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>> chris: i'm chris wallace. president biden try stand a fight between moderate and progressive wings of his party. >> we need to get this reconciliation bill. >> there is more liberal spirit >> it doesn't matter if it's in 6 minutes, six days, or six weeks. we are going to get it done. >> the present pledging to builder to provide and progressives who want to wait on a sweeping plan to read to reshape the safety net. we will talk with white house senior executive cedric richmond and asked congressman ro khanna
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about the president's call to go with a price tag through plus get reaction from the number three republican and the senate, john barrasso. only on "fox news sunday." then we will ask our sunday panel about joe biden's presidency at a crossroads. our power players of the week. the team working round the clock to ensure no service member is left behind. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. this was supposed to be the weak house kevin kratz passed the bipartisan infrastructure plan and give president biden a much-needed legislative victory. this sunday, the party is still deadlocked between the moderates who want infrastructure and progressives who are determined to block that bill until i get the massive social spending they
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want. president biden is talking about taking weeks about trying to resolve the differences within his own party. the real danger? he ends up with neither part of his domestic agenda. in a moment, we will speak with senior advisor cedric richman and cala to california congressman ro khanna. but let's bring in david at the white house with the latest on the effort to find a compromise. >> high matt, chris. as he was senator, joe biden spent it was 40 years on capitol hill compromising. finding a compromise in this congress will be tough, but it is not possible. before leaving for a week and a delaware, a confident president biden said that he will take its time pushing both items on his list list. but telling progressives that they must come off of their three half trillion dollar topline for their social spending bill. >> we need to be real.
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are we going to deliver universal pre-k to this country are not? are we going to expand health care to our seniors and include vision and dental are? >> congressman led by josh gottheimer have no time for the delays writing, "it's regrettable that speaker pelosi breached her commitment to members of congress and american people to hold a vote and pass a once in a century bipartisan people." in a saturday letter to her caucus, she wrote, "we will and. with response building opportunity to do so. but centrists are focused on the infrastructure bill and they have's report from republicans." because that's what's wrong with washington, d.c. speak out negotiations are ongoing into this comes to vote
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and meanwhile, there's another talk to my clock ticking until the nation hits the debt limit. >> chris: thank you. and joining us now, senior advisor to the preside presiden, cedric richmond. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> cedric: . thank you for having me. screw in the house is out of session for the next two weeks and the massive spending bill has not been written yet. here at present biden on friday. >> president biden: i'm telling you we are going to get this done. it does not matter when. it doesn't matter if it's in the next 6 minutes, six days, or six weeks. we are going to get it done. >> chris: when the president said six weeks, mr. richman, are we talking to him realistically, something in that time frame? >> cedric: we do not have a time frame on it. this is about delivering and making sure that we are
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delivering both bills to the american people because it meets their needs. we are not using artificial timeline and we are not concerned with process. we are concerned with delivery. >> chris: but you can't deliver until you complete the process. the president has come at various points, been all over the map on whether or not the bs are linked. as of friday, they are again. >> cedric: the president wants both bills and he expects against both bills. nancy pelosi has said they are going to pass both bills and we believe that because we know that both are very popular and both meet the needs of the people right now. we are going to continue to work on both. keep her headstone to make sure we deliver. >> chris: would you agree that both the moderates and the democrats have a veto in effect and the progressives have a veto
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over the infrastructure bill? >> cedric: the future may be intertwined a little bit. we do not necessarily agree that they are mutually exclusive. the point is very simple. we need to make sure that we look at all of the programs that we need to deliver, create a bill, and so that we can get a pass the congress. it's just that simple. >> chris: on friday, the president told the house democratic caucus, and especially the progressives, they're going to have to come down on the price tag for that big social spending bill from three and a half trillion dollars. what they have been talking about come up to more about $2 trillion. still a pretty pricey neighborhood. it is still more then senator's and cinema have been talking about. the person talks about bringing it down a trillion and a half dollars, does he want to bring
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it down or is he thinking or talking about funding all of them at a reduced level for a shorter time. the expiration note, as you know as well as i do from a former member of progress, it's an old gimmick here in washingt. >> cedric: those decisions will be made in conjunction with members of congress. everybody wants to bring down the cost of prescription drugs in health care and expanded so more people have appeared want to make sure we do the child tax credit and we cut taxes for working families. those are things that the entire democratic caucus is united about. we do not look at this as a number. we look at this as what programs are we going to deliver question was how do we ensure that we have child care so that parents can enter into the workforce and stay in the workforce?
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for us, it is about making sure that we meet the needs and vision of president biden. >> chris: this is a big decision. you can find fewer programs and keep them going for a longer time, or you can find all of the programs and the wish list but then you are setting dates when they go out of -- that there are no longer in effect. that runs the risk that when they run out in 2025, the congress and president at that time will not renew them. >> cedric: i would make an argument, whenever they expire, the vision of the people of the country and what they want. we know clearly that bypassing the child tax credit in american rescue plan come up we are reducing child poverty by 50%. that's what the child tax credit is the number one thing that we are trying to get accomplished now. we see how it lifted children and families out of poverty and we want to do it again.
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if that fight comes back in 2025, 2026, or any other year, we are going to be prepared to fight for it and american people will know just how important it is. >> chris: senator joe manchin. he is still at one and a half trillion dollars. here is what he said it in a statement this week. "spending trillions more on new and expanded government programs when we cannot even pay for the essential social programs like social security and medicare is the definition of fiscal insanity." is it senator manchin wrong? >> cedric: i won't say that he is wrong, but i will say that this administration, we know what we need to do. we need to deliver for the american people. 17 nobel laureate economist said that if we pass both of these plans we would reduce inflation. we need to work and make sure
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that senator manchin understands that this affects the future in terms of making sure that we invest in american families so they can determine their own destiny. we think we've unity of purpose senator manchin. that is what the president is best. that is to talk to senator manchin and make sure that he understands the entire vision why we need to do it and what amount. at the end of the day, what's important for people to understand is that this piece of legislation cost $0. we're going to pay for it all by raising taxes on the very wealthy and big corporations. >> chris: i have to stop you there. it does not cost dollars. whether it's a 1 trillion, $2 trillion, it does cost that amount of money. you can pay for by borrowing it or you can raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy, but it does not cost $0. >> cedric: at the end of the dollars it will cost $0.
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the trump tax credits, we are going to be for everything that we spent here. that is not including the economic benefits and gains that we will get from it. we know what we are doing. if you look at the american rescue plan, the economy grew faster than it has in the last 40 years. we created more jobs than many stomach and administration in the history of this country. the president knows what he's doing, and he's going to deliver for the american people. we are confident that we are going to bring democrats with us. >> chris: i can understand the argument that a lot of people say your math is wrong and that it will not add $0 to the debt. you can make the argument that if you pay for it you had $0 to the debt but it does not mean that it cost $0. the fact that you are raising people's taxes is a cost. >> cedric: we are also reducing taxes in this piece of legislation.
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50 million americans are going to get a tax cut. >> chris: but not that. if it is a $2 trillion spending plan, that and that would cost $2 trillion. >> cedric: i'm not sure about that. that's why we will make sure that all of the democrats are involved in how we shape it. everyone is worried about a top number. what we should be worried about is the programs we deliver so people can reenter the workforce and children do not drink poison water at school and in their homes. this is not about politics or process. it is about purpose in accomplishing a meeting the needs of th the american people. >> chris: final question. what is at stake here? if congress fails to pass both the infrastructure package and the social spending package, what is at stake in terms of the biden presidency and the democrats in the 2022 midterms?
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>> cedric: this is why left congress. president biden is not worried about politicse people. that's what we are focused owe d down and deliver. we're going to deliver lower prescription drug cost peer people cannot get their drugs at the end of the month to save their lives. going to keep focusing on covid. this is not about politics. this is about delivering for people. this president's desire to empower hi families. >> chris: always good to talk with you, sir. let's turn to representative ro khanna. congressman, as we have noted, president biden and is talking to house democrats on friday said to progressives that this number, three and a half
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trillion dollars, it's going to have to come down. here's how the head of your progressive caucus, how she reacted to that. take a look. >> it's going to be tough. we are going to have to come down and our number and were going to have to do that work. were going to get to work and were going to see what we can get to. >> chris: let me ask you the same question. how do you get down to that lower number? one is that you push forward fewer proposals and back to more fully or you keep all of the proposals but you give them sunset dates which come as we both no, is an old d.c. budget gimmick. >> representative khanna: we confront all the benefits and have less years, but the presidents is as honest broker. he's going to bring all of the stakeholders together and i trust him to bring about compromise. let me bring in perspective. donald trump on a $7 trillion in debt and his term. his vision was cut taxes to grow the economy.
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we have a different vision. we do want to spend money and inveinvesting in the american pe as a way to grow. that's our vision. >> chris: let's talk about other ways you could cut the expense here. one of them -- to have them joe manchin is talked about. one is means testing. instead of giving the benefits to everyone regardless of income level, people get phased off stomach out. there's also talk that is not included in current idea for a work requirement for people getting the child tax credit. what you think about those about targeting people? >> representative khanna: it depends on what we're talking about. if we are talking about a child tax credit, that's already phased out. there are some things that we have to do together as american spirit should we really have
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segregated classes and public school? when i went to first grade, you would brew carly kids and you would rich kids. when we talk about having every american at preschool like they have in france, everyone should get community college. senator mentions that we have 11 million jobs unfilled. how do we get people credentials customers i don't think that she means tested. i think we can compromise on what means compromise what doesn't. >> chris: what you think of joe manchin? >> representative khanna: i respect him. he cares deeply about his state if any has been transparent. we disagree, but he's been clear about what his ideals are. >> chris: let's talk about what he is shot straight about.
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he has taught dominic said that the >> i don't fault any of them who said they are much more progressive and much more liberal. all we have to do is we have to elect more. >> chris: does have a point? one of the things he's basically saying is that you do not have a mandate. joe biden did not have a mandate and democrats of congress do not have a mandate for this enormous social spending. if you want to govern like fdr with the new deal or lbj with the great society, win these super majorities that fdr and lbj had and that joe biden and all of you do not have. >> representative khanna: i do not think that senator manchin and i are that far apart.
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trumps spending was $7 trillion. this is three and a half trillion over ten years. here's what i would say to senator manchin having been to a state. you know who created the wealth over the last year and where all the wealth is going? my district. silicon valley has done direct for coven pandemic. let's tax folks who have made millions of dollars with the digitalization of the economy it's we can help the rural america and places that have been left behind. lisa's in west virginia that need emplacement and industrialization in jobs and child care. senator manchin and i come if we sent out, we could come to an agreement. it's about economic growth in the 21st century, and we don't see the stomach think the tax cuts and wars are the way to get there. >> chris: why is there such a split in your body? the house moderates were saying give us a vote the past week on infrastructure and we will support. we will negotiate, but we will
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support a social spending plan and you progressives would not trust them. why not? >> representative khanna: honestly, there was not a split. we agreed to do a joe biden wants. medicare for all is not inhere. >> chris: timeout here. the fact is that nancy -- wait a minute. nancy pelosi promised moderates a vote last week. first on monday, then on thursday. she said that she was going to give it to them but you and the progressive caucus refused to give it to them. why did you not trust them that if you pass their plan they would vote for your plan? >> representative khanna: what i said with the progressive caucus said is what we will dot the president wants to do. i did not get one call from the speaker's office or the majority leader's office. 95% of the party has been with president biden. he wants both bills and those are his bills. he wrote those bills. that is his vision.
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his vision is that we want people to have child care and want people to have community college. we want folks to get dental and vision and i will follow the president on the compromise. >> chris: 5:30 seconds left here, sir. i do not mean to interrupt, but are you saying that the white house wanted these two bills? there is talked at some white house top officials were saying that progressives need to stand their ground and it's okay to length these two bills. >> representative khanna: ron never said that to me, but they never said we had to vote for the infrastructure bill. what i heard directly from the president is that he wants both bills. that has always been his vision. at least i can speak for myself, i would not have contradicted the president's vision. what i have said consistently when most progressive has said is that we want to do with the president wants. the house moderates thought that joe biden it is a moderate and he agrees with us. this time, he is didn't. he agreed that we want both bills.
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>> chris: congressman, thank you for joining us today and we will be tracking how negotiations go in the weeks to come. >> representative khanna: think you for having me. >> chris: up next, reaction from republican senator john brasa who said that democrats big spending plans will boost inflation and push the country toward socialism. ♪ ♪
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>> chris: while democrats are caught in a battle over spending priorities, republicans are watching from the sidelines with an eye on next treatment terms. joining us now from wyoming, the number through republican in the senate, john barrasso. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> senator barrasso: great to be with you. spill you just heard my conversations with cedric richmond and congressman ro khanna. your reaction? >> senator barrasso: we are watching episode of the twilight zone. i thought joe biden went to the hill on friday to get the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed and instead, he surrendered to the radical wing of his party. you now have this big government socialism reckless spending bill
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being used to hold hostage think that the american people want. roads, bridges, highways. all of those things. when a bipartisan bill passed a 50/50 senate, and had 69 votes. it was a lot of momentum o world, that would've been signed into law by the president. this was two months ago. this was before afghanistan and the president lost a lot of political muscle. now we're at a point where the president is weak and bernie sanders, the far left democrats are driving the bus. joe biden is just along for the right. >> chris: let's talk about politics on both sides. as you point out, 19 of your fellow republican senators voted for the bipartisan infrastructure plan in the senate. you did not. you called for the reconciliation bill and you called it a freight train to socialism. you and all republicans are were faultrefusing raising the debt .
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are you refusing it on merits or politics? >> senator barrasso: the american people want the sort of things that are in the bipartisan bill spirit roads, bridges, ports, airports. all of those things are important. i had concerns with the gimmicks that were used to fund it. i thought it spent too much. there were some issues i did not like in terms of -- i thought it was going to make energy more expensive and undermine our grid. you have a 50/50 senate. 69 votes is a big number of votes to support something. on this $3.5 trillion infrastructure proposal that the democrats are focusing on right now with trillions of dollars of increased taxes and trillions of dollars of increased debt every republican is united against it. we are a party at that wants to grow the economy.
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the democrats are a party that wants to grow the government. you heard it right there. they are continuing to try to mislead the public by saying it is free or not free. cedric said that inflation will go down. inflation, people are feeling the bite of inflation right now when they buy groceries, buy gas, all of those things. if this stuff passes this massive spending and a tax bill means that inflation will get worse. >> chris: let's talk about the specific programs in this big social spending bill. is part of the trump tax cuts in 2017, you voted to increase the child tax credit from 1000 to $000. the democrats would extend that to 2025 at a higher level. your state of wyoming is one of the states that benefits most from the increase in the child tax credit why oppose that?
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>> senator barrasso: you are talking about a $3.7 trillion massive bill. >> chris: forgive me, sir. i'm asking about the specific part of the bill. i understand that their parts you don't like, but for instance -- part of the question is could you have worked with them on the child tax credit which you voted for in 2017? that is one of the things you are voting against right now question dominic. why is pose that program? >> senator barrasso: it's part of the bigger bill. as any senator of congress, you have to look at the entire balance in your forte or against it. i would point out that the democrats are not talking to republicans about anything. bernie sanders said that 48 people ought to be able to overload 2 come up with their 100 members of the senate. it is 52 against the democrats proposing here. this matters just as much if not
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more than the cost. i have gotten more letters in the last two weeks on one component of this which is the issue of giving a whole new army of irs agents to rifle through your checking account and look at any check you deposited or wrote for over $600. this is an invasion of privacy. every senator's hearing about this. that is included as well. when you take a look at the entire bill which is why joe manchin said it is time for a strategic cause dominic potts. it looks like there may be a long pause on the infrastructure bill. >> chris: you talk about things you don't like like the added irs agents and added irs intrusion. let's talk about another part of the bill which is universal pre-k. in a state of wyoming, less than one quarter of children 3-4 who would be covered in the bill are enrolled and publicly funded preschool.
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less than one quarter. wouldn't a lot of wyoming families benefit from universal pre-k? >> senator barrasso: there's a number of things that would help wyoming. overall, joe biden's policies have been hurting the people of wyoming. i believe that there should be means tested. you do not give things universally to everybody. there should be work requirements involved. the democrats are trying to separate work requirements from just free government checks and programs. you heard the progress men from the progressive caucus said that everybody should get free community college, day care, pre-k. although. that's not the way our country has been founded. >> chris: i've less than one minute left. are you enjoying the divide in the democratic party? question >> senator barrasso: we are seeing that joe biden is
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neither competent nor a centralist. people are feeling less safe with him as a president. their paychecks are left safe because of the inflation. when you look at hundreds of thousands of people legally coming to the country every month, they feel less safe. when the generals testify as they did that we are less safe to terrorism, joe biden has no walk the plank for the socialist bernie sanders budget. he is man overboard and he cannot swim. he is sinking and he has sunk. >> chris: senator john barrasso, thank you very much. i love the metaphors. thank you and thank you for your time. always good to talk with you. up next, we will bring or send a group to discuss prospects for both of these bills. what failure to pass that would mean for the biden presidency.
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♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪ >> president biden: there's no reason why these bills could not pass independently except that they are not supposed to do it that way. it is a simple proposition. i support both of them and i think we get them both passed. >> chris: president biden expressing confidence that congress will pass his domestic
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agenda despite continuing deep divisions within his own party. it is time now for our sunday group. steve hayes, editor of the dispatch. fox news contributor marie harf and jonathan swan will join us. jonathan, it is fair to say at the end of this very eventful week that there is more backbiting among democrats. house moderates out and when joe biden was coming to the hill on friday, he was coming to raleigh support for the infrastructure bill. he did not do that. he seemed to lengthen and i thought it was interesting to say ro khanna say that he did not get a single word from anybody in the white house say to support the infrastructure bill which is a message in and of itself. what is going on in the bite and white house? >> jonathan: i think that joe biden, you just played the clip, he said it's a saintly. they do not have the votes.
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what the people expected it -- some people, not everyone, but some, is that the progressives would fold. nancy pelosi with her hammer would push them to have them vote and they would dissolve. you have to give them a lot of credit. they stuck together and they were very cohesive. they stuck together and said, "no, were not going to separate the two belts. we are going to demand that they stick together." they won the fight. right now, they're going to face and externally painful two weeks because it is not about -- everyone talks about the topline number of $3.5 trillion or $1.5 trillion. and that is a bunch of programs that are considered vital by many of these democrats and their constituents. they have to make really tough choices. do we get rid of paid family leave, child care question work which we do with climate change
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and helping homeless? they have to make really tough policy choices underneath that. >> chris: you have close ties across the party. people say that this is now a fight between house democrats, senate democrats, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi and president b president biden. >> marie: it's interesting. a lot of those reported fights are very inside baseball here in d.c. they are important because they help guide the policies eventually get in what will be a successfully passed bill eventually. these deadlines are fairly artificial. there's nothing magical about yesterday or friday when they were trying to get the bill done. if democrats, all of those different factions, can come together and get the pills done whenever that is, after a painful few weeks it will be
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incumbent upon them to go out to states and say that here is what your citizens are getting out of the bills. as factly the questions you asked senator john barrasso. these will help states led by republicans. they do not have a good answer on republican side for things like child tax credit or things like these very popular pieces. democrats are going to say that none of the republicans spat and i on spending the trump tapscote can we not spend as much on our people coming out of a crisis and a hat? >> chris: if there's one phrase i hate washington reporting is make or break. suddenly, it is revived. what you think is the realistic
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chances that it may be reduced but the infrastructure and social spending plan will be passed by the democrats even with razor-thin majorities? >> steve: you're exactly right. it is still possible. there's no question that democrats could eventually come together to pass these plans. you have seen this again, again, and again covering washington. the challenge for democrats right now is the bitterness amongst these factions is increasing right now. not decreasing. your interview with representative ro khanna and the question you put to him with reporting but the white house has been cycling privately to the progressives, i think that the white house gambled that infrastructure would not work eventually. what they wanted to do with essentially show people like senator manchin and senator sinema and other moderates that republicans cannot be worked with and am going to have to pass the bite and agenda a partisan basis.
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that complicates their original plan. what you are seeing now are significant difference among these factions know you have people that are nice on your show come up they're taking shots at moderates saying that they're selling to corporate interests and they want to boost the republican agenda. they're not committed to president biden. these are hard feelings that will take bit depth asked if there ever going to make the things work. >> chris: jonathan, and this charge situation, does the white house have a battle plan question what does it have a strategy to pass both parts of the agenda and what is it? >> jonathan: if they do, it's very well concealed. there's a debate inside the white house right now between president biden's top aides and its economic advisors on whether
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to cold problems together, reduce programs, and do them better to make them permanent benefits of the american people feel or proceed with the vast range of programs that they have the original bill but lower the spending on them. that would mean income as you pointed out, sun setting them. there are downsides to both approaches. one being that you deliver programs poorly and create a whole lot of uncertainty in the lives of vulnerable people in their lives with all of the cliffs. when unemployment benefits expire in these crises. it is a tough set of choices they have to face to bring the number down to $2 trillion. who would've thought we would talk about down to $2 trillion and who would've thought you would say to some congressmen you can of your entitlement but he can't have his. panel, we have to take a break
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>> we are a nation state. do you do that we can just have open borders is something that as a practical matter is unsustainable. >> chris: former president obama laying out the challenge that the biden administration now faces as huge number of migrants continue to make their way towards the southern border. we are back now with the panel. before we get into this, i would like to say, because we're getting some people sending us messages, we did not cut off senator john barrasso. he was on skype in his home in wyoming. i do not want to get in trouble with skype, but it went bad.
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we did not cut him off and we would never do that. i was enjoying his talking about walking the plank and not being able to swim your steve cohen with that cleared out, there were reports that 16-18000 more haitians are on the way coming up from latin america through the jungles of make panama into mexico and up to the border. it makes what we have seen so far in del rio pale in comparison. what is a say about the biden administration and its failure to get a handle on the immigration crisis? >> steve: it's a huge problem and it is in fact a crisis. the biden administration came into office taking a long-term view of the approach to the border and the approach to growing migration which has been taking place for a decade. we have seen these numbers for ten years but now there's been an additional spike.
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you would vice president working on deals with the northern triangle companies and with countries in central america. in fact, asking them to be a frontline border patrol for the united states. the problem is, it was not in their interest to do that preemptive enforcement for us. they believe, and many of cases, it's in their best interest to not do that. she pushed the problem forward and it has not worked. the conditions that are pushing people to come are not going to abate. you're having the covid crises, government, social, economic. they're going to keep sending people north. >> chris: they announced a new enforcement policy this week that will focus primarily on migrants who have come just across the border illegally or migrants in this country who
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pose a threat to national security or are a threat to security in general. not focus on migrants who have been in this country for a while and not committed crimes. do they think that is going to do anything to stop the flood of people coming up from latin and central america? >> jonathan: it is just a band-aid. when he talked to senior officials, they acknowledge -- f crisis is that steve just outlined, it's unprecedented. when you overlay a global pandemic with a earthquake in haiti and the assassination of the leader, the economic crisis in the region, it's only getting worse. my colleague interviewed panama's prime minister and this is only getting worse. some of it is endorsement from the biden administration's policies and traffickers using it to message people and the
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reason saying come on out, not. there's got to be enforcement on the u.s. side but there has to be cooperation for others in the region because the scale of the problem has become so massive that is going to require solutions. >> chris: hears description of the border this week. take a look. >> huge national security problem. we have people crossing the border and we've heard number of people in the thousands. >> chris: this is the kind of uncontrolled illegal immigration that can cost a party politically. you even had former president obama this week talking about everything that smacks an open border being unsustainable. >> marie: the two constituencies democrats are and should be concerned about.
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first, and his border states of texas, new mexico, arizona, democrats have made gains and were looking to make more. but they are nervous about the politics and he states as a crisis of the border gets worse. but they're also worried about the progress of flank. joe biden may have sided with them on infrastructure and reconciliation, but the progressive flank of the party is increasingly noisy about the fact that joe biden is keeping some of the trump policies in place or trying to with title 42, for example. progressive say that joe biden ran on restoring dignity and humanity to the white house so why is the border looking like this? democrats are worried about the politics of both and trying to walk a line that is, quite frankly, very tricky to do. there are no easy answers and no good answers right now. >> chris: steve, how potent an issue is this an issue for republicans or how potent of an issue did they think it is for them if we continue to have this
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crisis at the border in the run-up to the 2022 midterms? >> steve: potent for different reasons. one is that the recent re-suggest. it's chaos on the border. it's going to have follow-ups for people running competitive races and swing districts down there. secondarily, if you look nationally, it's what president biden said he was running on which was returning the country to normal after the chaos of the trump years and competence. has not shown that. if you look at what is been happening on the border since he has been sworn in, we knew this was going to happen. none of this was a surprise. all of the conditions were there in the biden team was asked, before he was sworn into office, what they were going to do to handle this understood crisis that was growing. we have not seen competent governance. i thought they had years to solve a problem when in fact it was a growing crisis.
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that is something that is likely to last throughout the next year and 13 months as a reflection on his own words incompetence. >> chris: thank you, panel. we're going to have to leave it there but to be continued. up next, our power players of the week. the skilled investigators by the military's efforts to return the lost heroes american soil. ♪ say it's all right ♪ ♪ say it's all right, it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ now listen to the beat ♪ ♪ kinda pat your feet ♪ ♪ it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ oh, it's all right ♪ ♪ limu emu & doug ♪
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>> chris: it is a pillar of the u.s. military create it leave no one behind. it turns out that the pentagon is determined to keep that commitment in life as well as in death. it is the chop of our power players of the week. >> for me, this is the most purposeful mission in the entire department of defense. speak out ladies and gentle man, good afternoon. >> chris: retired major general kelly mccaig needs p.o.w. m.i.a. agency. identifying and finding missing service members. they search around the world remains from conflicts dating back to world war ii. >> they are currently close to 82,000 that are still missing of which we believe 38,000 are recoverable. >> chris: how to determine
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with or not remains are recoverable or not? >> are historians will comb through records and battle information. if they are able to narrow down an area, we can send in archaeologists or anthropologists with which to conduct a field recovery. >> chris: their case files on every one of the missing and the work combines international diplomacy with csi technology. >> we will look at anthropology, we will look for dna associations, material evidence, clavicle matching, as well as stable isotope analysis. >> chris: some 15% of our nation's unknown are buried in places like the national cemetery of the pacific. in hawaii's punch bowl crater. that is where the dpa made a major discovery this year.
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>> a few months after arriving in korea, his unit is overwhelmed by chinese forces. as the unit leaders ordered a retreat, he said he needed to stay. >> he went from foxhole to foxhole comforting the wounded until he was captured. >> he administered to all of the pows in the camp. he stole food and medicine under the noses of the guards to provide it, comfort, and relief to his fellow prisoners. for that, he was mistreated badly. >> chris: his defiance of his captors did not end there. he held eastern mass for his fellow ohmic fellow pows. >> because of starvation, malnutrition, as well as treatment, he ended up passing away in may of 1951. his colleagues over in the camp revere him. >> chris: seven decades later, his decad remains were returneds
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family. a horse drawn carriage. his resting stomach remains to a final resting place in kansas. what does it mean to you having devoted so many years to identify him? >> here we are, literally 70 years after he died in that p.o.w. camp, able to bring this final answer or a man that made the supreme sacrifice for an action is an indescribable feeling. >> chris: he was named a servant of god up by pope john paul ii. that is the first step on the path to sainthood. that is it for today. have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪
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