tv Face the Nation CBS December 7, 2014 5:00pm-5:31pm PST
bob we're going to continue our conversation on race and policing with scott thompson the chief of police in cam ben, new jersey, city that was ranked at most dangerous city of its size, things are not perfect but they are getting better. chief, i'd just like to ask you as we talk about this situation in general, what are you doing differently there in camden? >> well, bob, may 1, 2013, we established new police department. what arguably one of the most challenged cities in terms of crime, poverty and social inequities. in less than 24 months we began remarkable transformation of taking streets that were once controlled by criminals and drug dealers now being occupied by children riding their bicycles
and families enjoying the front steps. we did this in manner without militarizing neighborhoods or polarizing the community. we established culture from very early on that relationship that we bind us with our people was one based upon building community first and enforcing the law second. >> schieffer: did you get rid of any police that were on the force because basically what you've done you made the city and county in to one police unit as it were, did that mean discharging some of the people you had in the original force there? >> well, every member of the organization is a new member of the organization including myself. essentially we -- 155 were hired, we suffered through some significant attrition prior to that. but the transformation that we were able to do enabled us to connect with our people. and to establish the fact that
cops are going to perform as guardians not as warriors the results we've seen, we have cut shootings and murders in half in less than 24 months. >> schieffer: if you had to pick out one single thing that you would say to other departments around the country, this is the thing that worked for us. what would it be, chief? >> human contact officers walking the beat getting out of their squad cars, nothing builds trust like human contact there. is no replacement for it. when we launched our organization we had officers going up and down the streets knocking on doors, talking to the residents, asking them things that matter most to them. then we will work with you to address that. we can't have our only interaction with the public be moments of crisis. need to have interaction with the public all throughout the day and not just when times are bad. >> schieffer: what about the equipment question, do you think these cameras on each police
officer will that help things? >> i think it's a start. i believe that the cameras are the wave of the future. what is key in all of this, what we were seeing now is for the police to be able to function efficiently, effectively need the consent of the people. and what we're hearing now is that there's issues. it's a critical moment for law enforcement for us to not circle our wagons to get defensive position but to keep our ears and our minds open. and move forward in a way that has a collective, universal agreement of how the justice system operates. >> schieffer: chief, thank you for being with us this morning. i also want to wish you the very best, it sounds like you're making some progress there, not many communities in the country right now who can say that. keep it up. thanks so much. i want to turn now to soledad o'brien the executive producer and director of "black and blue"
which is part of her "black in america series" focuses on the new york city police department and eric garner case. you, soledad, used this incident in new york as to set the stage for this documentary to survey what is going on in america. what did you find? >> you know, it's interesting, even though the killing of eric garner opens our documentary, i think anybody who thinks that what is happening right now is only about eric garner or only about michael brown, is really missing what is happening in black america. what is fascinating to hear the chief talk about what they're focused on. he has build community, talks about culture, talked about transforming how you interact with people. that you actually realizing is that retraining, talked about cameras. it's a different philosophy. african americans feel they are treat differently in the criminal justice system.
there is aggressive targeting of black people that doesn't happen in white communities. it's thatting aer over so many years that really percolating up now. >> schieffer: do you think that is a valid feeling that they are being treat differently? >> look at the statistics. if you look in new york stop and frisk measures between -- these are police members we looked at them. between 2002 and 2012 there were five million. 8% were blacks and latinos. 90% of those people who were stopped, 90%, that did not move on to an arrest even to a summons. those people had done nothing. 90% of the blacks and latinos that were stopped in stop and frisk new york city didn't do anything. imagine what that does to a culture if you fit the description, which means you're a black male 19-25. >> schieffer: were mows of the stops, were those in high
crime areas? >> often in high crime areas, absolutely. >> schieffer: you wouldn't see that as justification that you might operate differently in areas where there are lots of crimes than areas where there are relatively -- >> the challenge is that it's not being applied proportionally. for example, you have -- if you are arresting and stopping people who are -- many haven't done anything you create a culture in that community, even high crime community, where people feel like they are being criminalized even those that we saw in our documentary who haven't done anything. young man who talked to us had been stopped a hundred times at least. he was stopped, his professors walking by, his classmates going by. at some point it becomes very damaging to these individuals but also to community that understands, this is unfair. >> schieffer: i saw one interesting -- it was interesting to me, you highlight that one major problem you say
is putting rookie cops in neighborhoods that they're not from. >> it's not even that they're not from necessarily, i think you're putting rookie cops in neighborhoods that are these high crime neighborhoods. we were out in the street ip some of the dangerous neighborhoods three days after the rookie cops had been brought on to the force. >> schieffer: somehow almost like school teachers where people say you ought to put your best teachers in the worst schools not in the best schools. >> most experienced. exactly. i asked commissioner bratton about that he used the word, think of it as a surge, which is military term, if you will. i think that what they're trying to do now in the police department, the nypd match the rookies with people who are more experienced. overwhelm an area but with people who are experienced, that has been problematic. >> schieffer: what is the one thing that you would say to people about, after doing this work looking at the problem, what needs to be done here? with is the most important thing
to do? >> understanding. we did our first "black in america" documentary, we talked to families, tell me about the conversation which is, the conversation they had with their 11 or 12-year-old son not about how to deal with the police. white people would say, i tell my children they should be respectful of the police. black people say i teach my son how to survive an interaction with the police regardless of socioeconomic status. that is problematic. that i think is at the core of the marchs and anger that we've seen. >> schieffer: soledad o'brien. nice to have you with us. we'll be back in a minute.
columnist charles blow to the broadcast, joined by david ignatious, jean cummings, senior ed or of bloomberg politics and gerry seib the washington bureau chief. i want to start interest this business of race. jean, bloomberg has a when asked if race relations have gotten better or worse under barack obama the first black president. 53% of those polls said they have gotten worse. when you break it down further, 56% of whites said relations have gotten worse as did 45% of blacks. are we going backwards here when it comes to race relation? >> i think it depends on which community you're in. for the black community i'm not sure that they saw whole lot of improvement. they were hoping, very hopeful for improvement. i think when we look at our prior polls the white
communities numbers moved substantially to say that things have deteriorated in recent times. but in general, there's not a huge difference between the two. both communities now believe that things have deteriorated. and that division is evident also when we polled where the public is on non-verdicts in ferguson and new york. in ferguson slight majority, 52% agree with that decision. that is driven by majority of whites. in new york it is both communities view it as unacceptable that decision is unacceptable. in both cases about 9-% of the black community they reject those of the decisions by the grand juries not to indict. this could be evidence that that camera is important because in new york people could see what happened. in ferguson, there is debate about what happened. >> schieffer: charles, get back to this first finding here
that race relations are worse under a black president than they were under a white president. what do you make of that? >> well, at least they're saying that's what people are saying. but you have a causal relationship. because of him something that he has done or is it the reaction to him actually being the president, which is not really about him but about us. i think that is the bigger question, bigger philosophical question as to how do we respond to people who do not look like us. do we believe that they have our interest at heart. do we believe that we can identify and empathize with that person. if we cannot, exacerbate what already exists in terms of bias how we see race relations in this country. that's a real question that we have to ask ourselves about who
we are and whether or not things were in fact better before this president and just were underneath the surface. >> schieffer: david, i don't mean to suggest that it's barack obama's fault. i found that stunning that this would be the finding that a lot of people say that things are worse now than they were. >> sociologists talk about a revolution of rising expectations. where because of changes, election of the first african american president. having eric holder as our attorney general. people expect things are changing then when they see evidence in these cases where young unarmed black men are being shot and people who shoot them are not being indicted there's a special anger because people thought things were getting better. thought with this african american president it would be different. that is part what's behind it. sense of disappointment.
america mass had race issues, it's a continuum in our national story. i wonder if the explosion of anger doesn't have to do with people saying it should have been better because of the changes we thought the country made in electing barack obama. >> schieffer: and it's not. >> here is this problem. how many years have we heard about driving while black, an experience that african americans have. do we really react, really take it in say, okay, if that's true, so many seem take that, what do do you different about it? >> gerry, "wall street journal" had great forum last week you talked to a lot of top news makers including jeb bush among other people. just ask you this, attorneys holder is expected to announce new racial profiling guides this week. since racial profiling is already illegal, supposedly, as you were talking to these news
makers last week did you get any feeling about what the impact of this is going to be? >> it's funny because i think everybody has this sense that we've been talking about around the table here, which is one of frustration. like, why can't we get this right. what has gone wrong? there is racial profiling as the law applies to it and racial profiling as it works on the ground in american society. in law enforcement circles, what i was struck by as we had these conversations inability for anybody to get their arms around this subject. we were talking about the president. what is striking to me you can sense his frustration when he talks about this. not only can i not figure out how to stop this i may be actually having a more difficult time as nation's first african american president, he's acutely aware he can't be seen only as that he has to be seen as president of all americans. may make it more difficult for him he has to keep reminding us, i can't put my finger on the scales of justice. a lot of people share the same frustration that he shares.
>> certainly when we talk to the people that participated in our poll and this is the first of several stories that will be coming out this week. even both white and black respondents on the poll felt like there was more the president could have done. >> mr. blow, i want to ask you about something else. that is this intelligence committee report that is coming out. maybe those of us in washington become more intrigued by this than people in the rest of the country. this thing sounds like, if it is made public and obviously there's a lot of politics at play here. do you think it's going -- what kind ever impact do you think it's going to have? >> there's a lot of worries about whether or not it will put lives in danger. i do believe that the american people have real desire to know,
i kind of always err on the side of right to know. and not that i want to put anybody's life in danger, but i do believe that american people want to know. i think it's important to have it. >> schieffer: is it important that this come out david or what do you think -- >> i think the facts about what happened during this really horrifying period which we used extreme techniques should come out. argument that is made by people who read this draft both former cia officers and republicans who were on the committee is that it's not a fair rendering of the facts. and for that reason they are troubled by it. i struck by unusual situation where you have representatives of the administration, the yia director, john kerry secretary of state plus members of the other party on congress joining to say, we have real misgivings about this. i think it's going to happen this week, almost whatever
worries people have it will happen we'll get through it. >> schieffer: you talked to jeb bush, he said get nomination you may not be able. number one, do you think he's going to -- looked like somebody who wants to run. i don't think he's crossed that final bridge which is make sure your family on board which is what he said. but i asked him, he leaned forward he said i'm thinking about running for president and i'm going to decide soon. in a way that made you believe this is at the front of this. he also kind of seemed to me the other answers to be trying out an announcement speech. here are things to do as republicans. handful of issues. then made this fascinating remark that you just referred to that we republicans have to be more prepared to lose the primary in order to win the election. which is to say, don't cater to the special interests. we know there is going to be more coming on this story. >> schieffer: well, something else is coming. the british. when we come back.
westmacott. thank you so much for coming. americans need a little break in the news. we're having a lot of bad news, we have this situation now involving race that's going on. but at least we're going to get a little change ever pace with a visit of prince william and his wife, the duchess of cambridge. most americans call her kate. are you concerned that they may be flying in to something here with this situation we've got going in new york now that might put their security in danger? >> well, i appreciate being on the show. i very much hope not. this is a visit going to take in both new york and washington. the duke will be coming to washington as well. will be doing a number of event r events in new york we very much hope not. obviously what is going on there is a matter of concern for those who are looking after other issues. we see no reason why the royal program should be affected bob you might put a damper on this visit shin way?
>> i can't tell exactly what is going to happen from one day to the next. we hope not this is a visit which we attach great deal of importance. the mayor, the city of new york have been very supportive, very kind in helping us put together a visit which i believe will be a great success. >> schieffer: you know, i was thinking about this, americans have no desire to have a monarchy of their own but they seem fascinated with the british royal family and especially these two. i wonder sometimes are they more popular in this country than they are in great britain? >> some of my friends tell me that they regret with the monarchy. something you rather not have done. but certainly the case that these days there is enormous affection for the royal family, i find this wherever i go across the united states. i think you are right. people focus not only on the longevity and extraordinary devotion of our queen that has
been there more than 60 years but next two generation, and then of course the next generation after that. i think you're right in kate and william, have captured the hearts and imagination of people around the world. >> schieffer: are they treated with more reverence here than in great britain. some of the press accounts there can be snarky. >> they can in the united kingdom. i think at the moment that the press have actually been pretty fair, balanced, constructive. they have been delighted in the way in which dutchess has in the role of the wife of the heir to the throne how how hard working she has become. i think all that is going well. you're right. in the past sometimes had been a little bit harsh but for the moment seems to be very well. >> schieffer: she is pregnant again is expecting when, in april?
>> that's when i hear. >> schieffer: is it a boy or girl? >> if anyone does they're not telling us. >> schieffer: let me ask you about some other things. how would you describe relations between united states and great britain right now? >> of course i would say i'm the british ambassador. i think we're in a good place. i think we have very strong relationships at the political level. our defense organizations, armed services agencies, we are more closely and we have to given the threats around the world. and by international security challenges we have. pretty much eye to eye and shoulder to shoulder in the different theaters around the world where there needs to be international presence. >> schieffer: thank you so much for joining us. we hope that the visit goes well and is a big success. they will be warmly welcomed here, the duke and duchess of
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amazing upset in the battlef the bay. the raiders make a huge dent in the 49ers chans for a playoff spot. good evening, i'm brian hac. collin kaepernick, the raiders make a huge depth in the 49er's chances for a play off spot. good evening. if you are the raiders this is likely in the super bowl, the 9ers, your season is over, vern? >> reporter: yeah, ann, the season has been made if you follow the raiders. what a commanding wear down of the 49ers. if you are a fan of san francisco, another punchless, listless performance as they had nothing throughout. let's roll a quick hit of the