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>> chris: i'm chris wallace. progress on the vaccine front could change the way we fight covid-19 in the u.s. ♪ ♪ >> if you are eligible for a booster, go ahead and get your booster. >> chris: at the fda approves posterior thought shots for all three coded vaccines and begins the approval process to vaccinate children under 12. we will talk with cdc director rochelle walensky about the push to get shots into more arms. then come up the white house scrambles to put together a scaled-back social spending plan and break the gridlock among democrats. >> president biden: these bills are not about left versus right. they are about moderate versus
progressive. >> chris: at the president working on concessions to keep his divided party at the table and ge get a stalled domestic agenda through congress. >> negotiations are on board. >> we are getting to a compromise and i'm hopeful it will be the end of next week. >> chris: we will talk to progressive congressman ro khanna, a key democrat working with the white house to bridge the divide. plus in virginia, the race for governor growing tighter and drawing national attention in the home stretch. >> we don't need a donald trump and khakis. because this is our moment to come together like never before and choose the path. it stands for liberty, not government control. >> chris: we will bring in our sunday panel to breakdown the ramifications of the boat ahead of next year's midterm electio elections. and, our power player of the week. an elite training ground for a unique sport in the inner-city. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪
and hello again from fox news in washington. we saw major action by the fda and cdc this week to approve booster shots for millions more americans. and also, new guidance on mix and match to getting the initial dose of one vaccine and then a booster shot of another. plus, public health agencies are getting closer to approving coded vaccines for children under 12. and of the controversy continues over public agencies and private companies imposing vaccine mandates on their employees. all this as americans try to prepare for the holiday season. as you can see, there's plenty to discuss with the director of the centers for disease control, dr. rochelle walensky. doctor, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for having me back, good morning, chris. >> chris: it's this week the cdc approved the modernity and
at j&j vaccines for millions more americans as well as approving mix and match. you say that it's a personal option as to the individual, whether they want to get the initial dose of one vaccine and then the booster of another vaccine. but isn't the data clear that if you got the j&j booster first, you get much more product protey getting a booster from either pfizer or an mode or not? >> dr. walensky: this is an important next step in our booster plan across the country because right now we have a blister plan for every one of the vaccines that we are using. as you noted, the moderna will be available for boosting as well as the j&j two months after the initial dose. we also developed a plan where we can work forward for mix and match but specifically to your question, the fda and cdc saw important date of from the nih
oon the mix-and-match approach. and how when you boost a j&j vaccine it with a pfizer or moderna vaccine, you get a really good antibody response. we also saw clinical data from j&j themselves that when you boost the j&j with the j&j vaccine, you get really good effecteffectiveness there as we. that's why we left it to the people because quite honestly, most people did really well with their initial vaccine series. the vast majority of people did really well and we have 410 million people who have been vaccinated, or for 10 million vaccines that have been given and so people want to pick the one that they got before but if you want something else, we left that option up to you. >> chris: it just briefly though, according to the data, if you get the j&j booster after you get the initial dose, it boosted your antibodies fourfold. if you got the moderna after the j&j at booster antibodies 76
fold. if you are talking to a friend or relative, it seems like it's a no brain are. >> chris: s>> dr. walensky: we'e different because of data but we saw people and clinical effectiveness that demonstrated a really good response to j&j as well. so i would leave it up to the clinical situation if i was talking to a specific person. if people want j&j again, then they might very well want an mrna on that would be fine, too. >> chris: could you at some point change the definition of what it needs to be fully vaccinated to the comic initial dose, plus the booster, if that's going to be what it mea means? >> dr. walensky: the definition of fully vaccinated is pfizer or maturing after you have received two doses, you are considered fully vaccinated. and after j&j, a single dose, you are considered fully vaccinated. i want to be very clear about that. >> chris: so the boosters will not change that definition, at least at this point?
and >> dr. walensky: we don't have a plan to change that definition right now. >> chris: the fda a panel of both this week on whether to approve the emergency use of the pfizer vaccine for 28 million children ages five through 11, and a cdc panel was supposed to meet the week after next, the first week of november. assuming all goes well, how soon could you be sitting there as a cdc director saying the kids five through 11, it's safe to get a vaccine? >> dr. walensky: we know how many parents are interested in getting their children vaccinated and we intend to work as quickly as you can. important to note is the fda will meet this week and soon thereafter, as they are able to review all the science and conduct regulatory action, the cdc will meet. and if all of that goes smoothly, after reviewing all that science and doing the proper scientific due diligence, we will act quickly. what i can also say is, in the meantime here is important to logistical and operational plans
that are underway so that that vaccine will be out in the field as soon as we take action. >> chris: look, it's one thing to say whether you're going to get a vaccine. it's another thing to say whether or not you will get your 5-year-old a vaccine. in a poll that just came out only one-third of parents said they would be willing to let their children, even if it's approved by the fda and cdc, let small children get the vaccine "right away." do you think -- how tough do you think it's going to be to convince parents after you go through these approvals that it's safe to give a 5-11-year-old kid a vaccine ante, at that point should schools mandate that kids of the sage get the vaccine as they do lots of other vaccines? >> dr. walensky: right. so we have -- i'm really excited and enthusiastic about reviewing the science and i'm really hopeful that in that proper review will we'll get to a point where we have a vaccine for 5-11-year-olds. when and if we do, we have a lot of parents, as you noted, a
third who are ready to get their vaccinated right away, and we know we have a lot of work out of us just as we did with the initial vaccine. these numbers are the same as they were early december last year when the initial vaccine rolled out and as of today we have 80% of people who receive their first dose. we have to do all of that hard work again. education, communication, so we can get parents comfortable with getting their children vaccinated where so many parents are already. >> chris: how would you feel about schools mandating those vaccines once they are fully approved? >> dr. walensky: right now we are at authorization, we are having discussions about authorization so i think we need to get children vaccinated through this authorization and to get to approval before we can make a judgment there. >> chris: let's talk about mandates for adults. president biden was asked about the quite controversial mandates for essential workers at his town hall this week. take a look at his answer. >> should police officers,
emergency responders be mandated to get vaccines, and if not, should they be stay at home or that go? >> president biden: yes and yes. >> chris: it now if mandates by government and by private companies ha of essential worke, generally there's a big boost of vaccinations even though there may be some grousing, but there are cases of police officers or health workers or pilots that are walking up the job rather than get the vaccine. are you still full speed ahead on mandates for essential workers to get vaccinated? >> dr. walensky: we have seen that these mandates are getting more and more people vaccinated. here's what we know. the most disruptive thing that you can do to a workforce is to have a covert outbreak and not workforce. that was definitely not only send people home but send people to the hospital and some may pass. what we know from the police workforce is there have been more deaths from the coronavirus
over the last year and a half than all other causes of death for that workforce combined. so we believe it is very important to get these people vaccinated. there is a plan, should these people not want to be vaccinated, towards education and counseling to get people the information they need so that they are feeling comfortable in getting vaccinated. >> chris: but what about the argument, we are talking about public health here. and if you get -- and we'd seen some real resistance for instance in the chicago police department, and interest of public health on vaccinations, if you have a large part of the police force leaving, in terms of public health aren't you further behind the ball rather than having made gains? >> dr. walensky: you know, the way you can down a police force is by an outbreak in that police force so what we are working to do is mitigate that from happening. >> chris: finally, let's talk about where we are on covid. let me put some of the latest stocks up. cases are down, more than 50% in
the last month. but we are still seeing an average of more than 73,000 new cases per day and more than 1500 deaths per day which is still pretty bad. so first of all, where are we on the delta wave? >> dr. walensky: i think the numbers speak for themselves. you are absently right, cases are down come up with than 50% from where they were in september but we can't get complacent yet. as we said to come at 75,000 cases per day and 1500 deaths per day. the good news compared to where we were a year ago is that we have vaccines at work and that we have a lot of science that demonstrates how we can protect ourselves and how we can get cases down further. we know it's critically important to get people vaccinated, although 64 million people who have not yet been vaccinated, and then with scientific review, if we have a vaccine for our 5-11-year-olds working to get them vaccinated
and in the meantime practicing the proper mitigation strategies so we can get the case numbers and death numbers down. >> chris: do you believe that we are in the downturn of the delta wave, that the spike is over and it's heading out? >> dr. walensky: you know, i'm really encouraged to watch the numbers go down. the last several days, they have been hanging out at around 75,000 and so we still have some hard work ahead of us in order to bring those numbers down to where they were in may and june. >> chris: and you hear people talk about this, but what are the chances of another fifth wave of the virus as it begins to get colder and people start spending more time indoors? >> dr. walensky: well, i'm encouraged by numbers coming down right now but i have learned that we can't be complacent and that we need to be humble. the virus tends to find places that are under vaccinated. as our case numbers come down we need to continue to do the hard work of getting more and more
people vaccinated to prevent exactly what you described. >> chris: there's a lot of good sports on tv these days and if you watch sports, whether it's football games and stadiums or playoffs in baseball, we got some pictures up on the screen right now, doctor. you see hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people all packed together. not a mask insight. i understand it's outdoors, but what does that tell you, that there have not been spikes in most of these communities when you have people crowded into football or baseball stadiums? >> dr. walensky: we would still encourage people who are on vaccinated to wear a mask in those situations, but given that these games are outdoors, that tends to be a much safer environment. >> chris: finally, the holidays. first of all, halloween. what would you say to ki to of e kids can do and can't do. >> dr. walensky: i would say put on those costumes, stay
outside and enjoy your trick or treating. >> chris: whether people are vaccinated or not, as long as you're outside, you are safe? >> dr. walensky: i wouldn't gather in large settings outside and do screaming like you are seeing in those football games, if you are unvaccinated, but if you are spread out doing your doing or trick-or-treating, that should be very safe for your children. >> chris: what about thanksgiving and christmas? >> dr. walensky: you know, it's critically important that we gather and be with family and friends during the holidays and we have the prevention strategies that we know work to be safe for those holidays. so what i would say is get yourself vaccinated before you gather, it will absolutely be safer if you're vaccinated. any activity that is outdoors a safer than it is if it's indoors. and if you are gathering multiple households, make sure as many people are vaccinated as possible so you can protect the people who are vulnerable, who might not yet be vaccinated. our young children and our elderly. and do all those prevention
strategies that we know work before you arrive and as you arrive to make sure that everybody can be safe for the holidays and make sure that you are well as you gather. >> chris: dr. walensky, thank you. thank you for your good advice here and it's always good to talk with you. >> dr. walensky: likewise, thanks chris. >> chris: up next will bring in our sunday governor' group to discuss the governor's race in virginia, it's a dead heat with virginia, it's a dead heat with just nine days to go. >> announcer: "fox news thansunday" is brought to you by charles schwab, on your tomor tomorrow. ♪ ♪ options? plans we can build on our own, or with help from a financial consultant? like schwab does. uhhh... could we adjust our plan... ...yeah, like if we buy a new house? mmmm... and our son just started working. oh! do you offer a complimentary retirement plan for him? as in free? just like schwab. schwab!
>> chris: democrat terry mcauliffe and glenn youngkin debating what has become a hot topic in the home stretch of a closely watched virginia governor's race. it's time now for our sunday group. but they are, anchor of "special report" and author of the new best-selling book, "to rescue the republic." julie pace, executive editor of the press and business analyst. you've been following the
virginia governor's race closely on special report, what's your sense of where the race stands nine days out and just how big this issue is of parent involvement or not being involved in their kids education, how big that issue has become. >> chris, good morning and thanks for having me. i think it is extremely tight, every political operative i've talked to on both sides, they think it's coming down to the wire. in fact some of them are already preparing for overtime at the challenges, believe it or not, in this virginia governor's race. it's going to test the premise of whether mcauliffe's efforts to tie youngkin to donald trump will be a template for democrats and whether that works or not. and to borrow that phrase, is using a noun and verb it donald trump in every sentence he talks about on the trail. and youngkin's topping to that issue of legislation which has risen not only in virginia but nationally and it's having an
effect on the polls. >> chris: joe biden won the state of virginia just a year ago by ten points. if, and i repeat, if, and glenn youngkin were to beat the popular former governor of virginia terry mcauliffe in a state that has been trending from red to purple to blue, why do you think number one, it would be, and number two, how big of a warning sign that would be to democrats looking ahead to the 2022 midterms? >> i think first of all the polls are either tied or have mcauliffe in the lead so there's no reason to doubt that mcauliffe can win this contest. but history is very clear that off year elections like this one, midterm elections are really difficult for the party, and empower the party and holding the white house. in addition, the approval ratings are down. and so it becomes a matter of getting people excited and
getting them out to the polls. all of that is a challenge for mcauliffe at this moment. the flip side of this is if mcauliffe wins especially after the california recall effort by the g.o.p. failed to, i think then, you have to wonder if you are a republican, if you are not experiencing an earthquake going into next year's midterms, whether they can't win in a purple state like virginia when biden's numbers are down, and you know, they are playing all the culture war issues, then it becomes a question of can they escape trumps toxic politics going towards the midterms. >> chris: parents involvement in their children's education became an even bigger issue after october 4th when the justice department issued a memo saying, it was going to investigate threats against local school boards, against
local teachers. that played out in a house hearing this week with attorney general merrick garland. take a look. >> not in a million years did we dream that one day we would see the justice department treat american parents as domestic terrorists. >> the justice department supports and defends the first amendment right of parents to complain as vociferously as they wish about the education of their children, about the curriculum taught in the schools. that is not what the memorandum is about at all. nor does it use the words of domestic terrorism patriot act. >> chris: actually, it was national school boards association which had used the freda's domestic terrorism in asking the president and the federal government to get involved in this issue, and on friday, that same school board association apologized for calling parents involvement, and
particularly getting emotionally involved or making threats, domestic terrorism. having said all of that, how potent do you think this issue is, and republicans are clearly want to ride it whether idea of democrats somehow black parents from being directly involved in their kids is education? >> julie: i think it's a political issue that has become extremely potent and it taps into a lot of the culture wars that we've been seeing play out over the last several years. i do think it's important to be really clear about who is saying what, who is using the phrase domestic terrorism and who is not and making clear that with the justice department is talking about is investigating actual threats of violence. not as garland said to complaints or criticism of education but actual threats which we have been seeing on the rise. this has become an issue that has become emotional and potent and we are seeing for yo school board members fear for their safety. i think virginia will be the
first test on whether this is the type of issue that republicans can ride back to the minority next year. >> chris: if suburban parents and virginia and around the country come to feel that democrats are somehow trying to stand in the way of their getting involved in schools and their kids is education, isn't that -- doesn't that potentially open epic path for republicans to win back that key voting block of suburban voters, with parents but especially women that seem to be moving away from the g.o.p.? >> bret: 100%. in virginia particularly those races are won in the suburbs. i want to say that by painting a broadbrush end by saying it is culture wars, this education issue is deeper than that. i will also note that terry mcauliffe stepped in at numerous times saying those exact words that, i don't want
parents affecting how schools teach. in specific words. so when he comes out with an ad saying they are taking him out of context, all youngkin has to do is actually run the words again. so the candidate has stepped into this. i just think it's so potent, democrat or republican when parents are talking about what their kids are learning in schools, that it's a big issue. culture war or not. >> chris: it whether it's the issue of what kids are being taught in school about race, what republicans are calling critical race theory, whether it's a question of transgender rights in school, among students, doesn't this have the potential to be up very powerful issue that breaks for republicans and against democrats? >> i think it does, and if you look at fox poll it's like rates number four as great concerns to americans. but i have to say this is not
about parents having a voice, it's not about lgbtq rights or anything. even the quote that's used against terry mcauliffe and all of those i had said about him objecting to parents saying, some people said don't teach it makes white people feel guilty about slavery. well that's just craziness. but to me, this has become a proxy for injecting race into politics in a southern state. and i think you have to look at it in that context. i mean it's a wink and a nod, but it this is about race and protecting school officials, school board officials who have been intimidated or even assaulted, chris. and i don't think we should tolerate that as an american society. we can't have those kinds of vigilante attacks on public officials. >> chris: 30 seconds to respond in terms of what the concerns of parents are.
>> bret: i think condi rice put it very well on "w" and spoke from her perspective and i commend that sound bite to everyone, that she speaks from her point of view. i'm just saying that this issue really touches a nerve and it doesn't matter if you are democrat or republican, if it's having an effect on this race than it could be a template for rice us to come in 2020. >> chris: and let me just say, when a candidate has to do an ad in the final two weeks of the campaign and say my opponent is taking my own words out of context, he is seeing something in the polls he's worried about. the panel, we will take a break but we will see you later. up next, president biden's plan on the line. that we will speak with the democrats trying to work out a deal. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ my work helps save lives. ♪ my work has gone platinum. ♪
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optimistic about a deal at least publicly. it's often set a president gets the most on during his first year in office but time here is quickly running out. washington gridlock is alive and well. between republicans and democrats, but between democrats and democrats. >> are you close to a deal? >> president biden: i think so. >> david: west virginia senator joe manchin and kyrsten sinema continue to hold the cards as a president has come down significantly from his original $3.5 trillion social spending bill. the key issues actively being negotiated include pay fours, like raising taxes on billionaires and corporations. climate priorities and child tax credits. manchin shutdown report saying he's considering switching parties instead saying he is in good faith. and it sinema her silent streak.
>> can you comment on your stance on anything? >> david: meanwhile, republicans unified against suspending or watching democratic infighting from the sidelines. >> the infrastructure bill means you are getting this multitrillion dollar spending bill. they are linked together. the president sent doc said that nancy pelosi said that. and >> david: adil mapes and be reached for terry mcauliffe in the neck and neck rates against republican glenn youngkin. the winner of that race may be assigned as to which party controls congress following next year's midterm. the president meets today and delaware with senators chuck schumer and joe manchin to try to hammer out a deal over the next few days. president biden hoping to get a deal done before he heads overseas to meet with world leaders. >> chris: david spunt reporting from delaware. david, thank you.
let's turn now to congressman ro khanna, a member of the progressive caucus. we were also going to talk with moderate senator mark warner but he had to cancel out the last moment. congressman, welcome back. president biden and democratic leaders are talking about passing both the infrastructure pack package on the big tax and spend package this week. how likely is it that you will get deals and pass both of those before we do this show next sunday? >> congressman khanna: chris, it's likely. you could hold me to it, i guess. here's the thing, the president looked us in the eye and said i need this before i go represent the united states and glasgow, american prestigious on the line. many members understand that and we are working very hard to get a deal. i understand we are close and i'm confident we will get there. >> chris: let me ask you about that. some democrats are talking about passing the big bipartisan
infrastructure package, $1.2 trillion, even if the bigger reconciliation package isn't on this week in order to give president biden something to talk about of the climate summit in glasgow and also give terry mcauliffe and his governor's race a week until tuesday. can you as a progressive, because you've said you can get one without the other, would you approve the infrastructure package with this deadline even though you don't have a reconciliation agreement? >> congressman khanna: no, and the president doesn't want that. at the president needs the reconciliation to go to glasgow. that's what will hit his goals of 50% reduction by 2030. i'm confident we will have an agreement and i'm confident that the president will be able to give his word to the house caucus that he has that agreement, and that would then facilitate the vote of the infrastructure bill. >> chris: now speaker pelosi was on another sunday talk show this morning and she said, we may not have a deal on the
reconciliation part, the big tax and spend part, but we would have the framework. would that be enough for you? >> congressman khanna: well, the details matter. my view is that the president's word saying i have the commitment of 50 senators and those 50 senators are going to vote for this bill and here are the details. that that is good enough. but different numbers have different issues about what is exactly good enough. i don't think procedural is and will hold us back. if the president gives his word and has a clear commitment that will be good enough. >> chris: now, the big div element this week has not been on the spending side, it has been on the taxing side, the pay force side and the sudden's shift away from the way that democrats have been talking for months if not years on how they would pay for this big package. for months, the president has been clear about how he wants to do it. take a look at him. >> president biden: it's time for corporate america and the wealthiest 1% of americans to begin to pay their fair share.
[applause] just their fair share. speak one but now because kyrsten sinema says she opposes raising rates on wealthy americans, those making $400,000 and on corporations, there is suddenly talk of a wealth tax on about 700 billionaires. are you willing to vote for that without any real testing or vetting us to mark >> congressman khanna: i don't think the wealth tax makes sensd largely by people in my district, silicon valley and billionaires. our wealth has gone up 40% during the pandemic, $11 trillion of market cap in our area and they can afford to pay a wealth tax. but my question for senator sinema is actually voted against the trump tax cuts and i don't understand why she's not willing then to raise some of the rates back to what they were before the bill she voted against was and she hasn't explained it to anyone.
>> chris: it's let's be clear. you say if the president gives you his word, that's enough. if the president's word is we are not going to raise rates on people making more than $400,000 per year. we are not going to raise the average corporate parks rate from 21% to 525% and instead we have this billionaires talks. and just to explain it, instead of paying some kind of income tax, if a billionaire has assets and hasn't sold any of them, you are still going to pay a capital gains on what the inquiry has been in the value of the assets which is a little easier. when it stocks it gets pretty hard. when it's real estate or a fancy painting, painting, if he says it's going to be the billionaires talks but not raising rates on individuals and corporations, do you vote for that oregon state? >> congressman khanna: i would vote for that. the billionaires talks is actually a wealth tax, it's more progressive and what senator warren ran on. the bed and her socks i don't think will be enough, it would
have to be coupled with this minimum tax at the president has talked about, there are about 50 corporations are paying 0% in taxes and they would have to pay at least 7% in tax and amazon will have to pay 7%. if you had both of those and raise the revenue, i would before it. >> chris: even though you are not going to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy, as opposed to the super wealthy? >> congressman khanna: i would prefer would raise the corporate tax rates but if we can raise the revenue in these two other ways than i'm not going to vote against the bill if we can get the alternative through. especially wealth tax and corporate tax are good measures, and we saw the option of raising the corporate tax leader to get free community college or other areas where we want to have a meaningful change. >> chris: on the spending side, as david spunt made clear, the president and democrats are coming down sharply from three and a half trillion dollars to somewhere closer to $2 trillion
tops. and i want to put up some of the programs that could either be cut back or eliminated. letting medicare negotiate lower drug prices, expanding medicare to cover vision, hearing and dental cost. paid leave cut from 12 weeks as it was opposed to four weeks, scrapping the clean electricity program. he is white house press secretary jen psaki. >> compromise is not a dirty word and the alternative is not a larger package, the alternative is nothing. >> chris: can you accept congressman that you may have to believe a lot of things on your wish list on the sidelines, but it's better than nothing? >> congressman khanna: i agree with jen psaki, the compromise is good. i also agree with you, chris, that she's done a phenomenal job in conveying the president's message. but we have to get a compromise, we have to get a deal. and here's a reality, a 50
senators i agree with it and if you can get senator manchin and senator sanders to agree on something, i don't think you will have the house vote against it. so if the president represents that 50 senators are on board with the free market, then he will have the house. now if there is a holdout and progresses senators are opposed to it, then there's a problem. >> chris: finally, and you've got about 30 seconds here. how frustrated are you with senators at manchin and a sinema? >> congressman khanna: i mentioned earlier that senator manchin has been a straight shooter exactly where he stands. i disagree with areas but i respect that. i concerned with senators sinema's why are the rules different for her? why doesn't she go on shows like yours and was doesn't she explain herself? if she shifted her position then explain it. i've never seen a politician including form president trump who docs interactions with media and the constituents and that's my frustration with her. she is not clear about what she believes. >> chris: while i have to tell
you i'm a little frustrated, we've been trying to get her on the air and she won't even meet with us in private. thank you for joining us, we will be talking how the negotiations go this week on both ends of pennsylvania avenue. >> congressman khanna: i appreciate it, chris. >> chris: up next, our sunday group returns to discuss a whole new idea of how to pay for the biden agenda as well as the white house grumbling to clean up some of the president's comments at that big town hall this week. ♪ ♪ at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most.
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>> chris: a president biden expressing confidence that congress will pass his domestic agenda soon despite the big issues that still divide democrats on capitol hill. we are back now with the panel. julie, what do you think, where do you get the sense that democrats are on both passing infrastructure on the big tax and spend bill and how big of a lift kyrsten sinema, apparently throwing out all this talk for years about raising rates on the wealthy and corporations, and insisting on a wealth tax that has never been tried before? >> julie: if you listen to it to your previous guests, i think she's making progress in trying to the pay forward discussion in that direction. i think democrats really feel that it is imperative to get to the end of this week with, if not a final agreement, a very clear path forward. they are watching the virginia governor's race, they are watching joe biden head overseas where he's going to be meeting with allies and adversaries and trying to make clear that he has
an ability to make progress back home, that he is a politically relevant president right now and that is really what's on the line. that's what democrats this week are going to take some sit significant steps forward to try to get these two pieces of legislation moving forward even if that means significant changes to the pay for. the last couple of days, it's actually pretty remarkable but it does show the leverage that sinema has right now. >> chris: we should point out that ro khanna is progressive so the idea of the wealth tax that was proposed in the last campaign by elizabeth warren, he's pretty satisfied with. unfortunately, as we said, senator warner who is a member of the senate finance committee which is a tax-writing committee, and much more moderate, has not favored this idea at all. i guess i'm just astonished at the idea that after months and months of, you could say years, of moderates that are centrist like joe biden talking about raising rates on people making
more than $500,000 a year, corporations going up from 21% to 25 or 26%, suddenly all of that seems to be out the window and we are talking about a tax on 700 billionaires and that's never been tried not only in the u.s. but the best we could see it has never been tried anywh anywhere. >> bret: or the constitutionality of it and there will be challenges. listen, this is like a giant game of legislative jingo. you pull out one block and you've got to pull out another block and then the whole thing could tumble. i'm told we are a long way from all of this coming together. i think it's interesting that congressman ro khanna said in the open administration said that they need to steal before the summit in glasgow. announcing a full withdrawal from afghanistan by the anniversary of 9/11.
the this is important but you are a long way if you are going to change the pay for it is by this late in the game. finally, the last time there was a mesial political process take something this big was with obama in 2009-2010. there was a virginia governor's race then and republicans won. there was a midterm in 2010 were obama's words, he got selected by the republicans. i'm not seeing past is prologue but this is setting up to be messy in the final days. to be we should point out that mark warner, the absent mike warner said, there's a reason we only pass big tax bills every few years, because they are very complicated. and now we are talking in the period of a week, the whole ship has changed direction on how they are going to pay for this $2 trillion plan. i want to move to another big subject and that is president biden's town hall this week. he said a number of things at the white house had to rush out afterwards to clarify. take a look. >> would you consider the
national guard to help with the supply chain issue? >> president biden: yes, absolutely, positively i will do that. >> so you would consider the national guard for trucking? >> president biden: yes. >> so you would say the national guard would come to china's defense if china attacked? >> president biden: yes, we have a commitment to doing that. >> chris: it during the town hall the white house had to say, it's actually the governors who mobilized the national guard for state issues, not the president. and the president is not actively considering mobilizing the national guard on the also walked back the presidents talk about defending taiwan. we've always had a what is called strategic ambiguity there, not to run up against mainland china. so what's going on here with the president? >> i think if the suggestion is that he's a doddering old man, i think everyone in those panels has known joe biden for a long time and he is known for gaffes
and slip-ups and slips of the tongue and all that. so this is joe biden. i think that even with regard to strategic ambiguity on taiwan, versus a commitment to all-out war of china was to become -- it was to try to take over taiwan, i don't think that any viewer of a cable tv town even china is going to define joe biden's stand on the basis of the key points made there. with regard to taiwan which is a hot topic in washington and around the globe it is that biden and most of the u.s., most americans, what a very clear message sent to china that they should not think that the united states will stand by if they seek to take over taiwan. biden sent a very clear signal with regard to that by giving $750 million of military supplies to taiwan and sending -- assigning that submarine deal with australia. so i think those are the key
points. the whole notion that somehow joe biden has changed or somehow mentally deficient, i just find that insulting. >> chris: i didn't say that, i just said he set a bunch of things that weren't true and the white house had to clarify. we are talking about for instance whether he's actively considering the national guard to help free up the supply chain. he said he's actively considering it and he's the president. the next day jen psaki said no, he's not actively considering it. that's more than just a misstatement or gaffe. >> bret: that's right. you don't have to talk about the motives of how that happened, significant, it's a major cleanup in aisle four. when you are deep talking about something like mobilizing the national guard to mitigate the supply chain crisis alone taiwan, the white house has to walk back then. i do think it's significant and i do think that the president does not go out for a lot of
interviews. i've asked and you have asked, he doesn't do a lot of them. >> chris: no he doesn't. in about 20 seconds, julie, is that where the white house is so protective about the president's engagement reporters? >> julie: i think his words matter and the white house would like the president to stay on script. we would rather have more interactions like the one we saw last week. >> chris: and then more clarifications. thank you panel, see you next sunday. up next, our power player of the week. this coach has created a world class training facility in d.c.'s inner city for one of track and field's most unusual events. ♪ ♪ ♪ now listen to the beat ♪ ♪ kinda pat your feet ♪ ♪ it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪
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>> chris: every year thousands of high school kids crush it in football, baseball and basketball but they still don't earn college scholarships. now, when coaches recruiting them to master a lesser-known sport, showing how it can propel them to their dreams. he is our power player of the week. his goal >> it's not like running where any person on the street can do that. if you can pick up a pole, you are a little bit special. >> chris: edward lucie is talking about the sport that has become his life's work. he is the founder of d.c. vault which, yes, as raised the bar for elite training in one of track and field's unique events. how good were you?
>> when i started college i was jumping around 17 feet. >> chris: but after an injury ended his career, he began coaching. >> put your knuckles here and put your palm here. >> chris: he initiated a program he built specifically for the inner-city. >> i wanted to set up inside of a major city as opposed to the suburbs where it would make more sense with client access. i wanted to provide the training to the inner-city high school kids because it's just not available in most inner-city public schools it seems around the country. >> chris: he says these kids can leverage pole vaulting into scholarships. stages street events hoping to recruit them. >> a lot of folks that come from some of the lower incomes, i take them off to the side and talk to them about what we can do for them and go from there. >> chris: d.c. vault is designed for athletes at all levels, from newbies to those that he thinks could someday break records. >> nice. >> chris: so this is the
world record height for pole vault. >> yes, it is, 20 feet 2 inches. >> chris: does not seem unimaginably high for you? >> in 20 feet does. anything above 16 feet you start wondering why that bar is up there. >> chris: i might bring it a little lower, ten or 11, and start wondering why it's up there. [laughs] you say the sport attracts outliers, kids who don't fit in in a more conventional sense? >> it kind of gives them bragging rights. if someone says, what do you do, i play soccer. okay great. what do you do, i pole vault and everyone stops, they hit the brakes. you show them the video and they are amazed. >> chris: at the sport is expensive, and polls can cost up to $1,000 so d.c. vault has a rental program and he has shorter poles for fly kids, ages six and up. >> chris: we have some really
young kids who are spectacular right now and we have a decade to work with them before they get out of high school. >> chris: at 6-year-olds pole vaulting? some of his students have been national standouts like olivia gruber who plays forth in year's olympics trials. >> started her from zero and trained all through high school and she got a scholarship opportunity in college. >> chris: but for him, the olympic goal isn't the real price. >> i would love to see somebody develop like that, yeah. but i would like to see each individual develop to the maximum their potential and their level, whatever that is. >> chris: he says he thinks a couple of the kids that you saw in our story may one day break major records. and that's it for today. have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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