can have a letter of the month. >> seriously. >> we could have venezuela after that and go to yemen. this could be a series. >> it could be a series. tom cotton proving a sense of humor started to smirk. >> i don't think that was hyper. >> >> -- brought up north korea, al hearing how unprecedented this is john kerry called it unconstitutional. we remember what happened in '94 with democrats writing letter to ortega and the sandinistas. when this happens, the other side republicans in in '84 and democrats now are appropriately
raising hell. >> i don't know how john kerry gets it was unconstitutional. it was stupid. john kerry says the weather's bad. it's hot that you do dumb things and i think there is you know a lot of signers regret right now, but those who orchestrated it, cotton mcconnell, came to -- my real criticism is not of tom cotton he's a freshman. mitch mcconnell shouldn't have let it has. bob dole would have never let that happen. >> the white house still has a lot of respect for mitch mcconnell. you talk to him off the record they'll say, listen he's tough but he gets things done. he gives you his word he keeps his word unlike john boehner. the white house is surprised mitch mcconnell got involved with a freshman letter. i did really stupid letters for as a freshman. it's another when a majority
leader signs on. >> done by tom cotton and a handful of senators tom cruz would have had a different reaction. the fact you had 47 senators people like mish mcconnell signing on to this the frustration you heard in john kerry's voice, talk to officials privately, that is intense anger. frustrated someone like mcconnell who says he wants to govern as majority leader would sign on to this. >> jonathan what a backlash over the last week. the backlash has grown against this letter to the point where i am sure most of those people would not have signed on. >> yeah. i mean the i think the backlash is on what its done or possibly done to the negotiations that's happening. i think secretary kerry is right. they're writing a letter about a deal that hasn't even been done yet. they're racing to get it done. you have people who are looking at this as being an incredibly an incredible sign of disrespect. not just to president obama but to the presidency, the presidency itself.
>> talk about the one-two punch of -- if you just asked me about netanyahu. i'd say it's happened before. he can show up. the letter if you ask me about the letter taken apart, i go the letter you know what? freshmen do stuff like that. it was stupid but there's something about those two accesses in tandem together, a couple weeks apart that i must agree with a lot of really smart writers at your paper and the "new york times," that taken together -- stop smirking mika. stop smirking at me -- >> that's okay. go ahead. >> i want to agree but you read these columns that are really smart -- but taken together i do think it has a really toxic mix about how dysfunctional the united states of america is. >> yeah. >> and when you -- you know when you talk to folks inside the administration privately, they say you know just when you think you can't get any lower it does. the bar is so low on conduct in
this city and in this -- yeah in this city that at this point, and if you're doing the limbo, only an ant would be able to get under the bar at this point. still ahead on "morning joe," wall street looks to recover from a third straight week of decline. cnbc's saraize han business before the bell. plus we've got a packed political table. senator claire mccaskill joins us on-set along with nbc news without correspondent chris jansing and the hill's elise and the bbcs katty kay. we'll be right back. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. four days after cyclone pam, a major category 5 storm hit vanuatu. we still don't know how bad it is's not a good sign. 60,000 people on that island. port vila the capital, 90% of the structures significantly damaged in the area. i can imagine all the help they'll need. no cell phone reception, no power on the island right now. very, very rough conditions that
are quickly going to be deteriorating until they get the aid they need. back here in the lower 48 yesterday a little snow in boston and that was enough to set us off the charts for the snowiest winter ever. no one alive in boston that has seen this nudge snow isn't a winter before. 108.6 inches. unfortunately looking like a little more friday morning or friday afternoon. it's still winter in boston and even april you average two or three inches. today the story is the heat across the country. about 84 in l.a. after a very hot weekend in the west. it continues. can you believe the fire dang sir high today? look how warm in des moines? 81 degrees. scans city 83. people in new orleans can't believe how warm. a slow warm-up's even deshould be enjoyable. 69, lunch outdoors with beautiful sunshine. leaving you with a nice shot right around new york city. times square. can't complain. 55 degrees today after a chilly weekend. more "morning joe" coming right up.
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all right. let's take a look now at the morning pages. reuters, venezuela's president has been given power to rule by decree for the remainder of 2015 known as the enabling law the ruling was granted by the venezuelan parliament in response to u.s. sanctions on seven venezuelan officials, lawmakers thinking detracting from the economic issues. sunday's ruling marks the second time maduro has been given
decree powers for the rest of 2015. >> and the price of oil going down has shattered that country economically they're an economic basket case and when know improvement in sight as long as oil stays where it and a rather poorly governed state, but -- >> from the start. >> anytime continue has some possibility -- >> yes! he should write a letter about the invasion. we want their oil. right? just like your brother wants to invade canada for the oil. >> he is a neocon. >> a huge neocon. "l.a. times." runners in the marathon face an uphill battle at record-breaking heat pounded the city the third straight day. sending at least 36 participants in the hospital. paramedics attended to 185 people along the route due to this unseasonably warm temperature. i mean it was reaching over 90 degrees yesterday. it's going to be high there today. that's 20 degrees higher than average for this time of year. marathon organizers set up special cooling stayses
including air conditioned buses and hoses spraying water to assist more than 22,000 runners. they have that right out the stade yo when i go out but hose me down for different reasons. the race moved up by 30 minutes in favor of cooler temperatures. >> smart. the "chicago tribune," a new poll showing rahm emanuel holding a double-digit lead over jesus garcia. a majority of supporters backing him a second term. emanuel 57%. others remain undecided. mounting support from african-american voters is crucial to emanuel's uptick in the polls. the run-up election will be held on april 7th. >> speaking of city government i read a remarkable story in "the washington post" a couple weeks ago, maybe last week jonathan capehart that the demographic makeup of d.c. is changing and
it's going to impact elections around here? >> you know remember this is a -- excuse me -- majority democratic city. >> right. >> no? >> yeah. for a while. guaranteed to win d.c. -- >> represent. whoa. >> but it's also a majority african-american city. at least it was, and the demographic trend is that this majority african-american city is going to be sort of like new york. this -- this -- what did mayor dinkins call it? a gorous mosaic of people from all over the place in this one spot. so it could have impact particularly on mayor races, city council races. >> more of an international influx? more of sort of a wide influx? what's moving? >> it's an influx of whites into the city i think. remember like a lot of urban areas after the '60s, people left. but now cities are in again and people are moving back in.
the city has changed a lot. people want to live here. there's construction all over the place. >> everywhere. >> restaurants exploding everywhere everywhere. >> the change in the city since i left in 2001 and then came back in 2009 i hardly recognized parts. >> you can see it happening in realtime. neighborhoods that even two or three years ago people were staying away from now are selling million dollar houses and restaurants are fixing them up. incredible. the speed at which it's happening. >> when i first came here 14th and hue, you could get killed. now my kid says he's going out for a drink or a restaurant 14th and hue? i still cringe but it's a trendy place. >> so funny you say that because we asked today, where do you live? anytime hue comes up i go -- it's really changed. >> all i would say is if another small plates restaurant opens up on 14th street i'm going to scream. >> okay.
>> a full platter. >> okay. we have -- too deep. gone too deep pep who in the world to legitimately accuse of being an east coast elitist program? and the king of saddam if fighting control, for control of the late dictator's home town of tea krit. a shia militia says isis militants set a trap kplasing explosives around hussein's mausoleum, the body removed last year and its whereabouts are unknown. meanwhile, three british teenagers on bail after allegedly trying to join isis. facials say caught in turk around returned to the united kingdom and bill neely has more on how these teens were caught and why this trouble trend continues of young girls from the west wanting to join the barbaric movement.
>> reporter: good morning, joe. two 17-year-old boys from london and a 19-year-old man also from the uk were detained in istanbul after a tip-off from britain that they were trying to join isis in syria. they were deported back to the uk where they were arrested by police on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism. police would really like to know more about the network that recruited them. none has so far been charged, and they are still being questioned. now, this comes just weeks after three other british teens, two girls aged 15 and a 16-year-old girl, disappeared from their homes in london. they were pictured on cc tv at a london airport then seen again in istanbul boarding a bus for the border with syria and it's now thought they are with isis in raqa in syria. they were not stopped, brought about a huge brawl in britain
and turkey about who was responsible for that failure. they are still missing and their families remain distraught. in the case of the three boys they didn't reach syria, but this case, once again, illustrates the deadly magnet that isis is and also the difficulty authorities have from stopping people trying to join it. back to you, joe. >> all right. thank you so much bill. that is horrifying. >> yeah. >> and again you wonder. what teenager sits in their room goes, you know what? i'm living in london. i think i want to hang out with isis? >> ah. yeah. >> and be brutalized and probably killed at the end. i just -- it's hard for us to imagine it is. coming up senator claire mccaskill joins us on-set to take over co-hosting responsibilities. yes, going to sit in your chair. "morning joe" comes right back. i really admire my mother. despite what people said she bought me a sewing machine and she let me play with dolls and that was something that was kind of growing up culturally, it was quite unacceptable and she really dared to let me be different.
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i told you. i told you she would take his place. joining us now member of the armed services committee democratic senator claire mckavg's of missouri. my favorite senator. it's not okay to say but i do it anyway. also at the table nbc news senior white house correspondent chis jansing with us. good to see you. great to have you onboard. also with us staff writer with "the hill" elise beback and bbc the katty kay with us again.
claire, we want to go around the table, ask a bunch of questions. headlines, though word came out the sauce spects accused of shooting the two police officers in ferguson was indeed a protestors. what do you make of that? >> well, he lived in the area. so he might have been in the group once or twice, but this was not somebody who was part of the protest movement. the protest movement was just as upset about this as every american and, in fact, there were many of them that were working with the police trying to help them identify who the shooter was. this has been by and large a very peaceful movement, and in the tradition of non-violent protests in this country, and out of all of this tragedy i think we're going to get some real reform in police departments, not just in the st. louis area but across the country what is the reform that will have long-term impact? because ferguson is not an isolated case.
>> no. oh no. i think we're going to have hopefully a turning back to more of a community policing model. >> uh-huh. >> where there are there is a priority on making sure you're of the community not against the community, in terms of working together on law enforcement. we're going to see a lot of reform in municipal courts where you had seen this revolving door. >> lines, people waiting for court. >> revenue machines like an atm for these little smaut small communities, that's happening now in ferguson and across the st. louis region and, frankly:y think we'll see more people running for office in these communities. we had no african-americans in city government to speak of in ferguson, even though the community is over 70% african-american. we have a bunch of people running for election next week and i'm hopeful that three of these great new candidates will join city government and that will make a difference. >> chris? >> i think this is something obviously the administration and eric holder have been very closely involved with. they have this community
policing program, and as the senator said this is something they believe has to be dealt with not just in the short term but the long term and you have to develop those relationships within those communities, and part of that relationship is going to involve working with peaceful protesters who want to see change who have seen something going on in their community that they know is wrong. they didn't need to wait for the report in ferguson to come out to know what was going on there in their communities across the country that will tell you the same thing. so this is a short term and a long-term issue, and i think we saw the statement from eric holder, and the white house echoes this as well that is was important they had an arrest quickly, that they wanted to show this is not going to be tolerated. violence against law enforcement. >> remember how that occurred quickly. through great police work at the local level. highly professional police department, and while there were moments during the, this event that some of us believe the police may have overreacted, there were also moments of great courage and valor, and obviously professional policing to brin
this man to justice as quickly as they d. yep. >> and get this arrest. that means we've got really top-notch police officers in st. louis that all of us are very proud of. a couple other headlines to get to. a lot of talk on the show about the 47 senators who signed that letter to iran. how damaging do you think that was, and are my words too strong to say it's sort of like watching toddlers at play when this letter was sent out and put together by a freshman senator? >> i will not channel joe here and say i'm not sure toddler is the right word but i -- >> okay. you're not sure toddler's is right word. >> i would not use that word. i would say it was a mistake. >> al hunt said i won't use the word, but it was stupid. i'm not sure what's worse. >> i think a lot of them are having second thoughts about what they did. i don't think many of them thought through what they were doing, and it is really unprecedented. you can say, well you know somebody talked to noriega, but this is in the closing weeks of a multi-national negotiation. this isn't just -- as we all
know this isn't just the united states in this negotiation. there are many countries in this negotiation, and for them to inject themselves in the closing weeks of a negotiation, it was really a dumb idea, and i think some of them are paying a price for it. >> they are. elise? >> i have a question. what i heard tom cot sn after the vp nomination in 2016. have you heard that? >> that's not a way to get it. >> i don't know. clearly his brand exploded on the right. i'm wondering whether there is speculation particularly among democrats in the upper chamber whether this was a political ploy? >> you know i don't know. you know we are too busy trying to figure out who is going to emerge in the presidential race to start thinking about vice president. >> i understand. >> think of all the people running for president on the republican side. we're busy sorting through that cast and probably haven't given much thought to vice president, but i think frankly it's one
thing to do something that appeals to the same group of people that are spurring on the tea party members and the house. it's another thing to appeal to that wide swath in the middle of independent voters that decide presidential elections in this country and frankly decide state-wide elections in my state. independent voters are uncomfortable with what tom cotton did. i will say that unequivocally. >> some democrats saying they wouldn't have signed the letter they are opposed to the deal although we don't actually know what the deal is we hardly know what they're opposed to. in a sense do you think this letter could have the effect of rallying democrats around the president and the negotiating team? are you seeing any of that movement happen? >> i think to call a rally would be -- some of us felt uncomfortable, what it did to the office of the presidency and our stature on the world stage. >> that was certainly affected. >> keeping our act together on a world stage is a big deal to national security and this did not help. but i think ultimately whether or not democrats support this
deal will depend entirely on if there's a deal and what's in the deal, because all of us including the president of the united states is committed to stopping iran from getting a nuclear weapon. end of story. so this notion that somehow the democrats are letting iran get a nuclear weapon that's not what we're going to do. and you know i think what netanyahu has done in terms of politicizing this and being allowed to be part of this politicization of the support of israel has been a huge problem. all of us support israel and the notion that it's now become partisan is terribly detrimental to israel and i hate that. >> something that seems easy because republicans really i think didn't care for eric holder as attorney general and would love to see him out but you would think that loretta lynch would -- go right through? right? how's that going? >> you know thas to go into the category, if the sun comes up blame it on obama, no matter
what, take it it out on obama. this woman is highly qualified. prosecuted terrorists a professional prosecutor did very fwhel her hearing. >> doctor baptist minister. self-made, just a wonderful american story. and they can't wait to say how much they can't wait to get eric holder out, but yet they're refusing to take up this nomination, and -- it is -- they're really -- it's inexplicable, other than they just think that the way they want to govern is being against anything obama's for, and i think frankly america is getting tired of it. >> chris what's the latest reporting on that? >> first of all, 128 days. okay? eric holder a far more controversial nominee was approved after 64 days. that gives you perspective about what's going on here. what this is about, though is about a human trafficking bill the republicans say, because there is a provision in it that the democrats don't like that has to do with restricting access to abortion particularly to minority and poor women. the republicans say it's always
been in there. democrats say it's far more restrictive. the bottom line is that this is holding things up. now, on one end you can say, well, the democrats will look at this and say this is another way for us to show the american people how republicans refuse to get things done. but the longer this goes on and you still have people who are on the fence who don't know if they're going to vote for this nomination, a little more nervous that the white house gets about this. >> chris jansing, yeah. we're going to continue this after the break. chris jansing and cate kay, thank both and senator mckavgal, staying with us and elise as well. the republican front-runner in new hampshire. over the weekend kasie huntcasey ran into -- someone that kind of disagrees. >> scott walker is also here in new hampshire and called himself a possible front-runner. is that premature? >> i'm not a candidate. maybe he is, i don't know. but you can't be a front-runner until you start running. so --
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the market's been rattled lately, mika by two things. one a strong u.s. dollar great if planning a trip to europe. got into the 104 region. good time to go to europe for summer vacation or really anywhere for that matter because the dollar is strong against everybody. also the price of oil, which he talked a lot about in the beginning of the year but it moved south again and below the january lows. these sharp price swings and currencies and commodities is giving stock markets a bit of a spook here. >> looking at your list. wedding costs jump to a record high? >> yes. >> how much is a wedding costing? >> $31,200 on average. a 4.5% jump from last year. that price moved up. >> that's crazy. >> every single year. that doesn't include the cost of your honeymoon. $31,000 on average is crazy what the weddings are costing. cnbc's sara eisen, thank you very much. >> thanks good to see you. last weekend, the top tier of the likely republican candidates for president
gathered in iowa and this past weekend it was new hampshire's turn and of course msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt was there with questions. >> thanks so much for doing this. this is my inaugural voyage. >> reporter: it's been 15 years since jeb bush campaigned in new hampshire. >> it was a blast watching people from miami get accustomed to at the time i think in plan chestor like 20 degrees. >> reporter: almost a year way from the 20916 primary bush is embraceing the conditions. at ease taking question after question from business leaders, voters and reporters. >> the definition of pre-existing condition needs to be looked at. these are kind of obtuse conversations on a friday night, and in beautiful new hampshire. >> reporter: bush had company 2349 granin the granite state. joining him, rick perry, ted cruz and nick walker. neck and neck in polls. >> scott walker is also here and called himself a possible
front-runner is that is premature assessment? how do you judge it? >> i'm not a candidate. maybe he is i don't know. you can't be a front-runner until you start running. >> reporter: they may not be officially running but it's clear it's a crowded field. >> we need a name for the future, a new, fresh face helps create a great contrast to hillary clinton. >> reporter: walker held just one public event in two days in new hampshire but took on opposition. protesters trailed him to a speech in concord. >> go back to wisconsin and stay there. >> reporter: and rivals accused him of changing positions on a long lichte of issues. >> a narrative for the other campaign that we have a strong reputation of keeping our word. the only issue throughout is immigration, and we listen to the people. >> reporter: is scott walker a flip-flopper? >> i don't -- i don't know. >> thanks guys. >> strange views. >> reporter: with almost a year to go the presidential field is sure to change too.
none of the 26 republicans competed hard in new hampshire before leaving the primary as wide open as its ever been. >> i was a front-runner three of most glorious days of my life. we might have a handful of front-runners more before the new hampshire primary gets here. >> ah, kasie hunt joins us and that rick perry is the gift that keeps on giving. >> we had a great time in new hampshire. over the weekend. really busy. ted cruz was there, too, but i think you really saw walker and bush circling around each other. up there. >> ted cruz will be on our show tomorrow morning. elise? >> what's the difference between the type of voter that walker and bush are attracting in new hampshire at this point? who are the people who are coming out for those events? >> well i mean a couple things. first of all, the new hampshire republican party itself is actually pretty conservative and has a libertarian bent. walker spoke to those activists excited to see him.
had to move for a bigger venue for that reason. bush on the other hand will probably appeal more to independents. one point i heard earv over and over up there, hillary clinton and the lack of a competitive democratic primary is actually in many ways likely to help bush potentially, because there will be more independents voting in the republican primary. >> all right. speaking of hillary clinton, claire mccaskill obviously -- >> i knew you would get to this. >> and i didn't start to it. >> i was hoping -- >> i waited. >> we get the ugly orange pants back in here? >> joe, where are you? >> didn't anybody notice his ugly orange pants? >> he will tell you they are nantucket red. >> okay. >> and no socks. never socks. >> no socks. >> and you were saying? >> so as i was saying there are reports boehner will announce an investigation, everybody is demanding the server i think it's a legitimate question. i do know if this were donald rumsfeld or dick cheney i'll call this is level eight story as opposed to al hunt's level
three for hillary clinton. is there something here? i know you're ready for hillary. >> well i think it will help when the e-mails that will become public as is turns out more of her e-mails are probably going to be made public than any other top state department official and people see the e-mails that will become public. >> you know it's not all of them and they're not going to see them. >> listen has this been handled perfectly? obviously not. is this a bump? yes. the question is you know what happens when we start looking at everyone else's e-mails? is everyone else giving up their personal e-mails? the governors running and -- so i don't think it was handled perfectly. i'm not here to defend the way it was handled but i am here to say, she is a, an incredibly strong candidate for president with an enoormous amount of support in this country with the strongest resume and i think the american people are focused on who is in fact going to be the strongest leader for this country. >> shouldn't she have used the
government server? >> you know, i think she assumed that what was supposed to be public would be public and what was her own personal stuff wasn't going to be public and i think she might have been too focused on the latter part of that wanting to keep her personal life private. >> do you think she should have -- >> her daughter's wedding, you know -- i look at my personal e-mails, gosh. you know i mean i'm talking about things to my children that i would never want the public to have to read those things. i don't think i signed up for that to make my -- the travails of my children's life in the public. >> easy way around. use the official server for official business. it just -- i feel like she opened herself up to that. not us trying to get -- i don't want to read her e-mails about her personal life. >> should she have gone ahead and deleted those e-mails without allowing anyone else to be in there and judge? >> she certainly should have been better prepared for questions about that. how that process worked and who made the decision and i think there should have been some
thought about whoever was making that decision have some kind of credible shine of independence. >> so do you think there should have been an independent review? >> something that would have reassured people that -- ultimately, i think as we have found with a lot of these controversies around the clintons, there has been an awful lot of smoke, and really not a lot of fire go back in history, and i think in the long run, the people of this country -- people in missouri aren't talking to me about her e-mails. they're talking to me about why it is that they can't afford to retire. >> a lot of people talk to me about you. why wouldn't you run for president? would you? >> ah no no no. no no no. no. i don't want people to see the e-mails about my kids! >> i'm with you. on tomorrowing show, ted cruz joins us. look forward to that. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."
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time now to talk about what we learned today. i'll start. if you can believe it the syria civil war in syria is entering its fifth year and all this talk about isis and the assad regime check out my blog i wrote about a refugee. one woman and her six children. her story, and what they've been through, and also take a look at the work of usa for unhcr, an organization and nonprofit that tries to help. and check out a website to find out much more. claire what have you learned today? >> i learned even though joe scar were br oh scarboro had on ugly pants, when he's here i get to talk about cardinals baseball aened he's
not here. >> and kasie? >> scott walker allegeic to dogs. >> oh. i get it. elise, quick? >> i learned from kasie's interview rick perry will be a lot of fun to watch this year. >> he will. thanks for joining us everybody. "the rundown" is straight ahead on msnbc. and good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. developing now on "the rundown," you're looking at a new orleans courthouse, a couple hours from now new york real estate heir robert durst is expected to appear in an extradition hearing on a capital murder charge after a stunning development in the case. the investigation dates back 15 years and a television documentary may about key factor. stephanie gosk is tracking the story and joins me from new orleans. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, jose. robert durst is