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captioning made possible by johnson & johnson, committed to improving health for everyone, everywhere. >> pauley: good morning, i am jane pauley and this is "sunday morning". it's known as "passing", the centuries old practice of light skinned african-americans who can pass as white. objective, escape racism, and perhaps gain some of the advantages of white privilege. but it can come with a heavy price, not least, a
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troubled conscience. michelle miller takes us back in time. so you have had a thought to. >> what? >> have you ever thought of passing? >> no why should i. >> a new film about passing tells the story of two black women who live on opposite sides of the color line. >> this is my husband, john beaulieu. >> does he know? >> it felt so me like the best way to make a movie about colorism was to take all the color out of it. >> the phenomenon ofng coming up on sunday morning. >> pauley: a friendship that started on the campaign trail has evolved into a real life relationship, complete with a podcast and a book. anthony mason tells us about a duet, barack obama and the man known as "the boss." >> it's time for us to go. >> it looks like a buddy movike.
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>> >> the question then is how do we look at each other and say we are in this together whether we like it or not. let's figure it out. >> the idea of creating more -- perfect. >> perfect and noble america. >> yes. >> which is willing to wrestle with its sins and its tremendous passes is essential to the future of the country. >> later on sunday morning, barack obama and bruce springsteen on friendship, the influence of their fathers and the state of the union. >> pauley: we swat them, spray them and then we scratch. david pogue introduces us to a man with a new approach for taking on mosquitoes. >> climate change was contributing to the spread of deadly mosquitos around the world and there was not much we could do to stop them. >> mosquitoes killed more otherwise healthy people than anything else on the planet. >> a google engineer has a novel construction which began a robotically controlled mosquito
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breeding factory. >> if you realize how sci-fi and weird that sounds. >> i really appreciate how weird it sounds. >> incredibly the idea worked. >> ahead on sunday morning, a different kind of debugging. >> pauley: tracy smith takes us to toledo, ohio, where artists are turning a concrete canvas into a thing of beauty. seth doane catches up with jane goodall and her 87th year she working hard to save the planet lee cowan talks with the great one, wayne gretzky, about life after hockey. >> , mireya villarreal has more on the tragic set shooting with alec baldwin. >> plus fall recipes from martha stewart and more, it is sunday morning, october 24, 2021, and we will be back after this.
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>> pauley: passing, its roots are in the precivil war south. now, michelle miller tells us, a a new movie, based on a nearly 100 year old novel, explores this very complex subject. >> we have been looking
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everywhere for you. are you talking to me? >> it has been a theme in hollywood for years. >> i am your mammy. >> from "imitation of life" to the -- >> do i look like her daughter? do i look like i could be her daughter? >> one thing -- >> to "the human stain". >> when you meet the guy from pit don't tell him you colored, okay? don't tell him? >> don't bring it up. you're neither one thing nor the other. >> and offer screen the subject of passing, crossing the color line, is just as complex. >> the world perceives me as white, at least visually. >> chicago lawyer martino hone says she has been identifying her black mother's identity with her european, european father's privilege. >> have you ever passed at any point the your life? >> i never passed intentionally, i never thoughtly go in here and
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pretend i am white. you walk into a room, people assume you have the power of a white person in this country you know, and that appearance is not the same experience that most black people have in this country. >> so this is a family that is clearly black. >> uh-huh. >> you are just somewhat the exception. >> i am just on the melanin challenged end of the family spectrum. >> lisa funderburg is the author of black, white, other. >> and also a mixed race. so there are all of the advantages that come with appearing to be white, right? >> you can get a cab, you not followed in stores, but it also means others expose their racism to you, they do it in comments, though it in behaviors and you are witness to it. >> that is me with my dad. >> she says passing describes when a member of a particular group is perceived as a member of another. >> i have talked to people who are gay who talk about being
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straight passing. no one they encounter will necessarily know the full breath of their identity unless they choose to tell it to people. and it is up to you to either disabuse them of that notion or to correct that or to challenge that or not. >> so you have never thought to. >> what? >> have you ever thought of passing. >> no, why should i. >> this week, a new film will put passing into the spotlight again. >> i am trying find out the history of the -- >> things aren't always what they seem. >> i will be damned. >> based on a 1929 novel by harlem renaissance writer nella lawson, the movie called passing tells the story of two black women, one who actively passes for white, the other who does not. this is any husband, john ballou, beaulieu. >> does he know? >>
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>> rebecca hall directed the film. >> it is not just about racial passing but also about these other modes of performance, these other binaries, male, female, gay, straight. >> identity is a sort of cross-section between the story we tell about ourselves and the one that society tells, puts on us. >> buenos diaz. >> julio. >> julio. >> best known for her role in vicky cristina barcelona hall is making her director total debut. >> i spent preproduction here. to pull it off she spent time in harlem, at the schoenberg center for research in black culture and filmed on this street. >> you know, everyone says to, it is too big of a scope, it is too ambitious, it is too full moon, it is too black and white, it is all of the too's and here we are. >> what have you told him?
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>> ruth negga and tessa thompson are her stars. >> are you happy? >> of course. >> as you say, i have everything i ever wanted. >> to have the privilege of ambiguity as a protagonist on screen is really rarefied as women characters particularly women of color. >> did it cause you to reflect on who you saw yourselves as? >> oh, it is all for me it is about belonging. everybody, every person of color or anybody who is marginalized or different, it is as simple as when you woke -- and you do it unconsciously. the two gordz me, safety and belonging. >> both arguments say they have been faced with stereotypes of racial conformity. >> i have had that experience for various viewpoints, of, you know, really black or well you are not black. it is amazing
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what someone can do with the intonation of one's voice, you know,. >> i remember growing up this idea you don't talk black, you don't talk like that. >> yeah. which there shouldn't be a uiform requested in terms of blackness. >> there is probably a time when we all engaged in some form of passing. >> stanford historian alison hobbs has written a history of racial passing in america. >> perhaps somebody made an assumption about us and we went with it. >> hobbs says passing dates back to the time of slavery, first as a means of escape and survival, then later on in the 20th century in response to so-called one drop rules, which made it legal to discriminate against anyone with any black blood. still, some of the black community consider the act of passing as a betrayal of their
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identity, and remember, passing wasn't always black and white. >> someone who is from a lower sew owe -- socioeconomic status might decide they want to pass as someone of a higher socioeconomic status, a woman might want to serve in the military if we think about the period before women were able to serve in the military and might decide to pass as a man. during the period when chinese people were excluded from coming into the united states sometimes chinese immigrants would pass as mexican. >> reporter: of course today the world becoming more multiracial, hobbs says passing is almost a thing of the past. still, there are lingering effects. >> the person who passed had to sever their relationships with their family, their friends.
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there were very high emotional stakes to passing. >> reporter: something director rebecca hall discovered firsthand. my grandfather was african-american and passed as white. >> hall is the daughter of british director peter hall, an american opera singer ewing. >> she says telling the story of passing also meant confronting her own family history, which included some uncomfortable conversations with her mother. >> because i did pretty much all my life look at her and think, you look like a black woman to me. >> wow. >> but it was not something that was really spoken about. but then she told me about some incidents of pretty ugly racism towards her and her father when she was a kid and he is told me that he, she asked him once and he just looked at the floor and said you know, i did it all for
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you. >> reporter: hall unlettered aes proud of. >> i know huge amounts of people, extraordinary people who did extraordinary things, black people that were proud to be black and my mother doesn't know that. she didn't know her own grandfather's name. sorry. this is. >> >> reporter: there is emotional. >> do you think they would be satisfied being white. >> ain't satisfied being anything. >> hall has dedicated her film. >> for, we are all passing for something or other. >> a 13-year-old long labor of love to her mother. >> aren't we? >> i think i want to invite a place of -- that is about the gray areas, or what left is to determine who is the good guy and who is the bad guy, but i think it is a place of odds to look at the shades of that inbetween, because if you end up
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>> reporter: the deadliest animal on earth is not shark or the snake or the scorpion or even us. can you guess? it's the mosquito. >> like the one in this model at the american museum of natural history. the diseases they carry kill over a million people a year, and in the warming climate, they are spreading to new places. in 2013, a particularly nasty species arrived in fresno, california, aedes aegypti. >> she's evil. this is a female that will bite you multiple times. 3 is very, very aggressive. >> jodi holeman works fortress know's mosquito control department. >> the one thing that you say with great certainty is we don't have think very strong methods of control for this particular mosquito. of course spraying insecticide kills mosquitoes, but that kills other bugs too. so how do you solve ablem like aedes aegypti? >> that's where screrly comes
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in. >> what i wanted to do was a variation of something called the sterile insect technique. >> after nine years at google working on its chrome web browser linus upson wanted a bigger challenge and verily, a google sister company was willing to fund his experiment. >> if a a sterile male mates with a fertile female she will still produce and lay eggs, but they won't hatch, each generation gets smaller and smaller and you can actually completely remove mosquitoes from an area. >> so upson hatched a plan, build a factory that churns out millions of special male mosquitoes, each carrying a harmless natural bacteria that makes him incapable of reproducing. release those males to mate with the wild females, with the epa's blessing, of course. and presto, the mosquito population plummets. in theory. >> oh, wow. you have an airlock? >> remember, leave the mosquitoes in. >> pete massaro google's
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director of automation, gave us a rare tour of massaro's marvelous male mosquito making machinery. >> it's taking those bags filled with food and l-1 larvae and putting them on the trays. those are going to then enter into the larvae room robot. >> for the next six days this robot will keep the mosquitoes warm, feed them and keep them company. >> the females are stlietly bigger than males. >> the next step is to separate the boys from the girls using a glorified sieve. >> we are able to separating 97 to 99 percent of the males and females. >> but 99 percent isn't enough. >> releasing any females might make the problem worse. so this machine photographs each bug, studies the picture to determine the sex and then blows away the females. >> and that works? >> that has worked so incredibly well, that you know, to our knowledge no females have ever left this factory. >> finally, these vance release
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the sterile males into the wild senior scientist jacob crawford was in charge of measuring the results. >> i very clearly remember a huge drop in the hatch rate. i stood up and did a dance. i mean, that was our first field data showing that this could work. this could really work. >> >> reporter: it really did work. >> we got over 95 percent suppression of the wild population. >> your firt effective? >> and we hope to make it even more effective still by releasing over larger areas for longer periods of time. >> debug presentation know ran for three summers, 2017, 2018 and 2019 and that was it. >> it was a three summer prototype to work out the bugs, and the problem with the sterile insect technique is that if you don't keep releasing the modified males the mosquito population bounces right back. >> so in 2020, sure neuro, enough, those traps started to light up again. those were
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heartbreaking conversations to have. i am sorry, i know question had this really grean't come back. but the fresno test proofed that linus upson's idea really worked without chemicals, genetic engineering or affecting any other species. verily is now setting up the program in places where mosquitoes actually kill people, like puerto rico and singapore. >> of course, verily is a silicon valley tech company. it's not doing all of this for free. >> the goal is to make this a sustainable business. >> the pitch to governments, we will get rid of your mosquitoes for less than you are spending on the diseases they spread. it's been a strange, satisfying second act in linus upson's career. >> wow, i mean, it's not a web browser, right. >> it's not -- it's nature, it's not all within your control. different kind of bugs we are dealing with. >> >> pauley: talk about unsung accomplishments, david, who knew? and why do i have the feeling
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there's plenty more where that came from. >> >> there is, jane, that mosquito story is also episode number one of my new podcast! it's called "unsung science." and each week's episode tells the backstage story of breakthrough in science or tech from the characters who did the breaking through. like the biochemist whose figured out how to get the mrna vaccines to work or the nasa engineers who got the rover to land on mars all bit self or the storm chaser who discovered that there's something weird going on with tornado alley. >> for linguist who makes up the fake languages for hollywood movies. it is all free at unsungscience.com or wherever fine podcasts are played. and if you listen to episode 1, you can find out how that mosquito program is doing in singapore.
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mueller, and when all of the painting is done it will be the largest artwork of its kind in the country. they call it the glass city river wall. >> the whole thing started with a boat ride, a couple of friends were out here on the maumee river on a picture perfect evening t1 thing that kind of ruined that perfect picture was a bunch of big gray silos on the shore. so they thought, hmm. >> we literally, the women who started this, looked and said, we hould paint that. that's a great canvas. and we said yeah we should paint that. that would be great. >> reporter: but that great idea would take an ocean of paint. they would have to cover around 170,000 square feet of gray concrete, and paint is expensive. >> the silos owners, the archer daniels midland company put up some money but the organizers still needed to raise around $750,000, so toledo pitched in
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from small-time donors to just about every big business in town. >> we were completely naive. >> project manager cristina kasper. >> there wound up being nothing to do it but to do it. ultimately you can make it work you figure it out. and then they also needed to figure out what to paint in their mueller, so they put out a call for designers, and la artist gabriel gault stepped up. >> this was with the first camouflage piece i did, actually. >> gabe is mainly a portrait guy and when he looked at the three biggest silos he saw this. >> three native american faces, each over 100 feet tall, a tribute to the original farmers of the land. >> and for the rest of with it, gabe chose something that ws practically everywhere in the midwest, sunflowers. a symbol of hope that he hoped would brighten the toledo skyline for years to come. >> tell me what went through your head when you got the call
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saying in is you. >> i said i can't do this alone, i will have to humble myself a little bit and you know, get some other artists on this project to help me create this thing and finish this thing. >> the work began in june, as local artists sprayed the a gray cement with paint as blue as a perfect summer sky. >> have you ever done anything close to this scale before? >> never, never. couldn't even imagine it. >> all through the summer and in all kinds of weather a team of modern day michelangelos turned the gray concrete into a soaring monument to the city and to themselves. >> organizer brandy alexander wimberley. >> we are not in the sexiest town in the world. we recognize that. we are not even sexy by ohio standards. so, you know? but now, i mean, we have got something really can cool to talk about, something fresh, something new, something invasive, something that can be celebrated that we don't have a lot of attention for. >> five months of work,
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3,000-gallons of payment, one big idea. >> you know you are on to something when you say it out loud and everybody says, why didn't we always do that? >> reporter: the mueller is not quite finished, but it's already become a symbol, not only of toledo, but of the art of the possible. >> what do you hope ultimately that people take from this? >> i think people can recognize that they can do anything. the sky really is the limit.
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>> pauley: over some 60 years,
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the legendary good all has redefined our understanding of primaries and the relationship between humans and animals. >> and she tells our seth doane she only just begun. >> the legendary jane goodall. >> >> come on, come on. >> it's how you might imagine jane goodall to be. >> stop screaming at me. >> we had just met and were setting up but the famed naturalist was more focused on a visit from a robin that our camera crew. >> there you are, oops, hello bee. >> she first learned about the bees and yes the birds here at her childhood both in bournemouth, england. >> you grew up living in this garden and dreaming of another world. >> yes, i did. >> and he is found it in the gombe rain forest of tanzania where her ground breaking work
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studying chimpanzees in the 1960s made her a "national geographic" cover-girl. >> at age 87 she can still be found on the front of magazines, and running a conservation empire. jane goodall institute dedicated to protecting wildlife and the environment has chapters in two dozen countries. and there's roots and shoots, a program to engage youth around the world. >> good yawl's own fascination with animals started when she was a kid, spending hours in this tree, with library books. >> i read tarzan up there. there was no tv back then. that's when my dream began, i will go to africa, live with animals write books about them. that was it. no intention of being a scientist because girls didn't do that sort of thing. >> she started as a secretary and landed a job as assistant to paleoanthropologist louis leakey and the lookout quote for a fresh pair of eyes and fiery
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spirit. >> i clearly was passionate. i clearly has an understanding of animals and he felt that women might be better in the field, that we might be more patient. also, he wanted somebody who who hadn't been to college, so he wanted an unbiased mind. >> reporter: leakey raised money for good yawl to spend six months in the jungle studying chimpanzees in tans any, a little was known about them at the time. >> so these were your earliest observations? >> yes. >> good yawl filled stacks of journals with notes. >> i transcribed these every nght. >> reporter: wow, look at this, 37, 38, 39, 40, every minute you were noting the behaviors. >> yes. >> crucially she witnessed the chimp's fashioning and using tools, something believed until then was unique to humans. >> reporter: did you realize that what you were seeing was so extraordinary? >> i knew that it was going to
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make a huge impact. in fact, a lot of people refused to believe it. why should they believe this young girl. she hadn't even been to college. >> but editors at national phot, camera man, hugo van lawick, and when his film started doing the rounds, showing the chimps using little television to fish for termites, they had to believe. >> reporter: there was a directive from "national geographic" to not only focus on the chimpanzees but for hugo to focus on you. >> i know. >> did that bother you? >> well, it was frustrating, but , you know, i want you washing your hair. oh could you wash it again? i didn't get the light right. >> this is funny. in a wilderness bud with a, miss good yawl lakers this her blonde hair with water pure enough to drink.
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>> it put me in a limelight i did not, i did not want. but then there was all of this press about oh she's only got money from the geographic because she has got nice legs and things. >> did you feel objectified. >> it was just a different world, and so, well, if it's my legs, truly, that have helped me get money to study the chimps, thank you, legs. other report that photographer became her husband and they had a son together, and in her decades long study, those chimps also became much more to her. >> grump at this old j.b., olly, flo with little flint. >> it's almost like you are showing me family photos. >> yeah, i know. >> reporter: chimpanzees share 99 percent of human's dna, the difference good yawl points out is the development of our intellect. >> which makes it utterly absurd this most intellectual of creatures on the planet is
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destroying its only home. >> reporter: that is your mission now. >> yes, yes. the effects of climate change, the hurricanes, the typhoons, the flooding, the fires, so the key important thing is to give people hope we can get through, because if you don't have hope, why bother? >> she has written a new book on hope and calls it a survival guide for trying times. it is a part of her race to reach as many people as possible. >> this plan let, it doesn't have infinite natural resources they are finite. they can come to an end. >> so what is going to happen if we carry on with business as usual? >> pre-pandemic, good yawl says she was on the road 300 days a year. now she ltured holds meetings from her room in the attic, virtual jane, as she calls herself. >> reporter: do you want to be this busy? >> no. >> really? >> no. >> why do you do it? >> because there is a message to get out and i am getting older
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and there is less time left ahead of me in the world, falling to pieces. >> reporter: you feel in urgency? >> yes, i do. >> reporter: it means a lot of talking. >> i have -- have another sip. >> she says whiskey soothes her vocal cords. >> i don't want to turn into a couch potato. >> a daily walks soothes almost everything else. >> you sit all day, it is ridiculous. >> i can't imagine that you have ever sat all day. >> not really, no. >> >> hello, seagulls. >> here along the english channel it's again clear she's drawn to the natural world, but protecting that means shifting her attention. >> so now i have to speak to bankers and lawyers and ceos and politicians. >> what do you say? >> i tell them stories and try to reach the heart. people have to change from within. >> reporter: and that change
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good yawl says, can start, goodall says, can start small. >> everybody can do something, i mean when you go shopping you can ask yourself, hmm, did this product harm the environment when it was made? was it cruel to animals? is it cheap? why is it keyed cheap? is it cheap because of unfair wages? >> you are asking people to do a lot. >> well, why not? >> if they care about the future, especially if they have got children, you don't have to do it all. you know, even if you just pick one thing like eating less meat just do something. ference. like la roche-posay double repair face moisturizer with dermatologist-recommended ingredients, including ceramide and niacinamide. double action helps
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>> pauley: martha stewart has just released her 99th book. and in it, a recipe for an apple tart that takes the cake. >> hi, everyone, gobbing my farm in katonah, new york. it is apple picking season and i am standing right in a part of my fruit orchard. when i planted this orchard about 18 years ago, i decided i would do this portion for the kids because espalier trees are trained to grow only a certain height and to be very productive for their size. >> these trees are loaded with fruit. the apples are not all exactly perfect, but it doesn't matter if you going to use these for cider, they get washed and they get crushed and they get pressed. this tree probably is close to 100 years old. the fruits are big. look how big they are. so and so utterly delicious. oh, look how juicy,
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perfect for apple pie. mmm. and if you are going to make a pie mix-up the apples. don't use only one kind of apple in a pie. they are all amazing. well, i think i have enough apples for a pink applesauce tart. i will show you how. >> you start with a blind bake crust. now if you wonder what is a blind baked crust, it is a crust that is baked in a quiche pan. this is the finished tart. this is the objective of our efforts. so pink applesauce is the base. it's not very hard. don't peel your apples and choose red skinned apples, and we have two pounds of apples here, and about a cup and a half of water. the juice of two li s mtake en i was trying
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thousand maknapp it ieae onmers, way, de tool k until the apples are very tender. and here is the applesauce. the resulting applesauce. put this right into a saucepan, a quarter of a cup of sugar, and just a pinch of salt. and the recipe calls for one tablespoon of calvados. how about two? and then to prepare the apples, use this very good apple corer. use a little mandoline, be careful when you are using one of these, but if you want those gorgeous, thin apple slices that's how you get them. >> and pour this right into the tart shell. now just lay down your very thinly sliced apples in con o
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the applesauce. and just pop that right into your oven. and to embellish that just a little bit further, approximately a tablespoon or two of red raspberry jelly with a little bit more apple brandy. >> and use a soft pastry brush and just lightly touch the apples, but look how gorgeous this tart looks. so if you are having a great apple harvest in your area, take the family to one of those pick your own. it's a lot of fun and what you bring home can be turned into delicious desserts, cakes, even cider. have fun.
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>> pauley: we want to turn now
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to the investigation into thursday's the horrific set shooting involving actor alec baldwin firing a prop gun that took the life of cinematographer halle naah hutchins. >> in albuquerque last night, her friends and colleagues held a memorial vigil. correspondent omar villafranca was there. .. >> the close-knit new mexico film community little candles for a life extinguished too soon. >> our hearts ache, our tears flow. >> reporter: the small vigil in albuquerque honored cinematographer halyna hutchins who was shot and killed this past week in what investigators are calling an accident. >> santa fe fire and ems, what is the location of the emergency? >> bonanza creek ranch, we have had two people accidentally shot on a movie set by by a prop gun, we need help immediately. the frantic 911 calls came in from the santa fe set of rust, a
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low-budget western movie starring and produced by award-winning actor alec baldwin >> cold gun, a term meaning the gun doesn't have any live rounds in it. baldwin fired, striking the cinematographer a lena hutchins and, halyna hutchins and director joel souza, who was behind the cinematographer. >> >> in a statement, baldwin said there are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident, adding, that he is fully cooperating with the investigation, the los angeles times says problems plagued the production, with crew members walking off the set to protest poor working conditions hours before the fatal shooting. >> the newspaper also says crew members reported two other earlier misfires on the set. kevin williams has supervised prop guns for 20 years and is now ucla's prop department
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supervisor. >> weapons should never be left unattended, they should also be carefully monitored and made sure to be secured at all times, making sure that no live ammunition is ever brought to set. >> still other set safety experts say the rules are clear, treat all firearms as if they are loaded, production has been stopped indefinitely. alec baldwin has not been charged.
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>> pauley: it seems like an unlikely pairing, former president barack obama, and the boss, bruce springsteen. not so. anthony mason explains how shared experiences can forge a friendship. >> mr. president, you got to drive this? >> let me tell ya, this was one of the highlights of my time on this farm, was getting behind the wheel of this mean machine. >> this is a 1960, bruce, right? >> 1960 'vette. >> and how old were you when you got this? >> 25. >> and what did this mean to your life when you bought it? >> everything, everything. >> because it was all i got out
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of my record deal when i was 25 years old was this car, and i got a piano. >> well we are going to try this out, where is the key? come on, bruce. i will confess that the secret service, normally i am good about alerting them but. >> you just took off. >> yeah but i just took off, and in the rear-view mirror i could see some of my agents running behind. >> it's time for us to two. >> where we going? >> this friendship really started in 20eight. >> you know, bruce springsteen decided to charitably help out some not very well-known new u.s. senator who had the audacity to run for president. >> over time that friendship deepened. >> i am the president, he is the boss. >> in 1969, i was a 19-year-old kid playing in a bar in asbury park, the might they landed on the moon. >> and last year, they sat down
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together for a couple of days here at springsteen's new jersey farm. >> to talk about their lives and our world. >> when i look back on it, you know, we were all idiots at the time. >> those conversations became a podcast and now the book, "renegades: born in the usa. >> you describe the two of you as a little simpatico. >> well i think bruce through his music, i tease him about you know, how much better it is being a rock 'n' roll star than being a politician. >> which of course it is. >> he got the better deal. >> he does not really deny it. there is a certain sense of ministry to bruce's music. and his body of work is around these issues of you know, who are we. t wisnt wame henwe, t ld a houha given evening when i am doing my job well, is i create a space of common values and shared
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narrative. for three hours, we create that place. it exists somewhere. >> and when we build that house we are going to use the bad wood. and we are going to use the good news that is in here tonight. >> and that power of story telling is you know, at its best with what good politics does as well, right? >> state here is who we are and sheer common story we share. >> i have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins of every race and every hue scattered across three continents and for as long as i live i i will never forget in no other country on earth, is my story even possible. >> you get a lot of nostalgia sometimes for fifties and "leave it to beaver" and picket fences and that was a genuine shared story except it left a whole bunch of stuff out. >> and a lot of people out. >> people like me were left out. >> i think where bruce and i sort of overlap is that sense of it was necessary to revise the story, to make it inclusive.
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>> people got to recognize the country for what it is, its faults, its blessings. >> one of the things that is interesting, i think a lot of people would look at this and go what is a guy from hawaii and new jersey, white guy, black guy, what do you have in common? you both see yourselves as outsiders, you talk about feeling inhave i been. >> sure, it may be a story i are of all musicians you start from the outside. when i was young, i felt forces, i felt invisible, but i fought to find out where i belong. >> i joke with bruce, well, i don't understand why a kid from new jersey thinks he is an outsider, because i am an outsider, you know, you can definitely understand why barack obama is the outsider. what i do think we both shared was that sense of having questions about well, how do we fit into the existing narrative? how do we fit into the abouyour hat we are bnpartly bed
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dad was absent. >> you both talked about essentially having absentee fathers. >> yeah. >> and i think that can contribute to that sense of feeling like, i don't know exactly how i am supposed to behave or how i am supposed to act. >> let me ask you this, because you said something in the podcast bruce that really struck me was that in many ways, your work was really about your father. >> the more i look back on it, te more that's the conclusion i come to. >> what were you doing in that? >> well, in a sense we are trying to -- i try to create a physical self that i thought he would approve of, have the success that i thought he would approve of. i also felt a certain sort of, that i was an instrument of revenge for the disappointments that my father had in his life and so i started to intentionally tell these working wi both hope and compan anger ai think barack has had a very similar -- i mean why did you become president? who were you trying to impress?
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>> well, that was my next question. >> do you think in some ways your father's absence drove your ambition? >> absolutely. yes, my father was absent, he left when i was two. i met him only once, i knew him for about a month. >> that's interesting how influential that month turned out to be. >> yes, i wrote a whole book called dreams of my father a guy i didn't know. >> how unusual was it to have an integrity grade band back in the day. >> in their podcast conversation they touch on some tough subjects. >> i think, why is it so hard to talk about race? why am i -- why am i pausing here? you know,? >> for years, springsteen's e street band featured clarence clemons who died in 2011. >> the chemistry between the big man and the boss is immortalized
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in newly restored footage of springsteen's performance at the no nukes concert at madison square garden in 1979. >> in the book, many ways the most important story you ever told was you and clarence on the stage together. >> it was not intellectual, it was emotional, it was the language of the heart, but it was incredibly visual. it was more valuable than the stories i wrote in my music you know,. >> and in an ideal world what bruce and clarence portrayed on stage was essentially a reconciliation. >> that's right. >> but most of your audiences with were primarily white. the. >> and they can love clarence when she on stage, but if they ran into him in a bar, suddenly. >> oh, yeah. >> the n word comes out. >> oh, yeah. >> and part of bruce's music and part of my politics has been no, no, you have got to surface that stuff and talk about it,
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sunlight is the disinfectant and if you talk about it then you can reconcile in a true way, not in a phony way but in a real way. >> as we spe, you are heed to virginia soon to campaign. looking a year forward how are you feeling about the midterms and how the president is doing? >> well, look, i think joe biden is pursuing the exact policies that need to be pursued, has he been able to bridge the polarization that we seem growing up over several decades now? no. and in fairness to him, i wasn't able to slow that down as much as i would have liked and certainly my successor was actively promoted it, we are going to have to figure out how to do, how do we regain some sense of a common american story and i think that is going to be a longer term project. i think that is a ten, 20 year project. >> as the generational -- >> as the generational process. >> yes. the good news is that i think there is more of a common story
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among young people but the older folks like us we have to get out of the way.oing back. we can be momentarily polarized but at the end of the day history is moving on. >> that's what i do, i am an old man but i can still do what i have to do. >> he has bills to pay. >> it is a big farm. and surprising things can happen, just look at the friendship and, of barack obama and bruce sling seen. >> i think making friends as you get older in the later parts of your life, is really rewarding, and it is a little bit rare. >> comes from a different place. >> that's right. and you don't want to end up just being a lonely old guy. >> old man, that's right. >> that's the thing we are trying to avoid, right. >> that's right. >> it has been a hell of a ride life is good. >> once-weekly ozempic® a1c with can help you get back in it. oh, oh, oh, ozempic®!
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knighton explains. >> reporter: misty mountain mornings in northern utah are sublime. the birds are chirping, the sun is shining, but the far off hum of a propeller can signal a shift in the forecast. because in utah, that sound might mean it's about to start raining fish. every year, hundreds of remote lakes in the uinta mountains get an infusion of fresh fish straight from the sky. ♪ ♪ >> there's nothing that teaches you how to do this. >> you don't learn fish dropping in flight school, no? >> no. >> pilot craig hunt flies a small cessna stuffed to the gills with thousands of tiny passengers:his job is to get
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them all to their final designations even if there is a floating human in the way. >> when the lake is really narrow, i have no choice and i drop the fish and i have hit people with the fish. >> do they think it's the end of the world? >> no, they think it's pretty cool. it's usually people that are out there fishing. >> putting fish into lakes just so people can take them out of lakes? it is a strange thing our species does. it happens all across the country, but the terrain in northern utah presents some special challenges. >> up here in the uintas there are 650 lakes that we have fish in, and only a fraction of those that we can access with a vehicle. >> reporter: ted hallows is a hatchery supervisor for the utah division of wildlife resources. there is where the journey begins for the fish that are stocked in alpine lakes. more than a million a year are raised at this facility in trays and tubs and tanks. >> it doesn't take long for the.
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>> lakes near the road can be stocked with a truck. for all the rest? an airplane is actually the easy option. >> you know, in the olden days before 1956, they used to take packhorses with milk cans and they used to take them all summer to do like 30 or 40 lakes. we can do 50 or 60 lakes in a morning. >> reporter: it's a process that begins early in the morning, just as the sun is coming up. hallows and his team measure out loads of trout into specially designed compartments a set of switches up front controls the drops. the plane can hold around 14,000 fish total. as soon as it's full, it takes off into the mountains and
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then the process repeats all morning long. >> we are getting 1,200 fish of 10.4 pounds. >> each lake receives a specific allotment of fish. >> you don't want to put too many in, because then you've overpopulated and they won't be able to survive. and if you put too few in, then the fishing can fish them out. >> these young fish won't be caught for years. thanks to their small size, they can easily survive the splashdown. once they are all grown up, they will look more like this. >> i am happy with that. >> that's so fun. >> getting out to these fish could be just as challenging as catching them. anglers hike miles into the back country. >> so what is the furthest you have ever hiked in for a lake. >> >> oh, sometimes eight or nine miles. it should be good. >> hallows and his son hunter have been fishing together in the mountains ever since hunter s during the pandemic, families have knocked to utah's
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heard of wayne gretzky. the hall of famer is almost universally considered the greatest hockey player ever. lee cowan catches one the great one. >> reporter: of all the boats on idaho's lake coeur d'alene. you will find very few flying the canadian flag, and even fewer blasting only canadian pop music. >> got my first real six string -- >> it has to be canadian. >> wayne gretzky is pretty medias to spot out here. >> although he is less comfortable on the open water than he is on the frozen kind. >> wayne gretzky on the break, scores! >> people say to me all the time, do you miss playing? of course i do. >> gretzky feeds, snyder and score! >> you know, i did it since i
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was two and a half years old. >> there is gretzky. >> score! >> he did for hockey what michael jordan did for basketball or tiger woods did for golf. >> he's just one of like the greats of his sport. >> their fourth stanley cup. >> on top of four stanley cup championships, gretzky holds nearly every top record in the nhl. >> his points alone, 2,857, maybe the most untouchable record in all sports. >> wayne gretzky a break away goal. >> and yet when asked about all of his success, he's politely canadian about it all. >> i was in the right city, with the right fans, the right teammates, the right coach, the right era. if it would have been today maybe it wouldn't be the same. >> he doesn't do many interviews these days, but he still seems to enjoy the part when people like me scratch their heads in bewilderment about just how he
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became the great one. >> one of the remarkable things that people always talk about that you were sort of the nonathlete in some ways, you weren't necessarily. >> you weren't bilingual. >> yeah. >> it didn't seem like you worked out. >> i was just myself. >> yeah, you just were. which is just remarkable. some people say that makes you even more of an athlete. >> well i played to my strength, my strength was my mind. >> >> it's a hat trick for wayne gretzky. >> so i was always the smallest guy, right? i had to figure out a way to be able to be more successful than those bigger, stronger faster guys. >> he started figuring that out on an ice rink in his backyard in brantford, ontario one of his father walter gretzky built for him. >> he taught me so much more than just being a hockey player. >> >> he was canada's hockey dad and when wayne lost him this year to parkinson's at the age of 82 there was a hole that was pretty hard to fill. >> money didn't really matter to
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him, friendships did, hard work mattered to him, being passionate, being unselfish, he was what you call a true canadian. >> his dad was there throughout his entire career, including the tough moments like when the edmonton oilers traded gretzky away, canada practically went into national mourning. >> are you disappointed about having to leave edmonton? >> gretzky himself was in tears. >> but the skill and determination his dad taught him followed him to la where he truly became a king. >> he did it! he did it! the greatest goal scorer in national hockey league history is wayne gretzky! >> he helped grow the sport, even in places that hadn't seen iciness the ice age for 20 seasons number 99 thrilled fans until he finally retired in 1999. >> gretzky drove his dad to his last game, just as his dad had
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driven him to his first. >> it was the worst decision i have ever made in my life. the whole way there he kept hitting me on the leg saying, you know, you could play one more year. [laughter] >> and i said, oh, my gosh, i said, dad, i'm done. >> few would have blamed him if he did nothing after hanging up his skates. >> . no hockey trophies in this house. >> retirement is a relative term for superstars. >> he has own hockey teams, restaurants, even has a wine label and now at the age of 60, let's get the pads here for barkley. >> he is trying something entirely new. >> >> i honestly don't even know how you put those pads on. >> he joined tnt as an on air analyst, his in studio match-up with friend and now fellow host nba hall of famer charles barkley almost broke the internet this month. >> >> yeah. >> this we go. >> no. >> go, chles calls mee day,
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twice a day sometimes and i say, look, i am not charles. he is one of the most loveable people in the world, but if i am going to do this i have to be wayne gretzky, i can't be charles barkley. >> a lot of hockey players do clarl at this golf tournaments and if you are going to play hockey you don't want to embarrass yourself in front of people playing golf. >> he is not worried, though because he can talk hockey all day long, even on the golf course. >> oh. >> that's why i don't do it for a living. >> his club cover says it all. >> this is the oiler and the championships and this is the kings, 802. >> there we go. >> his wife janet is often his worthy opponent. >> who is the better golfer? >> she better. >> ask her who is more competitive. >> i am probably more competitive. >> son-in-law dustin johnson, who married their eldest daughter paulina, won the masters last year. so golf is kind of part of the family. >> gretzky's wedding to the then janet jones was canada's answer
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to a royal wedding. >> an just like she did yearsress in the flamingo kid. >> some still blame her for stealing gretzky away to hollywood. >> they also said our marriage wouldn't work and here we are 33 years later. >> they were just kind of mean about it. >> they were mean but he felt i was beside him not behind him, he brought me along with his career so i loved it. >> they are empty nesters now, their vacation home in idaho just has about everything, a beautiful view, even a double water slide that is ostensibly there for their visiting kids and grandkids. >> what is it up like here? >> it is pretty peaceful. >> his two sons. >> trevor and ty were there when we were there. >> and they maybe sum up their dad the best. >> i love what he did, the best thing he taught us is if you
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love something and work hard, things will pay off, that's all that matters. >> one of the greatest lessons gretzky says he learned from the great father was to do everything no matter how inconsequential, as if it was the stanley cup playoffs. >> so when his wife janet dares you -- in front of the great one to race him down a water slide, you really can't say no. like his backyard hockey rink sport for wayne gretzky is fun first. >> he is still part kid and maybe that's the secret. >> you are right. >> to really being great.
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