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>> announcer: "this week" with george ste >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. inflation spike. >> many people remain unsettled about the economy. they see higher prices. when they go to the store and go online, they can't find what they always want. >> president biden promises to bring those prices down, as the next battle for his economic agenda begins. >> the american people basically
said last tuesday, stop. enough is enough. >> let's move along and get this thing done so that we can move onto other important issues. >> this morning, tough marks for the administration in our brand-new abc news/"washington post" poll. we'll take it top economic adviser brian deese and the gop response from conference chair senator john barrasso. abc news exclusive. >> i still like him, but i don't know that i can forgive him. former president trump unloads on mike pence. as the justice department indicts his ally steve bannon for contempt of congress. exclusive new reporting from chief washington correspondent jonathan karl, plus analysis from our roundtable. and -- >> first, a little news. >> "this week" celebrates our 40th anniversary. >> we have a new sunday program for you which we hope you will find useful. >> a look back at four decades of news-making moments. ♪
>> announcer: from abc news this is a special edition of "this week" celebrating 40 hehapo good morning, and welcome to "this week." we're coming on the air this morning with a brand-new poll, and it's brutal for president biden. his approval rating has hit a new low. only 41% of americans think he's doing a good job in office. 53% disapprove. 70% believe the economy is in bad shape, and with inflation at a three-decade high, only 39% approve of biden's handling of the economy. looking ahead to the midterm elections, republicans have a ten-point lead among registered voters. their largest lead ever in the 40-year history of our poll. one bright smot for the president his core policies are popular. 63% support the trillion-dollar infrastructure bill he's going to sign into law tomorrow, and
58% support the $2 trillion social/climate initiative he's pushing for right now. we begin this morning with the head of the national economic council at the white house, brian deese. thank you for joining us this morning. let's begin with inflation. it's pretty clear those inflation numbers are driving discontent with the economy. what, if anything, can the president do about it? >> well, inflation is high, and it's affecting americans in their pocketbook and their outlook, but that concern actually underscores why it's so important to move forward on the build back better bill that congress is considering. you know, this bill is actually going to address the core cost that american families are facing, in child care, in housing, in health care. we'll cut the cost of child care by more than half for most working families. it will build new housing all around the country to let people find new opportunities, to find jobs, and live in an affordable way, and do it all while being fully paid for. this is important. far from adding to inflation concerns, this bill will do the opposite. because it's fully paid for, it
doesn't add aggregate demand to the economy. it makes these investments by offsetting them by increasing taxes on wealthy individuals and it will reduce the deficit over the long-term. we have a fully paid for plan to go directly at the cost that typical americans are facing, increase the productive capacity of our economy. this is what americans are looking for. they're looking for us to deliver on things that are the -- that matter most to their lives. >> it's going to take awhile for the benefits to kick in. so what can americans expect in the short-term? is inflation going to get worse before it gets better? is there anything president biden can do in the short-term? >> we're focused on how to address this in the short-term and the medium term, george. in the short-term, number one, we have to finish the job on covid. we know that the more that people feel comfortable getting out into the economy, going to movies, rather than buying a television at home, working in the workplace, the more we can return a sense of normalcy to our economy.
getting those shots out for 5 to 11-year-olds is going to provide a lot of comfort to american families who are making a lot of progress on that front. getting more workplaces covid-free is going to make more americans comfortable getting back into the labor market as well. the second thing we can do right now is focus on the supply chain issues. you know, right now the american economy is moving more goods through the economy than we ever have, but that's creating some challenges. we're working with the ports and l.a. and long beach getting them to go 24/7, and getting right to work in implementing this historic infrastructure bill. on monday, the president will sign this bill into law. it's the first time that a president is actually delivering on a bipartisan infrastructure bill, and while a number of those pieces will be longer term, there are things that will go into effect to help upgrade our ports, upgrade our airports, upgrade our roads, and we'll work without delay to get that money working for the american people.
>> our next guest is senator john barrasso and he's expressed a view of a 45 jarty of republicans think this is going to fuel inflation. he calls it a socialist agenda and a socialist budget. your response? >> it's quite the opposite. look, every serious economist that has looked at this proposal has said that it will not add to long-term inflationary pressure. 17 nobel prize winners and economists said the same. and the reason is, it's paid for. we haven't fully paid for a bill in washington for some time. senator barrasso and his colleagues in the prior administration passed $2 trillion in tax cuts fully unpaid for added to the deficit. here, what we're doing is making smart long-term investments, but offsetting those with tax increases. when you do that, it's fully paid for, and you actually reduce the deficit. you don't impact inflation up. increase the capacity of our economy. you get more people to work by
providing affordable child care and affordable care for an elderly parent. that's what this will do -- >> you say it's fully paid for, but the congressional budget office still hasn't weighed in and certified that it is actually fully paid for. you've got several moderates in both the house and the senate, democrats who say they're not going to vote for the bill until they are confident the cbo says it is fully paid for. are you confident the cbo is going to write back your judgment? >> we're confident this bill as it moves through the process is going to be fully paid for and not only that, it's going to reduce deficits over the long-term. we've already seen the independent joint committee on taxation as well as the treasury department, look at the tax components of this bill and say, not only are they enough to offset the investments in this package, but actually over the long-term, they will reduce the deficit by trillions of dollars because we're making permanent changes to the tax code. we're actually going to address the fact that right now profitable companies in america can pay nothing in taxes.
we're going to put a minimum tax in place, 15%, that all corporations have to pay. we're going to address the fact that today there is an affirmative incentive for companies to move profits and production overseas to find lower tax opportunities. by creating a global tax code, we're not only generate profit to invest in child care and preschool, we're going to encourage more investment here in the united states. when you do that for the long-term, you generate revenue that will reduce deficits across time. we're confident we'll get that done, and frankly it's been some time in washington since we've done something that's fiscally responsible. this is the process. we write a bill. they pass judgment which they have publicly. the congressional budget office will provide additional information this week and we'll get that through the house. >> it's not just republicans concerned. democratic senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, the key votes.
joe manchin suggests that this bill should be put off until next year because of those concerns. you're hoping for a vote this week. is that still going to happen? what are the consequences of moving it into next year? >> we're confident that this bill is going to come up in the house this week and it will get a vote. it will pass and it will move onto the senate, and those concerns, which we understand and we share, those concerns actually underscore why we need to move out on this bill. we want to improve the productive capacity of our economy that will reduce price pressures. and we want to get people to work to reduce price pressures. the provisions in this bill have strong support of independent experts. you look at something like universal preschool. you know, george, economists have said for decades that there's no single investment that could do more than investing in universal preschool. this bill would do that. child care, we know that 2
million woman have had to come out of the workforce as a result of covid and this pandemic by providing affordable child care, affordable elder care, we're going to help get those people back into the workforce which will reduce price pressures while also reducing the practical cost that americans face. that's what this bill will do. that's the case we're going to make, and that's the case why delivering right now for the american people is the right thing to do. >> brian deese, thanks for your time this morning. >> thanks, george. let's get the gop response now from john barrasso. senator, thank you for joining us this more. you heard brian deese. he said it's paid for. and it's not going to increase inflation. >> well, first, happy anniversary. i started watching with david brinkley and continue to watch today. in response to what the president's adviser said here, look, the american people have given this president failing grades across the board on his first quarter report card failing because of high costs
and prices. failing because of an over-run border, failing because of the tragedy in the failure in afghanistan. so only one in five americans think the country is heading in the right direction. no matter what bill the president happens to sign tomorrow, that's not going to change the failing grades. the problem is the democrats are now saying we want to go all in with this massive tax and spending bill which is going to harm american families. people are going to pay higher prices. there are going to be higher taxes and of course, we're going to see an increase in the debt. so republicans are heading in the right direction. the democrats are full speed ahead against the ideas of what the american people want, and even jason furman, who was president obama's economic adviser, he said what they're proposing here will add to inflation in 2022. >> the tax increases are almost solely to millionaires and the
white house says that the nobel laureates believe it will not increase inflation. what evidence do you have that it will? >> well, there are a couple of things, and let's start with -- this is not really just $2 trillion. i think it's much closer to $4 trillion because what the democrats have added in after their election losses has been tax breaks for millionaires. this is not just me saying it. the experts are saying with what is in this bill, and americans, the more they find out about it, the less they like it. specifically all the new irs agents who are going to be hired, an army of irs agents to do more audits. the experts are telling us that 30% of middle class americans will end up paying higher taxes and what nancy pelosi has shoved in, the special tax breaks for millionaires in california, new york, new jersey, that is actually going to give a tax break to two-thirds of the
millionaires in america. the reason i think prices are going to go way up is because of some of the things that they have put into the bill on energy and on climate which are going to raise energy costs considerably in the year ahead at a time when the american people are already paying sky high prices to heat their homes, to drive their cars, to buy groceries and inflation as we know hurts the most vulnerable. who gets hurt with inflation? it's the poor people, people living on a fixed income. it's the elderly. it's all of these folks struggling to get by. i would have never believed that joe biden in just ten months in the presidency could bring us to a 30-year high of inflation. >> let's talk about the infrastructure bill he's going to sign into law tomorrow. bipartisan infrastructure bill. the white house has put out a fact sheet showing the benefits to your state of wyoming. i want to show it to our audience right now. they say $1.8 billion for highways, $225 million for bridge replacement and repairs. $100 million for broadband. $335 million for water infrastructure, and $72 million for airports.
why did you vote against a bill that provides so many benefits to your state? >> well, you know, i was one of the original negotiators at the white house with president biden, and ultimately i voted against it because they did use a lot of budget gimmicks and they are adding $256 billion to the debt, and some of the issues in there in terms of energy i think is going to make energy even more expensive, and i think it's going to make the grid less reliable. then of course, the big thing is they handcuffed this infrastructure bill to this big, massive tax and spending bill which every republican is united in our efforts to drive a stake through the heart of this effort which the democrats are pushing because they are so addicted to taxing and spending. >> finally, i want to ask you about president trump. as you know, jon karl, our chief washington correspondent had an interview
with president -- former trump that jon karl released this week where the president seems to defend those who were saying hang mike pence on january 6th. i want to show it. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his safety? >> no. i thought he was well-protected and i had heard he was in good shape. >> because you heard those chants. that was terrible. i mean, you know, those -- >> he could have -- well, the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang him. >> because it's common sense. how can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> so he says, hang mike pence is common sense. can your party tolerate a leader who defends murderous chants against his own vice president? >> well -- well, let me just say the republican party is incredibly united right now and it's because of the policies of this administration, and i think the more that the democrats and the press becomes obsessed with president trump, i think the better it is for the republican party. president trump brings lots of energy to the party. he's an enduring force.
elections are about the future, not the past, and that's what we saw in virginia and all across the country, and the republican policies and the trump policies of a strong economy and american energy, not begging vladimir putin to produce more oil which is what joe biden is doing, those are policies that we're going to continue to run on in the future. >> so you have no problem with the president saying hang mike pence is common sense? >> i was with mike pence in the senate chamber during january 6th, and what happened was they quickly got vice president pence out of there, certainly a lot faster than they removed the senators. i believed he was safe the whole time. i didn't hear any of those chants. i don't believe that he did either, and vice president pence came back into the chamber that night and certified the election. >> well, we just played the chants. i'm asking you if you believe -- if you can tolerate the president saying hang mike pence is common sense.
>> it's not common sense. there are issues of every election. i voted to certify the election, and what we have seen on this election, there are areas that needed to be looked into like what we saw in pennsylvania. we all want fair and free elections. that's where we need to go for the future. >> but you're not going to criticize president trump for those views? >> i don't agree with president trump on everything. i agree with him on the policies that have brought us the best economy in my lifetime, and i'm going to continue to support those policies and continuing to work to stop what joe biden is doing to this country, which i believe is almost irreversibly bad. >> senator barrasso, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. jon karl is next. we'll be right back.
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i can tell that you we parted amicably at the end of the administration. >> that is the latest take from mike pence on the january 6th insurrection and his relationship with donald trump. a take somewhat at odds with jon carnell's reporting in his new book "betrayal." here's an exclusive look at new details of the pressure campaign against pence and the former president's take on what his vice president was facing that day. >> reporter: two days before that fateful moment on january 6th, when mike pence defied president trump for the one and only time as vice president, pence sounded for a moment like he might just join trump's efforts to overturn the election. >> i share the concern of millions of americans about voting irregularities and i promise you come this wednesday, we'll have our day in congress. >> reporter: that was at a campaign rally on january 4th, and the crowd loved it. for several days, pence had been
facing even more pressure than previously known to use his role as the presiding officer on january 6th to single handedly overturn the election. as reported for the first time in "betrayal: the final act of the trump show," white house chief of staff mark meadows played a pivotal role in the pressure campaign on pence sending his top aide an email on new year's eve outlining the scheme. written by the trump campaign lawyer jenna ellis asking to send back electoral votes by six states won by joe biden, and putting the outcome in the hands of the republican-controlled house. the next day, trump's fierce aide johnny mcatee sent another email titled, jefferson used his position as vp to win. it was historically wrong, but his message was clear. jefferson did it and pence must do the same. during a series of meetings over the coming days, trump tried to turn the screws on pence. on the evening of january 4th,
he went public with his demand. >> i hope mike pence comes through for us. he's a great guy. plus, if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. >> reporter: it had been reported back in january by "the new york times" that trump even pressured pence on the morning of january 6th with a crude phone call. when i interviewed trump for "betrayal," i asked him about that. >> there was a report -- excuse my language. not mine. it was in the report that you talked to him that morning and you said, you can be a patriot or you can be a [ bleep ]. did you really say that or is that incorrect? >> i wouldn't dispute it. >> really? >> i wouldn't dispute it. >> reporter: and when he stepped on the stage at his rally just before his supporters stormed the capitol, trump directed the anger toward pence. >> if mike pence does the right
thing, we win the election. if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> reporter: pence did the right thing. he defied trump when it mattered most, igniting the fury of the rioters. [ chanting ] >> reporter: one of the many unbelievable things about that day is as the capitol was evacuated and rioters called for pence's death, trump never bothered to check on his safety. i asked the former president about that. rather than condemning the chants to hang his vice president, trump seemed to justify them. >> were you worried about him during that siege? were you worried about his safety? >> no, i thought he was well-protected. i had heard that the he was good shape. >> because you heard the chants. tht was terrible. >> he could have -- well, the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> because it's common sense. how can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> reporter: he went on to talk at length about how it was, quote, common sense that pence should have acted to overturn the election. >> if pence did what you wanted, do you think you would still be in the white house? >> i think we would have won, yeah. >> can you ever forgive him for
this? >> i don't know because i picked him. i like him. i still like him, but i don't know that i can forgive him. >> reporter: angry and bitter in defeat, this is what trump said when i asked him about his list of potential running mates if he were to run again. >> i mean, i assume pence is no longer on that list. >> well, i didn't say that. >> i can assume that. can't i? >> he did the wrong thing. very nice man. i like him a lot. >> yeah. >> i like his family so much, but he did -- he did -- it was a terrible, a tragic mistake. >> reporter: there's no response to any of this from mike pence yet, but george, the real question is the one that you asked just now of senator barrasso, to republican leaders and to republican rank and file of voters, as donald trump is very clearly suggesting that he is planning to run or at least strongly considering running for president again. can those republicans support somebody who defended rioters calling for the execution of his
former vice president? that's the question for every republican leader now. >> well, you say senator barrasso certainly didn't want to criticize it. meantime, you report d on mark meadows, and he's caught up in the executive privilege fight. mark meadows could now be facing the same fate as steve bannon being held in contempt of congress. >> the committee sure suggested they are going to consider holding him in contempt. i'm sure meadows is watching very closely what happens to bannon, but this is a very important document, george. on new year's eve, it is from -- from meadows himself forwarded to mike pence's chief of staff and it outlines in very clear detail what should be done on january 6th to effectively overturn the election, to effectively have a coup. this is mark meadows forwarding a memo not from an outside lawyer, but from a lawyer from the campaign, jenna ellis. >> thank you very much.
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bannon and now meadows appear to believe that they're above the law, that the law doesn't apply to them. that's not the case, and i'm glad that the department of justice reviewed the facts and the law. >> there's a different standard of justice in this country. these agencies are almost becoming the enforcement arms of the democrat party. that is not a good position to be in for a country that's supposed to be dedicated to the rule of law. >> steve bannon indicted for contempt of congress this week. is mark meadows next? let's bring in chris christie. he's also out with a new book this week called "republican rescue." we have donna brazile, and heidi heitkamp. and we have the host of the podcast "the argument." donna, let's begin with our new poll, and political wins facing
president biden right now. highest disapproval of his presidency, 70% of the country discontented with the economy right now. you heard john barrasso talk about the number of americans thinking how we're on the wrong track. >> when i looked at a poll, i thought what a young donna would do. that was clearly to go back home and go to sleep and wait for it to be over with. but you know what, i hope this is exactly what we need in the biden/harris presidency. 359 days before the midterm. this president has had to deal with multiple crises over the last nine months. he's handled some very well, and some not so well. american people are tired and frustrated. people don't like to hear about a bill helping the working class, the middle class, working families. it's now a social spending family, a reconciliation bill
and it goes like this -- right over their heads. i'm not as alarmed about this poll. what i'm alarmed about is that democrats are going to look at this and go back to work tomorrow morning and still haggle over the details of helping ordinary citizens get back on their feet. >> and chris, as i said at the top of the program, one of the bright spots in the poll for the president is the policies, they are popular, majority support. >> here's the problem for him though. is the next election is always the most important election. the midterms in 2022, right now the democrats went from plus 12 among independents in 2018 to minus 18 among independents in our poll, and no matter what anybody wants to talk about, we learned in 2018 and in 2020, it's those independents that determine the swing elections. they're not going to determine them in the deep blue or deep red districts, but in the swing
votes, swing states, the independents determine who's going to win. they elected joe biden in 2020, and right now the democrats are deeply underwater with those independents, and i think it's because, george, he is not governing as he campaigned. he campaigned to be a uniter, a moderator, normalcy, and yet, he's gone way left and the voters -- >> the bipartisan infrastructure bill he's signing into law tomorrow. >> look. i think that's, you know, and i, you know, 19 republicans supported in the senate. that's a good thing, but the fact is his rhetoric and most of his actions have been to the left and the voters are responding to that. >> heidi, chris christie talks about the independents. one of the big alarm bells for democrats in this poll are a ten-point margin for republicans looking ahead to those midterms. >> first time ever in the history of your poll. why should this surprise anyone? we've spent nine months beating up on each other, and you saw it again this morning. you have somebody on to talk about the policies which are popular of this administration, and then it's blah blah blah, economics this, and economics that. guess what i would have asked john barrasso? why do you think health care is not a problem?
why do you think day care is not a problem? why do you think that people are -- feel overwhelmed when they have children and they're trying to earn a living, and why are you opposed to helping those families? when we can start recognizing that the true challenge that we have is drawing the distinction between democrats and republicans, and what we're going to do for working families and what they refuse to do for working families. >> you don't think that's what the white house has been doing? >> no. i think that they talk about this number and that number, and this economics. if i had been out there today, i would have said, look. the biggest driver of inflation right now is energy costs. this is what we're going to do to lower energy costs today. you asked a very important question which was, what are you going to do today to solve this problem, and a lot of it was blah blah blah. we're going to cure covid. well, yeah. you have to do that, but why not open up the strategic reserves today and lower oil prices? why not do the things that are immediate today that people say, yeah, they got it. >> inflation clearly is a
problem, but overall the economy is doing pretty well, which seems at odds with 70% being discontented. >> i think the economy doing well for whom is the real question. we saw this under the trump administration, and we saw this before where the stock market will reach record highs and you see people out in the streets who are, like, the stock market means nothing to me if i can't make it or if i can't make it as a single mom or things are really expensive. let's keep in mind that we are still in the midst of a pandemic, and i think that that also influences how you're thinking about spending. we're going to see rising covid numbers as winter comes, as we saw last year, and so i think that what the economy looks like, and we saw this under trump as well. i remember back in 2015/2016 when trump saw the connection between how he thought about the stock market and how he thought about the economy, those aren't the same thing for a lot of people. >> don't workers have more leverage?
>> which is why they're walking away from their jobs which i think is something we haven't spent a lot of time talking about because i think that when the left talks about labor movements, people for some reason tune out, but we've seen massive strikes of the john deere, and businesses across the country. people are saying this is the time to take a stand, and we have to ask, why are they doing it? why are workers deciding when this is the time they can, one, find something better, and what they have right now isn't working for them? >> chris, one of the things the white house is counting on is the bipartisan infrastructure bill takes hold, and if they are able to pass the build back better, the economy will show better across the board by the midterms. >> let me give you a couple of examples of what normal people really care about. they go to the gas station, and as much as the biden administration is against fossil fuels until further notice we're going to be using them, and they don't want to expose themselves on the far left green flank, and so they don't want to do that because that would be encouraging fossil fuels god
forbid, and they go to the gas station and the prices are way too high. my wife just told me she walked into the supermarket and she picked up a big pack of toilet paper and she said, do you know how much this costs me today? $29. >> did you go to costco? >> she wasn't at costco. she was at the supermarket. here's the thing. normal people who go out there and they say they're paying $29 for that. guess who they're blaming? they're blaming joe biden. >> it's those supply chain issues. >> inflation has been going up for the last three years. i go to safeway -- >> come on, donna. not 60%. >> look, you've got to be smart when you go out and shop today, okay? whether you're looking for jiffy cornbread which used to be 3 for $1, and it went up to 87 cents, or if you are buying gas, and if you are in the inner city, it's 10 cents more. >> is that the democratic slogan? we're going to raise your prices, but be smart about it to
be a little bit less? >> you mentioned -- i'm just telling you my experience with shopping. you've got to be a smart shopper. my mom had nine children and she always said, you have to make groceries. the bottom line is tomorrow joe biden will sign a very historic piece of legislation. i pray and hope that in addition to giving a pen to chuck and and nancy and manchin that he'll give it to bill cassidy and those 13 republicans in the house that are facing death threats because they want to fix their roads and bridges and they want broadband for their kids. >> there is an emergency the democratic party has right now, and that's to respond to it. you talk about supply chains, that's something that started with tariffs. it started with horrible tax and trade policies of the past administration, but you have to deal with it today, and a lot of these costs are driven by high energy costs. you know, when you transport a bundle of toilet paper, it costs a lot of money when gas prices and oil prices and diesel prices are increased. it's going to take awhile to transition. you've got to say something
today that people nod their head and say, yep. you get it. you understand my problem. >> the problem with that i would argue though is that a lot of the tariff messaging from the trump administration biden has kept on because regrettably the tariffs that are causing the supply chain issue, they sound amazing. doesn't it sound great we're going to focus on american industry? you hear that from kind of the populist ring of the republican party and the problem is that's how you get here. >> and they're finding out that this global economy has actually reduced consumer prices and when you disrupt the global economy, you increase consumer prices. >> i want to turn to the january 6th committee. donna mentioned those threats of violence against the republicans who voted for the president's infrastructure bill. how big a problem is this now for the republican party as we have this executive privilege fight, and steve bannon held in contempt?
>> it's up to the leaders of the party to choose how big a problem they want to make it. i don't think it's radical for republicans to say that we should not be in favor for saying it's common sense for saying hang the vice president of the united states. i'm openly disagreeing, george, and i think it's the wrong thing to do. look. we've got to decide as a republican party, are we going to talk about tomorrow or are we going to talk about the challenges that heidi is raising here very aptly or are we going to continue to look backwards? we can't continue to do that if we want to be a winning party. the fact is, and president trump can't continue to be a strong influence on the broad part of this party if a year from now he's still talking about 2020. >> but he will be. he will be talking about it. >> that's fine, and i didn't say he wouldn't be. what i said was he is not going to be a continuing influence on the broad part of this party. >> you think it won't work over time for the president. >> it will not work for him over time, george, because the american people move on.
they can't buy gasoline. why isn't he talking about that? why isn't he talking about the $29 toilet paper? why isn't he talking about the failures of the administration? then he could be a positive influence on the debate going forward, but all he wants to do is talk about himself and go backwards. that's why i don't want to talk about. i want to talk about the stuff that heidi and donna are gallantly trying to defend and deflect this morning. >> even if donald trump doesn't want to move on, and i saw a great joke on twitter which is something rare to see, saying, it's really too bad that republicans can't run generic republican in 2022 and 2024. what they're going to run is someone who's going to pay not only just to donald trump. >> that's your wish. that's your wish, but it's not necessarily going to be the truth. >> isn't that your wish? >> no, it's not my wish. >> don't we have dueling wishes?
>> it's not my wish, and we're seeing what we saw in virginia and what we saw in new jersey. two candidates affirmatively said we don't want donald trump to come here and campaign for us. they affirmatively said it. now, if i told you that a year ago, nobody would have believed me and everybody wants instant gratification in this society. it's been nine months. >> chris, the republican party can't quit trump. he brought our base working class white people to your party. you saw barrasso try to parse that. well, we got to move to future but you know, we really appreciate the president. hello? come on. you can't quit him because he brings too many people to the party. >> let's bring it back to ground zero. tomorrow morning, mr. bannon is going to be marching to court. he's indicted, and i hope it sends a message to mr. meadows and others who are trying to not cooperate with the january 6th committee. that's number one. number two, chris, i have been waiting for a long time to say this to you.
i studied this. after the cold war, we've seen over 42 million new jobs created. 40 million under democrats. democrats deliver. we deliver on the economy, for the working class, for the middle class, for the poor, and republicans complain. we're about to spend $8 trillion over the next ten years on the military. $8 trillion. no one is arguing, heidi, about how to pay for. instead we're arguing about pre-k and universal health care. >> donna, my concern about what you just said is it's all true. why do working class people not like us? that's the challenge. the challenge is you deliver and say, look what we've done. we are bad at messaging and we are bad at focusing on who is the opposition. it's not people with different opinions in our own party. it's the opposition party and i won't call them the enemy, but it's the opposition party. it's talking about day care and
why john barrasso doesn't want families to have reduced day care costs. >> listen, donna, they have delivered 6% inflation, disgrace in afghanistan, a poor border in the south, and if you want to know why working people don't like you, that's why. >> 7 million jobs this year. gdp at 5%. i understand. you don't want to talk about the fact that democrats believe in helping everyday ordinary people. chris, look, i don't care what you say. >> i know they believe that, donna, but working people don't believe it. >> that is the last word right now. we'll be right back. for 40 years, two generations of americans have been enjoying "this week." two generations more, 2061, i can hardly wait. congratulations to everybody at "this week." >> 40 years, george, and a program begun by david brinkley with george will, and of course, cokie roberts.
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broadcast of "this week" 40 years ago, november 15th, 1981. we're proud to carry on the mission launched by david brinkley. here's a look back at four decades of "this week." >> announcer: from abc news in washington, "this week" with david brinkley. >> good morning. we're glad to have you with us. we have a new sunday program for you which we hope you will find useful. >> the show itself is supposed to be a forum, and what "this week" has always been, is a forum for civic civil debate based on facts to hold public figures accountable, hold politicians and administration officials, members of congress accountable for the decisions they're making every day in our name. you were against the individual mandate during the campaign? >> yeah. >> under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, how is that not a tax? >> hold on a second, george. >> you do have some explaining to do if the polls mean anything. >> i sure do. >> is it possible that you could have affected the policy if you had spoken up sooner instead of just going along?
>> the very specific answer is yes, we could have. >> we all get a chance to ask the tough questions of candidates, to ask the tough questions of policymakers in our country. >> the president of the united states is accusing the former president of wiretapping him. >> i think that this is, again, something that if this happened, martha -- >> if, if, if, if. >> we put the key questions, the central questions to the candidates themselves and to the people behind the candidates. >> could you be taken seriously as a presidential candidate? >> well, i think i've built a great, great company. >> let me ask you more about the draft business because people are talking about that. >> on the tax pledge, would you take it again? >> those of us who live and work in washington are always being accused of being too inside the beltway, but on this program, we've tried to set our sights beyond the potomac. >> we've held this from multiple places around the world.
>> i'm martha raddatz here in baghdad. >> cairo. >> at the site of the sochi olympics. >> we're here at the historic governor's mansion in des moines. >> we join you this morning from boulder, colorado, after spending the week on a cross-country road trip speaking with voters across the nation. >> i hear people talk all the time about, i don't know why this person is a better candidate than the other person, and i think that's a role "this week" plays so well. >> as the program took shape, so eventually did our sunday morning family. >> there were three people, and each of us is quite different. donaldson has made a reputation for himself by being an aggressive reporter which he is. some of his questions i wouldn't want to ask, but i don't mind hearing the answers. >> i get to answer the questions. you can give whatever answer you want. do you want to ban abortion? >> he's extremely bright and quite conservative, and you can always count on him for some kind of thoughtful point of view about whatever the topic is.
>> it's the annotations. >> i can give dramatic readings. >> instruction. >> oh my gosh. cokie roberts is irreplaceable. she brought such a wealth of knowledge. >> here on our new set, a new program, a lot of familiar faces. >> it looks new, but folks, it's kind of old in a way too. >> particularly when cokie was on the anchor desk, as a woman, she could ask different kinds of questions and bring back to the viewers. >> normalize is a bold term. what's your definition of the term? >> i don't know. >> i think most women have a -- know it when they see it, senator. >> the role of the anchor of "this week" is to encapsulate what has just happened. what has dominated the week and what is going to be driving the following week. >> it is a huge responsibility, and i think about it every day when i come in to not only prepare for the show, but to sit in that anchor chair and hopefully ask the questions that
our viewers need to hear. >> having the chance to follow in the footsteps of david brinkley is just such a privilege and he set the standard. i actually had three first appearances on "this week." the first one was in july of 1992 during the clinton campaign where i was grilled by sam donaldson and george wall. >> without perot in the race, as it did to your strategists when you thought it might be a three-man race. >> it looks better than ever. >> then in 1997, i joined "this week" as an analyst, and i was a friendly sparring partner with bill kristol. >> thank you. >> i feel like you have been left out of this discussion with george joining us. we're really glad you're here. >> thank you. >> and in 2002, i took over the anchor chair, and i was very grateful to my daughter elliott. she came early so that i was able to anchor that week. >> welcome to our program, and our first guest, the president's national security adviser, dr. condoleezza rice. >> we'll be back shortly with our free for all discussion here in the studio.
>> the roundtable has played a central role in "this week." >> welcome to our roundtable. >> thank you, sam. >> we're glad to have you. >> that might be the last kind word anyone says to you these days. >> more than you expect. >> providing analysis. >> i have a simple question for each of you, very, very simple. why? >> how would you characterize president clinton's start? do you need these polls? >> i don't like to read polls in the morning without wine. >> wine in the morning? >> i'm from louisiana. >> the roundtable is almost always unpredictable which is why i believe it is always must-see television. >> i feel like i have lost control of this. >> there are probably dozens of people in dallas alone who don't read your magazine. >> i don't like the way this conversation is going. >> back in the wrong direction. i have a great achievement. >> my poit is -- >> you can't make the last point because we're out of time. >> we're going to sit here and talk. >> now more than ever, we need shows like "this week" where
people can know that they're going to come and get information, real information about the decisions politicians and policymakers are making every single day that affect their lives. that tradition is going to continue. >> for all of us here at abc news and until next week, thank you. >> how great to see david brinkley right there. what a privilege to be part of this program for the last 25 years. we'll be right back. part of this program for the last 25 years. we'll be right back.
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