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>> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. unprecedented. >> i personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant. >> the fbi's mar-a-lago search warrant unsealed, revealing explosive new details. the former president trump at the center of a criminal investigation, alleging mishandling some of america's most sensitive intelligence. >> nobody's above the law. but the law needs to be above politics. >> this morning, the latest on the legal jeopardy, the national security concerns, the new warning from the fbi on increasing threats and the political firestorm. with chief legal analyst dan abrams. former dhs counterterrorism
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chief elizabeth neumann plus, maryland gop governor larry hogan. the house sends the landmark climate and tax bill to president biden's desk, a major win for the white house. as gas prices drop and inflation worries ease. karine jean-pierre joins us on set, her first sunday show interview as white house press secretary. a "this week" exclusive. and -- >> the situation here is only getting worse. >> chief foreign correspondent ian pannell was in afghanistan when the taliban fled in 2001 and when they returned to power last year, now he's back with new reflections from kabul. >> announcer: from abc news, it's "this week." here, now, co-anchor jonathan karl. good morning and welcome to "this week." as we come on the air this morning, new details are emerging about the fbi search of mar-a-lago. abc news has confirmed a "new
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york times" report that when a small team of federal investigators visited donald trump's palm beach home in june the lawyer for the former president claimed that donald trump had turned over all items marked classified. that turned out to be far from the truth. in executing the search war rarnt monday, the fbi seized a treasure drove of government documents allegedly taken from the white house. 27 boxes of material, including 11 sets of classified documents, 4 of them marked "top secret." and one at an even classification, ts/sci, material so damaging, only to be seen by select individuals in a secure location. abc news has also learned that the fbi seized surveillance video including footage around the areas the documents were stored. it all points to gravely serious investigation centered on the former president. for the most part, republicans in congress reacted to the news of the fbi search by
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rallying to donald trump's defense and attacking the finn. a group of house republicans met with him the following day, one of them posting this photo and declaring house conservatives are standing by donald trump. another house republican declared, we must destroy the fbi. kevin mccarthy, the republican leader and quite possibly the next speaker of the house, denounce what he called the, quote, weaponized politicalization of the doj and he threatened the attorney general that republicans will investigate him if they win the house. in cincinnati on thursday, a reminder that rhetoric can have consequences. an armed man wearing body armor attempted to break into the fbi field office, dying in a shootout with federal agents, and now the department of homeland security and the fbi are issuing a joint bulletin to local law enforcement. warning of an unprecedented number of threats against the
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fbi. quote, statements by public officials which incite violence could escalate the threat environment. the mar-a-lago search warrant cited three possible broken laws, including the espionage act and obstruction of justice, republicans have to now decide how far to take their defense of the former president and their attacks on federal law enforcement. we're going to cover all the angles this morning. republican governor larry hogan and white house press secretary karine jean-pierre are here and standing by, but we begin with abc's chief legal analyst dan abrams and former dhs assistant secretary elizabeth neumann. dan, let me start with you. we just don't know if the justice department has decided to pursue criminal charges despite this warrant, but given what you have seen, what we know about the search, how likely is that this would end with no criminal charges against trump or anybody else in his inner circle? >> look, that's still possibly,
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the first question becomes, what were they doing there? was the number one concern, pursuing potential criminal charges, or the number one concern getting the stuff back, and i think when you're talking about evaluating this through a legal prism, the fundamental question is going to be intentionality, how much do they believe they did this on purpose? were they intentionally ignoring subpoenas? were they literally destroying documents or mulating as one of the statute refers to, were they concealing? those are the sort of legal questions that will have to be validated. potentially indicting the former president of the united states you don't just look at the words of the statute, you also have to be thinking about the big picture implications, and so i believe for them to indict the former president they're going to have to believe that this has been ongoing, intentional conduct to flaunt the law.
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>> and the warrant cited three statutes, three laws, how serious are these crimes if he's found to have broken any of those three laws? >> well, oh, they're very serious. the one that's being talked about the most is this espionage act because it has the word "espionage" in it. but the truth is, when it comes to potential criminal sentences, the obstruction of justice statute is the one with the most potential prison time. there you're talking about up to 20 years behind bars. so these are not sort of minor crimes we're talking about here, we're talking about the potential for serious felonies with regard to all three of the crimes being investigated. >> and let me quickly ask you to clarify, we've heard from trump's people that he declassified everything before
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he left office, there's no evidence that that's true, but quickly, would that even matter? >> look, it matters in the court of public opinion, right, in terms of how bad it is that he took these documents, but as a strictly legal matter there's an argument to be made all three of the statutes they're investigating wouldn't require that the documents be classified. but again this goes to intentionality conduct. it goes back to the question of, how bad was it? was it on purpose? and i think there it's kind of relevant in assessing the conduct. but strictly from a legal perspective that's not going to make or break. >> and elizabeth, let's turn to the gunman who attacked the fbi field office in cincinnati. what do we know about him? >> the investigation is the still under way. we know he's 42 years old. we hear from "the washington post, that he's a former navy veteran as well as a member of the florida national guard, and we know that the indications that he may have had ties to proud boys and other extremist movements and the fbi
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was interested in him, they had done several inquiries into him, no specific credible threat, but they attempted to talk to him multiple times and weren't able to. >> and he had an account on donald trump's social media platform, truth social, which was quite active, or at least an account with his name that was quite active before the attack in cincinnati, and the last posting on that account is a haunting one, while the attack was under way, said, if you don't hear from me it's true i tried attacking the fbi. >> that's right, and look, we know that there are a variety of underlining psycho/social factors that leads someone to cross that threshold into violence. but there's no doubt what happened at mar-a-lago this week and really not the action itself of a search warrant being executed, but the way trump framed it, that was a trigger for him. that's what caused him, it
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appears based on these posts -- >> it's the attacks on the fbi by trump's allies, concern about that attack that led him to in turn go after the field office? >> exactly, exactly. >> and there's been some suggestion that he was actually there on january 6th amid the rioters. at the capitol january 6th, is that right? >> that's right. we see in his social media feeds, claiming that he was there and we have examined some photographs that it does appear he was there january 6th. >> talk to me more about what we have seen on his social media postings and what we have seen on truth social generally, even over the weekend, we saw trending topics, #fbicorruption. #defundthefbi. he's not alone, i mean there are a lot of people out there like him. >> that's right. multiple polls have indicated that about a third of adult
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americans believe that political violence may be necessary from time to time. that's a stunning number of people that believe that somehow violence is a way in which to achieve their political aims, we're in the middle of an eight-year uptick of domestic terrorism activity. it's really stunning to me that in the midst of that environment we have republican officials that their rhetoric can incite violence. this is a time for being calm and not speculating and certainly not providing rhetoric that suggests that civil war or taking up arms is necessary. >> we'll see if there's a down tick in that rhetoric following what happened in cincinnati. elizabeth neumann, dan abrams, thank you both very much. donald trump's allies weren't alone in raising questions about the fbi's execution of that search warrant in mar-a-lago. maryland governor larry hogan who's long been donald trump's
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toughest critics within the party, also expressed concerns that the action could divide the country. governor hogan joins us now here in studio. governor, you're no friend of donald trump, that's why when i saw your statement it really stood out, there's immediately following the search. you called for unprecedented transparency and then you said that if the administration couldn't provide overwhelming evidence as a result of all of this, quote, it will only underline faith in democracy and the rule of law, so, now, a few days later, we've seen the warrant has been unsealed, garland has spoken to this, is that enough? >> well, those are -- look, i still believe that transparency was/is critically important and i wasn't one of the people that was just reacting, just defending donald trump, but i understood that without anyone understanding what this was about that it was going to and
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could lead to further division and angry rhetoric from both sides. i was happy that they did come out and unseal the documents on the search. i think it was a step in the right direction, but i think we still have a lot of unanswered questions and we're going to continue until people learn more. one side is going to say that this is just politically motivated and weaponization of the justice department, but it's also very serious charges, about very serious crimes, not charges but they're investigating and they have probable cause to come after him for things that could be really important. >> when you look at that list of items taken, and again it's a general list. first of all, so much of it is classified, but 27 boxes of material, after what they had already turned over, 11 sets of classified documents including this ts/sci, it does look serious. >> any time you're being investigated for espionage and obstruction of justice that's very serious.
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>> this is a former president. unprecedented. >> absolutely unprecedented. >> are you -- how concerned are you about the national security implications of material at that high level of classification being at basically a club, in florida? >> it's obviously a serious concern and i think that's what we have find out more information about, what really -- what are the documents and what are the implications from a national security standpoint. you know, on the one side you could say if the justice department, the fbi and the federal judge believed they should do it it must be pretty serious. on the other hand, in the absence of more transparency, people are going to continue to jump to conclusions. >> and if you look at the way so many republicans have responded, particularly house republicans, you had marjorie taylor greene is now selling merchandise
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saying "defund the fbi." gosar with we must destroy the fbi. even rick scott, a member of the republican leadership in house. >> very concerning to me. outrageous rhetoric. my father, my uncle, two of my cousins were fbi agents. state police work with them every single day, these are dedicated law enforcement officers. it reminds me, first, we had the left talking about defunding the police and attacking police officers, and now the right saying, defund these federal law phones arement officers, it's absurd. it's dangerous. we saw the one incident already. there are threats all over the place and losing faith in our federal law enforcement officers and our justice system is a really serious problem for the country. >> and what about kevin mccarthy, he may be the next speaker of house, and to see him
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come out, we've been trying to get a response from him to now that the warrant has been unsealed, but him talking about the weaponized politicalization of the fbi, i mean of the doj. >> well, again, it's kind of jumping to conclusions without any information which i think was wrong. which is why i was pushing for transparency. if in fact they don't have a serious case on serious, you know, on federal law violations and potential felonies, then it would -- certainly people would make the argument it was all political, why didn't you do this for hillary clinton when she had confidential documents? why aren't people being treated fairly? this week's news isn't going to the same as next month's. or next year's. lot more has to come out. i'd say this week was a win for donald trump. it seemed to motivate his base, people rushing to his defense, feeling as if he was being picked upon and martyred. i don't think we've seen the end of the story yet. >> what do you make of that?
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the house republicans visited him the day after the search, you know posting a photo there, the thumb's up. >> i'm not sure history is going to remember all of them fondly. >> and one of them in the picture, the guy on the right said they should clear the field, donald trump's the guy, he should be the nominee in 2024. >> look, i think no man is above the law, but everybody's innocent until proven guilty, we just have to see where this investigation leads. >> and let me ask you quickly, because you were just in iowa, i want to ask you about the current president, you've been quite critical, you called him a failed president, but we've seen some good economic news, over the past week or so, inflation seems to be waning or a halt in inflation, gas below $4 a gallon.
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big legislative win. do you things turning around for biden? >> i think the biden and the democrats have a monopoly. they're in charge of everything, they have the house, senate and the white house. >> very narrow. >> so whatever happens, they're either going to get credit or get blamed and i think it should be a pretty good year for republicans unless we blow it. >> it's hard to call him a failed president with the legislative achievements. >> he's gotten some things done. he can point to that. but whether or not they're good bills and the inflation reduction act actually reduces or increases is what we're going to have to find out. >> okay, so, as i said you were at the iowa state fair, are you running for president? >> i was eating pork chops and fried food and it was a great time. i got a chance to talk with voters. i'm going to finish my term as governor of maryland until next january. i've been to 10, 12 states in the past few weeks, it's really
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great -- >> doesn't sound like a typical schedule for a governor of maryland unless he has other plans. >> well, i'm definitely going to be a voice and try to get my party back on track. i want to win elections. >> would you run as an independent? >> that's not something i ever considered, no. i can understand why people are talking about that, because they're frustrated with both parties. majority of people are kind of fed up with democrats and republicans and all this angry rhetoric and toxic, divisive politics. >> okay, governor hogan, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, president biden is celebrating the passage of democrats' landmark health care and climate and tax bill. press secretary karine jean-pierre joins us on set for her first sunday show interview. we're be back in 60 seconds. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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this day to come, how long we have fought for it, to reduce the deficit, to lower inflation, to save the planet, and -- every single republican in the house and in the senate voted against it. >> speaker of house nancy pelosi after house democrats passed their sweeping climate and healthcare bill friday following 18 months of tense negotiations. here now tp discuss that and more in her first sunday show interview as white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre. i've had the privilege of having the first interviews with several white house press secretaries, democrat and republican, it's a privilege to have you here. >> thank you so much, jon. >> let me start with the mar-a-lago search, how concern is president biden about the national security implications of such highly classified materials being down there. >> so, as you just stated, i
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can't speak to that, it would be inappropriate to speak on that, because the president has been very clear about this, when it comes to law enforcement matters, investigation the department of justice has complete, complete independence, and he's said that during his campaign, he's said that as president, we don't interfere, we don't get briefed. we don't get involved. >> i understand that you can't talk about the investigation but i'm asking you about the national security implications, as you know top democrats on the intelligence committee are calling on the biden administration to do an assessment of any national security challenges posed by this, is the president concerned? >> again, i cannot -- >> you can't talk -- >> i can't not comment on this. it's an investigation that's currently happening. i hear your question it would be inappropriate for me as the press secretary to comment on this.
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inappropriate for any of us, including the president and anyone within the administration to comment on this. this is a law enforcement matter. >> and it's true, biden, joe biden as a candidate was consistent on this as president, independent justice department, no politicalization, but let me play something that one top republicans in the house had to say. >> donald trump is joe biden's most likely political opponent in 2024. this is less than 100 days from critical midterm elections, the fbi raid of president trump is complete abuse and over-reach of its authority. >> so he ran on not politicizing the doj, he's said that as president, but how concern is he to see this investigation play out in the middle of a campaign at least raising the appearance of a politicized department of justice. >> just to comment on what i just heard, this is not true. this is not something -- let me
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just step back even further, when the president on january 7th, in 2021, when the president nominated merrick garland he was very clear about this -- he said that he believes in the rule of law, merrick garland would not be the president's lawyer, he would not be the vice president's lawyer. this is about the american people and doing what is right for the american people. the department of justice when it comes to law enforcement is independent, this is what we believe and this is what the president has said, this is not about politicizing anything, that's not true at all, and i would remind our folks on the other side that the fbi director was appointed by the president's predecessor -- >> donald trump. >> i would remind the folks on the other side that when merrick garland was indeed confirmed it was a bipartisan fashion. so, again, this is not what this is about, we don't interfere, we
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don't get briefed. the department of justice, again when it comes to law enforcement matters it is independent, complete independence, and i'm not going to comment on that. none of us will because we're going to let merrick garland speak for himself. >> even to this point joe biden hasn't been briefed. >> not been briefed. >> not discussed at all. >> not discussed -- i'm going to tell you, jonathan, we've learned about this the same way the american people have learned about this, through public reports, your reporting and every other reporter who has talked about this. >> let me turn to the domestic agenda, so we saw our poll that came out last sunday, showed that 37% of americans approve of president biden's handling of the economy, 70% say they felt the economy was getting worse. now we have since learned that inflation has abated in july.
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but why is it if things are getting better, why are so many americans unhappy about president's handling of this? >> we get it and we understand what the american people are feeling at this time, this is a number one priority, inflation has been a number one priority for this president. if you look at every day this summer we saw gas prices go down by more than a $1, saving americans about, a little more than 100 bucks a month, that matters, and that's because partly of the work this president has done, you just mentioned how inflation has abated. so that's the work that we'll continue to do, and if you look -- i know we're about to talk about what congress did, what democrats in congress did with this inflation reduction act, the work of this president, this president when he announced back in 2019 he wanted to make
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sure that he had -- he led with his conviction on what's needed for the american people, making sure that we build this economy from the bottom up and the middle out, don't leave anyone behind and you see that anti-inflation bill you see that it's going to lower costs for americans. prescription drugs, energy costs. and let's not forget the 13 million americans on the aca affordable care act, who are now going to continue to see their premiums go down, that's important. >> but let me ask you, it's called the inflation reduction act, but the congressional budget office, which is nonpartisan, said that there would be an impact on inflation this year and barely impact inflation at all next year, isn't it almost orwellian -- >> i appreciate the question, we've actually addressed this with the cbo. the top line number, there's more in there that shows that it
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will have the money -- remember how we're doing this, too, it's making sure that billionaires in corporate america are paying their fair share making sure that the tax code is a little bit more fair, so when you do that, when you put it in its totality, you will see it will bring down the deficit, which will help fight inflation. here's the thing, we have 126 economists, both republicans, democrats who have said it's going to fight inflation. five former secretaries of treasury -- >> so you disagree with the assessment -- >> there's more to do that. it the way republicans did that to make an argument that's false. it's going to fight inflation. it's been proven and said by economists across the board on the republican side and the democrat side. >> before you go, you have seen a lot of democrats, at least
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some democrats in elected office say that joe biden shouldn't run for re-election and it's time for younger, newer leadership. >> he intends to run. he intends to run. >> let me ask you, this was a maw reern dowd column last sunday saying he shouldn't run. usually being a lame-duck weakens you, but in biden's case it could strengthen him. we live in a washington where people too often put power over principle. sao many republicans have behaved grotesque out of the fear that trump will turn on them. the act of leaving could elevate biden, freeing him from typical re-election pressures so his team could do what they really thought was right or political expedience. is it possible if he decides not to run as a lame-duck president he wouldn't be so lame, better for him not to be running for re-election. >> here's the thing with that
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argument, jon, first of all, he intends to run, we're not focused on 2024. we're focused on the moment right now, 2022, this president passed american rescue plan with all democrats, passed a bipartisan infrastructure legislation which people said would not happen. >> he has a lot of legislation. >> the chips act, made in america, manufacturing jobs and let's not forget what we were able to do for veterans, right, whh our obligation,he president believes he has an obligation to president and now you have this anti-inflation bill. that's more legislation, historic legislation than i would argue, many would argue since lbj, that matters. that matters for the american people. >> all right, karine thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you very much for having me. the roundtable is coming up. a year after the chaotic american withdrawal from afghanistan, ian pannell reports from kabul on how life has changed under taliban rule. stay with us. from kabul on how changed under taliban rule. stay with us.
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veteran of the trump justice department, and "washington post" syndicated columnist dana milbank. okay, alex, let me ask you, you're talking to republicans on the hill. it was notable the way they all came out to attack the fbi and the justice department, defend donald trump after the raid on monday. but i haven't heard much since we've seen the warrant, what's going on, where are we going to see kevin mccarthy and the others go? >> look, i think there's a real sense at this point that this wasn't just a political stunt by the justice department, but maybe you don't want to go too far out on the limb defending donald trump before you know the real details of what's going on. at the same time, there's no appetite within the republican
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party to denounce donald trump. i think your interview with governor hogan just now is na whin the rt vealing, one of taking a wait and see approach. what you're seeing across the board from republicans, is differing tones of demands for more information, right, there's the outrage demand for more information, truly the justice department is probably full of it and they need to give it more information, versus larry hogan, more measured and i'd like to have more facts here. >> donna, i mean, obviously, some of this defund the fbi thing is over the top, but, are you concerned about the way the country is divided on something like this? you see these impassioned supporters of donald trump making these allegations about our legal -- about our law enforcement?
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>> what concerns me as you well know is the threats, the threats to law enforcement, yes, the defund the police, now defund the fbi, who's condemning that? when a small minority of democratic lawmakers and others, activists said defund the police, everybody was outraged. how dare you? how dare you threaten the highest order in our country, the fbi, and the republicans are mainly solid. here is it, a country that right now, the violence is out there, the threats were out there, it's time to pull back, it's time to respect the rule of law, it's time to let all of the information, all of the investigations, and as i was flying back home, when you're flying back home you want to cruise, and i'm coming from africa, from kenya, their elections, their last one was
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nullified, and we were preaching over there, be calm, be patient, and here i'm flying back to the turbulence. it's just outrageous, that when i saw republican lawmakers, leaders of their party, out there, basically targeting law enforcement, and the former president, let's start calling him the former presidnt. stop calling him the president, he's the former president is abouting and behaving like a toddler. >> the defeated former president. but sarah, you're a former spokesperson for the office pre-trump, how long, how much longer will the party apparatus, the party leader, leaders, basically defend trump without knowing what is there. >> i don't think that's in question right now. you have to put it in the larger context of the primaries, you know, when donald trump has gone up against mike pence, ted cruz,
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other like leaders, people who want to run for president, it hasn't been a 100% but by and large you have to say that donald trump has won those primaries. you know i think it's interesting, the test should be whether those candidates can win in a general election with general election voters, not just the republican base, but these folks are concerned about the republican base, and the republican base is standing with donald trump. he has solidified his support through the spring and summer undoubtedly and this was icing on that support cake. you're not going to see republicans come out and say, well, this was the straw, i guess we're going to turn against trump. you didn't see it on january 6th and you're not going to see it now. >> the kind of immediate knee-jerk defend him at all costs. >> welcome to partisan politics, jon. think about her e-mails. do democrats now believe that mishandling of classification of material is as serious -- we should think it's serious when
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hillary does it, she had seven top secret e-mails, conversations on her server. she had declassifying authority. we should have thought that was serious. we should think this is serious. >> this is different. >> what democrats will acknowledge in private, they won't say it in public, they won't say that these are equivalent cases. they're not. what democrats will acknowledge it was a mistake to turn a blind eye to the political reasonable tt ory for as long as they did and a lesson that republicans take today. >> bill clinton and metoo stuff recently too. taken that more seriously. >> look, this has been a horrific week in the sense of the threat to the rule of law, i mean republicans with their violent talk, actual violence have lit a bonfire under the rule of law. i think we can talk about motivating donald trump's base, guess what, they were already motivated, but what's happening
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now is they're putting donald trump on the ballot, because of the way the republicans have all come around him, because of the dobbs decision, because of the january 6th hearings, more and more of the midterm elections are looking less likely a referendum on the biden administration but do you want maga back? i think that's the long-term takeaway this week. >> but they are kind of, the war on the truth, you know, i mean, it's deconstructionist, but there's kind of the truth doesn't matter. >> we have reached that point where the truth doesn't matter, i'd argue it started 25 years ago, remember vince foster's so-called murder, but now we're talking about, come on, the fbi had a court-ordered search and it's a raid and the fbi is planting evidence, i mean, we're in the twilight zone.
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>> what about, sarah, this argument that was put forward, one of the president's ally, one of the people designated to deal with the archives on his behalf, that the president had a standing policy that anything he took out of the oval office was declassified. >> anything he touched. >> first of all, legally that's interesting to debate on its own. but set aside the legality of it. let's talk practically, so every time the president went to mar-a-lago, which he went to frequently, no matter how serious the conversation, the topic was, everything became declassified, which meant it could be turned over to the public immediately, i simply don't believe that a u.s. president would do that. >> when he walks out with the nuclear football -- >> but regardless, also the current president can reclassify, so a sitting president has classification/declassification authority, limited by congress. i have heard no serious constitutional argument why that's not valid.
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but, again, it gets into this weed, you thought it was serious when hillary clinton did it on her server, the server was attached to internet, we don't know what these documents were, we don't know who had access to those rooms in mar-a-lago and we don't know what efforts the department of justice made post-subpoena to get the documents. >> i mean, 27 boxes, not all of it classified, obviously, but this after he said, i forgot, this was the stuff i was supposed to turn over, this was a lot of stuff. i didn't know donald trump was a hoarder, what is this? >> when you talk to republicans the last few days, the initial response of sort of shock and defensive around the fbi search at mar-a-lago. but every day, the former president and his legal team, such as it is, have been out there making tsem knretch the bounri of
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credulity. if you're a politician in a competitive race today, or if you're an ambitious politician expected to be in competitive race down the line, again, how far do you want to go out on a limb -- >> now everything in those 15 boxes, whether it's nuclear secrets, whether it's dirt on the president of france, you basically said this is okay, i'm standing with donald trump. the fbi needs to be destroyed, they're declaring war on you, the donald trump supporters. >> also acknowledge if it's not those things you have opened a pandora's box of hunting joe biden's home of hunter biden's cocaine use. >> but, i mean, we may not know, the very nature of this is classified material. >>ener yoe,hank you for they wen't planning to go to
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disneyland, they really had a mission to go and retrieved documents. someone signed, a trump lawyer, signed that everything had been provided back to the government and yet, it wasn't. so why is that this former president is above the law, this an opportunity for us to learn as americans that no one, that no one is above the law. >> do you feel like, donna, we fell into a vortex this past week and we emerged in 2017 again and all the stories are about donald trump. this has to be frustrating to the biden white house, you can't get through him. he's had a string of significant victories. >> i'd say over the last 30 days the president has once again hit his stride and this ability to focus on the long-term, to invest in the american people and to really help ordinary americans, i think that's breaking through, it's going to be slow and like molasses.
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>> this is exactly where the biden folks want to be right now making this election about donald trump, look -- >> not about his string of all the stuff we heard john -- >> that will take some of the air out of complaining about inflation. the string of achievements. but we're seeing an extraordinary thing in the momentum, democrats have gone from minus 2 in generic ballot to plus 1 in a midterm election, this momentum has never gone in that direction back in 1988 when they started counting it. when the incumbent president's party is gaining. they've gotten themselves thanks to donald trump and extreme reaction into a place where they want them to be. >> sarah's right. sarah's right, it's the independents, those swing voters will swing hard for the truth and for our future. >> sarah, you raised the point that trump has dominated these
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primaries, the senate primaries, a number of these house primaries, and it will be a question, how do those candidates do in the fall? >> that's right, when we talk at the house, i still think democrats are going to lose the house, not much argument around that, but things can shift. but the senate is where you're looking at this and thinking, my god, once again, will republicans not win back the senate when it's firmly in their power to do so. in 2020 donald trump lost those two seats in georgia. this time around the trump-endorsed candidates are just looking incredibly weaker than we expected to look, in pennsylvania, in georgia. >> if they don't win the senate, will it be because of donald trump? >> at this point absolutely. you have every bit of momentum on your side, the one thing is gas prices going down, certainly that will help democrats, but that alone in a midterm election, with a president 40% or lower approval rating shouldn't be a losing message for republicans. >> jon, i remember having a conversation with a prominent
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democratic strategist after the 2020 election, they gained seats in the senate, you've had a couple of above, expectations-beating senate campaigns. crow can't run cycle after cycle of republicans nominating -- we're ten years later and it's still happening. i think the point that sarah made about trump, you know he's affecting the cycle in so many ways, right, we should add gubernatorial who are outside the main stream. >> remember, this about election deniers, they've put forward people who don't believe in the credibility of the last election. here's the good news, democrats are reinvigorated. >> donna, unfortunately we're out of time. great roundtable. ian pannell reports from afghanistan, one year after the taliban takeover. after the taliban takeover.
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of the united states. >> that's president biden one year ago this week as american troops rushed to leave afghanistan while the taliban re-took power, and while new intelligence assessment this morning finds that al qaeda hasn't regrouped in the country, despite the presence of the group's top leader who was killed in a cia drone strike last month, the country remains a dangerous place. our chief foreign correspondent ian pannell is on the ground reporting on how life has changed. since the takeover. ian, you were right there in the middle of it all as kabul fell, how does it look a year later? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, i think for many people the worse case scenario has come to pass, on the one hand, the very people that we spent 20 years fighting against are the leaders, you see the taliban riding around the streets in pickup trucks, some of them carrying american-made weapons. tey're also facing an insurgency of their own. you got isis-k, active in the country, suicide bomb attacks targeted assassinations and as
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you were reporting there, we have al qaeda in the country and some other terrorist groups. we spoke the spokesperson for the foreign minister, he said they still don't know if the head of al qaeda, the world's most wanted was killed by that drone strike, was even here in kabul, i made the point to him you can't travel 200 meters, 200 yards without being stopped by the taliban here, it seems impossible they couldn't have known he was this town, but he doesn't deny they have a safe haven here. but he insists they don't represent a threat. i think the biggest change, though, is in terms of economy and women's rights. on the economy, over 90% now lack reliable access to food, and that has gotten significantly worse. 60% rise in food insecurity. but the situation for women and girls is dire. we saw protests here on the streets just in the last 24 hours, 40 women bravely taking to the streets calling for bread, freedom and work, and the
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response from the taliban was to open fire over their heads, we have seen these horrible scenes, women apparently beaten as we have seen in other instances. >> i have seen 900,000 afghans have lost their jobs over the past year, you mentioned it's impoverished country, it's actually worse now? >> reporter: yeah, i think it is, there's discussion that unemployment could reach 40%. that figure is hard to comprehend. a significant portion of the population living on $1.90 a day. many people with absolutely nothing. we've seen food handouts from the world food programme. for many people that's their only form of sustenance. we're seeing programs trying to train women and girls some skills to earn money. a lot of women have to go to work because husbands have lost jobs in this unemployment sweep going on across the country. the biggest concern is hunger, tragic scenes, this maternity
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hospital that was packed with severely malnourished babies, many of them two to three in a bed, and the numbers of people waiting to get in are much greater than the numbers of people admitted and taken care of, and the trend here is much worse because the amount of aid is going down and the demand, the humanitarian crisis is getting worse, jon. >> ian, thank you for that report, and please stay safe over there. we'll be right back. be righ. large out-of-state corporations have set their sights on california.
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