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captioning sponsored by cbs >> i'm ed o'keefe in washington. on this fourth of july "face the nation," americans are celebrating their freedom. but is it too soon to declare independence from covid-19? across the country, america seems to be making up for what was lost on this holiday weekend last year, amid more signs that life is slowly getting back to normal. >> biden: more jobs and better wages, that's a good combination. put simply, our economy is on the move. and we have covid-19 on the run. >> but with the dangerous delta variant spreading rapidly and the vaccines
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stalled, is it time for a new strategy. we'll talk with jeffrey zients and former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. and then we'll go beyond washington to check and with two governors facing unique challenges: oregon's kate brown and utah's spencer cox. rescue efforts at the collapsed condo are on hold again in surfside, florida. and we'll get the latest on the investigation into what caused the disaster with surfside mayor charles burkett. and yet another massive cyber attack, this time affecting computer servers of hundreds of u.s. companies. >> biden: the initial thinking it is not the russian government. >> andre carson -- we'll ask him about the attack and u.f.o.s. cars carson tells us why they're finally be taken very seriously. it is all ahead on "face
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the nation." ♪ >> good morning and welcome to "face the nation" on this fourth of july. i'm ed o'keefe, john is off this week. and for a holiday weekend, there is a lot of news for us to get to this morning. we begin with the collapsed building in surfside, florida. at least 24 are confirmed dead, and there are still 121 unaccounted for. omar villafranca is in surfside this morning. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, ed. the remaining portion of the champlain tower south could come down as early as monday. now, on saturday, rescue crews were replaced by demolition crews here at the site of the collapsed south florida con condo as officials focused on bringing down the remainder of the structure ahead of tropical storm
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elsa. now officials said demolishing the rest of the building could not be avoided with tropical storm elsa looming in the cariribbean. it is foforecasted t to haveve maximum m sustaineded windsds of 70 mileses per hour. ron desasantis saidid the building is shifting, and the fears that the storm could bring the structure down in the wrong direction. >> omar, what are the safety risks involved in this demolition? >> some families have asked if they can go inside the remaining structure and try to salvage anything -- keep in mind, when this happened, people ran out in the clothes they were wearing -- but they can't. it is too unsafe. and miami-dade police are going to end up going to the buildings that are next door, knocking door to door before the implosion to try to get those residents out, of course for safety reasons. had is the big issue. the mayor of miami-dade actually said that when they bring down the
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building, officials would resume the search on sections of the piles that they have safe access to as soon as they can clear some of the new debris. and the good news on that, they'll be able to have access to some areas they didn't have access to before. >> omar villafranca in surfside, florida, thank you. for more on the building collapse and the latest of the demolition plans, we turn to the mayor of surfside, charles burkett. thank you for joining us on this independence day. i appreciate this is a fluid situation, and lots of conflicting information about what may transpire. what is your understanding of how soon this building could be brought down? >> mayor: as soon as possible. as of this morning, or even last night -- i'm sorry, as of early this morning, the crews were about 80% complete with their preparation to bring the building down. as you know, the fact is that the building is being prepared to being
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demolished has stopped the work, which is critical. we need to get back to work as as soon as possible. we need to get this building taken down, and we need to move forward with the rescue of all of those people still left in the rubble. >> so you're not ruling out it could happen today at some point? >> mayor: no, i'm not. it could happen on the fourth of july? there is no concern about the symbolism of that? >> mayor: we haven't had the luxury of time to even think about that. >> understood. can they guarantee, as they prepare to bring this building down, it won't disrupt the ongoing rescue effort, and that debris field that sits there next to the tower? >> mayor: well, the intention is to bring the building down in a westward direction so that the debris pile that exists win victims in it is not affected. the hurricane will turn out to probably have been a blessing in disguise because there is an area of that mound which we were not able to work in
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safely, and this demolition is going to open up wide the whole area, and we're going to be able to pour resources on to that pile, or as the fire chief recently said, we have resources that are five deep, and we're going to attack it big time, and we're going to try to pull those victims out and reunite them with their families. >> and after 11 days, that is still the mentality, this is a search-and-rescue and not a recovery effort? >> mayor: it is absolutely not a recovery effort. i'm constantly telling people about the b.b.c. documentary which outlines susurvivability after a building collapse. where they pulled a lady in bangladesh out after 17 days. we're not even near that. there is nobody -- nobody in charge really talking about stopping this rescue effort. and this rescue effort, as far as i'm concerned, will go on until everybody is pulled out of that debris.
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>> understood. as they prepare, also, to bring down the building, whenever that happens, is there any concern for those other nearby towers? and are precautions being taken to protect those? >> mayor: you said earlier that the police are going to go door to door. however, those buildings were evacuated the day of the incident. there are no people living in the buildings to the south or the north. that should not be a barrier for us to move forward. >> good to hear. you've been in constant contact with these families who are awaiting word and from the people who lived in the building and were able to get out. you know, they've gone from, obviously, the shock to grief, anger, some acceptance about what is going on. how are they after these 11 days? >> mayor: well, this is an emotional hell for them. and it is something that i'm focused on dealing with because we have two objectives. one is to pull their relatives out of that rubble, all of them. and, number two, is to focus on supporting those
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families, and that's exactly what we've done from the very beginning. they've had anything they need, and that starts from the president on down. president biden did his job. he did what he promised he would do, and we're all very thankful to him. he ca came to our town, he consoled the victims, he congratulated the rescue workers. we are very thankful for that. we had our two senators who have been engaged like you can't believe. marco rubio calls me, and senator scott texts me almost every day and asks me what i need. we've had our united states representatives, debbie wasserman schultz, who has been fabulous, as have all of our state-elected officials, but the governor has been especially engaged. he has been here almost every day. i know he flies down from north florida. he talks to us. he tells us what his concerns are. as a matter of fact, i owe the governor a debt of
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gratitude because with his help, we were able to provide information to the mayor of dade county that she needed in order to get this demolition going sooner than later. i know she was getting lots of information, lots of conflict conflicting information, but from the very beginning, the governor and i urged her to knock this building down as soon as possible. the building has been a problem since the very beginning, and we need to eliminate all of the barriers to getting everybody out there. once this building is down, it will be a green light, full-speed ahead, and maximum effort to pull the victims out and reunite them with their families. the mayor's leadership ability has been incredible. she has been decisive and tough and compassionate. we're firing on all eight cylinders as far as all of the resources, all of the tack tictactics that are happening. as i said from the beginning, we do not have a resource problem; we only have a luck problem.
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and the storm is only the latest of the challenging circumstances. >> i want to ask you about a piece of reporting from the herald, they said that fibers wofficials were holding p repairs by not responding? does that signal this potentially could have been prevented if your colleagues had responded sooner? >> mayor: no. the issue is this: this issue all started in 2018 with a report that detailed significant deficiencies at the building. three years later the condo association was getting around to organizing the work to be done to address those deficiencies, which had been pointed out three years earlier. our building official received a courtesy request from them, not a permit application, not the details that would allow them to move forward. however, they were looking
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for guidance on certain issues. our building official responded. it was a bad coincidence, just hours before the building collapsed, with his answers to their questions. so i would say that the building officials delayed th work that was going to get done, but i will say that the building official will be commenting on the details of that interaction fully at some point in the very near future. >> we look forward to that. but first we look forward to the ongoing search-and-rescue commission. best of luck to you and your colleagues and all of the rescuers who have come from all across the country to help. tonight the president is planning a celebration of our independence from covid-19 at the white house. mark strassmann reports on america's birthday and where we are as a country in terms of gaining our freedom from the virus. >> reporter: in much of america, this july 4th seems to celebrate freedom
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from covid. >> biden: america is back and the dodgers are back. >> reporter: what a difference a year makes. two-thirds of american adults have had at least one shot of the vaccine. that's shy of president biden's goal of 70% by july 4th. but it is also close enough. new cases have plunged 95% from covid's peak. like so many relieved americans, washington state is ready to party for the 4th. >> we are open big time in the state of washington. >> reporter: a.a.a. predicts holiday travelers this weekend will reach pre-pandemic numbers. america is reopening. sometimes it seems everyone is hiring. this jobs fair in atlanta had almost 3700 positions to fill. >> at this point we would like to make you an offer for the job. are you willing to accept? >> yes.
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>> reporter: the economy added 850,000 jobs last month. that number would be higher if businesses like this california restaurant could find more busboys and dishwashers. >> busboy and dishwashers, $20 an hour. and still nothing. >> reporter: scientists worry about the sprawling delta variant, highly contagious and now present in all 50 states. >> if you've not gotten the vaccine yet, the fire is still a very real threat to you. >> eporter: this colorado clinic closed; too little deemed. vaccinations remain po polarizing. in 10 states, the rate is below 55%. and roughly 1,000 counties in america have a rate below 30%. on the 4th, no one wants to think about more struggle. but before the end of this month, the delta variant
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could become america's most dominant. >> our thanks to mark strassmann reporting from atlanta. we turn now to the white house covid-19 response coordinator jeffrey zients. thank you for being with us. >> good morning, ed, and happy 4th. >> we've come a long way since the last july 4th, and a lot of it is a testament to science. but should we really be declaring independence right now from the pandemic? >> we so many people now vaccinated, tens of millions of americans can now return to life -- to more normal life, getting together with friends and family, going to restaurants, attending sporting events. now, to be clear, that is not true for unvaccinated people. unvaccinated people are not protected. we have a lot more work to do across the summer months to reach unvaccinated people, make it easy for people to get their shots and their second shot, and to answer people's questions.
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and the key to answering questions are physicians and other health care professionals. increasingly we have vaccines in doctors' offices. if you're not vaccinated, you are not protected, until you are fully vaccinated. until you are fully vaccinated you need to mask up. but the great news is so many americans you now fully vaccinated and can return to life as normal, and that is worthy of celebration. >> what specifically are you going to do to get those unvaccinated americans to get the shot? 36% of those eligible for those vaccines, more than a third of people 12 and over, haven't received a single dose. what has to be done specifically to get those people to get a shot? >> the good news is across the last several months, we've seen an increase in vaccine confidence, more and more people wanting to get a shot. that's good news. now we need to make sure we meet people where they ar. make it really easy to get
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a shot. meet people at sporting events, at places of worship, mobile units to reach people in their neighborhoods. we also have to be available at a local level, to answer people's questions about the vaccine, about safety and efficacy. so we are ready to answer people's questions and give them their first shot. we're going to continue to do this in a fair and equitable way so we reach all americans. >> one of the more troubling aspects of this is now the partisanship of getting vaccinated. in a "washington post" poll this morning reens forces that 86% of democrats have received at least one shot, but 38% of republicans, over all sea tsaythey will most definitely get shots against the virus. how do you take the politics about t out of this?
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>> president biden has been clear this is about public health. this is not about politics. we need to continue to reach people where they are and have trusted messengers at a local level. the good news is as people see their friends and family and neighbors get vaccinated, more and more people get vaccinated. close to 90% of seniors now with at least one shot, that is so important because that is the most vulnerable population. at the same time clearly, at 90%, there are people from all parts of america, political parties and beliefs, so we need to make sure we continue to build on the progress we have made, to build vaccine confidence. >> at the same time you're urging local officials and athletes and doctors to take up this issue and promote vaccinations across the country, the federal government is prepared to send in surge
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response teams for the states that are having outbreaks. talk a little about what those surge response teams are, what they're going to do, and does it potentially either affect or help people getting people vaccinated if the federal government is sending in officials? >> we're working with state and local officials particularly in those areas where we see increases in cases. and those are generally areas where they have lower vaccination rates. so the federal government stands ready, with the whole of government effort to work with local officials to increase vaccinations, to provide increased testing, and also therapeutics to ensure that people don't get sick who have contracted the disease. so we're going to work with our state and local partners, particularly in those areas of the country with lower vaccination rates, to make sure we're doing everything we can to stop the spread of the disease. >> if i'm somebody who has
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been vaccinated, if there is somebody who is watching this program who is vaccinated and curious, do they need to get a booster shot this fall with their flu vaccine? >> that is a question that is being studied in clinical studies. the biden administration will look to the scientists and the doctors onadvice on boosters. that has not been determined yet. what i can tell you is if boosters are needed, we are ready, as we have been throughout this fight with the pandemic. we have constituency plans and we have supply. so if the decision is made that the boosters are needed, we are ready. but that decision has not been made by the scientists and doctors. it will be based on clinical trials that are ongoing, and as soon as the doctors and scientists determine they have the data they need, they'll make that decision. >> jeffrey zients, thank you so much for spending part of independence day with us. "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us.
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>> we go now to force former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. >> doctor: good morning. >> the science and trials weren't complete in terms of weather booster shots will be necessary. that's not what we've been hearing from drug companies and other medical professionals. in your view, are we going to need boosters this fall? >> doctor: i think some people will have the option of getting boosters. it will be recommended for some people. the trials are on-going, jeff is right. those trials are going to read out in the next couple of months. there is some data right now that does support the fact when you get a booster, it does broaden your immunity, meaning you get more antibodies from the second shot, and you get what we call poly clonal response, which suggests that the booster
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could give you better immunity. there could be a recommendation for certainly people, maybe over the age of 65, or people who are out a certain amount of time from receiving their second dose. it could include people who have pr pre-existing conditions. what we've seen from the clinical data, and the clinical data is people who have been naturally infected from covid, we see that the immunity does decline over time. particularly among older individual, the immunity does is decline over time. >> when it comes to the delta variant, raging across many western and southern states, how many more americans could be affected by that and how soon? >> doctor: i think given how transmissible this variant is, it is likely to infect about 85% of the
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♪ >> ed: welcome back to "face the nation." we want to continue our conversation with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. the white house is holding this big independence day event tonight. they've been talking broadly about declaring independence from the pandemic, or the idea that americans will be able to feel a little normal than last year. would it be wise to be declaring independence from the pandemic? >> doctor: i wouldn't be declaring mission accomplished. i think it will be a long fight. but we've got immunity
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into the population through the vaccine, and the virus levels are lower than last year. there is so much immunity in the population, not just through vaccinations, buand also from people who have acquired immunity through the virus. at best it will be on par with the second circulating flu. i think we need to think differently about respiratory path gins in pathogn the wintertime. with the flu, we were far too complacent about it. i don't think we can be complacent about the risk of respiratory pathogens in the workplace and schools. we're going to have to do some things differently. this is going to be a new nornormal. >> ed: does this mean, for example, we'll have to keep a face mask in our
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pockets or in our bags, especially come the fall, and at times a company or school or the airlines may say during these few weeks might be best to mask up or keep your distance? and is that going to become normal? >> doctor: i think the use of mask will become more normalized. i think going to work with the sniffles is going to be frowned upon. i think businesses will have access to routine testing. i think there might be symptom checks. fever guns might become more routine, even though they no they are not that helpful. that doesn't mean there will be mask mandates reimposed. i'm not sure that is what we should be doing, given the substantially reduced overall death and disease from the coronavirus. i do think we're going to need to be more vigilant
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about the spread of respiratory pathogens. it used to be something that you used to think you were brave if you toughed out a cold. but now you're going to be asked to stay home. i think we'll deal differently with the risk of respiratory diseases in the wintertime. >> ed: in other words, if you're that employee who shows up at work with a cold and says, i'm going to work through it, the boss should tell you to go home and rest and don't get everybody else sick. >> doctor: and you may have a symptom check before you come to work or school. we'll have a different etiquette around respiratory pathogens. the flu and the coronavirus could be twin viruses. we were too compleaft complacent about the flu. we let it kill far too many people. we have to look at air
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but we are the youngest state in the nation, so we have a very large population of young people who weren't eligible to get vaccinated, those under the age of 12. in every state, the younger you are, even amongst the eligible population, the less likely you are to be vaccinated. we're working hard to encourage our younger population to get vaccinated. we have 89% of those over the age of 65, and our dath rates have come down because of that. but we desperately need more. >> ed: i know there have been reports of outbreaks among children in overnight camps, and utah has a lot of them. how is your state prepared to vaccinate them once you get the go ahead do do that? >> governor: we have set up a very robust vaccination network. throughout the state. we're also a very rural state, so that adds a component that is difficult as well. but we have mobile vaccine clinics all over the
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state. it has never been easier to get a vaccine. we're working with school districts. we did that before for those over the age of 12, before school was let out, to have vaccine clinics available at schools or close to schools, working with pediatricians and family practitioners as well. we'll be ready once we get the go ahead. we're just waiting for the f.d.a. to make that decision. >> in several states across the country, they have set up essentially lotteries for people who end up getting a vaccine, and severalpeople have won hefty sets of money for showing up. your state legislature has blocked you from offering cash incentives. would you like that option? >> governor: we're certainly having those conversations with the legislature. they're looking closely at what is working in other states. i would like all options on the state. i would say not dying is a
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great incentive. governor justice this morning is saying everybody is playing a lottery of sorts. if you're not vaccinated, you're playing a different kind of lottery, i think he called it the death lottery, or something like that. we're hopeful that reason will rule and people will see how affective these vaccines are. 95% of deaths since may have been amongst unvaccinated people in the state. those are deaths that don't have to happen, hospitalizations that don't have to happen. it is very simple to get the vaccine right now. >> ed: there is a new "washington post" poll out this morning that reinforces the unfortunate partisan divide. overwhelming democrats say they have been vaccinated. 45% of republicans, and 38% of republicans say they'll definitely not get the vaccine. what do you make of that? >> governor: well, it is troubling. i've spoke about this often over -- not even
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over the past four years, but over the past eight years, about how unfortunate it is that politics is becoming religion in our country, that politics is becoming sport and entertainment in our country. that everything is political. it is a huge mistake. and it has caused us to make bad decisions during this pandemic and in other phases of our life as well. it is deeply troubling. we're doing a little better amongst republicans here in the state of utah when it comes to vaccines, versus those numbers you just shared, and we'll continue to work with everyone in our state to get them vaccinated. >> ed: i want to turn your attention, governor, to the weather. there have been incredible maps that have shown drought conditions in your state. look at this map, for example, a year ago versus now. 100% of utah is in drought. 98% of the state is in extreme drought. 65% in exceptional drought, the highest intensity. what is the best way to
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respond to something that is going to be really difficult to reverse at this point? >> governor: sure. there are lots of different responses that are necessary. one, we have to conserve water better, use less water. we have water restrictions across the state. i'm also a farmer. we're down about 70% of our water consumption right now. that will have economic and food stability impacts across our state. every person in our state has to do less water. we'll do that through restrictions and technology advances as we move forward. and, number two -- we talked about this with western governors last week, we have to store more water. the people that settled these arid mountains and western states knew that. we're not doing a great job of that. i'm grateful in this bipartisan infrastructure push, there is money for that type of infrastructure, storing water above ground and underground as well. and that will make a big
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difference. and we're also the fastest-growing state in the nation, so we have to be prepared for generations to come. >> ed: you're a sixth generation alpha farmer. and you're the member of a party that includes people who don't believe in climate change. how detrimental is that to the future of the g.o.p.? >> we're working very hard to help people understand the impacts of climate change. you may have noted recently representative john curtis here from the state of utah helped to form a republican climate caucus at the federal level. so there is more work being done. as you mentioned earlier, that's a 50-year solution. so we have to do better, and utah is doing better. we're cutting back on emissions here in the state of utah. working with our governors across the west. kate brown, who you're going to have on, we're
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working on electric car. but we also have to take the short-term in pacts, which president biden did talking about wildfires in the west. >> ed: governor, thank you so much. when you're here in d.c., please come see us. we want to move to oregon, and each day we're learning more deaths are being linked to the extreme heat. in oregon alone, at least 90 people have died. governor kate brown joins us. events like this hot streak you just had -- they said they are likely to be more frequent and intense and last longer in the future. if that's the case, how should your residents being preparing for that? for example, if there is somebody who doesn't have an air conditioner, should they be going out and getting one right now? >> governor: thank you, ed, for having me this morning. i'm delighted to have an opportunity to appear on the program. we have been working to
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prepare for climate change in this state for a number of years. what was unprecedented, of course, was the three days of record-breaking heat, and it was horrific to see over 90 orego oregons lose their lives. we need to work with our health partners that provide health care to the vulnerable. to make sure that they understand there are resources available, for example, to buy an air conditioner if they have certain underlying health conditions. we worked really hard with our community partners to get the message out that the heat was going to be very, very strong over last weekend. they set up cooling centers, provided water to the vulnerable. unfortunately, we still lost too many lives.
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absolutely unacceptable. following events like this, we always do reviews to see what we can do better next time. >> ed: have you begun that review? have you got a sense of what has to be done? >> governor: absolutely. i think the concern is this is a harbinger of things to come. we literally have had four emergency declarations in this state at the federal level since april of 2020. labor day of last year, we had horrific wildfires. they were historic. we lost over a million acres, over 4,000 homes and nine lives. and what is really, really clear, just like we saw during the pandemic, throughout these emergency events, our communities of color, our low-income families are disproportion
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disproportionately impacted, and we have to center the voices of black and brown and indigenous people at the forefront of our work as we do emergency work. >> ed: you met with the president, with other governors, including governor cox, to discuss the drought and heatwaves and the change in climate. what does the federal government need to be doing to help these western states prepare for this new normal? >> governor: that was a really good question, and it was a question that the president asked. in short, we need resources and we need boots on the ground. for example, we need financial resources to be able to purchase critical, essential equipment, like aircraft, to help us fight fire. senator widen has done a good job to get us financial resources to be able to train our national
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guardsmen and women ahead of time so they can support our firefighting efforts. it also means that agencies like fema, who do not aid our undocumented families -- we need to make sure that that happens. so, for example, of the families that lost homes in southern oregon last labor day fire, several hundred of them were undocumented. fema does not provide aid or assistance to these families. it is absolutely unacceptable. these families are so much a part of our communities. they're the heart and soul of our culture, and they are the backbone of our economy. they deserve the assistance. and they need it. >> ed: i want to move you to one other issue that is of urgent importance there in portland, where you, and many other cities across the country, and that is the surge in gun violence, especially at a time with police agencies are struggling to maintain or hire mu officers new officers.
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you're seeing that in oregon. how should you deal with the surge in violence at a time when the ranks are depleted? >> governor: there is no question that the city of portland, like many cities across the country are hurting right now. the level of gun violence is absolutely unacceptable. we are continuing to move forward on legislation at the state level. every oregonian has the right to be free from gun violence. in terms of our law enforcement community, we have had in this state, and i think across the country, a long, overdue clarion call for justice. what is clear is that our law enforcement system needs a culture change, and that's area i'm working on with my team and new leadership with the agency that trains of
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oversees the oregon state police -- >> ed: governor, let's have you back to talk about that some time soon. happy independence day day, governor brown of oregon. and we'll be back in a moment.
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>> ed: in a recently declassified report, u.s. intelligence officials have offered into explanation for dozens of unexplained sightings witnessed by navy pilots since 2004. and carsandre carson shared a classified briefing and joins us from washington. good mrning. before we talk about u.f.o.s, i want to ask you about these reports of a new ransomware attack that apparently has affected at least dozens of u.s. companies. have you learned anymore about it? >> this attacks obviously have always targeted, primarily, two pillars of our american foundation: the government and u.s. businesses. we've seen it with solar winds and with the colonial pipeline. we've been briefed as a committee. we're looking into it.
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the biden administration has a very serious plan in terms of pushing back on these attackers. so along with the start-up entities, the small businesses, and the u.s. government, we're working on encryption. we want a system that is protected, but we don't want something that is so impenetrable we can't catch criminals and human-sex traffickers. >> ed: to cut to the chase, do we know who did it? was it russia? >> i can't speak to that matter right now. >> ed: okay. i'm taking it off the table. understood. look, this report that the pentagon released and that you're pushing for more conversation about, it is about a nine-page declassified report, and nowhere in this do i see words "outerspace," "extraterrestrial," or "aliens." is that wrong? should that be ruled out? >> well, the report is
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inconclusive. what we know is there have been nearly 150 sightings. 80 of the sightings have been detected with some of the best technology the world has ever seen. we can't rule out something that is other worldly, but that is a very small percentage. people want the government to say it is ext extraterrestrial. obviously it possess a national concern for us because we don't want our adversaries to have, one, a technological advance over us in terms of what they can do and their capabilities. but what is curious is many of these sightings have occurred around many of our military assets, our military installations. >> ed: you said earlier this week it is your hope that these so-called u.a.p.s are not have another nation and that it is not from the private
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sector. if it is not them, then what is it? >> well, i mean, you know, we always have to look at natural phenomenon. we have to look at weather balloons. we have to look at drones. we have to look at aircraft that we may not be able to understand -- at least most people may not be able to understand. but if it is other worldly, we have to take into account our advancements in terms of our cell phone technology, and why aren't these images being captured. we have to think about the nearly 4,000 satellites orbiting earth right now. most of those satellites have cameras attached to them. why hasn't any of that information be released? we want to make sure that or adversaries don't have a technological edge, but we can't rule out to 2% to 6% that we can't explain, maybe even other worldly. my hope is as the chairman of the subcommittee on
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counterintelligence that we will have a series of hearings and possibly a public hearing in the very near future. >> ed: when will that be? >> we have a pretty ambitious schedule. chairman schiff has a pretty ambitious schedule. we're planning on having a series of hearings, hopefully in indiana as well, dealing with our white nationalist threats, threats to our internal security, and hopefully we will discuss u.a.p.s in the very near future. >> ed: you talked about sort of dealing with the stigma of the possibility this is coming from somewhere beyond earth. in your view, quickly, is there life out there? >> look, it would be arrogant to say that there isn't life out there. certainly i believe that there is something in the spance of the universe. is there life in our solar
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