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>> you'll have guests on the show? >> lots of guests on the show, including i hope some of you ladies. >> oh. >> i dignify you as ladies. >> everybody have a great weekend. "america reports" now. >> john: centers for disease control announcing moments ago it will end title 42 exclusions on may 23. the trump-era policy limited the number of migrants coming into the country during the pandemic. >> sandra: and border experts say it will likely lead to a surge in the number of people that are coming into this country. in just moments, former vice president mike pence will give us his reaction. >> john: fox news alert to kick off "america reports," a
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possible shift in the war in ukraine. the governor of a russian region accusing ukraine of flying helicopter gun ships beyond its own border and attacking an oil storage depot. the question now is ukraine going from defense to offense? a lot of people are skeptical. john roberts in washington. sandra, we made it to friday. >> sandra: we did indeed. this is "america reports," and this is day 37 of this war, and there is no let-up with the russian onslaught as we learn more about the scale of the devastation on the ground in that country. city leaders in mariupol say it will cost at least $10 billion to rebuild infrastructure left in ruins from russia's bombardment. >> john: and red cross is making a new push to rescue people from the besieged city. busses were blocked from leaving
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yesterday. >> sandra: ukraine, we find alex hogan, live from lviv at this hour. >> we are hearing sirens here in lviv for the first time today. on the other side of the country, russia says it will open up the corridor between mariupol and another town to allow evacuations but the words met with a lot of skepticism and fear because of failed evacuations taking place there just yesterday. so far we know that roughly 2,000 people have managed to make it out safely today. the mayor this week said 100,000 people remained trapped in that city. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says russian forces have cut off the town both by land and sea. simply leaving the city is no longer possible. there are dozens of russian checkpoints, and yesterday russian forces blocked 45 busses attempting to bring out civilians. the only ones who made it out were people travelling in their
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private cars, and that is not all. russian forces confiscated 14 tons of humanitarian aid and new right now, we are hearing the red cross has announced it is pausing evacuations just because of the potential danger in this area. now, looking further west, ukrainian forces in the city of mykolaiv are armoring themself to not become the next mariupol. this week russia targeted a nine-story government building killing 20 people and wounding 30 others. a funeral taking place for one of the innocent bystanders killed in the russian shelling today, his family sobbing as the casket was lowered into the ground. ukrainian defense ministry says 148 children so far have died in the war, even the priest shaming russia's attacks. >> they don't believe either in holy bible or christ or truth. they don't believe in anything. >> humanitarian aid groups say
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the death toll will only continue to rise as occupied lands cut off lifelines of food, clean drinking water, medical supplies and warm clothes for the more than 6 million ukrainian internally who are displaced. we are seeing advances around mariupol, meanwhile in the luhansk and donetsk areas, ukrainian troops have been able to hold their ground with russian troops not claiming any new territory, at least not in the last 24 hours, john. >> john: alex, here at the touch screen, i want to point out something you have been reporting all day. we don't have the city marked here on the map, but right about here, belgarad, the area which a lot of the initial invasion came into kharkiv. the russians are saying some ukrainian attack helicopters flew across that border and attacked a fuel depot in there. that would seem to be difficult,
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at best, given all the air defense russia has. >> exactly, russia says it took place early in the morning, ukraine has not confirmed any of that. if anything, they are saying they don't know anything about the incident. russia says that two people were injured in that attack. there is no word or confirmation from ukraine it was at their hands, especially right now there is a lot of confusion of realistically would that even take place. all hands right now are defending their territory. ukrainian president zelenskyy says they anticipate more attacks, specifically in the donbas area, all of their efforts are protecting their land and getting humanitarian aid to places like mariupol. >> john: given everything going on in this area and around here, you wonder why they would fly across the border and do that, a lot of talk whether it's a false flag attack on the part of the
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russians to suggest that ukraine was getting newly aggressive. we'll check with you later on. >> sandra: russian oil depot 22 miles from the border with ukraine. national security correspondent jennifer griffin joins us. the latest from the pentagon and what they are learning about that at this hour, jennifer. >> the pentagon is remaining mum on whether or not it was a pair of mi-24 helicopter gun ships that fired on the depot john was referencing, 30 miles inside russia and whether they were ukrainian or not. the ukrainians do have mi-24 helicopter gun ships. satellite imagery from the area has been shrouded in cloud cover. early this morning the governor of the region in russia says it was a pair of helicopters that fired on the oil depot used by russia, resulting in a ball of fire scene from across the city
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before sunrise. ukrainian officials would not confirm they were behind the strike, the first attack inside russia by ukrainian forces since the start of the war. significant escalation and message to moscow. >> i can neither confirm more reject the claim that ukraine was -- military information. >> the u.s. is facing criticism from members of the ukraine parliament and congress that it is not sending enough lethal aid into ukraine fast enough. >> we are asking to abandon this artificial distinction between offensive and defensive weapons. we are defending our land. in our situation, all types of weapons are defensive. >> the pentagon pushed back on
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the idea that u.s. weapons and security assistance shipments to ukraine have slowed. all of the $350 million in u.s. weapons shipments pledged on the 26th have arrived to ukraine, by john kirby, and $200 million worth of aid afterwards. kirby said weapons began flowing within days of the president signing off on the recent $850 million in lethal aid. >> from the time he signed the order to the first shipment going on its way was like four days. i've never seen the department of defense be able to move with this sense of speed as i have in just the last few weeks. >> meanwhile, russia has redirected 2,000 russian troops based in georgia as part of its occupation since 2007. another sign that russia has lost more troops than it would like to admit inside ukraine. sandra. >> sandra: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon, thank you.
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>> john: bring in the former vice president, mike pence to join us. mr. vice president, i want to ask you about ukraine in a second. but first of all the news in the last half hour the centers for disease control is going to end title 42 exclusions for migrants across the border, on may 23. your expectation for what will happen when that's lifted? >> the worst border crisis in american history, even worse. but they have by repealing title 42. our administration asserted as a part of an overall strategy to secure our border that included building a wall, establishing a remain in mexico policy, the biden administration also rescinded on day one. this is going to continue to
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exacerbate across the border that is besetting not only border states but impacting people all across this country. i saw some estimate the other day that right now we have about 7,000 people crossing our border illegally every day. that's expected to go up to 18,000 if they repeal title 42, simply allowed us to be able to return people to mexico immediately as the pandemic approached, and that in combination with remain in mexico, john, that actually reduced illegal immigration during the trump-pence administration by 90%. seems to me the biden administration is intent on driving an agenda that can only be described as open borders. the american people are not having it, they want secure borders, they want an end to the crisis of illegal immigration. this will only make it worse.
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>> sandra: mr. vice president, welcome. the party is warning of political implications of a move like this. as we near the midterm elections, they are warning that this administration is woefully unprepared to handle currently the expected and projected surge of migrants that this means for the southern border. what do you predict would be the political implications as we watch this play out over the spring and summer? >> well, look. the president's approval ratings are at historic low, there's no question it's going to continue to drop. i mean, we have a 40-year high in inflation, we have a crime wave in many of our major cities. and i have to tell you, everywhere i travel across the country, the american people took great pride in the fact we essentially ended the crisis of illegal immigration at our southern border and this administration from day one has been driving a left wing open borders agenda.
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they stopped construction on the wall, they rescinded remain in mexico, tremendous success between our country and neighbors to the south and now the news the c.d.c. will repeal title 42, profound implications, well beyond politics. people are suffering on both sides of the border. the cartels across the northern triangle, they exploit vulnerable families and they take american dollars to haul them on a dangerous journey north to our border. by repealing title 42 and continuing this open borders policy, they are simply to be more hardship on vulnerable people to the south and illegal immigration has immense cost, not just on border states but frankly on the fabric of our nation, and it really is a disgrace that the administration would literally take us from the
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frying pan to the fire where a crisis on the southern border, and now their intent next month making it even worse by repealing title 42. >> john: swing back to ukraine if i could, admiral john kirby confirmed the secretary of defense has not been able to get in touch with his russian counterparts regarding ukraine. >> we have tried to reach out to our counterparts, minister of defense and a general, chairman of the joint chiefs equivalent in russia and unsuccessful. they have not been willing to pick up the phone and have a conversation. >> john: what do you think the significance is, they do not want to talk to secretary austin or maybe not available to come to the phone? >> well, i'm more concerned about this administration sending a clearer message to president zelenskyy and
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courageous fighters in the ukrainian army. i mean, the fact is that the administration was slow to impose sanctions, they were slow to move forward on providing military supplies. i don't know for the life of me why those migs are still parked in poland. you know, karen and i were just on the border, the polish border. we actually went into ukraine and met with refugee families that in some cases had traveled for days with small children to make their way to the border. i mean, this russian invasion is a travesty, it is costing lives and we ought to be giving the ukrainian military every resources that we have available and our allies have available to defend themselves. there is some indication that at least they have stopped the russian advance, exacted tremendous costs on the russian military. we hear the transfer of troops now from georgia. all of that is a credit to
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president zelenskyy, a credit to their courageous fighters but we need to make it clear to the ukrainian people that we are with them and we need to continue to bring sanctions down harder and harder on putin, on the ol -- oligarchs, and call allies around the world to join us. >> sandra: this is day 37 of this war and there is signs of optimism from the ukrainian leadership, including zelenskyy he will join bret baier tonight for an interview, hopefully we will hear more about his strategy to win the fight, but signs that vladimir putin too is showing strength when it comes to the rebound of the ruble and others. are you looking to the future and imagining how this ends, and how long it takes to come to some sort of conclusion with this fight? >> look, i have had the
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privilege to spend time with president zelenskyy, i was impressed from the first time we met in 2019 and i've been inspired by his leadership. also stood toe to toe with vladimir putin. i'll tell you something, putin only understands strength and the american people, our hearts are with the people of ukraine. we ought to be giving them everything they are asking for to defend themselves. we ought to be surging more humanitarian supplies in, we ought to be ratcheting up sanctions. it's only with american strength and rallying our western allies that we'll be able to really return peace to ukraine and have any chance of seeing the ukrainian military drive putin back out of their country, but it's going to require more resolute demonstration of american strength than we are seeing today. the very idea that the biden administration is working with
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russia to try and convince iran to get back in the iran nuclear deal -- these are the kind of messages of weakness the american people are not having it. make no mistake about it, part of that american strength is unleashing american energy. they were right to sanction 100% of the oil and gas exports from russia, but we ought to be turning loose american energy production and exports instead of the war on energy the biden administration has waged since day one. >> john: which actually brings me, mr. vice president, to the point i was about to ask you, announcement yesterday by the president he is going to release 100 million barrels of oil for 180 days, and your administration did it twice, to try to mitigate prices, and that
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was when the production was all-time high. the amount of oil is less than the amount of oil we are pumping, less than we were back in november of 2019. so is this the right policy? >> the idea that we would use the strategic petroleum reserve to buy down $0.35 on a gallon of gas is absurd. i mean, that -- that reserve exists to address national emergencies, times of war, and as you said in our administration, we released from the reserves when we were at full production, when we were a net exporter of energy for the first time in 70 years. and i have to tell you, as i travel around the country, i think it's incomprehensible to the american people that we are negotiating with iran to lift sanctions presumably to buy more oil, and we have sent a
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delegation to venezuela to the dictator maduro to presumably begin to beg for more oil from venezuela when we have vast reserves of oil in this country that have been shut down by this administration, shut down leases on public lands, shut down the keystone pipeline, anwar, and the president in europe was talking about providing more natural gas to europe to offset the sanctions we placed on russia, but then everyone debated well, who would we not be exporting to? we are the saudi arabia of natural gas. we would be developing our resources and return to that robust american energy development strategy that existed under the trump-pence administration. but that's all part of the kind of american strength that would lead us back to prosperity to lower gas prices and frankly i think it will help set the table
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to quiet the raging violence and war. american strength is the antidote to this moment at home and abroad. >> sandra: you are saying that because you've had an inside look how the energy industry works in this country and right now this administration is questioning the motives of our oil and gas companies, suggesting that somehow they are purposely inflating prices for their own profits, and not only that, blaming the price hike at the gas pump on the pandemic and putin's war, when clearly we can show you this, this is the price of gasoline on biden's first day in office, 2.39, the day, the first day of the russian invasion of ukraine, it was already at 3.54. so, clearly in president biden's first year in office gas prices, food prices, fuel prices were already on the rise.
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so, mr. vice president, can you give us a look at the energy industry? are we capable of increasing enough production to meet global demand to bring those prices down? how do we do it, and how could the biden administration send that message to those that are producing the oil? >> well, of course we can, sandra, we have to unleash american energy and to see the president say high gasoline prices are a result of the war in ukraine, it's a result of the war on energy. shut down the keystone pipeline, shut down anwar, shut down leases for oil and natural gas on public lands and that's why we started to see this skyrocketing of gasoline prices. you know, i've been around the oil business my whole life. my family was in the gas station business when i was growing up, and i got to tell you, the idea that they are blaming the industry, that they are actually
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threatening on raising taxes on the industry instead of simply saying go develop our natural resources, go develop in a responsible way the oil and natural gas resources of this country. what we proved in the trump-pence administration, how quickly things can turn around. it's amazing to think in less than three years america became a net exporter of energy for the first time in three-quarters of a century, and all of that got shut down under the biden administration and i must tell you, it has made america weaker as a result, it's hurting families at the pump, and soon in their utility bills. inflation at a 40-year high, energy is a big piece of it. we have to get back to an american agenda that really allows the american people to develop all the resources of our land and allows the marketplace
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to work as a most powerful economy can do its thing. >> john: some people want to raise taxes on the industry, one is a california congressman and he will join us in the next hour to explain why he wants to do that. mr. vice president, as always, thanks for speaking with you. >> sandra: thanks so much. >> great to be with you. >> sandra: march job numbers are out today. the economy added 431,000 jobs, while the unemployment rate that headline rate fell to 3.6%. jerry baker is here, editor at large, wall street journal on fox business. anything to add what we just heard from the former vice president there? interesting discussion based on the fact that he was part of an administration that was very pro energy and we were living under a much different -- i'll talk about the picture, but certainly when it comes to energy prices then. >> yeah, the u.s. was, still is, still has the capacity to be energy self-sufficient.
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largest in the world and tremendous potential to produce even more. it has been the policy of the biden administration and they cannot have it both ways, trying to say on the one hand, getting fossil fuels and trying to shut down the fossil fuel business, long-term goal, and the same time, say actually we are doing all we can to increase oil output because we know people are hurting because of prices. >> sandra: and if you are sitting on a lease and not tapping into the lease then we are going to fine you for doing so. p>> blaming everybody, blaming vladimir putin, the oil companies. >> sandra: moment in history we are living through. this jobs report, did you take away it's a good snapshot of the economy and the recovery we are in? >> economy got hit hard by the pandemic two years ago, and coming back since then. unemployment rate is back down to where it was two years ago, created a significant number of
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jobs. so you are seeing recovery. biden administration wants to claim it's all their policies, this is a recovery from the deep hole. >> sandra: a rebound. >> exactly, a rebound. worrying thing, sandra, as good as the jobs numbers are, and they are, no question about it, inflation has taken off, we have inflation probably hit double digits in the next couple of months, and the federal reserve is going to have to tighten the monetary policy, raise interest rates significantly and rapidly, put the brakes on the economy. >> sandra: despite what you just said, president biden and team are taking credit for the rebound, listen. >> our policies are working, and we are getting results for the american people which is what it's all about to state the obvious. record job creation, record unemployment declines, record wage gains, people are making more money. they are finding better jobs. >> sandra: people are making more money. dig into that and on the screen. wage growth is up.
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we have been waiting for that, it's happening. great. but while wages are up 5.5%, jerry, inflation is up much more, almost 8%, and that is wiping out all that wage growth. that's a problem. >> economists talk about real wage growth, measured against the rate of inflation and on the screen you saw clearly, wages are declining in terms of the purchasing power, the ability to -- real wages, declining. people are getting poorer because prices are going up so much. even though they are getting significant wage increases in terms of catch terms, the rates have to raise a faster rate. it's not all the biden administration fault, but no question they made that significantly worse by pumping in $2 trillion into the economy, additional into the economy last year when it was not needed and some of their own economists are
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saying don't do this. >> sandra: and small businesses now pay their workers while also battling inflation and high prices they are having to pay for their business. >> the inflationary spiral, in order to pay that, they have to put up their cost. chasing our tail with inflation and it's going to get very damaging. >> sandra: jerry baker, thank you very much. >> john: justice department probe into hunter biden is picking up steam, and the mainstream media is finally saying oh, maybe there is something there. following the story from the beginning, not the sort of person to say i told you so, but told you so. >> sandra: and millions of ukrainians left their homes behind as we know, but now some of those refugees, they are heading back. why they want to return to their country and what they hope to find there.
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>> john: justice department is shifting the years' long investigation into hunter biden into high gear and the mainstream media is finally woken up and smelled the coffee, giving the story some air time. miranda joins us now, she broke the scandal in 2020. wrote a book about it. so, you have literally written the book about this as i said in the tease, i don't expect you the sort of person to say i told you so but i bet you are thinking it. >> hi, john. well, i guess there is some satisfaction in the fact that the rest of media is catching up with what is an enormous story. it involves the sitting president who was former vice president and these payments from china and russia and ukraine and other countries were
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happening at the time that he was vice president and his family, his son and his brother were monetizing his influence in the countries that he had control of as point man, you know, he was point man for under the obama administration. >> john: back in the fall of 2020 when you first published this story, fox news was covering it as well, came out, debate was happening in nashville to say that he had had a relationship with hunter biden and the emails were authentic and the mainstream media was ignoring it or playing it down, parroting democratic talking points this was all "russian disinformation." why is it, do you think, that suddenly the "new york times," "washington post," and some other mainstream media outlets are saying you know what, maybe there is something there? >> i think it's because they are trying to get out ahead of the grand jury investigation that's been going on since 2018 into
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hunter biden in delaware, and that picked up pace in recent months. we know that hunter biden's former business partner gave evidence last summer. others of his partners have been approached and, by the grand jury, some have testified, i think, or at least have been called up. and also two of his former girlfriends have testified about his spending habits. so, all together there are allegations of tax evasion, money laundering, and violations of the foreign registration act and those are serious charges if an indictments are brought and i guess those left wing publications did not want their readers to be blind sided and to realize they have been kept in the dark the last 18 months, which they have been. if you are a viewer of fox news or reader of the new york post you have known about this story, all the details for 18 months.
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it's just the other half of the population that is in the dark and that's a serious issue because we published three weeks before the election. we have polls showing that biden voters, if they had known about this, 10% of them would have changed their vote. >> john: what do you think the implications for joe biden are here, any legal exposure, clearly not as president, but maybe after he leaves office? >> well, it's kind of above my pay grade. all i can say is that he was involved in these corrupt influence pedelling schemes, and he was on speaker phone at various places around the world and hunter biden used him and brought him in with his
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awareness into i guess impressing his partners, his future investors, and joe biden told the american people before the election that he knew nothing about his son hunter's private business dealings. there is also some evidence from the laptop of money going from hunter biden to joe biden. so certainly at the very least questions to be asked. >> john: we will see where this goes. you had it before anyone else. miranda devine. >> sandra: more than 4 million ukrainians have fled their homes, but now some are making their way back into the country. hi, she has the story for us. >> here in poland, the people you talk to say it's simple, why would they go back to see their family, they were forced to flee
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with pretty much the clothes on their back, could not even say good-bye to family and friends, husbands and sons had to stay and fight. so, they say why wouldn't they go back. i'll step out of the way to get a closer look at what we are seeing inside of this train station here in poland. volunteers here tell me each day thousands of refugees have boarded trains and returned back to ukraine, which is shocking for some, because so many people are fleeing as well. here is a look at video a short time ago of a line of people on a train or about to board a train leaving tonight for ukraine, stopping in lviv first. others are leaving because they cannot wait to get out of poland, it's so full of people and have not been able to find many resources or a place to stay. so for them, it's time for them to go back. a live look at the train station. refugee workers say the information about russia allegedly taking out some of those troops, withdrawing,
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sandra, is some of the reason the people are also going back. some refugee workers say it's misinformation but the people have checked in with family members and feel right now is a safe time to go home. listen. >> the whole country was scared because they didn't know how many bombs russia have, so now people can see in their city is safe, so they can go back home. some i'm going to. >> you can see the people behind me that have their bags, suitcases, they are also leaving for ukraine tonight, but still a lot more shelling that is happening right now. so, is it safe, some of these people don't have the best idea. have to stay in close contact with people heading back to their homeland, sandra. >> sandra: incredible story each and every one of them. alexis mcadams in poland, thank. and we will have more with special anchor report with bret
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baier, ahead of his interview tonight with president zelenskyy. hear firsthand from the man leading the country against vladimir putin's brutal assault. >> john: looking forward to having him in the studio. fox corporation leading an effort to raise money for the red cross in response to the war in ukraine, as you can imagine, money and supplies desperately needed. red cross teams are on the ground in ukraine doing their part to help innocent civilians and refugees. $13 million has been raised. if you would like to for these efforts, very easy to do. and give whatever you want. >> sandra: president biden meanwhile turning to the emergency oil reserve to try and bring down those sky high gas prices. but will a million barrels a day if we can pull it off be enough to cover our country's daily
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mcdaniel, turning dystopian ultra woke propaganda arms to the left, and seize american institutions to their warped point of view, and now in the movies the kids watch and in school. >> thank you for having me. i think the democrats should have learned their lesson from glenn youngkin's victory in virginia, parental rights are a big driving factor in the election and if they want to make -- take their stand in the 2022 midterms, taking away the rights whether children are taught transgender theology in kindergarten and third grade, it's a big mistake. the republican base is hugely energized.
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republicans had 11 points enthusiasm, that is now 17 point enthusiasm. so the last time it happened in 2010, republicans gained 60 seats in the house. so they don't need to energize their base, they need to reach out to swing voters and other people to consolidate their victory, focussing on the mistakes about the economy and gas prices and inflation and all the rest. >> john: at the same time, marc, if you look at the experience in virginia, education not only energized conservatives but independents who voted for glenn youngkin. and disney world park goers seem to care about this. >> annual passes expired in february, we did not renew them because of our displeasure with the way disney has gone overall, not just on that particular
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issue, but on all their wokeness. >> we have been going to disney a long time and we are tired of the extreme changes that they seem to think are pleasing everyone when if they actually spoke to the people in the park, they would find out they are not. >> it is disney's constitutional right of being in this wonderful country if they believe their thoughts, that that bill should be repealed. that's their belief, and that's their rights. >> john: a mixture there of people who think it's disney's right to do whatever they want, they are a corporation, but this is the magical place everyone is welcome, and they are saying that you know, people with certain views that diverge from theirs may not be as welcome as others. >> yeah, i guess they probably cannot refer to mickey and minnie anymore, interchangeable. the reality is, if they want to take on desantis, it's a losing
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issue for the democrats. but the way that republicans should handle this, we have the worst inflation in 40 years, we have the worst highest gas prices in american history, worst border crisis in american history, worst crime wave, and the democrats are forcing the children, woke ideology about transgender. that's a winning issue, sure, focussed on the wrong thing. but i think that we need to focus on -- republicans need to focus on those issues i just cited. fact the biden administration is not addressing the inflation, not addressing the gas prices, not -- that they are making the border worse by getting rid of title 42. these are going to deliver the election for republicans in 2022. >> sandra: telling the next few months. and disney, wherever it is they are worried about the bottom line, they are looking to expand in countries, including anti-gay
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countries, against the law and punishable to be gay, but they appear to not have a problem doing business there, marc. >> of course not, and they are fine making things in china in the country that has uyghurs and slave labor camps but ron desantis is wrong. one thing republicans should be taking to woke corporations is look, when your businesses were of under assault from an economy, higher taxes, higher spending, you were focussed on this. when republicans come back into power, and soon, when you come to power and say we would like our taxes reduced, we are going to remember this. and corporate america was not on the right side of the fight of the biden era. they were not fighting the spending, not fighting taxes, not fighting all these other things. they were focussed on culture issues, and trying to virtue
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signal to america and republicans will remember that when we come back in power. >> john: democrats accuse republicans of igniting culture wars. but a situation like in virginia where parents were told look, you shouldn't have a say in your child's education, and now in florida you've got disney, and other woke corporations saying this, don't say gay bill, which does nothing of the sort, it just would not allow schools to teach between kindergarten and third grade about sex and about gender and things like that. i mean -- parents begin to feel powerless here, and that really is a motivating factor when it comes to how they vote. >> 100%. and one of the things to turn the election is putting this issue aside as just one element of that, is the school board vulnerable, all these parents who are sick and tired of the teachers' unions, dictating what is best for parents and adults and not best for kids, teaching
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woke ideology on race and on gender, who are getting rid of gifted and talented programs in the name of diversity, who are doing -- you know, all these issues and telling parents they have no say in all this. that's a very potent issue, and to the extent a sub set of the larger issue, who is in charge of raising your children, that should be parents and if the democrats are on the wrong side of that. >> sandra: thank you, marc. >> john: customs and border patrol busted a huge human smuggling ring in texas, 70 migrants stuffed inside the back of a trailer, stunning numbers of so-called got-aways who slipped past the border patrol. bill is live in eagle pass, texas with that full story. bill, you've been bringing us more remarkable pictures of what's going on down there at the border. >> john, good afternoon to you.
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jaw-dropping, spoke with several sources telling me in the last six months alone, more than 300,000 known got-aways past the border, including 62,000 last month in march alone. you do the math on that, that's upwards of 2,000 got-aways every single day last month. and as you take a look at video we previously shot at the border of runners and got-aways, explain what a known got-away is. a migrant crosses the border and caught on a camera or sensor, agents see footprints in the sand but don't have the man power to get to them. they take the information and add it up and record known got-aways. del rio sector where we are, more than 700 every day in the last month. tucson sector in arizona, number two, more than 500 every single day. as you look at more video we shot last night, with troopers out in the open remote brushy
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areas where they are tracking down runners, these sources are telling me the true number is going to be much higher than just 300,000 in total. that only accounts for the ones they know about. there are migrants who get past border patrol without a record or any kind of camera hit or sensor hit and will never know what the number is. but these numbers are absolutely staggering, and it's so important to catch those runners, the guys who don't want to be caught because there is a criminal element. case in point out here live, just yesterday border patrol reported here in eagle pass arrested a convicted a convicted murderer. >> sandra: and reaction to the lifting of title 42, with that decision announced a few moments ago, being wonder what the reaction is there. we are hearing reaction from washington and not just
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republicans upset about this, it is democrats. and now joe manchin calling it a frightening thing, controlling the influx of migrants at the southern border, says we are facing an unprecedented increase in migrants and will only get worse if the administration ends the title 42 policy warning that this must stay in place, bill. >> sandra, to speak frankly, what we are hearing from everybody on the ground, border patrol, c.b.p., an absolute disaster may 23 when title 42 drops and i was stunned to hear d.h.s. project they are expecting upwards of 18,000 illegal crossings every single day when that happens. what we are being told is if that were the case, keep in mind, we are at 7,000 a day now, more than a doubling of the current situation and border patrol is already overwhelmed. what we are told, say good-bye to border agents on patrol when title 42 drops.
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they are already overwhelmed and when you talk about surging more than double the current numbers, that means agents will be incredibly busy doing paperwork, processing, talking to the family unit. barely any left out here on the front lines to catch these runners, to catch those got-aways, and it's so important to have the agents on the front line because they are the ones capitol hilling the criminal elements. criminals are not walking up to border patrol and giving themselves up. they don't want to be caught and they are effective at getting away. back to you. >> sandra: okay, live from the border, thank you, bill. >> john: new at 2:00, president biden boasting about the economy following the march jobs report but still struggling. what's the fix? larry kudlow has a few ideas. he joins us coming up. plus, bret baier, democratic congressman ro khanna in the
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>> sandra: begin a new hour 2:00 p.m. on the east coast. president of ukraine president zelenskyy is sitting down with bret baier for a one-on-one interview, and fox news exclusive and see it in the entirety tonight. >> john: and bret will join us live with some excerpts from that, but begin with breaking news on the economic front. >> sandra: a lot of it. president biden touting march's job report even after it did come in under expectations. the u.s. was able to add 431,000 jobs last month with the unemployment rate falling to some of the lowest levels we have seen since february of 2020, before the onslaught of the pandemic. 3.6%. while there were some gains, critics are saying it does not paint the full employment
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picture. welcome to a second hour on this friday afternoon. >> john roberts in washington. inflation is soaring as prices for food and fuel is sitting at record highs. just yesterday, the president ordered the release of a million barrels of oil each day for the next 180 days. analysts point out the release will not even cover two weeks' use of normal oil consumption in the united states. republicans also say the timing is nothing more than a political stunt as the move is set to expire just before the midterms. >> sandra: interesting. larry kudlow is here to give us his take in just a moment. >> john: first to the white house, and jacqui heinrich has the news out of there. >> we talked to the president briefly this morning, he spoke about eight minutes, commenting on the jobs added in the month of march, and he notably did not
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answer any shouted questions on inflation, saying there will be plenty of time for that next week. we will hope that he in fact takes them next week from us. but i believe in these remarks, the first time we have heard the president not only blame vladimir putin for the high gas prices, but also for higher food prices. he framed the strategic petroleum reserve as a wartime bridge to increase oil supply as domestic producers ramp up output. somewhat notable framing as the u.s. is not currently at war. listen. >> we need to do more to get prices under control. putin's invasion of ukraine has driven up gas prices and food prices all over the world. yesterday i authorized the release of 1 million barrels a day the next six months from our strategic petroleum reserve. acknowledge this by far is the largest release of our national
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reserves in our history. it is a wartime bridge, the way i look at it, to increase the oil supply as we work with the u.s. oil producers to ramp up production, to get us through this period. >> we just learned jared bernstein will join us in the briefing this afternoon to talk about the economics, and jen psaki is going to be leaving the white house podium for a gig at msnbc. sources told me they beat out cnn in a bidding war over jen psaki. her last briefing was before the president's trip to europe because she got covid, but just learned she's going to be back in today's briefing as well. it's unclear whether it might be the last time or one of the last times we hear from her ahead of her departure this spring for her show at msnbc, some questions about her ethical ability to answer in her official capacity in the white house from what would but her future colleagues now that news
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of her coming gig is out, john. john jacqui, thank you. >> sandra: larry, where do we start? i guess we'll dig into the economic report we got this morning and you tell us what to take away. jobs report, 431,000 jobs added, unemployment rate, 3.6%, any other point in history we would say it's, on paper a very strong report. is it? >> this is a very strong report. >> all right. >> and plus 95,000 for revisions, so it's actually 526,000. it's a good number. even the weight side, average earnings are up. if you calculate wages right, earnings times hours worked, a lot of people don't do it and they should, 12% increase in total wages for the last 12 months and that's pretty close. an income report this week for the month of february.
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wages and salaries are up 11.5%. i know the c.p.i. is up 8% and i believe it's going to get up to about 10%. but right now in the aggregate, wages are rising. >> sandra: you are talking about inflation. the reason i prefaced the question with any other moment in history, it would be stellar but gobbled up. >> a lot of it is, but not all of it, and depends where you live. food prices up 8%, difficult, and food prices difficult, this is a very strong report, no other way to put it. yes, john. >> john: something these looming here as interest rates begin to tick up, and even more, whether or not people are going to be able to afford the houses they just recently bought or bought some time ago. writing in the wall street
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journal said the federal reserve will raise interest rates several more times to control inflation, that's driving up mortgage rates. median american household would need to devote 34% of its income to cover monthly payments on a medium priced home in january, and also what about all the people with arms, got them for two. something percent, what's going to happen for them and the housing market. >> 30-year fixed are all the way up to about 4.5%. a year ago or something like that, they were about 2.5%. giving you ballpark. but yeah, rate rises and one of the inferences from this jobs report today is that the fed is going to have to move more aggressively. so this quarter point, quarter point stuff is going to give way to 50 basis points you ask me,
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they ought to go 100 bases points, they are behind the curve. the fed is still buying mortgage back bonds, ok. so home prices on average are setting record highs, report up 20% and the fed is buying mortgage back bonds, really? i mean, doesn't make any sense at all. one of the stupider things i've ever seen. so, yeah, you've got issues here and the wage gains are going to be battling the inflation gains. right now the wage gains are slightly ahead of inflation. i don't think that's going to be the case. i don't think the job picture is going to stay this strong. but look at, we have talked about this, sandra, it's an inflationary boom. that's what we have. and in the early going it looks good, and then all of a sudden we have to take the punchbowl away, because inflation starts to gobble up income, gobble up wages. >> a result of surging demand,
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the case. as we came out of the pandemic -- >> overstimulated complee, that's what this is. >> then what are we doing about it? everybody turning to the white house, and did not look at how they are tackling inflation. >> more and americans get jobs as they do, it's good news for fighting inflation, good news for the economy and means the economy has gone from being on the mend to being on the move. policies are working and getting results for the american people which is what it's all about to state the obvious. >> sandra: i'll let you react to our policies are working but put this up on the screen. this seems to be the solution to sky high gas prices. releasing oil reserves from the s.p.r. but look what has happened. the two previous times the administration has done that, prices go back up. only a momentary effect of bringing the gas prices down.
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isn't that putting band aid on the problem and why aren't we addressing the energy policies to bring down the hikes? >> you are right. solution here not to take from spr, it's there for national security purposes as in a war in the middle east, or some kind of hurricane that would block out oil production in texas, for example. >> sandra: you did it under the trump administration. >> we had pandemic-related, what we did, and that qualified as a true emergency. what he's done now is he's stripped out about a third of the reserve so we will not be in a position to effectively deal with a true emergency. he's using it for price-fixing. that is not what the purpose of this is supposed to be. and the numbers here is a drop in the bucket. his six-month number would be 180 million, globally the demand
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is 18 billion. for that same six-month period, all right. so it's a drop in the bucket. a price drop yesterday on the announcement effect, my guess is, unless we produce more oil and gas, that price is going to go right back up again. this is a temporary band aid for political purposes. this is price-fixing, all that is, and it violates the whole idea behind having a strategic reserve. and that's most unfortunate. the other point about the economy is we have 11 million job openings and only about 6 million unemployed. now, i love the fact that unemployment rate is low, i like that. i also like the fact that wages are rising. but i'm just saying what's going to happen in the next year or so is that the inflation is going to overtake the wages, and the federal reserve is going to take away the punchbowl. so we are moving into a stagflation period that will not end well.
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today's job numbers were good, no way about it, but backdrop is not excellent. i have the crazy idea, why don't we stop deficit spending and stop the fed from pumping more and more cash into the economy. we've already -- >> sandra: too reasonable, larry, too reasonable. >> and john's point, we don't need 2.5 trillion of tax hikes. tax hikes will reduce supply. we need more supply, more labor, more investment, more productivity to solve our problems, thank you very much. >> sandra: amen. >> john: stopping deficit spending would be like stopping the sun from coming up every day. thanks, larry, good to see you. >> sandra: see you at 4:00. >> john: the president of ukraine right now speaking with bret baier for an exclusive ver view. bret will rush over to join us,
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and there are claims they are no longer make defense, but now could be going on the offense, launching attacks of their own. bret joins us coming up. >> sandra: we look forward to that. and insight on the war from the fox news correspondents covering the story from every angle. kyiv to the kremlin, poland to the pentagon, where they see this crisis headed next. veteran homeowners, need a financial boost? the newday 100 va loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value and take out up to $60,000 or more. give them a call. veteran homeowners, newday wants to help you use your va home loan benefit to get more. more cash, more savings, more peace of mind. the newday 100 va loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. up to $60,000 or more. veterans are saving an average of $615 every
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fighting. show you what we are talking about here just northeast of kharkiv, is the russian city of belogorod, and this is where a lot of the invasion into this area in kharkiv and sumy was launched from. about 30 miles from here to here, and the allegation is two mi-24 attack helicopters flew through dense russian anti-aircraft batteries, struck a fuel depot, yn why you do that as opposed to a military target, and then flew back into ukraine. a lot of people are saying they are not buying it, but that it was a false flag attack, and might affect the possibility of peace talks. going on around the northern part of ukraine, significant developments, we hear from the people in charge of the
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chernobyl nuclear power plant, all the russian forces have left there, and pulled back from the kyiv area to belarus, and also pulling back from the chernihiv area and ukraine is taking back some territory here near brovary, and sumy has not been surrounded, and the russian attack by izyum is blunted as well. the only place here in the donetsk and luhansk region, this is the donbas region and they still continue to try to gain control, they are not quite there yet, but as we know, this poor city and everybody who lives in it has literally been ground into dust. there's not a whole lot there left to claim, if you want to claim it other than the territory. but this could be significant if russia is trying, let me clear this off, trying to, as general david patareus and others have
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suggested, trying to launch a pinzer movement from the sought and the north, that's as much as a third of the ukrainian military, that would take a lot of people off the battlefield if they managed to do. so far, no indication they are going to be able to get there, and that's about where we stand right w, sandra. >> sandra: and all this is happening as russian forces continue to shell cities in ukraine, despite pledging to pull troops back and also the biden administration says it seems russian officials are not telling vladimir putin the truth about what is actually happening on the ground there. and so we are bringing in the team to ask our crews from here and abroad, jennifer griffin joins us, steve harrigan, and
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aishah, and steve, i know this is where your heart and mind are even as you sit here today. >> sandra, around 10 million people are currently internally displaced and you have so many others who left the country, about 4 million according to the united nations and they are the story here. the war continues, day 37 of the russian in contact tracing into ukraine, a violation of ukrainian sovereignty and a sense on the ground from the people, they continue to ask for aid from the international community and they understand just how dangerous things are for those who are caught and i don't want to describe it as crossfire. often times it's just the russians shelling different areas with civilians trying to push people out and move their forces forward. >> you know, jennifer, back to
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what we were talking about in terms of the russian advances, retreats and this alleged attack at the hand of the ukrainians on belgorod and the fuel depot, the generals, none can figure out why ukraine would want to do it, how they could do it, and looks like a rather pathetic attempt by russia saying oh, they are being mean to us. >> i don't know, john, i've been looking at the strike for the last few hours and i look at it a little differently than that. i don't think there is anything that suggests it's a false flag operation other than news reporting in a german newspaper. if you talk about why hit an oil depot, because it blows up. what do you get, you get a fire ball in the sky and you get to send a message to vladimir putin that we can get behind your lines. it's adding to the paranoia that vladimir putin might feel that he does not know who to trust,
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doesn't know if his general officer corps, if he can trust them or trust that his front line troops can stop this kind of attack. so i actually think the attack coming right now makes a lot of sense and ukrainian military special ops have a lot of capabilities. we have seen them do quite a number of things, and they have probably infiltrated across those lines into russia just as the russians have spies running around inside of ukraine, john. >> sandra: and steve, all of this is happening as the world is trying to predict vladimir putin's next move as you know, there is growing reporting that his closest advisors are not telling him what is actually happening on the ground there, and we are trying to decide if that's the case, what that means for what he may do next. >> it is such a scary scenario when the man in charge of a nuclear arsenal might not be being informed, might be isolated. and when you talk about predictions with this war, i
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think everyone has to try and stay humble, the predictions have been wrong from the get-go. almost no journalists, analysts thought they would launch the major invasion, and that ukraine would be able to fight as they are. and almost everyone has been wrong. you have to be careful what you predict next in the war. >> john: aishah hasnie, 10 million displaced internally in ukraine, millions flooding across the border and also seen some what and marginal return to normalcy in kyiv and people returning to the city. so the same number of refugees across the border. >> that's right, john. and trey made the point beautifully we are seeing so many internally displaced people within ukraine, so we talk about
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that 4 million number coming into countries like poland, but don't forget, all the people without homes inside ukraine, that could cross over at any moment if things were to get worse. and look, i have to just personally say as someone covering the war and here to also ensure the protection and dignity of the refugees, i'm completely overwhelmed by the nonprofits that are working on the ground and what the pols are doing for the people. i keep hearing from the mayors i talk to, a mayor from a border town and a mayor from warsaw, we have to get serious about this. we are in an emergency situation but now in week five and the war is not ending any time soon. it is dragging on and we have to get serious about long-term solutions. we have millions of refugees that are staying with people, staying in shelters, we have not seen any tent cities pop up, which is incredible, but what happens next. what now, what is the long-term
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solution, what do we do with these people? where do they stay in the long-term? we have more than half that are kids. how do we get them into a situation where they didn't feel they are in limbo, because they are stuck in limbo. they have to learn a new language, they have to go to school and how can they when there are mothers that don't want to enroll them in school because they think they are going to be able to go home soon. >> sandra: not just in limbo, but obviously in risk. seizing on the moment where a lot of these kids are getting separated from their families, orphans as you have seen obviously reporting. we spoke to somebody on the ground trying to find those orphans as best they can as this war continues. trey, i'll turn to you, you had to make your way out of the country and for those of us who have not seen that country and the decimating with our own eyes, talking about the billions of dollars it would take to eventually rebuild and replace the ruin of the infrastructure
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in that country and city. you took a train ride out of kyiv to lviv and then able to evacuate the country, but you obviously saw a lot as you were departing. >> look, the situation on the ground right now is changing very quickly, and for the civilians who are still stuck in country, they are witnessing the war unfold on day 37 and while people are cautiously optimistic at the recent territorial gains we saw in the map by john there, you have suburbs of the capital of kyiv, the war continues in the east and mariupol and the south, there are civilians trapped, there are efforts by the ukrainian forces to basically push back this russian offensive but they have been able to capture enough territory that this is not over. there will be front lines that continue to erupt in new places across the country, front lines maintained by russian forces and
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the ukrainians have pledged to guard the sovereignty of their country, so even if there is some sort of temporary ceasefire in place, something that allows the fighting to stop momentarily, there will be efforts by the ukrainian military, according to soldiers we spoke with to take back the territory currently controlled by russian forces. >> john: steve, a lot of talk what the end game is here, obviously it tried to be roll over ukraine as quick as possible, take out the leadership, install a puppet government, lead russian forces in to protect the new government and get on with life. that did not happen. and now putin has to try to go for something else. there is talk maybe he just wants the donbas region, maybe donbas plus mariupol and land bridge to crimea. what's your assessment what they will hang to and zelenskyy to agree to.
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>> i think vladimir putin has tasted blood and he wants to keep going until he entirely controls ukraine. i don't think he can do that but i think ceasefire or any such talk is just deception. i think putin is a constant, he has no opposition to worry about, no media to worry about. i think he thinks ukraine is not a country, and i think he thinks a free ukraine is a risk to russia's existence. i think he's going to keep going as long as he is in power. >> sandra: jen, it struck me on the program, we had the opportunity to talk to admiral john kirby at the pentagon and when i asked whether president biden is reaching out to speak with vladimir putin, admiral vir by said he and his team are having a hard time reaching their russian counterparts, they are not taking their calls and i don't know what you are being told, but what is the take away from that? >> it's very significant, and i agree with steve. there is no way that vladimir putin has shifted his goals, his
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goals were always to overtake all of ukraine and if anything, he's just more angry right now that it has not happened fast enough. he's regrouping. none of these withdrawals from around the cities are for real. they are tactical retreats to get resupply and reposition, and took my breath away seeing those young refugees getting on trains to go back into ukraine. that is entirely premature and it would break my heart to see them so optimistic heading back in because it's really not the time for that, but in terms of those phone calls, yes, the defense minister and the general who is the counterpart, not taking the phone calls. does that mean that they have been sidelined by putin, does that mean they are under durres, or orders not to talk to the americans. people at the pentagon means you don't have the line of communication if things were to
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escalate, and especially when you are talking about two nuclear powers. >> john: we have been hearing talk, aishah, that the face of modern europe has forever been changed by what's going on now. do you get the sense there? >> absolutely. and i think the pols understand that, you know. i've been saying this from the very minute i stepped foot in poland. honestly feels we are at the brink of world war iii. the pols are nervous, people i talk with here are nervous. i think they feel a little bit better after president biden's visit, of course the nato allies pledging their support but i think that people honestly are waking up to the fact that the population is about to change. you know, you are seeing ukrainians come in and while they feel like they will eventually go home, and you can't blame them. i think jen makes a great point but look at them and talk to them, there are a couple times i have weeped with mothers who talk about, you know, leaving everything behind, leaving their
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husbands, having to explain to their children why they can't see their fathers, that their families are still fighting back home, having to leave everything behind and being in a new country, you know, the pols and the ukrainians might have cultural similarities but they are two different languages, a language barrier, and then you are all of a sudden a guest in somebody's home and you want your independence back. you want to be able to feel like you can fend for yourself. we have seen that over and over again. so of course they want to go home, jump on the train and go back and fight and try to defend their home. no one wants to leave that behind. but i think everyone else is sort of, i would say, not staying quiet, but allowing them to hope that while at the same time trying to figure out a long-term solution, most certainly the mayors of these cities are trying to figure out we need some better coordination, especially with our allies. the u.s. offering 100,000 refugees to come into our
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country, it sounds great and it is an amazing gesture, but how many ukrainians will actually want to go halfway across the world when their families are still back home fighting the war. i mean, put yourself in their shoes. would you do that. so, it is a really awful situation when you think about what these families are going through right now. >> sandra: trey, a final thought to you and incredible thank you to all of you and all of our reporters on the ground and beyond that have been covering this war. trey, we would not know any of this if it wasn't for all of you journalists covering this war, and trey, you spent so many of those days and weeks on the ground and one of the scariest parts of that country, kyiv. go ahead, trey. >> look, this is not over, and it's day 37. but it will continue on and i echo my colleagues, jennifer and steve. the russians often say something publicly and then on the ground they do something completely different. and so the ukrainian president,
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volodymyr zelenskyy, the people and the military will look at the actions taking place on the ground. they are bracing for more days ahead of what could be very bloody conflict and they understand they are dealing with a military, the russians, led by someone who called the collapse of the soviet union the greatest geopolitical disasters of the 20th century. >> john: and ukraine was created by russia, ukraine was around before russia actually was. thanks for your work and your terrific reporting, and joining us. appreciate it. >> sandra: bret baier, we are told he has just wrapped that interview. he's been sitting down over the past few minutes with ukraine's president, fox news will bring details from that and the news from that as soon as we have it. and bret will join us. >> john: and later on, the
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>> sandra: the t.s.a. is starting a new gender neutral screening process, that includes the actual scanning machines which currently are calibrated based on whether a passenger is a man or a woman. but now those machines are getting an upgrade for passengers who do not identify as either. garrett tenney is live in chicago. >> sandra, safety is obviously the biggest concern when they make changes, and there are a number of changes, aimed at making the security process more
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inclusive, no longer use gender to verify a person's identity. folks applying to t.s.a. precheck can use the x gender marker rather than male or female and later this year, body scanners are getting a major update that will no longer use a person's gender in algorithms. until the new technology is deployed, agents will use less invasive screening for transgender individuals who are flagged by the body scanners. on that, the t.s.a. said by replacing the gender-based system, the new more accurate technology will advance civil rights and improve the customers experience of travelers who have previously been required to undergo screening due to alarms insensitive areas. and also the biden administration is pressuring airlines to accept and allow passengers to use the x gender marker when booking their
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reservations. as how much the changes will cost, for the body scanners alone, received $18.6 million in funding. again, not to replace the machines, but to update the algorithms. sandra. >> sandra: very interesting, garrett tenney live from the windy city. >> john: mouse house is expanding in at least ten anti-gay middle east countries. william is live in burbank, california with this seeming contradiction, william. >> john, you know some disney executives here in burbank have been open about expanding and introducing, promoting more queer and nongender specific characters in disney programming. yet also very vocal about opposing that florida law you refer to. yet, seemingly silent about doing business in countries like chain or introducing disney plus in countries where homosexuality
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is banned. florida governor desantis signed a bill that ban schools from teaching sexual orientation and sexual orientation to children under eight. disney said the corporate goal to get the law defeated and repeated in court. florida lawmakers said hey, we may strip disney of their special tax status that allows them to operate as their own city. this coming as new leaked video shows disney executives will have more story lines involving gay and trans characters. >> kind of the only way to have the trans characters, and conical bisexual characters, to give them stories they can be their whole selves. >> these videos with these people out in california who are working high up in the company, the stuff coming out of their mouths is unbelievable that they
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view their programming as a way to inject a lot of these topics into programming for very young kids. >> so this morning, america's largest gay and trans rights group announced a hotline for teens, teachers and parents who feel the florida law is being used against them. also encouraging the federal government to get involved. yesterday attorney general garland said "transgender youth deserve to be loved and protected." john, bottom line is this battle, while it is centered in florida, it's not going away and neither side is backing down. >> john: william, thank you. ukrainian president zelenskyy wrapped up an interview with our own bret baier here in the studio with us. this went an hour. >> it did and fascinating and translation, so it takes a little time, so that's some of the time there.
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but he gave us a lot of time to ask a lot of different questions. what i took away from it was obviously he's very resilient, he believes the ukrainian military is performing exceptionally well. he is not ready and doesn't say that he will ever give up ukrainian territory, which is what he said, although when pressed about that, said there are a lot of things in diplomacy that can happen in places like crimea and donbas. so i took away they are still heavy in the negotiations. one of the things i took away was that he wants a security agreement from nations, including the u.s., a host of nations, now this is short of nato, so not article 5 protection but it would be signed, co-signers, if you will, on whatever deal is struck. he says he's not getting pressured to sign that deal outside of what he agrees to, however he is still interested
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in doing it and would do a ceasefire to save his people if it was really a ceasefire. >> sandra: did he weigh in any further about the struggle to get the weapons that are being sent into that country into the hands of the fighters on the front lines as obviously there has been a lot of reporting that there are challenges to get that done? >> yeah, he did talk about that, sandra, and talked about it at length about the kind of weapons that he wants to get in, and that a lot has been promised but not everything has been realized. and he was very specific about that, and very passionate about it. i asked about, you know, does he believe that the u.s. wants ukraine to win, or fears putin's reaction if russia loses? and the answer to that was very lengthy, but he believes in his heart that america wants ukraine to win but he has not seen everything in his words to make
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that happen. >> john: that's been somewhat of a question, we put that to john kirby, of course we want it to win but then kate bettingfield was asked about it, and jack keane thinks the president is worried about putin getting really upset if he loses. but let me come back to this idea of borders and what a negotiated settlement could be because of foreign policy. russia is entrenched in donbas, donetsk and luhansk, crimea, not leaving there. how does zelenskyy say we are not going to change the border but have a peace settlement here. >> i pressed him on that a couple times, i think he's saving things for the negotiating table but he is clearly willing to try to stop the attack. he believes that they are winning, he says russia is losing, but the fear is that russia will try to dig in and
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have fortified positions that they just stay, and that without the heavy weaponry he can't push them out effectively. that eventually -- his biggest worry is that the west will forget about -- >> john: get tired of it. >> and they'll turn the chapter and that russia will take advantage of that. >> sandra: how is he doing, bret, what condition is he in? >> he had the traditional t-shirt we have seen him in, and he was in good spirits, did not look very tired, he talked at length as i said, and went about an hour. i did ask him about that, because we had a lot of people tweet in and give us emails and a lot of the questions dealt with how is he holding up, how is his family doing. i asked him to answer at the end of the interview in english and he got emotional about him, his time, this war and being away from his family. and talked about why he's doing
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it. we went down the road of his history and whether he ever thought he could be in this position, after three years ago being on a sitcom in ukraine and the ukrainian version of "dancing with the stars," and a comedian, and he said he never imagined it but he imagines this every day and does not have time to think about, he's trying to save lives. >> john: fascinating. let me come back to the ultimate outcome from ukraine, russia says they are pulling back from the kyiv area, and from chernobyl as well, but more of a regrouping or resupply of effort, and putin is not going anywhere, he is president until 2030 something, could he slowly grind down ukraine to the point where eventually something gives? >> yeah, you know, we talked about the sanctions, too. we talked about how china and
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india and other countries are helping russia economically. >> john: and the ruble has bounced back. >> made $19 billion since february 24th on selling oil and gas to europe so they are leaky, and he said sanctions work but they have to be firm. also said he believes sanctions would have worked better earlier, tougher, and -- >> john: but they were never meant to deter, what were they, i can't remember. >> he's careful not to get too critical of president biden. he's very thankful of the support of the u.s. but in multiple answers he went down that road about the u.s. could be doing more in the big picture. >> sandra: you need to stop the interview in the fighting, crossing the reuters wire, odesa says three rockets have hit the presidential region, three casualties, it continues, every
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minute of this war is brutal, bret. >> and talked about that and the loss of life. and i asked him about the attack today across the border into russia, and whether he ordered that. he would not answer that question specifically, but in the long answer gave, said that that particular base had been firing missiles at ukrainian cities so in a nonanswer saying essentially yes, that he had done that. >> john: there was some thought it might be a false flag operation on the part of the russians to say the ukrainians are being terrible to us, and they are -- >> i did not get that sense at all. >> john: jennifer griffin said the sources she's talked to said it was not a false flag, that the mi-24 helicopters flew 30 minutes into russia without getting shot down, attacked and came back. are the russians just incompetent? >> clearly their military is suffering, and they are not performing, and you know, i
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asked president zelenskyy whether he was surprised, one, about the russian military and two, his own military, and he said yes to both. he knew the ukrainians would fight, but did not know it would be this effective. and this successful. what's amazing is that they have managed to get the weapons that they have gotten into the country, they have used really effectively. the question is, whether they can get more weapons and where our line is as far as what we are willing to do, both financially and as far as hard weapons, urging other countries to give us 300s and bigger weapons. australia giving armored vehicles after a pitch that he made just the other day. >> john: it's going to take a lot to get them there. >> around the world. but it's -- it's a fascinating interview. we'll put as much as we can tonight on "special report" and some will air on "fox news sunday." >> sandra: i'm told we will have a clip here in a second.
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i'll ask you this. we have been reporting, just had our reporter roundtable a moment ago, and we were talking about -- it's good, ok. let's get it in here, here is a bit of what bret just was able to speak to volodymyr zelenskyy about. listen. >> short of nato, short of article 5 protection, you are saying a group of nations provide security guarantees. has president biden offered the u.s. as one of those countries? >> it's hard for us to talk about nato because nato does not want to admit us. i think it's a mistake because if we join nato we would make nato much stronger. we are not a weak state. we are not proposing to make us stronger at the expense of nato. we are not an addition. we are the locomotive. >> sandra: obviously an interesting part. >> and it was shot on three different cameras, i'm looking
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over -- it will look much prettier later. we wanted to get you a sound bite. but he's basically saying we get it, nato -- russia does not want us in nato, nato thinks it's provocative, we won't do it but we want a bunch of nations to sign a security guarantee and he goes into depth about the different nations involved, the u.s. being one of them. >> john: we look forward to the whole thing tonight. >> sandra: we'll be watching, bret, thank you. >> john: democrats are accusing oil companies for paying more, and joining us is ro khanna, democratic congressman from california. your plan would tax windfall profits you say oil companies are getting off the inflated price of oil. what you would like to do, levy a 50% tax on the differential between what the barrel of oil is now average between 2015 and
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2019. why do that, what's the ultimate goal here? >> the goal is to reduce prices. oil companies are spending $44 billion on stock buybacks, they are not increasing production. we tried the oil windfall tax in 1980, it led to increased production and decreased prices over a few years, and the hope is oil companies, $66 a barrel, and it would save taxpayers money. >> john: we had the former vice president mike pence on earlier in the program, he says don't tax the oil companies, incentivize them to produce more. listen to what he said. >> the idea that they are blaming the industry, that they are threatening on raising taxes on the industry instead of simply saying go develop our natural resources, go develop in a responsible way the oil and natural gas resources of this country, let's export it to the world. what we proved in the
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trump-pence administration, how quickly things can turn around. >> john: biden said earlier today, congressman, ramp up production but how would taxing them, what you say windfall profits be working with them? >> we are going to work with them in releasing the 180 million of strategic reserve and the president is looking at providing a floor to buy back into the reserves and that would help increase short-term production. but here is the problem. these companies are sitting on billions of dollars and they are not investing it in increased production. wall street is telling them to give it as dividends or stock buyback, and the question is they should be taxed for that and then money go back to working families if they want to increase production, they'll avoid the tax. but should not be allowed to pay off wall street with the profits. >> john: so we had virginia senator mark warner on earlier this week, here is his idea, that for companies that are sitting on these leases and not developing them, they should pay a tax on sitting on that lease.
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but when they decide to go ahead and start production, that the government should get out of the way and expedite all of the permits necessary to be able to produce on those leases. would you agree with that? >> for short-term production, as long as it sunsets, yes. i'm open to that idea. i'm open to the idea of the government providing a guaranteed floor at purchasing back for our strategic reserve money, that could help increase production. i want to incentivize them to produce. i don't want them to have billions in profits for stock buybacks or dividends. that's what's going on now. >> john: i want to ask you about the announcement from the centers for disease control today that title 42 exclusions at the border will sunset on may 23, getting a variety of response from democratic party. cory bush says fabulous idea, this was cruel, and joe manchin
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says what, you can't do that, not without immigration reform. >> i support the president's decision, here is why. this does not mean everyone can suddenly come in. all it means is you can see preemptively told you don't come in. the question i have for folks who don't want it. do you want ukraine refugees not to come in the united states, say no ukrainian refugees because of covid, of course not. let's evaluate people on the case by case basis, not a blanket prohibition against refugees, including ukrainian refugees. >> john: but you can bring them in on temporary protected status. the forecast is if title 42 comes off on the border, the number, about 7,000 today, will at least double. so the numbers in the peak of last year, 200,000 people crossing the border in a month, could be 400,000. can we deal with that? >> well, we need to have the proper enforcement of the borders and we need to make sure
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that people are not coming in on asylum just for economic reasons and look at only allowing people for actual human rights violation. we shouldn't have a blanket rule that you can't seek asylum in the united states. >> john: all right, congressman ro khanna from the great state of california. appreciate it, good to see you again. >> always good to see you. >> john: sandra, a long week and -- >> sandra: one thing he said there, he talks about the amount of oil the oil companies are sitting on, and you hear it from democrats they should spend the money for exploration and increase -- here is the problem. he's absolutely right on that fact, but they do have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders and free enterprise should allow the companies to spend the money how they will. they would typically be investing that money. it's the environment so risky for which they don't want to do that. so, members of congress should be encouraging more friendly environment in which they want to so it's not more risky to
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invest that money, and that's why they turned it into dividends for shareholders. >> john: i'm kind of surprised the president says he's going to work with oil producers to ramp up production and then doesn't do anything to pay off on that. >> sandra: it is interesting, i'm sure we'll be covering more of it as a new week begins next monday. i'll see you then, john. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. we'll see you >> martha: thank you very much, john and sandra. i'm martha maccallum. here's the story. a lot going on in ukraine at this hour. tensions boiling over whether ukraine hit a fuel depot inside of russia, which would be an escalatory move. but did the russians do it themselves? that is a big question today. also, the cruelty in mariupol is making it a living hell. then you have the brave red cross workers that


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