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announcer: and now, "bbc world news". ♪ ♪ >> hello. this is "outside source." prince andrew faces civil trial in the united states over accusations of sexual assault after a judge refuses to dismiss the case. virginia giuffre is suing the duke of york, alleging he raped her when she was 17, an allegation she denies. boris johnson faces charges about drinks during the lockdown in 2020, and apologizes. >> i regret the way the event was described -- the way the
event was described, i have and will continue to apologize for what we did. >> russia and nato hold first face-to-face talks in more than two years as tensions remain high over the build-up of russian troops on the border with ukraine. ♪ prince andrehas failed to get a civil case dismissed in the united states, which accuses him of sexually assaulting a teenage girl. virginia giuffre is suing the duke of york, claiming he abused her when she was 17 at the homes of jeffrey epstein and ghislaine maxwell. the princess strenuously deny the allegations, but the ruling by the judge in new york today ends the civil trial can go forwar our royal corredent reports. nicholas: everything for andrew rested on this ruling ended it has gone against him. in his 43-page ruling in the
case of giuffre, plaintiff and prince andrew, defendant, the judge's conclusion was straightforward. the defendant's motion to disms the complaint is denied in all respes, the judge wrote. the possibility of appealing at this stage appears remote. these are andrew's basic options. he can settle out of court. there would be no admission of liability but he would pay a perhaps substantial sum to virginia giuffre. he can default and there would be a finding against him. finally, he could fight it out in court. he would have to give a deposition under court, rival stories would be tested, the matter would decided in open court. lawyers who have been following the case say none of the options ll be attractive to him. >> andrew has got no good options now. he can't make things better so
essentially, he is going to have to either engage in the trial process or he is going to have to settle. that may be his least worst option. nicholas: that it would be up to virginia giuffre to accept any out-of-court settlement. at the moment, she does not seem inclined to do so. in a statement, her lawyer said virginia giuffre is please prince andrew' s motion to dismiss as been denied and that evidence will not be taken concerning her claims against him. she looks forward to a judicial determination of the merits of these claims, all of which leaves andrew facing the prospect of a bruising court case. and the queen and her platinum jubilee year, of enduring months of upset. in his "newsnight" interview, the one in which he said he couldn't remember meeting the then-17-year-old virginia giuffre, andrew was asked if his behavior damaged the royal family. >> i don't think it has been
damaging to the queen at all. it has to me. if i was able to answer these questions in a way that gave sensible answers other than the ones i have given that gave closer, i would love it. but i am afraid i can't, because i am as in the dark as many people. nicholas: if andrew does fight, he will have to answer all the other side's questions under oath and he will be able to declare his innocence and his lawyers will be able to test virginia giuffre's allegations. but at what price to the reputation of the royal family? as lawyers are saying, he has no good options. nicholas winchell, bbc news. >> let's discuss this with my colleague nada tawfik, who joins us now. what are the options for the prince? nada: at this moment, we are waiting to see if prince andrew's legal team will file an
interlocutor or he appealed to the judge's decision to deny his motion to dismiss the case. that is a real longshot. because normally in these types of cases, they have to be taken to their conclusion before they can be appealed to a higher court. it would really be up to the judge to give permission as to whether they could attempt that appeal, and it is unlikely, not very promising given the wording of his written decision today. aside from that, prince andrew's lawyers have to quickly make decisions about how else they are going to move forward because there is discovery coming up where both sides have to exchange key information and documents. this summer, there is a deadline for deposition interviews, so prince andrew will have to decide if he wants to try to settle, which will very much depend on whether virginia giuffre wants to do that,
whether he will default this case, eentially ignore the proceedings and have a decision be potentially issued in his absence, or whether he wants to fight this case. as i said, that would then open him up to that process of discovery and depositions. and virginia giuffre's lawyer is one of the most experienced and regarded lawyers, trial lawyers in america. he would have to face deposition and interview from david bois iffy wants to fight this case. >> and the details could be very difficult. nada: that is right. prince andrew is always denied all the allegations against him read we saw in that "newsnight" interview- against him. we saw in that "newsnight" interview him on to explain, but the allegations have never gone
away. and an interview under court in a u.s. court would inevitably spark a media frenzy. a trial of that magnitude would spark intense interest and that is something i am sure the prince and the royal family would not want. and it would also open themk -- open them up to key questions. that "newsnight" interview could come up and expose him to questions under oath in a lengthy and detailed interview process. it is really the time now for prince andrew to make these key legal decisions about how he wants to move or it. >> thanks so much, nada tawfik. and as nada as been saying, prince andrew has consistently denied the allegations, says he has no recollection of ever meeting virginia giuffre. he is now facin the prospect, however, of having to defend himself against her allegations in this civil trial.
one possibility open to the prince is seeking a settlement out-of-court, which stopped the case going ahead. here is a former new york prosecutor on that. >> he has to seriously be considering the possibility of resolving this case prior to discovery. i am confident he does not want to be deposed, he does not want people close to him to be deposed. and in order to do that, he has to resolve the case before it gets to that point. i am certain they are having those discussions with his team right now, perhaps even having discussions with miss giuffre's lawyer as well, or initiating those discussions so they can discuss whether the case is going to move forward to the discuss reef -- to the discovery phase or if there's some sort of resolution the parties can reach out-of-court. >> shall, if prince andrew were to seek an out-of-court settlement, it may not be that straightforward. lisa bloom is a lawyer who
represented a number of women who accused harvey weinstein, the producer, sexual abuse. she also briefly represented mr. weinstein himself and also represented women who accused jeffrey epstein. >> i have done many high-profile sexual abuse cases over 30 years at this one is different. because virginia seems bound and interment to get this to trial. she settled previously with jeffrey epstein, and i think she really wants to go forward. i think she wants her day in court and iould be very surprised if she would settle for anythi less than an admission and apologyrom prince andrew. >> we heard a comment fro legal commentator jeffrey rosenberg. >> virginia giuffre has said she doesn't want to settle and wants her day in court. it is not that simple. because going to court is very expensive. she has made a lot of money in
the past settling cases. we know that the case involving jeffrey epstein more than a decade ago, she got $500,000 out of, but that was a long time ago -- she got $500,000 out of, but that was a long time ago. her lawyers may consider what you might get, what it might cost, what the risks are of the case in court against the reality of a settlement, in which she gets compensation at her lawyers get paid. there is quite a lot of negotiation behind all this. ♪ >> diplomats from russia and the nato military alliance had their first face-to-face talks into years. the aim is to defuse tension over russian group -- russian troops gathering near the ukrainian border prince so far, there has been no breakthrough, with russia using nato of using cold w security methods. this is the moment that the two
sides arrived, nato members repeatedly saying they want except russian security demands, bosco -- moscow standing firm. we take a closer look at a moment, but let's hear from the nato secretary-general. he has been speaking to the bbc. >> mr. secretary-general, after these talks with russia, are you more optimistic that there will not be an armed conflict again in ukraine? >> it is notossible to say anything with certainty about the likelihood of armed conflict. what i know is the real risk for renewed use of force by russia against ukraine and that is exactly why we are meeting to take. -- meeting today. it is important because we believe in the political path that we call on russia to negotiatin good faith, sit down with allies and ukraine and find a peaceful way forward.
>> let's take a look at what russia is calling for. russia wants nato to rule out membership for ukraine and other former soviet countries including georgia. it also wants naturist -- once nato to stop its expansion eastward in the rollback of nato deployments in central and eastern europe. you can see theuropean nato members in this map, in red. russia already shares a small part of its border with nato countries. if ukraine were to join, it would increase the countries in the alliance on russian borders. here is the russian deputy foreign minister speaking after the talks. >> the main task of nato policy and military deployment is to deter russia and enormous resources are being allocated for purpose. they don't conceal that this is the alliance's main purpose. >> our guest is from george waington university. >> i don't think nato and the
west are prepared for the risks of granting nato -- granting ukraine nato membership anytime soon. now, the discussion is more about informal cooperation between the west and ukraine on weapons provisions and military training read line subsisted consistently and it is no longer about any formal association to nato. now, in his own words, it is about any military cooperation with nato countries. and this is where the kremlin draws the line. the question is whether the west are prepared to consider those demands. >> what do you think? there is no appetite to get into a troops on the ground dispute with russia. >> there is definitely no appetite and in that sense, you can rush -- you can argue russia has already succeeded by forcing the west to reward it through diplomacy, negotiations, talks
for the charitable act of not invading ukraine. the first take away from the talks that are currently going between the u.s., nato and russia, there are no diplomatic breakthroughs. i haveo say nato has shown resilience and commitment. -- u.s. diplomats are showing quite a few successes. they are trying to do their best to engage russia in these continuous box as the window for -- continuous talks as the window for military escalation passes. analysts expected the wiow to open in late january and hope lee, there will be significant process in the negotiations so that russia gets distracted from it. real success can be achieved
when it comes to the reduction in nuclear weapons, arms control, and i think that is what u.s. diplomats are trying to do, fairly successfully as we see, but time will tell. most importantly, the biden administration in april gave putin a way to go forward when we saw very similar situation unraveling on ukraine borders. biden has granted the kremlin a meeting. it worked once, why not try it again? essentially, we see putin resorting to this game in which he keeps escalating, threatening. >> thanks for talking us through those talks between russia and nato. stay with us here on "outside source." coming up, prime minister boris johnson admits he attended at downing street drinks gathering at the height of the lockdown in 2020, and apologizes.
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until prices that they pay at the shops stop rising so sharply. ♪ >> thi is "outside source," live from the bbc newsroom. our main story, queen elisabeth's son prince andrew faces civil trial in the u.s. with allegations of sexual assault after a judge in new york fused to dismiss the case. u.k. prime minister boris johnson has admitted for the first time that he attended a drinks party in the garden of number 10 downing street during england's first lockdown. he apologized, but dismissed calls to resign, telling parliament he was acting in work-related events. we have lots of clips. let's start with the prime minister. >> i want to apologize.
i know millions of people across this country have made extraordinary sacrifices over the last eight months. i know the anguish that they have been through, unable to mourn their relatives, unable to live their lives as they want or to do the things they love. and i know the rage they feel with me, over the government i lead, when they think that in downing street itself, the rules are not the improperly followed by the people who make the rules. and though i cannot anticipate the conclusions of the current inquiry, i have learned enough to know that there were things we simply did not get right. [yelling] and i mt take responsibility. number 10 is a big department, with the garden as an extension of the office, which has been in constant use.
and when i went into that garden on may 20, 2020 to thank gros of staff before going back into my office 25 minutes later to continue working, i believed implicitly that this was a work event. but, mr. speaker, with hindsight, i should have sent everyone back inside. i should have found some other way to thank them. >> this eventook place in the downing street garden in may 2020, a time when stringent social distancing rules were in place. we know at least 30 people attended. we also know it is one of a number of alleged social gatherings that took place at downing street when london was under covid rerictions. opposition parties want the prime minister to stand down. here is the labor leader. >> there we have it. after months of deceit and
deception, the pathetic spectacle of a man who has run out of road. [yelling] his defense that he didn't realize that he was at a party. [laughter] it is so ridiculous that it is actually offensive to the british public. [louder yelling] he has been forced to admit what everyone knew, that when the whole country was locked wn, he was hosting boozy parties at downing street. is he not want to do the decent thing and resign? >> this was the prime minister's response. >> i appreciate the point that he is making about the event that i attended. i want to repeat that i thought it was a work event. [yelling] and mr. speaker, i regret very much, i regret very much that we did not do things differently that evening.
>> now, there is important context to explain in this. in may 2020, england was in its first lockdown. people could only leave home for work, exercise or essential supplies and could only meet one person from another household outdoors. already, there had been 36,000 covid deaths. may 20 was the hottest day so far that year and a 5:00 p.m., the culture secretary led the government's daily covid update and reiterated the rules. >> you can meet one person outside your household in an outdoor public place, provided you stay two meters apart. >> at downing seet, boris johnson's staff were at work, among them civil servant martin reynolds. on may 20, martin reynolds sent emailed to around 100 members of the downing street staff. the email said, after what has been an incredibly busy perio,
we thought it would be niceo make the most of the lovely weather and have drinks, join us at 6:00 p.m. and bring your own booze. fast forward to today, lots now will depend on the investigation which is being led into these parties by this woman. this is senior civil servant sue gray. her report is to next week. the labour party wants it sooner. >> this isn't working, prime minister. everyone could see what happened. it started with reports of boozy parties in downing street during lockdown. the prime minister pretended that he had been assured there were no parties. how that fits with his defense now, i do not know. then, the video landed, blowing the prime minister's first defense out of the water. so then, he pretended he was sickened and furious about parties.
now, it turns out heas at the parties all along. can't the prime minister see why the british public think he is lying through his teeth? >> the labour party isn't alone in calls for boris johnson to resign. >> will the prime minister, for the good of the country, except that the party is over and decide to resign? >> do the decent thing and resign. >> do the honorable thing and resign. >> there are also calls from his own side to quit. this is the leader of scottish conservatives. >> he said in hindsight, if he had this time again, that to me is acceptance from the prime minister that he did wrong. to be consisnt with what i said before, i don't believe his position leading the conservative party is tenable. eddie eds to resign. >> -- and he needs to resign.
>> let's get analysis from our u.k. political correspondent. damien: if you look at the detail of what the prime minister said, we heard very clearly what he thinks his defense is. he admitted he went the party. that was the crucial thing from the beginning of the day, where the prime minister was under real pressure to say he he had been there. yes, he had been, he said. he then went on to say that he did not believe it was a party. so, his defense appears to be that if others were there breaking the rules, he himself didn't think that this was a party and therefore is distancing himself from that. and crucially there was a little phrase when he said that the garden was an extension of the office. in those clips you played, we had the explanation of the rules
that you could meet one person outside in a public place. so, this may all turn onhether the party or the ent in that garden somehow was covered by the rules that allow people to gather for work. but that does seem, and the labour party were very clear and attacked on this line, it does seem that many people will find that hard to believe, stretching credulity that somehow this could fall under work definitions the time. but certainly given that the prime minister lives in downing street and this was his garden, he could be in his own garden. that seems to be how i think he is trained to distance himself from what happened. andis apology then was not an apology for that event, it was, because he said it was not a party, it was the fact people were angered by the perception of it. >> thanks to damian for talking us through a story that is not
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