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06/13/17 06/13/17 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica this is democracy now! >> people are saying they feel so shocked by trump. i would suggest maybe the real thing we are feeling is horror. shock suggests it is something out of the blue. trump is the culmination of so many dangerous trends. if we want to deal with trump, we need to identify those trends and get the root of them, not just say no to trump. all that will do is get us to where we were before trump, and trump.s what produced amy: as president trump is sued by the attorneys general of maryland and washington, d.c., for "unprecedented constitutional violations," and
as another federal appeals court rejects trump's muslim band, we spend the hour with the selling writer and author, activist naomi klein host of her new book, "no is not enough post of resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." trump isaying no to not enough. we need a plan for a way forward. amy: today, naomi klein for the hour. all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the u.s.-led coalition is now reportedly killing more civilians in syria than isis, russia, or even the government of syrian president bashar al-assad. that's according to the journalistic monitoring group airwars, which based its findings on data from the syrian network for human rights. this data says that u.s.-led coalition forces reportedly
killed at least 273 civilians last month, which is slightly more than the number of civilians reportedly killed by isis. overall the data says nearly 1000 civilians were killed in syria last month alone. president trump's muslim travel ban has been dealt another legal blow. on monday, the united states court of appeals for the ninth circuit unanimously ruled that president trump had overstepped his legal authority in signing an executive order seeking to ban from entering the united states all refugees and citizens of six majority muslim nations. the court wrote -- "the order does not offer a sufficient justification to suspend the entry of more than 180 million people on the basis of nationality. national security is not a 'talismanic incantation' that, once invoked, can support any and all exercise of executive power." in its opinion, the court also cited trump's tweets, as well as a white house statement confirming that all of trump's
tweets are considered to be official statements by the president. attorney general jeff sessions is slated to testify today before the senate intelligence committee, where he's expected to face questioning about his role in the firing of former fbi director james comey, as well as about sessions' multiple meetings with russian officials while he was serving as a member of trump's campaign. sessions has acknowledged meeting with russian ambassador sergey kislyak twice last year. there are also unsubstantiated rumors based on u.s. intelligence reports that sessions may have also met with the russian ambassador in april at the mayflower hotel in washington, d.c., during a trump campaign event. this comes as a close associate of president trump's says trump may be considering firing special prosecutor robert mueller. this is christopher ruddy, head of the right-wing newsmax media, speaking to pbs newshour's judy woodruff on monday. >> is president trump prepared to let the special counsel
pursue his investigation? >> i think he is considering perhaps terminating the special counsel. i think he is weighing that option. i think it is pretty clear by what one of his lawyers said on television recently. amy: in response, white house press secretary sean spicer did not deny the claims, but said only that ruddy had not spoken to the president about this. though he had been at the white house. of hismidst controversies, trump pulled together his full cabinet on monday. pres. trump: never has there been a president, with few exceptions, in a case of fdr he had a major depression, who has passed more legislation, who has done more things than what we have done. we have been about as active as au can possibly be at about record-setting pace. amy: in fact, president trump not signed a single piece of major legislation since taking office. his executive orders restricting immigration have been blocked by multiple courts.
last week, former fbi director james comey called him a liar on national television. and during his first 100 days in office, trump has spent twice as many days playing golf as presidents obama, george w. bush, and bill clinton all did combined. during monday's meeting, trump's cabinet members heaped praise on trump in expressing loyalty to him and what appeared to be a publicity stint. this is tom price. >> what incredible honor it is to lead the department of health and human services at this pivotal time under your leadership. i cannot thank you enough for the privilege you have given me in the leadership you have shown. amy: vice president mike pence said serving for trump was the greatest privilege of his life. president trump is expected to announce friday plans to roll some of the u.s.'s new diplomatic and commercial relations with cuba, which were brokered under the obama administration.
trump is expected to make the announcement in miami on friday. bloomberg news reports the changes may include curbing travel between u.s. and cuba, other changes may include reinstating restrictions on americans visiting cuba and bringing back famous cuba goods like cigars and rum. officials also say trump might demand the extradition of people who have received political asylum in cuba, like assata shakur. before becoming president, donald trump's businesses violated the u.s. embargo on cuba, secretly doing business in cuba in the late 1990's and then trying to cover it up. vermont senator bernie sanders attacked the democratic party, calling it an absolute failure and blaming it for the election of president trump. sanders was speaking at the people's summit in chicago over -- before about 4000 people. sen. sanders: trump's did not win the election. the democratic party lost the election. very, very clear.
currentent model -- the model and the current strategy of the democratic party is an absolute failure. amy: montana congressman-elect greg gianforte has been sentenced to 40 hours of community service and 20 hours of anger management after he was accused of body slamming guardian reporter ben jacobs to the ground and breaking his glasses the night before montana's special election. gianforte won the election, more than 70% of montana voters had cast their ballots during early voting before he attacked the reporter. this is gianforte pleading guilty monday to misdemeanor assault. >> i take full responsibility for my actions. i did not act in a way that is consistent with my behavior in the past. was pleased to be
here and get this done, so we can move forward. forward to look putting this behind me. i have apologized to mr. ben jacobs. he has accepted my apology. i'm grateful for that. now look forward to going to work in washington. and ago he attacked ben jacobs after jacobs asked him a question about the republicans health care proposal. in russia, thousands of protesters flooded the streets in more than 100 cities across russia in the latest must us -- demonstration against government corruption. more than 1000 protesters were arrested. the protests were organized by anti-corruption activist aleksei navalny. this is one of the protesters monday. continue in the agricultural state in india, where farmers are demanding debt forgiveness after a crash in crop prices has left farmers unable to repay the exorbitant loans.
the indian government has launched a violent crackdown against the protests, deploying more than 1000 police and paramilitary troops to the region. on thursday, the indian police opened fire on protesters, killing five people and setting off a new wave of demonstrations. last year in india, as many as farmers committed suicide in 1600 madhya pradesh as a result of unpayable debts. in california, a group of asylum seekers on hunger strike in the for-profit adelanto detention center say they were violently attacked by geo group guards monday morning as they waited in the breakfast area for immigration officials to respond to their strike demands. this is one of the hunger strikers, isaac lopez castillo. could notey saw they remove us, they sprayed us with more pepper spray. once there were able to pull us out, they threw some of us against the wall. in my case am a they threw me up against the glass of the phone book.
they pushed my face up into it on the corner. our skin is covered in rashes and some have gashes from their fingernails and one of the guys had his dental crown knocked out. they knocked it out because they threw him face first against the wall. amy: delta airlines and take of america have pulled their sponsorship of the public ofater summer performance shakespeare's julius caesar because the play depicts the assassination of a trump-like caesar, complete with blond hair and a gold bathtub. the 2012 public theater's staging of julius caesar depicted caesar as an obama-like figure. this is public theater artistic director oskar eustis, speaking about the lessons of julius caesar before the play monday
night. >> the play, on the contrary, warns about what happens when you try to preserve democracy by nondemocratic means. spoiler alert, it does not end up to good. amy: julius caesar is commonly understood as a play against assassination, depicting the widespread upheaval that results from caesar's death. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and is peace report. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. the attorneys general of maryland and washington, d.c., have filed an anti-corruption lawsuit against president trump accusing him of "unprecedented constitutional violations." the lawsuit alleges trump has flagrantly violated the emoluments clause of the constitution by accepting payments from foreign governments since he became president. amy: the lawsuit cites reports that the embassies of kuwait and saudi arabia, and other countries, have booked expensive rooms and held events at the
trump international hotel on pennsylvania avenue in washington, d.c., possibly seeking to win favor with the president. d.c. attorney general karl racine announced the lawsuit on monday. >> president trump's businesses and his dealings violate the constitution's anticorruption provisions. known as the emoluments clause is. my office window is just a few floor above where we're sitting today, and i can tell you that as i look out the window and see the tower of the trump international hotel, we know exactly what is going on every single day. we know that foreign governments are spending money there in order to curry favor with the president of the united states. just one example, the kingdom of saudi arabia, whose government has important business and policy before the president of the united states, has already spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at the trump
international hotel. juan: resistance against trump's profiteering while in the oval office has taken other shapes, as well. last month, artists projected the words "pay trump bribes here" on to the front of trump international hotel. meanwhile, in another setback to the trump agenda, the u.s. court of appeals for the ninth circuit unanimously ruled monday that president trump had overstepped his legal authority in signing an executive order seeking to ban all refugees and citizens of six majority muslim nations from entering the united states. amy: well, today, we spend the rest of the hour with someone who has been closely following the various forms of resistance against the trump presidency, the best-selling author, journalist, activist naomi klein, author of "the shock doctrine" and "this changes everything." she is out today with a new book, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need."
in the book, klein writes -- "this is one attempt to uncover how we got to this surreal political moment. it is also an attempt to predict how, under cover of shocks and crises, it could get a lot worse. and it's a plan for how, if we keep our heads, we might just be able to flip the script and arrive at a radically better future." naomi klein, welcome to democracy now! it is great to have you with us. you are beginning your tour across the united states. the book is called "no is not enough." what do you mean? >> as you know, i have been covering crises in major shock to countries for a long time. honest with you, when i wrote "the shock doctrine" and it came out 10 years ago, i actually kind of thought no was enough in a sense thought if we
understood this particular tactic -- what i mean by "the shock doctrine," is the ways in which large-scale shock to societies, large-scale crises, economic crises, wars, coups, natural disasters, has systematically been used a right-wing governments using the disorientation and the panic in society to push through a very radical pro-corporate agenda. i have been on the show many times talking about examples of this like hurricane katrina and how that tragedy and the dislocation of the residents of that city was used to privatize the school system, attack public housing, introduced a tax-free free to pride zone under george bush's administration. but after that book came out -- it came out in 2007 -- we had the 2008 financial crisis. all around the world, people did say -- people knew they were being forced to pay for the crisis of the bankers. they took to the streets.
they occupied plazas. they said no more. but they did not, in so many cases, have a plan for what to do instead. want thest, we don't austerity, we don't want the attacks. there wasn't a credible plan put forward in many cases for how we could have a different and better economy. responded to the underlying reasons why we are seeing these shocks. so i think in this moment where trump is the rolling shock, every day there is some shocking news -- we just heard a few examples in the headlights -- behind the scenes we're seeing the same agenda advanced very quickly. i am concerned about what is going to happen if they have even larger shocks to exploit, not the shock of just trump himself and what he is doing and various investigations and dramas and the rest of it, but i think it is really crucial that
in preparing for that, we understand that there has to be a yes, what we want instead of the shock doctrine. that is why i called it "no is not enough." instance, the work you had done long ago on branding and how the trump administration has become the bread -- the branding of the presidency and how he was able to understand that back during his "the apprentice" program. you analyze that show and its impact on the american continents. >> i think we need to understand that trump is not playing by the rules of politics. he is playing by the rules of branding. there have been presidential, looks of interest before.
there have been presidents with business interests before. there is never been a fully commercialized global brand as a sitting u.s. president. that is unprecedented. the reason it is unprecedented, this is a really -- relatively new business model. it is the business model that has been adopted by the trump organization. it is really not one that existed before the 1990's. it is what i called and my first book "no logo," the hollow brand model. the model comes out of the fact history of original branding is you have a product, maybe it was rice or beans or shoes. you are a manufacturer first, but you want people to buy your product so you brand it. you put a logo on it. you identify it with some sort of iconic image like uncle ben's or whatever it is. you give it a kind of personality. that stopped working in the 1980's. customers got savvy to it. i have probably the most anorded quote of mine from
executive who said "consumers are like roaches. you spray them and spread them and they become immune after a while." marketing started to get more ambitious. you started to see these companies that position themselves as lifestyle brands. they said, no, we're not product-based companies. we are in the business of selling ideas and identity. nike was the ultimate example of this. they said, we are not a sneaker or shoe company, we are about the idea of transcendence through sports. starbucks wasn't a copy, a, it was the idea of community in a third-place -- coffee company, it was the idea of community and other place. disney was a family. changed manufacturing dramatically. once you decide you're in the business of selling an idea as a poster product, it does not matter who makes it. what you want to do is own as
hard infrastructure as possible, and your real value is your name and how you build that up. trump was more of a traditional business in the 1980's. trump was sort of a guy who built buildings and had a flair for marketing. in the game changer for him was "the apprentice." that is when he realized he could into the stratosphere of the super brand. his business model changed. it no longer became about building the building or buying the building. that was for other people to do. he was about building up the trump name, and then selling it and leasing it in as many ways as possible. you have trump water and trump steaks and so-called dodgy university. so many of the trump towers around the world metropolis sorts, those are not owned by the trump organization. the trump organization is paid millions of dollars by these developers for the privilege of putting the trump name on those
towers. huge implications for how we understand the corruption at the heart of trump's decision to merge his global brand with the us government, which is under way 70 different fronts. -- the u.s. government, which is underway on so many different fronts. we said in an "trump," we're doing the marketing for him. this lawsuit just announced by the attorneys general of new york and d.c. -- amy: maryland. >> i'm sorry, maryland. maybe new york will get into it. it is getting at part of it in the sense that foreign governments are clearly favoring trump hotels as a which ingratiate themselves to the president. but the conflict is more continuous than that because trump's big idea, the idea at the center of his brand, is the power that comes with wealth. so the more powerful he is -- of
course, he haven't somehow to have got himself the most powerful job in the world -- he somehow managed to get the most powerful job in the world. with his sons cashing in by selling that name for inflated prices. trump, by not divesting from the trump organization, profits from that as president. the conflict is baked in, having ever second. amy: you talk about jamming the trump brand. how? >> this phrase, culture jamming, was very much in vogue in the 1990's when the super brands emerged and started projecting their names onto ever more surfaces. maybe you remember some of the campaigns like "just don't do it ," exposing the sweatshops that nike products were being made under. sir, the joe
camel cigarettes. how do we jam the trump brand? hishave to accept trump on own terms to some degree. and this idea where going to somehow catch him out, damage and by proving that he is corrupt, that he treats people awfully -- that is his brand. his brand is that he is the boss and he gets to do whatever he wants. that is what he has been selling now for many, many decades. juan: let's get back to "the apprentice." "the apprentice" was really based on selling a cutthroat brand of capitalism to the american people as the way that people should be. >> it opens up with an image of a homeless man sleeping rough on the streets of new york, then cuts to trump in his limousine and it is basically like, who you want to be, the homeless guy or trump?
this happens. the show launches at a time when people understand that neoliberalism is not lifting all boats. it is a cutthroat world of winners and losers, in which one you want to be? int was sharply played out "the apprentice," and it got more brutal as the show went on. i did not know this and still i started researching the book, in later seasons, they deported half of their contestants into tents in the backyard. they called it trump's trailer park. they would overlay the sound like howling dogs at night. it was this idea that creating drama out of the massive inequalities of our economic system, the people who were sleeping the backyard who had been deported into trump's trailer park would peak over the hedges to look at the people living in the mansion drinking
champagne and floating around the swimming pool. so i think this is part of his appeal. not to challenge the massive inequality, but to promise that if you play by my rules, you end up in the mansion. it will be even sweeter because people are sleeping outside, right? because you won. i think this has been very much of the message that he ran on as president. the promise of lifting you up, the chosen few, the white working class, and at the of brutalitynse against people of color. so that formula that he honed that was so profitable, that got such great ratings on "the apprentice," is now the world is his reality show. i quote newt gingrich in the book where he is been such a booster of trump, he was asked what he thought of trump staying on as executive producer of
"celebrity apprentice." newt gingrich is in a rare criticism of trump. he said it was a bad idea. of truth.are moment we have all been recruited as extras. amy: i think trump declared this week "apprentice week was good and he and his daughter ivanka trump are going to wisconsin where a ge plant is closing and is heading to canada, where you're from. we will talk about all of this and more with naomi klein. her new book is out called "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." we will also talk about this weekend in chicago, where we both were. bernie sanders held a major event. the people summit, 4000 people came. you will hear some of what he has to say. and also what happened in britain with jeremy corbyn, the labor leader. izzy soon to be the british
speech during his speech he repeatedly criticized the democratic party, calling it an absolute failure and blaming it for the election of president trump. pres. trump: i'm often asked by the media -- sen. sanders: i'm often asked by the media and others how did donald trump, the most unpopular presidential candidate in the modern history of our country, when the election. -- and mywer is answer is that trump did not win the election, the democratic party lost the election. [applause] sanders: let us -- let us be very, very clear. the current model -- the current model and the current strategy
of the democratic party is an absolute failure. [applause] not --nders: this is this is not my opinion. this is the facts. on thew, we focus a lot presidential election, but we also have to understand that the democrats have lost the u.s. house, the u.s. senate. republicans now control almost two thirds of the governor's chair throughout the country. and over the last nine years, democrats have lost almost 1000 legislative seats in states all across this country. they in almost half of state in america, democratic party has almost no political
presence at all. ,ow, if that is not a failure if that is not a failed model, i don't know what a failed model is. [applause] amy: that is bernie sanders speaking on saturday night at the people summit in chicago at the mccormick place convention center. it was an event organized by many different groups, primarily nurses united, about 1000 nurses were there. naomi, we were both there. can you talk about the significance of what bernie sanders said -- remember, he is in the democratic leadership right now of the senate. he is supposedly like the outreach person. he was brought into it. but he is a fierce critique of the democratic party. have been biting his tongue a little bit. i might speculate he was
inspired by what happened in the u.k. with jeremy corbyn. you just came back from a trip to the u.k. there is an interesting parallel in the sense that german corbyn was elected by a grassroots movement. youth-led many, many young people who joined the labour party in order to support jeremy corbyn. they were treated
of interest in the political party, the labor party establishment, the so-called new labor party establishment because labor was reprinted by tony brown -- tony blair in the late 1990's, releasing the jewels of marketing as opposed to having a party that knows what it stands for and who it stands for, and so jeremy corbyn was elected and there was the campaign of sabotage. it was in of the world. there was a coup to try to unseat him. he was sabotaged relentlessly by his mps while he was leader who ning constantly leaking dam information, trying to make him look bad and the press. staff was tossing him at every front. -- sabotaging him at every front. this campaign was a tremendous upset -- i'm sorry, the election was a tremendous upset in the u.k. may said she would not call the election. the only reason she did was because she was so convinced she was going to get an overwhelming majority, which was supposed to give her this mandate to get the best deal possible under brexit as a negotiated with the e.u., and there is this huge upset. she loses all of the seats, loses the majority. jeremy corbyn wins seats.
amy: let's go to jeremy corbyn. >> people is said they have had quite enough of austerity politics, quite enough of cuts in public expenditure, underfunding our health service, underfunding our schools and our education service, and not giving our young people the chance they deserve in our society. juan: that was jeremy corbyn speaking. i wanted to ask you, in "no is not enough," you raise criticisms of why bernie sanders was not more successful during the primary campaign. you raise the issue that some people claim hillary clinton rolled identity politics as well as the machinations of democratic party to be able to persevere against him in that was an issue of identity politics versus class politics. but you raise some criticism on that. i'm wondering if you could expand. >> i endorsed bernie and support him. i think he is a tremendously
important voice and so grateful to him, but i don't think we do ourselves a service on the progressive side of the political spectrum -- those of us who do believe it is a moment for deep change as opposed to tose tinkering changes -- not engage in self-criticism in this moment. i am disheartened by the extent to which some of this debate is still frozen as if we are still in the primary and you still have people in their heart "burning would have one" camps and hillary supporters blaming bernie supporters for her defeat. we have to get out of that debate. i think among the people who did support bernie, like the many thousands of people who are at the people summit, i think it is very important to understand why bernie was not able to go all the way. he got 13 million votes. he took 22 states. -- anycloser than any
candidate who describes himself as a democratic socialist, campaign is a political revolution. it was incredible. but i don't think bernie lost the primary because the democratic base is too conservative for bernie. i think he lost the primary because he was not able to connect with, to speak to enough black and latino voters who tend to be more progressive than the rest of the democratic base. and also to older women who felt their issues were too much of an on.on or tqacked i think the best quote in my book is from michelle alexander. "ifsaid to me that progressives cannot do better job of connecting with black voters, understanding the role of race in american history and telling that story differently, they better get elon musk on
speed dial because they will need another planet." one of the things i found really inspiring about the people summit was i think that critique was embedded in the way the weekend was organized list of beginning with the voices of organizers, of color, the million hoodies movement, the chairs of the women's march including linda sarsour on the opening night speaking explicitly about the need for a deeply intersectional politics. kimberly crenshaw's important framing and saying, no, this is not a competition between class and economics and so-called identity politics. it is deeply interconnected, and we cannot understand the story of the united states and what this economy is without raise is usedhow systematically to devise a
wedge. i think the critique is making it in there. i do not make the critique in the book in the spirit of finger-pointing. it just because what we are seeing with berni'es candidacy, candidacy -- explained to it is, not to be confused with the new prime minister. >> in the recent french surprise, there was a where a very left-wing candidate come significantly to the left , running on aers campaign of deep redistribution of wealth in order to pay for lessocial -- it was a much xenophobic message. it was much more freely to refugees than we have been ,earing from french politicians
even on the so-called left. and antiwar message, a pro-peace message, making the connections as jeremy corbyn did between the failed war on terror model for intervention and terrorist attacks in france. in jeremy corbyn's case, and the u.k. i'm trying to get at the root caes. picked up 10 points. he searched at the end. campaign, andthe this is on the first ballot because the way the french elections were, they have multiple candidate in the first ballot and then they narrow it down to two candidates for the final vote. amy: for president. >> yes. all of a sudden, he is getting 70,000 people at rallies. his was the campaign that had the energy. he came within two points of marine le pen. he almost made it onto the second ballot, which would have meant it was a race between a
hillary-like neoliberal figure, which is who macron is, former banker who imposed economic austerity despite elon having won the election previously -- hollande having won the election previously. it would have been him versus lechon. as it turns out, a was wearing the pan versus -- it was marine le pen versus macron. my concern is after four years of the kind of privatization, deregulation, austerity politics that i think macron is most certain to impose on france, i'm worried about that setting the those people who have made direct allergies between trump and marine le pen as there holding up macron is if this proves neoliberalism can beat a candidate like trump.
marine le pen is not trump. the more accurate equivalent would be david duke. this is a party with ties to naziism historically that align themselves with the regime. the fact they got around 30% of the vote in france is absolutely shocking. it is nothing to feel complacent about. amy: we're going to go to break and come back to our discussion. we will talk about what trump recently did, pulling out of the paris accord as well as health care and where it goes in this country. naomi klein is from canada. we will talk about single-payer and what are its chances today as the senate supposedly in private is crafting a health care bill. we're talking to naomi klein. she has a new book out today called, "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." stay with us. ♪ [music break]
amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. juan: earlier this month, president trump announced he will withdraw from the united states from the landmark paris climate accord that was signed by nearly 200 nations in 2015. pres. trump: as of today, the united states will cease all implementation of the nonbinding pairs accord and the taccone and financial and economic burdens the agreement imposes on our country. juan: in his speech, trump said he wants to negotiate a better
climate deal. pres. trump: so we are getting out, but we will start to negotiate and we will see if we can make a deal that is fair. and if we can, that is great. and if we can't, that's fine. i am willing to immediately work toh democratic leaders either negotiate our way back into paris under the terms that are fair to the united states and its workers, or to negotiate a new deal that protects our country and its taxpayers. juan: naomi klein, a better deal? >> i just can't wait. it is been 25 years to get this deal. i'm looking for to another 25 years to get an even better -- when it comes to climate change, we've got nothing but time. sorry. unfair sarcasm for democracy now! everything about what he said is just so extraordinary.
in particular, this idea that the deal is unfair to the united states. that it is this true akoni and -- draconian, top-down. the deal is so weak. the reason it is week is because it does not impose anything on anyone. the people who made sure of that are the u.s. negotiators who fought tooth and nail -- and this is not under trump, this is under obama -- but in large part, because they had to bring the deal back to the u.s. if it was a binding treaty, they would've had to get it ratified houseepublican-controlled and they knew they couldn't. so the u.s. fought the world, which wanted a legally binding treaty, and said, well, then you won't have us involved. what the deal actually is is just kind of a patchwork of the best that every country could bring to the table. the u.s. brought obama's clean power plan, a plan to accelerate the decommissioning of coal-fired power plants, new
restrictions on new coal-fired power plants that would require they sequester more carbon. it was a fraction of what the u.s. needed to do to do it share of the goal of the paris accord, which is to keep warming below 1.5 to 2 degrees celsius. when that deal was announced, i joked that the governments of the world come together and said, we know it when he to do and we're willing to do roughly half that. if you add it up, what all of the governments brought to the table, it did not lead to a trajectory that would keep below warming of what they said it would, but lead to double that. but under trump, they had announced that were not even going to do that. this whole debate about harris was whether or not the u.s. was going to stay in the accord, but treat it as if it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on -- which would have had a very insidious, moral hazard for other governments because then if you have a volunteer good faith agreement and the largest economy in the world is treating
it like a joke ash which is what would have happened if trump had stayed. they made that clear as soon as they said they were rolling back the clean power plan. that would have encouraged other governments that were already starting to flip, like the government under trudeau in canada who made speeches and then approved two new tour since pipelines and cheered when president trump approved the keystone xl pipeline. that is three new -- juan: the impact on the climate change movement in the last three months. all of these reversals of trump. keystone, dakota access. what is your sense now of how the movement will be able to function?
shock of seeing trump in the rose garden just lifting that middle finger to the world, i think that is proving to be more of a catalyst for other countries and for state here in the u.s. and cities here in the u.s. to understand that this is the moment to step up, to increase ambitions. whereas i think if it had been more ambiguous and they had stayed in and sort of pretended like there was something happening -- what, is ivanka having a good influence on him? i don't think we would have seen this very bold response of having hundreds of mayors coming forward and saying, no, you're committed to paris. the mayor of pittsburgh saying, after trump said i was elected by the people of pittsburgh, not the people of paris, the mayor stepping up and going, "actually, you are not elect did in pittsburgh. pittsburgh voted for hillary. and i'm when you get the city of pittsburgh to 100% renewable by the year 2025." that is the level of ambition we need across-the-board we're going to hit that ambitious to better target.
i think this is -- i would like us not to be happening. we would like donald trump not to be president or have such an array of that options on the table, but given what we have, i would say that people are stepping up. that is what the climate movement needs to be doing, sending this clear message that because of the recklessness, because the u.s. at the federal level has gone rogue, at every level that trump does not control whether it is universities and our fossil fuel holdings, whether it is states and their ability to get to one header percent renewable very quickly -- one header percent renewable very quickly. city level. the at all of the areas were trump does not control things, there has to be a degree of ambition. thanks lee, the climate justice movement, i think is really focused on that and understand that is the mission now.
i think we're seeing more ambition, including universities being likelier to divest their holdings, putting financial pressure on the industry. amy: i want to ask about health care. you come from canada. this weekend, i mean, it was a major topic of discussion at the people's summit because you of national honors his united, 1000 or says at this 4000 person event -- where you had 1000 at this 4000 person event. you talk about how critical it upon what is happening. we just have this on monday senator sanders tweeted -- "breaking senate republicans just released a schedule of hearings, committee markups, public testimony for the health care bill." it includes a blank white piece of paper. momentt this be the where people across the country, in fact, some polls suggest the
majority of people in the u.s., would put forward something different from obamacare thomas certainly different from what the republicans are putting forward. what would that look like? >> this is starting to happen. i think this is also part of the sanders effect of seeing how popular it was to stand before the country and talk about single-payer on the canadian model. amy: yet he is not introduced a new bill. >> but in california, the senate just got one step closer, the california senate got one step closer to single-payer at the state level. there is a vacuum that is being the trump administration going rogue on all of these fronts. it is creating a space for boldness at the subnational, municipal level. climate is an example, health care is an example. imagine if we were to see this proliferate across the country as people realize and experience
in their lives that it is possible to have a far less bureaucratic system from a much simpler system of quality health care that is cheaper. this is what we have in canada. unfortunately, it has been under ceaseless attack by various politicians that have underfunded it, but it is still a good system despite what people here. you hear a lot of attacks on the canadian system. i don't went to idealize it him a but look at what happened with jeremy corbyn in the u.k. to bring him back into the conversation. some of his most powerful messages were about the nhs and what has happened -- the public health care system which has been systematically starved in order to get it ready for privatization. he just named that. he babies very powerful campaign ads, including dust he made very powerful campaign at, including one that featured nurses and
doctors including a nutrition who broke down crying about having to send a child to be hospitalized, 500 kilometers away from where his family lived where they could not visit him, and people stepped forward and were galvanized and reclaimed the system. when you have universal public health care, no politician can run against it. that is why they have to chip away at it bit by bit. every politician, no matter what party, will claim their defending the public health care system whether in the u.k. or canada because they will not get elected. so they try to kill it by 1000 cuts and say, it is impossible, the waiting lists are too long. the title of your book "no is not enough," you talk about the movement needed to have a vision of the world it once. talk about the leaked manifesto and what it represents. >> what i argue in the book is that the greatest victory of the
neoliberal project really comes back to what margaret thatcher many decades ago, which is that there is no alternative. that however bad these policies are for your life, the even worse.would be it would be sort of economic apocalypse. i think when we cast our minds back to the response to the 2008 crisis in the first wave of resistance like occupy wall street and the movement of the square across europe, that the spell of neoliberalism was breaking. people had the courage to say, no, we don't want this model. it lacked the courage to say, this is what we wanted that. this is the economy we believe is workable. in the time of unprecedented, privateealth to prode the basics for everybody. quality health care and education and housing for all. you know, we understand that war is making us less safe.
we want to be a society that welcomes refugees and those in need. a transformative vision. we believe we could do this in a way that gets us to 100% renewable energy as quickly as technology allows and create jobs. we were not there yet. we did not have the confidence yet. i think this is the hangover of neoliberalism. a that is chging. the leaked manifesto is an example of that in canada, movements coming together endorsed by 220 organizations, very broad range of organizations from small grassroots groups to large ngos, the largest trade union in canada, labor federations coming together to try to sketch out that yes, what is a progressive trade policy and how do we get -- make this bold transition office fossil fuels in a way the begins to heal some of the wilds that date backo the -- wounds that puts indigenous rights at
the center of it, racial justice at the center of it that connects migration to, change, to work, should bad trade deals. it is not a perfect document, but an example of what i described in the book as a reawakening of utopian imagination. i would point to the vision for black lives in this country, the document that came out during the election campaign out of the movement for black lives -- which is incredibly bold people's platform. we are in this moment in the trunk resistance where there is a lot of uncertainty about what the electoral strategy is. i was at the people's summit. it was fantastic. but i did not leave it knowing what the plan was in the sense it was not clear who the candidates were going to be the next time around. it was not clear if it was inside the democratic party or people talking about wanting to form a party outside. i certainlyestion cannot settle. i am not in a position to settle this. what i do know a social movement
are suring. i think we're in a position where we could have really bold people's platforms that emerge from below. there lots of example starting to happen as events come together out of their silos to get clear on what the demands are, what the yes is, and then whoever the politician is, whoever the party is, they have to follow that people's platform. amy: and the media has to be there, too. you had the globe and mail calling the week manifesto national suicide. >> that may have been "the national post." they were calling it madness. they were like, that is insane. it will kill the country. amy: do you see the media changing as more and more people joined the media different ways? >> whatever national newspapers that ran 35 negative articles about the leaked manifesto and refused to publish one letter to
the editor trying to correct the record. people kept signing it. the tools.have it is a 1400 word document. people can read it themselves and make up their own mind. i think there is such a distrust punditocracy.onal amy: ultimately, do you hold out hope? >> i think this is a moment when the aggressive ideas are more popular than they have been in my lifetime, but on the other hand, so our white supremacist ideas. and that is playing out on real bodies in real time on the streets. it is a race against time. amy: gnomic line best-selling , author, journalist, and a columnist for the intercept. her latest book, just out, is titled "no is not enough: resisting trump's shock politics and winning the world we need." that does it for our broadcast.