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this sunday, the deadlocked democrats. >> it dutsz president matter whether it's in six minutes, six days or six weeks. we're going to get it done. >> president biden delays the vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill as progressive and moderate democrats fail to agree on social spending. >> we're going to get this done. >> progressives hold firm on their social policy bill. >> i have consistently said thaç we need a vote in the senate. >> moderates push back on the price tag. >> i'm not asking them to change. i'm willing to come from zero do 1.5. >> even as they agree both bills must pass. >> we all have one common
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vision. fail your is not an option. >> my guest this morning, senator bernie sanders of vermont and senior white house adviser cedric richmond. facebook under fire. >> facebook knows that its services are actively harming young children. >> o[ reportedly hiding research showing its instagram platform is harmful to teenagers. i'll talk to co-host of the pay coast cara swisher and jeff horowitz. also, afghanistan fallout. >> -- >> top military leaders say president biden rejected advice to leave some forces in afghanistan. >>■ç did these officers input g to the president. >> their input was received by the president. >> forcefully pushed back by republican demands that they resign. joining me for invite and analysis are "wall street
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journal's" peggy noonan, former also crryuer of "punchbowl news." welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck ç todd. good sunday morning. at least congress made sure the government didn't shut down, but that's not all that didn't happen this past week. democrats will slim majorities and big differences of opinion did not manage to pass either of their two big priorities. moderate democrats wanted to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill and keep negotiating on the progressives' larger social spending wish
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>> everyone wants these roads and bridges, but people aren't going to remember the rode the way they will remember if they wake up in the morning and they now have child care so they can go back to work. >> we need a vote. we need to be real. are we going to deliver
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universal pre-k to this country or not. >> house speaker nancy pelosi promised to call a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill on monday. >> bring the bill tomorrow for consideration. >> then again on thursday. >> there will be a vote áday. there will be a vote today. >> but put it off on friday for a third time without the votes to pass it. >> speaker pelosi will there be a vote today? >> when we have the vote. >> the decision was a blow to the party's moderate wing? >> is this a setback for the president's agenda and the democratic agenda. >> when we get it done, it will be a victory. >> new jersey congressman josh gottheimer criticized pelosi saying she breached her firm public commitment to bring the bill up for a vote in september and lashed out at a small far left faction of the house. >> everybody is frustrated. it's part of being in government. >> the president told house democrats in a closed door meeting on capitol hill to lower the price tag to between $1.9 and $2.3, closer to what we've
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wfr senator manchin is proposing. >> my top line is 1.5 because i believe in my heart that what we can do, the needs we have right now and what we can afford to do without basically changing our whole society to■ç an entitleme mentality. >> arizona's kyrsten sinema has privately said she won't support corporate or income tax rate increases. on saturday she called the two-track process an ineffective stunt. >> we ask bring the moderates and progressivetion together with two bhor votes, two. >> progressives say even a smaller bill must address their priorities, housing, climate change, elder care and paid family leave, immigration and a medicare expansion. >> we need■ç to have a way to verify that whatever we agree to does not get delayed and does not get changed. >> bide dern campaigned on his ability to bring people together and deliver. crafting with opponent bernie sanders in the primary.
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>> can you get it done? have you ever done anything big? have you ever been able to put together coalitions? >> now he is being challenged to make good on that promise. >> come ■çon, man. unite the party. >> joining me is senator bernie sanders of vermont, the chair of the budget committee. senator sanders, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> my pleasure. >> let me start with what apparently the president said behind closed doors to the house democrats and he floated the idea that, hey, this number is going to be a little lower, $1.9 trillion tord $2.2 trillion. have you accepted the fact that it's not going to be ■ç$3.5 trillion. >> chuck, by the way, that is not my understanding of what he said. what he said is there's going to have to be give and take on both sides. i'm not clear that he did bring forth a specific number. but what the president also said, and what all of us are saying is that maybe the time is
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now for us to stand up to powerful special interests who are currently spending hundreds of millions of dollars trying to prevent us from doing what the american people want. we want to lower■ç substantiall prescription drug costs in this country so we're not paying ten times more for certain drugs than canada and other countries. the pharmaceutical industry has 1,400 lobbyists on capitol hill right now trying to stop us. we want to deal with the existential threat of climate change. we want to deal with child care. we want to expand medicare so elderly people can chew their food, can have hearing aids, can have eyeglasses and we can pay for this by demanding that the wealthiest people■ç and largest corporations finally start paying their fair share of taxes. that's what this struggle is about. do we do what the american people want? do we fulfill what democracy is supposed to be about or bow down to powerful special interests.
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>> what's your preference when writing this bill? i know what your initial preference was. you believe $3.5 trial i don't know is compromise, you started at 6 trillion. whatever the number ends up being agreed upon, do yot0 believe in these programs -- there's a large wish list and a set of needs the country has, but you might not be able to do all of them fully funded. do you believe in trying to do as many of them as you can and maybe some of them are smaller programs and you'll vote on them in a couple years to extend the funding, or do you think you've got to do three or four things really well? >> chuck, this is not a wish list. climate change and cutting carbon emissions has everything to do with whether or not we leave this planet to future generations that is healthy and is habitable. scientists tell us we've got a few years. you want more workers out in the workforce, we need to reform child care so a million women can come back to work and not
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have to pay as a family 20% or 30% of their income for child care. you have■ç to have skilled workforce. we can't have a skilled workforce and do the jobs that are out there unless we train young people. that's why we want to make community college tuition-free. this is not a wish list. this is what the working families of this country want and hat the economy needs. the real question is -- the republicans, of course, are owned by the pharmaceutical industry and the fossil fuel industry. we don't expect them to do anything. but the question now is whether the democrats can come together, and i think that we can, to finally do what working■ç famils in this country desperately want us to do. >> i'm curious. one of the things we've observed here in our news division is we know we're going to be closer to a deal when we see you and senator manchin in the same room with the president. i'm curious. senator schumer apparently had a
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memo that had the number that senator manchin -- basically his beginning negotiating number. was that news to you, or have you known this for a couple of months where senator manchin stood on■ç his red lines? >> well, senator manchin has, in fact, been public about talking. his number was $1.5 trillion. that's fine. that's a good negotiating start. manchin has also said he wants it paid for. i want it paid for. you can pay for it with the $3.5 trillion bill by finally demanding that the wealthiest people and the large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes. as you well know, chuck, there's a■ç given year when bezos and en musk don't pay a nickle in income taxes. large corporations don't pay a nickle. you can pay for a $6 trillion bill and pay for it completely. >> i understand that. a lot of people are wondering,
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hey, why are we waiting this week to start the negotiations when we knew senator manchin's starting number in july? it feels like a lot of time was wasted. >> no, that's not accurate. there has been serious negotiations going on literally for months now. there is a frustration that it has taken this long. i think -- i voted/ñ for the infrastructure bill. i think it's important that we rebuild our roads and bridges and water systems. that's very, very good. but it is absolutely imperative that we have a strong and comprehensive reconciliation bill which finally addresses the needs of working families. our job■ç right now is to rally the american people to continue the negotiations and at the end of the day we'll pass both pieces of legislation. >> i want to talk about the issue of having then both linked together. arizona and every day americans expect lawmakers to consider
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legislation on the merits rather than obstruct new jobs and critical infrastructure investments for no substantive reason. what americans have seen instead is an ineflctive stunt to gain leverage over a separate proposal. she's referring to what happened in the house and the delay of the vote as a stunt. you were very supportive of the decision to hold off supporting that bill until everything was agreed upon. what do you say to senator sinema and other moderates who don't like the linking of these two bills, that it sends a message of dysfunction to the rest of the country? >> it's not a message of dysfunction. i'm sure you remember, from the very beginning of this■ç proces the president of the united states, speaker pelosi, chuck shum more made it clear, we're going down this road in a dual way. both bills have to be linked together, because there is a strong feeling on the part of many of us that, if you just pass the infrastructure bill, which is a good bill. i volted for it -- then we'll
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not get to the bill that working families really want, that finally demands that the wealth yeflt people in this country start paying their fair share of taxes.
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i think the people of arizona are beginning to show up and show some impatience there and saying, senator, join the team here. let's get■ç something done on reconciliation. look, sometimes, chuck, in all due respect, the media thinks this is the red sox playing the yankees. it is not. this is a long and complicated process which is dealing with the most consequential piece of legislation probably since the new deal and the great depression. it's a big deal. it's not going to happen overnight. the president is absolutely right. it doesn't matter whether it's next week or three weeks from now. what matters is that we finally address the problems■ç facing working families. that's what matters. >> i was going to say, deadlines are all artificial in your mind right now? >> of course they are. what matters is that we do it and do it well. when we do both these pieces of legislation, i think the american people are going to say, thank you, mr. president, thank you democrats in the
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congress, and by the way, where the hell were the republicans in not having the guts to stand up to powerful special thefts. >> senator bernie sanders, independent senator■ç from vermt who caucuses with the democrats. appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you very much. joining me now is cedric richmond, senior advisor to president biden. welcome back to plets. i should note as a former member of congress, you obviously know quite a bit about what's going on in the democratic congress as well. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me, chuck. >> let me start with basics here. where are we, and let me■ç ask this way: when the president acknowledged these bills have to be passed together, maybe it wasn't his initial preference, but he's acknowledging the reality now. he also seemed to indicate that the number -- the overall social spending number is going to come down to somewhere between 1.9 and $2.2 trillion.
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is that where we are? >> i'm not exactly sure in terms of the number. we don't talk about it in terms of the number. we talk about it in terms of the needs we need to■ç meet for the people in terms of the child tax credit, in terms of making sure we bring health care costs down in terms of prescription drugs, making sure we make it more affordable. we'll continue to do what we did with the nair khan rescue plan, and that is to make sure we're meeting the needs of the american people. and then at the end of the day, we see what that adds up to here, and in this case we'll see how many of the needs we can build consensus around and meet. >> i'm curious about that■ç philosophically. there was a bit of an divide, i haeshd it referred to as the appetizer strategy meaning this, you try to do a lot of programs and if you can't fund them auz fully as you wanted to, maybe there's shorter term, you create cliffs and see what sticks. another philosophy says do three or four programs really well. what is the philosophy of the
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president? >> we will consult with congress. congress plays a big role in how this will ultimately look. we've been clear from the start that we wanted to cut■ç taxes f over 50 million american families, we wanted to bring down the cost of health care and we wanted to finally address the climate change and make sure we're fighting for our future, and we're going to do that by making sure that the wealthy and big corporations pay their fair share. working families have been doing it for a very long time. >> you're evading obviously specifics here. i get it. you don't want to negotiate in public. but is there some non-start irs here? are there some programs that have to be included no matter whether it's 1.5 trillion or 3.5 trillion? >> no. i won't get into red lines on tv. the president made clear his red line, he was not willing to raise taxes on anyone who made less than $400,000. so that's our red line. we're going to work with congress to make sure we meet
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the challenges. i just went down the list of programs that are very important that we want to meet. we're going to continue to meet with people until■ç we get it done. >> do you think relations with senator sinema are still good faith? i say that because here was her statement yesterday. good faith negotiations, however, require trust. over the course of this year, democratic leaders have made conflicting promises that that could not all be kept and have at times pretended that differences of opinion within our party did not exist even when those disagreements were repeatedly made clear directly and publicly. she has indicated there isn't enough trust■ç in the democrati party. what do you say to her? >> there's an enormous amount of trust in the democratic party, but more importantly, there's a lot of focus on the american families. look, people will be disappointed. people will not get everything they want. that's the art of legislating. the goal is to get both bills. we're going to fight until we
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get both bills. that's the statement from the president. human infrastructure is important, and physical +tu—q going to do both. >> there was -- it was news this week to the public that joe manchin's bottom line was $1.5 trillion. apparently he gave that number to senator schumer in july and apparently to president biden quite a while ago. a lot of progressives, that was news to them on wednesday or thursday. why is that? why did it seem as if they were complaining that, hey, tell us what you want, and it turned outman chin did. so did this■ç unnecessarily del negotiations? >> no. when you ask what do you want, remember, we're not talking about this in terms of a number. we're talking about this in terms of the programs that meet the needs of american people. so when we say what do you want, do you want childer care? do you want elder care? do you want paid leave? do you want to bring down the
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cost of prescription drugs, expand medicaid? do you want to give tax breaks to working families in this country? w$n we say what do you want, that's what we mean. our job is to bring people together, shape this in terms of the needs that we're going to meet, and then we'll see what a price tag is. we'll see where we end up, see how long the programs will be in existence, until they have to be renewed. that's how we're going to approach it. this is not about a number. because at the end of the day, here is what's important, chuck, the number is zero. we are paying for everything in this piece of legislation. it's very■ç popular with the american people that the wealthy and big corporations finally pay their fair share. we're going to pay for everything we do. so it's not arbitrary numbers. the number is zero. >> all right. when is the new deadline? we know congress doesn't act without deadlines. are you going to do the debt ceiling and then get this done? is it by the end of october?
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is it thanksgiving? or is there no deadline? >> unfortunately, chuck, we both know that congrsz works better when there are hard deadlines. but with the debt ceiling, we're going to keep our head down and work, and work on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill all at the same time. we can do it. this administration has been counted out over and over. if we go back to the american rescue plan and others, you'll see it. here is what's important. the real question is why are republicans making us go at everything alone? we had to do the■ç american rese plan alone, which created more jobs than any administration this our history, which has increased our economic growth better than anybody in the last four years. we're going to have to be the mature party, responsible party to keep us from going off the debt cliff and ruining the economy and knocking everybody's retirement down, raising the cost of cars and interest and
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all of those things. why do we have to keep going at it alone. the good news s we do have a■ç united democratic party. politi, and we're going to get it done. >> sounds like after a long september, it may be a long october. cedric richmond, senior adviser to president biden. appreciate you coming on and sharing the administration's perspective. >> thank you. when we come back, will democrats be rewarded if they deliver on both bills? will they lose their gamble and ♪ say it's all right ♪ ♪ say it's all right, it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ now listen to the beat ♪ ♪ kinda pat your feet ♪ ♪ it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ oh, it's all right ♪
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as far as this panel said. both bernie sanders and cedric richmond said this is not about a number.■ç let me ask you, if this is not about a number, why don't we have a deal? >> it's about a number. i think everybody is trying to figure out what the number is, what can fit inside that number and what th% can do. what you're seeing is this is a general piece of legislation. we're next to the pelosi-ologist here. she said everything she's been building up to for 30 years in public office, more than that, is in this legislation. people are taking it seriously. every side is doing■ç what they can. this is like a great example of power pole ticks. every side is doing what they can to gain as much leverage against the other side to achieve the end they're trying to chief. >> susan, speaker pelosi rarely blinks, and the progressives made her blink. >> they made her blink. when you go back to the affordable care act, a
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comparable big victory, the last victory where she faced seemingly really difficult odds, the liberals, the progressives■ blinked on things like the public option. they didn't blink this time. i think there are two reasons. there are more of them, and they're willing to risk getting nothing as opposed to accepting half a loaf. that has changed the political landscape here. >> jeh johnson, i know people hate this phrase, the conventional wisdom. our friends at "the new york times" put it, okay, biden sided with the left. i said this to the white house and the white house would say it %-pgetting a bill passed. they don't accept the idea they sold the moderates out. some view it that way. >> well, let's not forget that the bill the progressives are pushing for is biden's bill. it's his domestic agenda. >> he wrote it, right. >> it's not as if it's some wild-eyed far left socialist piece of legislation. this is joe biden's build back better domestic agenda, and the
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progressives are carrying his water on capitol hill, and they doing it rather effectively right now. i personally believe there's going to be a deal at some point. >> they can't not have a deal. i don't think how they get their deal. >> whether it's 3.5, 2.5, 2.75, who knows? there will be a deal because they can't walk -- none of them can walk away empty-handed. >> peggy, susan brought up health care. i've been thinking about health care. i remember when the deadline was the august recess. then the deadline was the end oç september, then it was thanksgiving, then it was christmas eve. then it was march. we got to the point where the process so dominated that the legislation never had a chance to get sold to the american public. >> yeah. >> at what point do the democrats fall into that trap, with the process consuming the substance? >> i think this -- however long this struggle or disarray or
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whatever it is takes, the worse it ■çlooks. i think these two bills now squished into sort of one initiative, i think with the mess around it and the sense that the progressive caucus and the progressive are in charge, they're driving the face of this. i think in a broadly public way in america, that does not look good and it becomes a little bit poisonous. i think when you move on something as big as 3.5, plus it seems a 1.2 trillion infrastructure bill, it's popular. pass it. take the win. beyond that, you have the
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separate bill. tease out the most popular >> sounds like you may have been eavesdropping on terry mcauliffe's phone calls. at a debate earlier i asked him about the 3.0 price tag. he took the opportunity to take after everybody in congress. take a listen. >> i think the 3.5 is too high. >> do you? >> sure. but here is my message to congress. i'm really sick and tired of all of them. they've got to stop their chiti chat up there■ç and time for th to pass it for america! >> we tease this show about '22. the canary in the coal mine about the democratic party's position in america is in a month. >> i think, listen, it's an easy battering ram to just say congress is bad and everybody will agree with congress being bad and not being able to do this. this is what josh gottheimer and
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the moderates are saying, give this guy a victory. what happens is 95% of the people's business all gets done at the 12th hour. >> this is the issue. there is no second bite at the
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apple. look at the last 30 years, no one has gotten a second bite aá the apple. george w. bush got to do one big thing. obama, i would argue there hasn't been a second bite. >> we're nine months into this administration. a series of smaller bills that you can pass one after another, start giving a sense of momentum. >> which congress can do that. >> i forget which one. >> i forget which one. >> in our lifetime. how about that? >> jake, how does -- is there a new deadline? i heard bernie sanders, no■ç deadline. wep joked about what happened with health care. is the end of the year unreasonable at this point? >> no. i think that's the story we're looking at. i would also say the health care law was passed over ten months. what pelosi is trying to do is she's trying to do is pass this bill -- what congress is trying to do, in a really compressed time period. they really didn't get started until the summer. they're trying to do it in four or five months. that's difficult. i do think it gets done.
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i think it's going to be messy. i would say october 30th or the end@- a deadline because there's highway funding that needs to be refreshed. congress refreshed it on friday night. but they can refresh it again. >> there is a deadline. of course, they can also decide the day of the week never ends. >> yes. i don't buy that. >> a day longer than 24 hours if >> a day longer than 24 hours if necessary. >> a day longer than 24 hours if necessary. today, things can be pretty unexpected. but your customers, they still expect things to be simple. and they want it all personalized. with ibm, you can do both. businesses like insurers can automate it processes across clouds. so agents can spend more time on customer needs. and whatever comes your way, you've got it covered. saving time and improving customer service, that's why so many businesses work, with ibm. life's kinda unpredictable. like when your groceries arrive the moment you remember everything you forgot. [dog barks] or when your kids says...
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for teenager girls. the "wall street journal" reported one slide says we make body issues worse for one in three teen girls. facebook's problems go well beyond what's going on on instagram. "the new york times" reports the same whistle-blower who has been giving research to the "wall street journal" is accusing facebook of easing security safeguards shortly after the election, and it ended up helping to insight the january 6th riot. this whistle-blower will reveal her identity tonight. she's scheduled to testify before congress on tuesday.■ç so joining me for more on all of this is jeff horowitz, one of the "wall street journal" reporters reporting on facebook, and kara swisher co-host of the podcast sway. i should mention, we asked facebook to provide us with a guest, and they declined. jeff, i want to start with this and what we're going to hear tonight and next week from this whistle-blower. but it seems as if, whether it's -- what you've been reporting on on what■ç they didn research of instagram or the
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elite group, sort of the fact that elite facebook users get treated differently than normal facebook users, this is coming from inside of facebook. how under siege are they as a company right now? >> so we have heard they actually have taken pretty much all of their researchers and basically blamed them for this. it's a very weird mentality over there. they have been kind of throwing those people under the bus, the people that they asked to th in the world. that's a very kind of aggressive thing for them. i think the memo that nick clegg sent out internally is kind of remarkable. you're basically telling your own staff that your company can't be blamed for -- as the primary cause, that was the language, for polarization in america and everyone should be proud to work there. nonetheless, this does feel like a pretty remarkable couple of weeks for them internally. >> let me put up a■ç piece of that, kara.
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here is what nick clegg's statement said. the suggestion that is sometimes made that the violent insurrection on january 6 would not have occurred if it was not for social media is so misleading. mature democracies in which social media use is widespread hold elections all the time. for example, germany's election last week without the disfiguring presence of violence. i was jarred by the phrase mature democracies. are we not? >> yes, yes. >> what is facebook trying to■ç do? >> i think they're trying word games. i think he's excellent at it. they should give him a raise. look at the individual words they use. this is typical of facebook. they've done it for a decade now where they use tiny words. no one is accusing them of being the primary reason for polarization. humanity has been awful for centuries now, that kind of thing. what they're doing is saying, we didn't cause hate. i don't think they did. what they're doing■ç is amplifyg and weaponizing it to an
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unprecedented degree. >> jeff, you've been getting all this research from this whistle-blower. there's two ways to look at what facebook is doing. on one end, you can say they're doing the research, that's good. on the other hand, they're not telling us about it. they're going to argue, well, we're doing this research so we can make safer products. are they doing all this research after the fact? it does seem as if they launch a product first, see what the problem is,■ some research to see if they can fix it. is that the problem at facebook? they sort of have this all backwards? >> yeah, that has been for years the standard way, which is you roll it out, hope for the best. if it doesn't work out well, maybe you try to mitigate. at that point you study the product and perhaps see if you can make it better without harming the engagement and growth-related reasons you did it in the first place. if you can't, then you have a conflc]. i think a big reason for why this information has made it to
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me is that even when facebook does discover problems and they are fixable, the company hasn't acted according to a lot of the people who have been assigned to fix these issues. >> how much of a divide do you think is inside of facebook? is this really the executives are out of touch and the rank and file are going, wait a minute, we've been proud of what we were doing, but even we didn't understand the power of it? >> they■ç understand the power it. the employees are tossing documents over the wall to people like jeff. this is what's happening. it's not tenable for a company. this is a company whose employees didn't leak for a long time. you're seeing it all over tech. people are saying, just a minute, what we're doing is damaging. i interviewed marc benioff and he called it cigarettes. it's not cigarettes. it mooib ■çgambling, might be opiates, other things. people inside facebook are
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recognizing this company doesn't anticipate consequences and then tries to clean it up later and not very well. >> jeff, they really hate the tobacco metaphor. trust me, i heard this myself. the idea that -- they just don't accept the premise that social media is harmful. cigarettes, no matter how you look at it is potentially harmful. we all now agree with that. they don't accept that single premise although some of us think■ç maybe we should. >> adam asari kpaerpd it to cars, not cigarettes. i think that's a perfectly good example. this is an industry -- it was a fantastic technology, remartial innovation, and it was not well designed initially. it was very poorly designed, and it took decades and decades of humanity figuring out how to live with it and how to incorporate it and include speed limits and■ç seatbelts and all these other things that kind of make it safer and make it so it's just not a constant
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bloodbath. i think facebook is sort of resisting some of that. one of the things that the person who is going to be speaking tonight will likely be talking about is, they have had to impose break-the-glass measures, emergency safety measures three times in the course of basically six months. right after the election, right before -- right around january õñth -- by the way, in between those two times they lifted them, right? i think that's an indication that this company doesn't have full control of the product. literally within a month they had to reimpose them. and then again, with covid vaccine misinformation in the spring. this does feel like they're having a hard time keeping their product under control, and they seem to not want to slow down. >> kara, on the congress front, we saw■ç richard blumenthal had this weird moment, didn't quite
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know what fin sta meant, a fake instagram account. >> not fake. >> impersonating someone too. >> does congress have the ability to do this? >> there's a lot of legislators who understand the problem. aim klobuchar, ken bach, david cicilline, and even■ç richard blumenthal understands. this is just a silly thing. this trope that congress can't legislate. richard blumenthal is not a car expert and can regulate, or a finance expert. everybody can be ledge slated. clearly facebook is not going to do it and they're going to get defensive which is what they're doing. >> facebook has done something the rest of us have been wondering how do you do it, how do you unite both parties in washington? facebook has done it.■ç care are swisher, jeff horowitz, thank you both. thank you both. when we come back,ile you ma pediatric surgeon volunteering
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welcome back. we are thrilled to announce our streaming show, "meet the press reports" is back for a third season. each week we take a deep dive into a single issue. here is a quick look at some of the topics we've already covered in the first two seasons. >> i did not think i was racist. i thought i saw a truth that no one else did. >> were you racist? >> absolutely. >> do you believe we're at war on the internet right now? >> we have serious infrastructure and water issues in this country. >> how many people are at risk of an■ç encounter with i.c.e.? >> anybody that looks like this is at risk. >> anyone fears a long-term war. >> people that have not had the opportunity to use whatever tools they have to change things now see that, hey, it's an issue that i care about, i can do something about it. >> to kick off season three, we're focusing on climate change
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and the real ways americans' lives are being ■çchanged. my pal kyle perry took us along the colorado river where there's a declaration of a water shortage for the first time ever. here is a bit of his report. >> reporter: this is a visual representation of climate change. we're here at lake meade. just like lake powell, it's at its lowest level ever. as you can see, it's lost 140 feet of water in just 20 years, and the effect that it has on power is profound. the hoover ■çdam, because of the water levels, is currently operating at a quarter reduced capacity. >> talk to me about the importance of power and how the dam is important in that way. >> as the lake goes down, less and less power is generated at the dam. for every foot that the elevation drops, the capacity drops by roughly 5.5 megawatts. >> that means each american ho
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nevada state climate■ç coordinator. >> did you see this coming to this extent. >> this is precisely the kind of thing we've expected all along with respect to climate change. i will say it's visceral. for those of us who worked on this issue for decades, it's sad to see that it's already here. >> that's the point. it's already here. you can see the rest of cal's report own peacock. new episodes debut thursday at 9:00 p.m. eastern time on nbc news now and on peacock the next day. when we come back, top military brass say they advised president biden to keep 2,500 troops in afghanistan.
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welcome back. the other big story this week was the very blunt■ç -- i call a blunt hearing we got from the pentagon leaders on capitol
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hill. and there was some dispute between wealth whether the military advisers, what advice did they give president biden and what did president biden say his military advisers gave. let's give you a little back and forth between what we heard from the president and what we heard from general mckenzie this week on capitol hill. >> your top military advisers withdrawing on this timeline. that wanted you■ç to keep about 2,500. >> no, they didn't. it was split. that wasn't true. >> i recommended that we maintain 2,500 troops in afghanistan. >> the idea that the taliban would take over was premised on the notion that the -- somehow the 300,000 troops we had trained and equipped was going to collapse, was going to give up. i don't think anybody anticipated that. >> i stated consistently that my position was, if you go below 2,500 you're going to look at a collapse of the afghan■ç milita. >> jeh johnson, you worked in the pentagon before you were at
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dhs, worked for secretary gates, you were chief counsel. you know how this building operates. i think the surprising thing to me this week was how public the split -- not a personal split but a policy split on this withdrawal between our military leaders, both civilian and in uniform, and the president. >> well, the difference of opinion is not uncommon. i was a little surprised that■çn their testimony the generals made no attempt to try to reconcile what they believed versus what the president said. i kind of know where it comes from. when anyone is up for confirmation before the senate armed services committee, which includes all the military, there's a questionnaire that they send the witness beforehand, and one of the questions is do you promise that you will always tell us everything we want to know, and the three and four-stars in the building take that ■çvery, very seriously. so they answered the questions very straightforward.
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you saw lloyd, on the other hand, the civilian political appointee say, well, i don't discuss my conversations with the president, which is what he's supposed to say. it's called executive privilege. the generals are like, no, i told him this. >> peggy, there's a part of this we should all view as very healthy, that we can see there's disagreement, civilian control, all of that stuff. the president made this decision.■ç i'm surprised he didn't, in hindsight, own it more there. >> the president looked dodgy. he looked dodgy in the original interview when he said, no, nobody told me otherwise. then he looked bad the other day with general milley. i think probably he should have simply owned it and said, look, i was warned this might be really hard. i decided we're going to go ahead anyway.■ç short, though, i think the generals right now, after 20 years of war, after seeing it
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and whatever they've been through, they are really media savvy. they are really aware of press clippings, really aware of their big hunk of medals. i was looking at general milley and thought of omar bradley, general of the army, a great man that helped win world war ii. they had to remind him to put on his medals. he wanted to keep them self out of things,■ç not in things. there's kind of a showbiz shift in the military that concerns me. >> i want to bring up something else general milley said, guys. there is also an admittance here that this was a fail your. take a listen. >> although the neo was unprecedented and the largest evacuation in history, was a tactical, operational and logistical success, evacuating 124,000 people, the war■ç was a strategic failure. >> we're talking about president biden's credibility versus his military commanders.
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this undermines all the military commanders in the last 20 years, strategic failure. how many people in uniform went up to congress and said, no, it's working, please fund it, it's working. now you tell us a failure. >> i thourt that was chilling, four presidents, four administrations, a series of generals has told us, number one, they understood what whiz going on in afghanistan. clearly they■ç didn't and they lied to the american people about the real true assessment about how things were going. i thought that was the takeaway here. i was glad that they were candid about our failures in afghanistan. i wish they had been candid, the generals that came before them, the last 20 years. >> i was going to say, that's the accountability that's missing. >> it's never as clear when you're in the thick of it, i know from personal experience. it was inevitable that the taliban was going to overrun the path of a two-way deal versus a three-way deal that required the taliban and government to come
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to some terms in power sharing. the taliban used to say, you guys may have the watches, but we have the time. that's exactly what happened. >> jake, is this going to do any long-term zaj for the military to get what they want out of congress? the military always gets what they want out of congress. is that going to change? >> no. the military says we need this and we're not going to be safe unless we get this. >> that happens to work, u■ the way. >> it does work. >> we've got a 20-year war in afghanistan to>i prove it that s fully funded. >> and a 760 billion defense budget. >> speakers of the house and senate majority leaders tend to defer to them. >> it's pretty clear. that's all i have for today. i know you have one more thing to say. i'm too tight on time. we'll read about it next week i bet. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."■ç
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