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our inside look as the high court starts a new term. good morning. welcome to "this week." for much of this week, president biden stayed out of public sight as democrats fought bitterly among themselves. when he emerged friday to meet with democrats on capitol hill, there were two schools of thought about what he was up to. either he had a plan to break the impasse and push for a vote, or he was making a desperate attempt to bring his fractured democratic majority together. it turned out it was neither. this morning, lawmakers are back home. the president is at his retreat in delaware, and the fate of the biden agenda is anything but certain. in a way, the spectacle that occurred this week was an unforced error created by about artificial deadline. biden has time. the real question is whether he has the votes. after all, he is attempting to pass a program as ambitious and
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expensive as fdr's new deal or lbj's great society, but fdr and lbj enjoyed huge democratic majorities. biden's majority is razor thin, and time may not help those increasing tension among moderate and progressive democrats in the sense that the white house is falling short as one democratic lawmaker told abc news, quote, most of us are at a loss for words. there was no plan, no strategy, no timing. abc's rachel scott is covering it all for us this week, and she joins us now from capitol hill. so rachel, where are things this morning? what comes next? >> reporter: well, jon, good morning. house speaker nancy pelosi has already had to push this vote off twice. now she has set a new deadline of october 31st. that gives president biden roughly four weeks to try and unite his party to pass his domestic agenda, and this is proving not to be easy. tensions between progressives and moderates are only worsening. senator kyrsten sinema, a key
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holdout in the senate there releasing a blistering statement saying it's not only deeply disappointing, but inexcusable for the house not to pass and vote on that bipartisan infrastructure package immediately. she also says that it erodes the trust needed for these good faith negotiations. she went on to call the strategy by progressives ineffective, but progressives this morning are flexing their muscles. they know that their strategy is working, and they have the votes to block that bipartisan infrastructure package until their party reaches a deal on that much larger social spending bill that includes funding to combat climate change and for child care. the cost of that is $3.5 trillion over ten years. i'm told when the president met with democrats here on friday, he told them that number is likely to come down to $2 trillion, but even that is still too high for some moderates there in the senate and as you know, jon, you cannot afford to lose a single vote. >> so rachel, on that point, where are republicans in all of this? because of course, that
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bipartisan deal passed in the senate with 19 republican senators voting yes. is there still significant or any republican support in the house for the -- for at least that first bipartisan or what has been a bipartisan infrastructure bill? >> reporter: well, jon, i was talking to one republican aide who told me that democrats linking these two items together is, quote, the poison pill. house republican leadership is now encouraging its members to vote against the bipartisan infrastructure package. now only a handful of republicans even seem open to the idea, but they were frustrated by speaker pelosi pushing this off yet again, and they may reconsider. now of course, democrats do not need any republican support to get this passed, but they need to get their party united first, jon. >> thank you, rachel scott. joining me now, the senator in the middle of it all, budget chairman in the senate, bernie sanders. senator sanders, thank you for joining us. the bottom line, where do things stand now?
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>> well, i think we're going to make real progress, and i think we're going to do what the american people want us to do, and the american people are very clear. they want to substantially lower the cost of prescription drugs. they want to expand home health care so that people are not forced out of their homes into nursing homes. they want to expand medicare so that elderly people can have dental care, can have hearing aids, can have eyeglasses. they want us to address the existential threat of climate change, and i'll tell you what else they want. they are sick and tired of the rich getting richer and not paying their fair share of taxes, and they want this reconciliation bill to be paid for by doing away with the loopholes that the wealthy and large corporations enjoy. so we have the american people very, very strongly on our side. we've got the president of the united states on our side. got 96% of the members of the democratic caucus in the house on our side.
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we got all but two senators at this point in the democratic caucus on our side. we're going to win this thing. we're going to pass a strong infrastructure bill to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, and we're going to pass the reconciliation bill. >> and i want to get to one of those two senators that is not with you right now, senator sinema as we heard rachel scott refer to. she put out a lengthy statement overnight about the failure of the house to vote on that infrastructure bill. she said in part, the failure of the u.s. house to hold a vote on infrastructure investment and jobs act is inexcusable and deeply disappointing for communities across our country. denying americans millions of good-paying jobs, safer roads, cleaner water, more reliable electricity and better broadband only hurts everyday families. she accuses you, senator, and other progressives of pulling off what she calls an ineffective stunt, and holding that infrastructure bill hostage to the larger social infrastructure bill. your response? >> well, i think senator sinema is wrong. i think from day one, jonathan,
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it has been clear the president of the united states has said it. speaker of the house pelosi has made it clear. the majority leader schumer has made it clear. both of these are going forward in tandem, going forward in tandem. we've got to pass them both. i voted for the infrastructure bill. it is an important bill. i'm a former mayor. i know how much we've got to address our crumbling infrastructure and create jobs there, but i also know that elderly people in this country cannot chew their food because they don't have teeth in their mouth. i know the american people are sick and tired of paying ten times more for prescription drugs than the people of canada and other countries. i know there are young people out there who would love the opportunity to get a higher education, did you can't afford community college. we're going to make two years of community college tuition free, and the scientists are telling
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us if we do not act boldly in terms of cutting carbon emissions, that the planet we're leaving our kids and grandchildren will be increasingly uninhabitable, and let me say this, jonathan. we're not just taking on or dealing with senators manchin or senator sinema. we're taking on the entire ruling class of this country. right now the drug companies, the health care -- the health insurance companies, the fossil fuel industry are spending hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars from preventing us from doing what the american people want, and this really is a test of whether or not american democracy can work. it is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. they're not going to do anything. i expect that the democratic president will stand firm and tell the drug companies that the american people need -- elderly people need dental care, hearing and eyeglasses and other people
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need child care that they deserve. >> so let me ask you about where the president is on this. as i understand it, he has now floated a $2 trillion top line number on this broader bill. you are at $3.5 trillion. i remember you initially wanted something closer to $6 trillion. are you comfortable with the idea of cutting this down to about $2 trillion? >> first of all, i'm not sure that that's accurate. as you know, there's a lot of gossip that goes on. what the president has said is that there's going to have to be some give and take, and i think that's right. i think if anything, jonathan, especially when we talk about the issue of climate change, and we need to transfer away from fossil fuel, the $6 trillion that i proposed was probably too little. $3.5 trillion should be a minimum, but i accept there's going to have to be give and take, but at the end of the day, the real issue now -- >> but not $2 trillion.
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that's not enough? >> no. >> because the president also said that a smaller investment could create historic achievements, but $2 trillion is not enough? >> what the president is saying is that what we are trying to do is for the working families of this country for the children, for the elderly. we're trying to pass the most consequential piece of legislation sice the great depression, and he was right. >> yeah. >> the bottom line is we've got to pass it. we've got to pass the infrastructure bill, and the american people are going to have to stand up. what bothers me about this whole thing, poll after poll shows what we are doing is exactly what the american people want. it's not what the big money interest wants, or the lobbyists want. it's what the american people want, and we got to do it. >> senator manchin is the other senator in the middle of this. he's been consistent. we actually had him on this program back in july, and let me -- let me play you what he said about his top line number back then. >> what's your bottom line? the question is this is over a
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trillion dollars. >> the bottom line -- >> bernie sanders wants 6 more trillion dollars. how far are you willing to go? >> i want to make sure we pay for it. i do not want to add more debt on. if that's $1 trillion or $1.5 trillion or $2 trillion, what ever that comes out to be over a ten-year period, that's what i would be voting for. >> so i mean basic math tells me if you have sinema and manchin unwilling to go -- >> if you will just listen -- jonathan, if you will just listen to what manchin said. he said he wants it to be paid for. he's right. i want it to be paid for, and, in fact, that is exactly what we are going to do, and if it's $3.5 trillion, we can pay for it because as everybody knows, we got some of the wealthiest people in this country who don't pay a penny in federal income tax. large corporations don't pay a nickel in federal income tax.
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so if manchin wants to pay for it, i'm there. let's do it, and by the way, you can pay for it at $3.5 trillion, and you can pay for it at $6 trillion. we have massive income and wealth inequality. we can do that. >> imagine that would give you at most $2 trillion. >> that's in -- i'm sorry. >> that's where he is, and terry mcauliffe who is on the ballot running in virginia is saying that $3.5 trillion is simply too big and it will hurt democrats and he thinks it might hurt him in his own race in virginia. >> i wish -- i wish terry mcauliffe the best of luck. i hope he becomes the governor of virginia again, but let him focus on virginia issues. some of us have got to deal with the national issues and what i am telling you, asking american people whether or not we should have medicare and negotiate prescription drug prices. ask them whether or not we should expand home health care, and make community colleges tuition-free. whether or not we should deal with climate, and when we do all of those things by the way, we
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create millions of good-paying jobs. what we are fighting for is precisely what the american people want, and that's when we've got to do. >> we're just about out of time. bottom line, if manchin and sinema don't come up and don't do what you are suggesting and most of the democrats are -- almost all of the other democrats want, does that mean we get nothing? no infrastructure bill? nothing? >> no. at the end of the day -- at the end of the day, i'm absolutely convinced we're going to have a strong infrastructure bill, and we're going to have a great consequential reconciliation bill which addresses the needs of the american people. >> all right. senator sanders, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. let's bring in the round table for a reaction. former new jersey governor chris christie, former dnc chair donna brazile, and rachel bade who has had scoop after scoop after this drama unfolded this week, and our abc news political director
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rick klein. donna, it's looked like a circular firing squad of democrats up there. what is the strategy? >> first of all, it's not a circle. it's coming from one side, and that side is not even at the table because they're awol. what's happening right now is the democrats are trying to put together the best possible package for the american people. what happened this week? we avoided a government shutdown which is important because federal workers didn't want the uncertainty. we made sure that the transportation bill was extended for 30 more days. that's 3,700 people that didn't get furloughed this week. what we have to -- we have to face the consequences of putting forward two bills that have a hefty price tag, but here's what speaker pelosi has said from day one. we're going to pay for it. we're going to pay for it. now republicans are still trying to hold onto the past and the trump tax cuts. the democrats are saying, you
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know what? we're going to invest in the american people. with those three buckets -- thank you, rachel. those three buckets, they contain jobs and retooling the american work force. yes, chris, we're going to give free college, and that's important, chris, and here's what else. we're going to tackle climate change so that we never have to suffer the consequences of a standing -- >> you don't think this week went well for democrats, do you? >> it depends on which side of the aisle you're looking -- if you are a republican, you're saying, oh my good. look at those folks, but if you are a democrat, you're saying, you know what? we're having a robust conversation about the future of the american work force and a robust conversation about health care and our transportation needs. look. i'm a democrat. we like to talk to each other. >> rachel, you were up there in the middle covering all this, and it was put very provocatively that biden was whipping against his own bill. >> those aren't my words. i got a call on friday night from a very senior, very upset
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democrat who said, i've never seen anything like this. there were a lot of democrats on the hill that were looking to president biden this week for leadership. what do you want? do you want an infrastructure bill passed this week? do you want to take that win? they couldn't get clarity. how did they want him to vote? pelosi kept delaying this vote because progressives were saying they weren't going to support it and she didn't have the numbers and they were trying to get a separate reconciliation deal, and the president came to the hill on friday and said, we're going to wait. we're going to hold off on this until we get both of these packages negotiated and i think, you know, that means that there are some promises that were made to moderate democrats on having a infrastructure this week. they want a campaign on that, and they want that victory and, you know, speaker pelosi said she was going to give ththththt vote, and president biden came in and totally trampled it. there's a lot of people on the hill, democrats who are very frustrated right now. they feel like, you know, their promises are not being kept, you
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know, progressives, there was a sort of secret agreement contract thing that was released this week. we reported on it at politico between chuck schumer and joe manchin. >> it was signed and everything. >> it was signed and it was bizrre, and it said the top number would be $2.5 trillion, and some were saying it was $3.5 trillion, and people are privately very upset. >> there's no clear path, rick. we're seeing sinema, and she's not getting any softer on this. that statement was tough, and you know where senator manchin is. bernie sanders is saying this isn't enough. >> the white house has been saying we need something -- the number has to start with a 2. the rest of it is just hundreds of billions of dollars in between. you're right. you've got people taking this out this week, and you have someone engaged on one side or the other, and what democrats' problem here, there's just so much mistrust. they really don't like each other. they don't believe in each other's same political motives, and the problem isn't that
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they're lying to each other. they've actually been honest, and they don't want to hear it because they have different visions. they have different numbers and different values and so much of this is a feud inside the party being sorted out. there's maybe inevitability to the clash of this week and i think that's the white house perspective. this was going to happen, but i don't see a change in dynamics. you have the progressives just as dug in, and the moderates willing to walk away. >> and kevin mccarthy gets to lean back. >> it doesn't matter. when i had a political science professor who said, when your adversary is willing to commit suicide. there's no reason to commit murder. the result is the same. that's what's happening with democrats right now. it's the death of 2020 joe biden. when he went to the hill, 2020 joe biden is now officially dead and buried. the guy who ran against the progressives, ran against bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, ran to be uniter in this country, ran saying he was going
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to force compromise, and he went up to capitol hill, and he capitulated to the progressives in his party, and why should we be surprised? he couldn't stand up to the taliban. how can we expect him -- >> whoa. >> that's a partisan take to be sure. >> wait a second. did he stand up to the taliban? why is that partisan? >> he wasn't -- >> he hasn't stood up to anyone except for the people in his own party who nominated him. >> donald trump invited the taliban -- donald trump was inviting the taliban to camp david. >> let's not debate donald trump. >> in case you didn't know, donald trump -- donald trump's not in the white house anymore, and joe biden is kind of in the white house. >> joe biden has created more jobs in the first couple of months of his presidency than any other president. >> and more inflation, thank you. >> that inflation was already coming down the pipe. >> sure, it was. >> and look. this notion -- i'm sorry that you have to cover this, rachel, and rick, okay? >> okay.
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>> i have been in the room with democrats all my life, and i still look good, okay? you sometimes bleed in the middle of a fight, but when you are fighting for principles, these are principles, dead rock principles that democrats believe that we help people, that we take them out of harm's way, that we provide them with education and jobs. this is why we're democrats. >> these principles lost in the democratic primary. what bernie sanders was just arguing and elizabeth warren lost in the democratic primary. joe biden said they were extreme. they were extreme. >> not really. >> did joe biden say bernie sanders was extreme? he did. >> bernie sanders was fighting on medicare for all. that's not part of this, but let me ask you this -- >> to lower the prescription drug prices. >> to a larger point, why wouldn't biden want to take the victory? >> a $1.5 trillion? you're right. they promised the moderates -- >> what money by the way? $1.5 trillion plus -- >> plus $1.9 trillion in january.
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>> and your tax cuts? >> it doesn't even count. i understand that you want the american people to give their money rather than keep it themselves. i get that, that's fine. you can spend it better. >> you know how much money we spent every day in afghanistan and got nothing to show for it? let's talk about how much it cost, and how many lives we were going to save, and how many people we were going to educate, and how many seniors can have the comfort of being able to take their medicine. >> if you get it passed. let's play what president biden said yesterday expressing some real frustration at two democrats in particular. >> if we can bring the moderates and progressives together, we need two more votes. two. two people. >> he leans in. two more votes. two more votes. it would be very easy. all we need is two more votes. he's talking about manchin and sinema -- >> i was taking it as two votes,
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vote on infrastructure, vote on reck silluati reconciliation, easy peasy one and done. it's because of this breakdown of trust, you could see people walking away from the negotiating table and that's such very narrow margins in both chambers, they can't lose anybody. they can't lose a single senator, a democrat in the senate right now. and kyrsten sinema told president biden at least twice that if this vote -- this infrastructure vote was delayed or went down, she was going to walk away, and so it will be interesting to see what happens this week. is she going to keep talking to them? is she going to push pause on this? nancy pelosi has this october 31st deadline, but she has to strike a deal with the moderates and to the point chris was making, if you look at the overall total, democrats were talking about $6 trillion, and now $3.5 trillion, and now $2 trillion is still quite significant when you add infrastructure and what they've already passed this year, you know, they're going to have to at some point, change the way
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they talk about this if they're going to sell this as, you know, to their own party, their own base as a victory, and speaker nancy pelosi this week, you know, she got down to business and she put together a preliminary proposal to the moderates that was at $2 trillion, and so the longer they're sort of fighting about this $3.5 trillion -- >> let me ask you very quickly. you count these votes as well as anybody. are the votes even in the house to pass $3.5 trillion? >> absolutely not. moderate democrats -- >> it's not just manchin and sinema. >> these democrats know that the house is very vulnerable in 2022, and they're probably going to lose their seats and they are trying really hard to force the leadership to do a negotiation with the senate, bring the number down so they don't have to take such a politically risky vote. >> we've got to take a break. we will be back with the round table with more. coming up next, dr. anthony fauci joins us to weigh in on the new breakthrough treatment to treat covid. weighs in on th
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of 700,000 lives lost due to the pandemic. dr. anthony fauci joins us now. dr. fauci, thank you for being here. i want to start with that number. that just almost incomprehensible number, 700,000 people who have died just in the united states from the pandemic. how did -- how did we get here? did so many have to die? >> well, this is the most formidable virus, jon. it is really, you know, from the very beginning, has evolved to the point where we're now dealing with this delta variant which is an extraordinary virus in the sense -- the same virus sill as sars-cov2, and transference efficiency. there were some things that were unavoidable in that there were going to be deaths and a lot of infections globally no matter
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what anyone did, but there were situations where we could have done better and we can do better, and i think we're living through that right now, jon, because we now have within our capability, highly effective and safe vaccines, and although we've done well in the sense that we now have 55% of the population fully vaccinated, 64% having received at least one dose, but there are 70 million people who are eligible to be vaccinated who have not gotten vaccinated. so when you say some of those deaths are avoidable, they certainly are. in fact, looking forward now, most of the deaths could be avoidable if we get people vaccinated because if you look at the people who get hospitalized and the people who die, it is overwhelmingly weighted towards the people who are unvaccinated. so where we are right now, many of the these could be avoidable. >> we also have this
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breakthrough -- apparent breakthrough that merck announced this new treatment that cuts down hospitalizations and severe illness in half. how big a deal is this -- is this new treatment? >> it's a big deal, jon. i mean, you have now a small molecule drug that can be given orally, and the results of the trial that were just announced yesterday and the day before are really quite impressive. i mean, if you do a statistical significant analysis on it, it's very, very significant, cutting the deaths and hospitalization by 50% importantly in the placebo versus the drug group. in the drug group, there were zero deaths. in the placebo group, there were eight deaths. so that is, you know, no matter how you slice that, that's impressive. so we're really looking forward to the implementation of this. >> is that potentially something
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that would make the vaccine not necessary? >> oh, absolutely not. that's such a false narrative that someone says, well, now you have a drug. remember. the easiest way to stay out of the hospital and not die is don't get infected. >> this drug is very good -- >> exactly. this idea about we have a drug, don't get vaccinated just doesn't make any sense. >> and let me ask you about this new announcement from governor newsom in california. a mandate for students -- all eligible students to get the vaccine and there's no out here. he's not allowing testing as an alternative. do you favor that or should testing be an alternative for those that don't want their kids to take this vaccine? >> you know, jon, i have been and i still am in favor of these kinds of mandates. you can make some exceptions to them, but in general, people look at this like this is something novel and new when, in
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fact, throughout, you know, years and years, decades, we have made it a requirement for children to get into schools to get different types of vaccines. measles, mumps, rubella, and others. so when people treat this as something novel and terrible, it isn't. a requirement for children to come to school to be vaccinated with certain vaccines is not something new. it's been around for a very long time. >> what do you say to those that say, this is such a new vaccine that they're reluctant? they want to, you know, for their young children, they just feel -- i mean, obviously the other vaccines are required, but there have been decades of experience with those vaccines and they're hesitant. how do you reassure them? >> well, jon, a couple of things. first of all, our food and drug administration, before they allow something to be given to anyone, it has to be safe and effective.
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they were very meticulous in their examination of the data. in addition, jon, this vaccine has been given to hundreds of millions of people. so when you say it's a new vaccine, well, you know, when you have a new vaccine that's been given to 100,000 people, you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of millions of people throughout the world. so although it is, quote, new, there is a lot of experience with this vaccine. >> all right. last question, dr. fauci. there has been some good news. it looks like infections are down dramatically over the last couple of weeks. deaths are still on the rise. that's a lagging indicator. is it possible we are finally beginning to turn the corner on this pandemic? >> we certainly are turning the corner on this particular surge, jon, but we have experienced over now close to 20 months of surges that go up and then come down, and then go back up again. the way to keep it down, to make
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that turnaround continue to go down is to do what we mentioned. get people vaccinated. when you have 70 million people in the country who are eligible to be vaccinated who are not yet vaccinated, that's the danger zone right there. so it's within our capability to make sure that that turnaround that we're seeing, that very favorable and optimistic turnaround continues to go down, and doesn't do what we've seen multiple times before where it goes down, and then it comes back up. we can do that merely by getting vaccinated. >> all right. dr. fauci, thank you for joining us. when we come back, the round table takes on the fallout from the nation's top military leaders breaking with president biden over afghanistan. plus, a look at this year's most hotly contested and high stakes election. r afghanitan. plus, a look at this year's most hotly contested and high stakes election. ♪
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look good. matching your job description. feel good. play good. gillette proglide, five blades and a pivoting flexball to get virtually every hair on the first stroke. look good, game good. gillette. general milley, was this afghanistan retrograde operation an extraordinary success? >> i think one of the other senators said it very well. it was a logistical success, but a strategic failure. >> my concern was if we withdrew below 2,500 and went to zero that the afghan and military government would collapse. >> blunt words from the nation's top military commanders who directly contradicted what president biden said about
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withdrawing all u.s. troops from afghanistan. let's discuss it all with the round table. rick, i've got to say i've covered the pentagon, covered congress, covered the white house. i've never seen the top military brass in the country so directly contradict the commander in chief. >> it was an extraordinary moment, and i think it confirmed the perceptions that were coming out in realtime that there was different advice that was coming into the white house than what president biden was willing to talk about because he was standing by that decision even as the situation crumbled. even as those service members were killed. even as it became clear that there were serious intelligence failures along the way, and i think this episode has had a more lasting impact than just foreign policy for just afghanistan. you can look at joe biden's approval ratings, and they flipped that mirror image, that botched withdrawal. now to have things come in other than military commanders, it's devastating to the white house, and it helps feed a narrative of a lack of credibility at a moment when the white house needs it more than ever. these are critical moments for the biden presidency. >> take that as it may be, donna.
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it may be jarring to hear four-star generals, the top four-star general in the military, chairman of the joint chiefs talk so bluntly in contradiction to what the president was saying. >> i thought it was refreshing. >> it was refreshing? >> you know why? >> why? >> they told the truth. they came to the table and said, mr. president, we should keep 2,500, and at the end of the day, the president decides, and they said it's about civilian control. that's a very acrimonious not just on tuesday, but on wednesday. i loved watching it because again, it shows you our system of government worked. that was the job of the president to make the decision. he -- that's why president biden said, i will own it. he owned it. >> chris, what do you make of general milley? now we've seen him -- i mean, more starkly take on donald trump, but also again, strategic failure. strong words. i mean, he's the president's top military adviser to two
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different presidents and he's been at odds with both of them. >> i agree with donna on this one. i think, you know, their job is to go up there and tell the truth, and they did, and that should be without regard to politics. here's my problem. why didn't the president? i mean, why wouldn't the president have said to george, you know what? i got a whole bunch of different opinions, but in the end, the people elected me to make these decisions. i'm the commander in chief and i'm taking it. he didn't do that. he said, i didn't get any other contrary advice, and this is joe biden's pattern, right? over the course of his entire career, he's a little bit loose with the facts, and he always wants to make himself look better, and maybe when you are in the senate it matters less, but when you are the president, and you sit there and say there was no opposition and then these guys come out and say, it it does what rick said. it erodes public trust in what he says. the president should have just said, there were different opinions. i disagreed with this general or that general. my choice, i'm the commander in chief.
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my call, and i own it. he got close, but he had to just make himself seem a little bit better, and it's costing him. >> donna? >> well, look. at the end of the day, did anyone foresee the collapse of the afghan army or the afghan government? they also said that. i mean, i listened to the hearings because i want to -- i want to learn from my mistakes. we should all learn from our mistakes in afghanistan. the trillions of dollars, the lives lost. we couldn't build a lasting army or a government, and the people and women of afghanistan are suffering. it's a humanitarian crisis. at the end of the day, president biden took responsibility and he owns it. whether his poll numbers bounce back, the american people should understand that war, something went wrong. >> it's 20 years of something going wrong. okay. i want to get now to the -- to the big race of this year, of this calendar year. the governor's race in new jersey. i want to get all you to weigh in. >> wait. wait. >> but first, we have nate silver who took a look at the race. let's see his take.
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>> if you watch enough of these segments, you know we try to emphasize probability, and there's the chance that the gop could win in virginia next month. according to the poll in virginia, mcauliffe the former governor and youngkin, loses by only a few percentage points. a candidate that trails by that amount with a month to go with expect to win around 30% of the time which is a pretty decent chance. at the same time, we've seen versions of this movie before, and it didn't end so well for republicans. in 2017, in virginia, the democrat beat the republican in the final polling average, and the conventional wisdom was the race was a tossup. but won by nine points not really a close call at all. more recently, the recall showed the race nearly tied with a month to go, but no recall ended up winning by about 24 points. virginia isn't california, but it's more blue at this point than purple. joe biden beat donald trump there by ten points last
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november where trump got the endorsement. so do i think the democrats should be worried? sure. democrats tend to worry about everything, and a loss would be a bad sign for the party come 2022, but the odds are on mcauliffe's side. >> okay. so thank you, nate. i said new jersey. i meant virginia. chris christie's getting into my head over here. rachel, to nate's last point there, if youngkin pulls off a win in the increasingly blue state of virginia, how big a blow is that to democrats going into the midterms? >> i mean, it's certainly going to create a morale problem, and a lot of people are looking at this race to sort of figure out what he should be expecting in 2022. i mean, the odds are that the house is going to flip in 2022. if you just look at the party in power, typically loses two dozen seats, and right now pelosi has, like, a three-seat margin, and obviously people are looking at this governor's race to see if, you know, youngkin can pull this out. at the same time, mcauliffe is
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showing democrats how to run. he's definitely been distancing himself from biden. there was a debate early they are week when youngkin was going on biden at the border and mcauliffe didn't defend him, and said that $3.5 trillion number is too big. you're seeing the poll numbers go down. >> which is interesting to see mcauliffe not, like -- to see youngkin attacking mcauliffe over biden in a statement that biden won handily. >> biden is the incumbent, and -- mcauliffe is the incumbent in this race for all intents and purposes, and he even talks lake he'll still the governor sometimes, and what's interesting here is the conversation around infrastructure is both of the candidates are for the infrastructure plan. that's why this october 31st deadline matters. if the democrats can't show they're on the move, terry mcauliffe is much more likely to
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take the blame for democrats' inability to govern if that's the narrative that comes out of this, and he's been trying to make glenn youngkin into donald trump, and the problem is they're not the same. >> you know terry mcauliffe. >> very well. i've known him a long time. >> outside of chris christie, he's my other favorite former governor who i hope to see as a new governor. terry is a good closer. we all know the democrats face right now, the early voting started on september 17th. his enthusiasm, and we've got raise the level of activity and enthusiasm. terry's going to win this. youngkin is a trump wannabe. he may not sound like trump. he clearly doesn't have trump's hair or flair, but he's a wannabe, and terry is going to close. >> is that true? >> he's a republican in his manner and his policies, but here's the problem. look. this looks a lot to me like 2009, and 2009 was a race that i was familiar with, and bob mcdonald after barack obama won overwhelmingly. he won new jersey by 700,000
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votes in 2008, and then i came back and won by 100,000 in 2009, and alabama won virginia. then bob mcdonald came back and it gave a preview. so i think it is an indicator for what will happen in 2022 in some respects, and i think just the breadth of a republican win in 2022. rachel is right, and republicans are likely to win the house back given historic norms. do they have a chance to win the senate back too? if virginia or new jersey were to go, i think they would have a very good chance. >> all right. that is it. that is the time we have. up next, guns, god and abortion. a blockbuster supreme court term gets under way tomorrow, and as the courts' political independence is scrutinized, perhaps more than ever, you might be surprised to look at who is coming to the court's defense. stay with us. coming to the cou defense. stay with us.
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supreme court justice amy coney barrett's long awaited is ceremony on friday. she'll take a seat alongside most of her colleagues for the resumption of in-person oral arguments of the supreme court, but with justice brett kavanaugh joining remotely after testing positive for covid-19, the term is already proving to be one of the most unpredictable and consequential in decades. our devin dwyer takes a closer look. >> reporter: in rare rapid succession, the justices have been disavowing politics. >> the court was thought to be the least dangerous branch, and we may have become the most dangerous. >> reporter: the supreme court
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on a p.r. offensive. >> we don't trade votes, and members of the court have different judicial philosophies. >> reporter: justice amy coney barrett in a speech alongside mitch mcconnell insisting the court is not comprised of a bunch of partisan hacks. after growing concern about the court's stability. >> the public perception of the court's legitimacy seemed so seriously threaten. >> reporter: public approval has hit its lowest in two decades, down 18 points from lst year -- last year, sinking nine points since just july. [ chanting ] >> reporter: the court's 5-4 midnight decision in september to allow that texas ban on nearly all abortions only adding to public controversy. >> roe v. wade is on thin ice. at the moment, it feels more as if it's a question of when and not if, and how and not whether. >> reporter: in a major case out of mississippi this fall, the justices will decide whether to
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overturn nearly 50 years of abortion rights precedent. they'll hear cases on the death penalty, separation of church and state, and a major second amendment case that could establish the right to carry a handgun outside the home. >> you may expect more people to carry handguns in places like new york city, boston and los angeles. >> reporter: a blockbuster case is playing out before the most conservative court in a generation. a fivethirtyeight analysis showed that sonya sotomayor is the most liberal justice. there is not one justice in the middle. there are three, all conservatives, chief justice john roberts and trump appointees brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. >> she seems like she's going to be a core component of the conservative triad at the center of the court. >> reporter: democrats sounded the alarm at barrett. >> a judicial or the pea toe they are fairing at the aca. >> reporter: she has defied expectations of both sides. >> the expectation that justice
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barrett would be a reliable vote for the position has not materialized. >> reporter: brett kavanaugh is also a critical vote to watch. >> we don't know what a brett kavanaugh who is no longer beholden to john roberts to get the deciding vote will say about abortion, and we don't know the same about justice barrett. >> reporter: barrett and kavanaugh broke with the chief justice to allow that texas abortion law to go ahead on technical grounds. a sign john roberts' once dominant influence may be coming to an end. >> chief justice roberts will encourage his colleagues to do it, and not all of them are on board with that. >> reporter: a court at a crossroads as americans remain on edge over just how far and how fast the supreme court will go. >> our thanks to devin dwyer for that. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight." have a good day. of
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