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viewers like you. thank you. announcer: and now, "bbc world news". i'm laura tren washington and this is bbc world news america. russia's prime minister tells the bbc nearly four months into the fighting. sergei lavrov refuses to say his country has invaded ukraine, repeating the crib in mind that there is not a conflict. >> we did not invade ukraine. we declared a specialitary operation because we had no other way of explaining to the west that draing ukraine into nato was a criminal act. >> a dramatic testimony. the committee investigating the
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u.s. capitol here is that rioters got within 40 feet of president mike pence. donald trump is accused of being a clear and present danger to american democracy. we will be getting reaction from ron christie who worked in the white house under george w. bush. in central africa.. and, the secrets of britain's past discovered in the past of a new railway line. welcome to world news america on pbs and around the globe. one of president putin's closest advisers i'm a prime minister sergei lavrov, told the bbc that russia did not invade ukraine, just a special military
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operation. russia's invasion of ukraine is almost four months old. mr. lavrov has been at the heart of power in russia for almost 20 years. he spoke to our russia editor stephen rosenberg. >> it was the first time sergei lavrov agreed to meet since moscow launched its offensive in ukraine. russia's government created a parallel reality. invasion? what invasion? >> we did not invade ukraine. we declared a special military operation because we h absolutely no other way of explaining to the west that dragging ukraine into nato was a criminalct. russia's special operation has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths in ukraine. moscow claims it is protecting russian speakers and fighting nazis. >> i quoted a you in report
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about a ukrainian village where russian soldiers forced hundreds of people, including 74 children, to spend a month in a basement with no toilet, no water. 10 people died. is that ghting nazis? >> unfortunately, it is a great pity, but international diplomats, including the unr commission of human rights, the u.n. secretary-general, and other you and representatives- unitedations representatives are being put under pressure by the west and often used to spread fake news by the west. >> so you are saying russia is a clean? >> no, russia is not squeaky clean. russia is what it is. we are not ashamed of showing who we are.
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>> one of the two british men sentenced to death by a russian proxy court in rebel held eastern ukraine? i tell mr. lavrov in the eyes of the west russia is responsible for their fate. >> i am not interested in the eyes of the west at all. i am interested in international law. mercenaries are not recognized as combatants. >> but they served in the ukrainian army. >> this should be decided by a court. >> do you think the courte dependable? >> i am convinced there are independent courts there. >> do you think your courts are independent? there is no expectation of improvement. >> i do not think there is any room for maneuvering anymore beuse both boris johnson and
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liz trust say openly we should defeat russia. we should force russia to its knees. go ahead, do it. >> that was sergey lavrov, russia's foreign minister speaking to our russia editor stephen rosenberg. in ukraine at the leaders of france, germany, italy, and romania went to the capital, kyiv in a show of support for president zelenskyy seabed for more weapons. between 100 and 200 troops are being killed every day. the real number is sought to be higher. our international correspondent is joining troops trying to hold back the russians in the donbass region. >> every flag marks a new grave. a fallen soldier in ukraine's war. another father, or husband or son. like this former lawyer and
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hun rights activist. mourned by his brothers in arms. under the summer sun, a bitter harvest. this farmer points skywards and warns us that there is a russian drone overhead. in the trenches nearby, a fighter, nicknamed old pal, watches for the enemy. he sees all he has lost. >> i am looking at that field. it is painful, because i used to be a farmer. i used to to motivate -- to cultivate the land, to reap, and so.
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i have not seen my two children or my two little grandchildren since the war broke out. >> further along the trench we find trapped by this war. >> it is hard because i don't see my family. my mother, sister, brother it's very scary. because, i must kill people. >> the russians are less than four miles away. in this position, ukrainian forces have held their ground. they have blocked the russians advancing, but, they say in order to push the russians back, they need more heavy weapons, and they need ammunition. for now, the troops wait. for the next battle, and the
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next burials. they face an enemy that in places may have 20 times as many big guns. in the trenches, many are resigned to a long war. bbc news. >> rioters who stormed the u.s. capitol on january 6, twitter 21 -- 2021. within 40 feet of the vice president mike pence and the fbi had information his life was in danger. this video was played showing how mike pence was being protected by the secret service in the capitol as of the mob drew closer. let's head to the hill and speak to our north american correspondent noriega barb. president trump was accused of one witness by pouring of pouring gasoline on the flames as the mob was getting close to mike pence.
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>> that's right. the committee heard evidence of how, even when donald trump was told to cool off the mob that was shouting "hang mike pence" he went the other way. mike pence did not leave the capitol. he spent many hours there. he was evacuated to safety in the basement with his wife and daughters. it returned later on to certify the election for joe biden. we did hear extraordinary testimony from three members of his team, the former white house counsel, the former chief of staff, and now -- a now retired judge who made it very clear the pressure mike pence was under to overturn the election results. we got an insight into the abuse he faced by donald trump himself. ivanka trump gave prerecorded evidence. we saw a snippet of her in which she said they had a heated argument that morning. and, mike pence had said many
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times to donald trump he could not overturn the election results. mr. trump called him a wimp and said he regretted hiring him as a vice president. mike pence did not give any evidence, but the fact his close allies gave evidence today shows he was fine with them doing that. >> thank you for joining us. well, the retired judge j michael luttig gave evidence to the committee today. here is whate had to say about former president donald trump. >> donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to erican democracy. >> let's turn to ron christie,
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friend of the program, who worked in the white house of president george w. bush. ron, when you see those images of mike pence sheltering in a secure underground location and you hear that president trump called him a wimp on the morning of january 6, what's your reaction? >> laura, good evening. my reaction is one of anger. for having wked for the vice president of the united states, dick cheney, and subsequently, the president, the one thing i can tell you is you have to have a constitutional separation of powers. the vice president here in america is also the president of the u.s. senate. so, when you look at what mr. bentz -- what mike pence had to do to certify the election at day, the president of the u.s. and in the executive branch was asking him to do something that simply in my opinion was unconstitutional. the fact that vice president mike pence was yards away from a
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mob yelling "hang mike pence" is truly one of the most disgraceful moments i can think of having been involved in politics and pubc service for 30 years. >>eard taym wnethatrent tmp w te his plan to get mike pence not to certify the election was nutty, that it was illegal, that it could lead to rioters in the streets. do you think there is criminal liability here for president trump or is it all about the court of public opinion? >> i think it is the court of public opinion. but judge michael luttig is one of the most smartest jurists we have had in the u.s.. he is not some left wing activists. he was one of the more conservative members of the circuit court. what i think you heard a
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today, laura, isnd s a conservae jurists saying that the president's words, deeds, and actions could have been a threat to our democracy. folks should think about this and let that sink in. what would have happened? he said this would he been the worst constitutional crisis since our founding. >> this lawyer, john eastman, somehow got the year of president trump. one witness said it was a coup in search of a legal theory. did america come dangerously close to the brink in january 2021 were not for the vice president? >> i think it would not have gone to that point, candidly. i think smarter, cooler heads would have prevailed. but the fact that we have this conversation, this commission, the notion that we have to discuss whether the president took the country to a line for
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constitutional crisis tells you all you need to know, laura, which is, it was disgraceful. it was despicable. it never should have happened. the fact that it did happen, we need to ensure that it never, ever, happens again. ever. >> ron, much of the country is worrying about high inflation. do you think these hearings that are dense and long will change any public perceptions. >> most americans now are looking and seeing gas prices year-to-year of 49%. inflation year-to-year up 8.6%. the stock market cratered again today, losing more than 700 points. people are looking at their retirement savings. they are looking at filling up their car. they are looking at buying products at the grocery store. but what i hope we get from these hearings, nor, is a sin -- laura, is a sense of who is involved, who is culpable, and
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how to make sure this does not happen again. i think the american people's focus is on their kitchen table and pocketbook issues. >> ron christie, thank you for being with us tonight. >> always a pleasure. >> tributes are being paid from across the world to u.k. journalist don phillips and the brazilian indigenous expert bruno perera after police found what they think to be the bodies of the two men found in remote part of the amazon rain forest.. katy watson reports. >> it was a hastily organized press conference. a panel of military men after 10 days of searching. >> the first suspect voluntarily confessed at the end of last night. outlining in detail the crime he committed -- committed and indicated the area he buried the
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bodies. >> early wednesday morning he was taken on a boat to help the search teams find the bodies. it was three kilometers from t riverbank in this thick forest that the human remains were found. the search teams needed the help of helicopters, dogs and divers to get to the site. these are the two men as their friends and family want to remember them. domhillips and experienced and passionate journalist writing a book on saving the amazon. his traveling companion bruno pereira was an indigenous expert that knew the community so well and was loved by many here. the indigenous communities where the first to raise the alarm on the day they disappeared. they did not give up, accompanying the authorities and even leading them to clues. in the press conference, they were not mentioned. i asked the man heading the investigation why. the indinous helped a lot in trying to find the two men.
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but, nothing has been mentioned of the help they gave. >> actually, it was a mistake not to mention them. the work was carried out with the help of river communities and indigenous people. they accompanied us on the boats and planes and it was fundamental. >> the crime has horrified people here in brazil and globally. it has brought into sharp focus the dangers faced by those wanting to save the forest. the criminal activity that takes place in this vast, beautiful, yet threatened, amazon. dom's wife allie said this puts an end to the anguish of not knowing their whereabouts. now we can bring them home and say goodbye with love. this brings a search to an end with closure for the families who push so hard -- pushed so hard trying to find the two men. it also reveals the brutal criminality in the amazon and
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the lack of ability by the state to control it. the families now will fight for justice. >> the central africa now where a giant slab of carbon rich pete has been discovered. the peatlands hold billions of tons of captured carbon dioxe. scientists worry they will be damaged by uncontrolled development that could etc. right climate change. our africa correspondent andrew harding now reports. >> in the vast forests of central africaa group of scientists are making their way towards a remarkable discovery. this formidable team has spent years tracing the outlines of something huge and precious. >> the coordinates of the points about -- a point about three kilometers away. >> it is grueling work in nearly
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impenetrable swamps full of snakes and crocodiles. the scientists, using handheld drills, discovered a fantastically large expense of peat. >> so, we want as many samples as possible from different locations. >> this rotting vegetation is important because it traps carbon. >> we estimate there is around 30 billion tons of carbon stored in the peatlands of the congo basin, equivalent to around 20 years of u.s. fossil fuel emissions. >> as scientists here have discovered something extraordinary in these swamps. a slab of peat two meters deep and as large as england, the biggest anywhere in the world. that makes it incredibly important when it comes to climate change. >> if all of this carbon is released into the atmosphere, it
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will accelerate global change. climate change. >> do you think that's a realistic threat? >> yes. >> the congo peatlands have been quietly storing carbon the oxide for thousands of years. humans could cnge all of that, fast. these peatlands are already under threat. that is because all around the congo basin, developers, farmers, growing populations are looking for ways to make money out of this land. we found these farmers tapping palm trees for palm wine. but, the process kills the trees and the peat below. how to save all this? >> the congo's peatlands are the worlds lands. but the richest nations, the
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world's polluters, should pay to protect them. why should we stay poor? >> a reasonable question. but outside help has been slow to reach these isolated forests. do you have the sense of the international community has shown commitment, money to sort this? >> not yet. not enough money. i think that these ecosystems are not yet valued as as they should be ida internet -- at a international level. >> t scientists have done their work and now the races on to prevent these precious wetlands from going -- peatlands from going up in smoke. andrew harding, bbc news, the republic of congo. >> archaeologists in england working on a controversial new railway line known as hs two und in anglo-saxon burial
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ground. they found graves, spearheads, and engine personal grooming objects. joe black has been finding out. >> it's one of the largest anglo-saxon burial grounds ever discovered in britain. 130 graves found on the site in wendover full of fascinating artifacts from the fifth and sixth century. among them, 15 spearheads, 51 knives, two plus comb shaped beakers and this highly decorated pot. that team recover jewelry including 89 brooches and this silver ring in the shape of a bird or snake. >> this is a personal grooming kit. we have three objects. two longer items that are picks that could be for picking your teeth or under your fingernails. the third shorter one is shaped like a tiny spoon. that is for getting your rocks -- eating your wax out of your
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ears. -- getting earwax out of your ears. the unique thing about the site is the fact that we h41 individuals here, quite a large cemetery for the time we know about. over 70% of them have been found with objects. that is really unusual. normally, you might find one or two individuals in the whole cemetery that might have a comb with them or something. here, we have so many individuals with multiple obcts each from weaponry to jewelry to grooming kids. >> speciists willow analyze how these people lived and even how some of them died. this skeleton was found on the site. this person was a male around 17 to 25 years old. the staining on the collarbone is from brooches perhaps holding some sort of closing in place.
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thisron object here could have been a weapon embedded in his vertebrae. what do you think that tel us about how we were living in that time? >> i don't like the term dar ages. that haseen associated with the anglo-saxons. it is finds life this and the quality and craftsmanship that highlights that they were not the dark ages. people lived in some style. >> for some, even important archaeological discoveries do not justify the construction of hs2, but others see it as an opportunity to explore our hidden history. >> before we go tonight, one man in australia went to new heights to stop his car from being stolen. police say a woman had broken into the man's home to steal his car. after he noticed, he got into his forklift truck to lift the vehicle and would-be thief into midair. he only put them down with the
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judy: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. the committee investigating the nuary 6 attack ton u.s. capitol spells out how former president trump repeatedly pushed mike pence to overturn the 2020 election. then death in the amazon. a brazilian fisherman confesses to the murder of a journalist and an indigenous rights actist. andhe end of roe, how decades of work by anti-abortion activists has laid the groundwork for the expected supreme court decision that will roll back reproductive rights. >> they want to create this
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