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he took over a fractured nation, hison story could only happen in america, he was trying to make us live up to our constitution, freedom for all. in that journey he was not alone. almost from day he was born in 1818, to when he escaped from slavery in 1838, and passed away at age of 78, frederick douglass has been fighting for freedom, liberty and equality for all, they would, merge as two most indispensable men in most important people in american history, i am brian kilmeade, this is the president and freedom fighter. abraham lincoln, frederick douglass, their battle to safe america's soul. -- to save america's soul.
>> that is balcony where boothe would jump from on to stage out the backdoor, briefry get away. and this is not the story about the assassination of lincoln or heart attack frederick douglass suffered at age of 78, but a story how they lived. to make america's more perfect union, you have to start at their humble beginnings. >> abraham lincoln everyone here knows his name and in the world. what he did as president of the united states with civil war the great e emancipator.
how it he grow up to become the man he came. to do that. we have to go to his youth. not where he was born in kentucky but he grew up able age of 7 to 21 in indiana. a mystery that bill bartel spent a lifetime trying to figure out. >> lincoln's cabin was gone by the time lincoln became president. the lincolns had a 3-sided camp, i think, they built a primitive round log cabin. then some disagree, i think they built a more substantial cabin. that is what this represents. >> they to give you an idea of the cabin, not
necessarily his how many people lived in his house. >> thomas lincoln was a generous person, there were always relatives coming there would be more than 8 living here at different times. >> he lived here age 7 to 21. >> a quarter of his life. just two years after lincoln family moved to indiana, nancy lincoln became gravely ill and passed away, young abraham lincoln was 9. this for many is center piece of this whole area. >> it is, it was a focal point for many years, the grave of lincoln's mother. you could she died october 5, 1818, he called her children in said -- she called her children in, said be good to each other and your father. >> we know how any 8 or old would be affected. he was not shy about talking
about it there. >> he took his mother's words to heart. >> today we would call him gifted, he had a vision, and ambition and desire to learn what he could learn, it was not always easy, he said his find the was like a piece of steel, difficult to scratch anything in it but once there, you cannot rub it out, he tried to improve himself. >> lincoln still had to live a life of hard labor. at times his father was abusive. >> you are work, your dad
was licensing you out to other farms to work during the day. >> it was a common practice. >> why didn't that suck the life out of him. why did he see hope, when so many others saw a stop. >> he had that ambition, he told his friends, he was not going to be a farmer or split rails all his life. ♪ ♪ >> lincoln was given more responsibility during his teen years, thomas lincoln, his father was not inspiring his son to get out of the back breaking rail little splitting life. but he became a lawyer. >> did you see the makings of a lawyer in you what you
have studied? >> people don't understand there were educated people living in this area, he was exposed to lawyers. he was exposed to politicians. who could inspire him. i don't know that he was going to be a lawyer when he left here, but he was going to be some kind of a professional i'm sure. >> what do you want people to know about your abraham lincoln. >> he lived in indiana. lincoln spent 14 years here. about what difference does that make? think in your own life, when you were 7, when you were between. 21, how those 14 years i'm influenced you to become who you are today in values, attitudes and beliefs. you are still a product to a large degree to those 14
years. as tough as abraham lincoln a first 14 years were. frederick douglass had it worse. he never knew his parents, he was born a slave, and he had to escape to establish his freedom, he would want freedom for himself and all, his life of so significant there were status like this, commemorating all he accomplished. he was one of america's most indispensable men. when someone talks about frederick douglass' youth, how would you describe his out. outyouth. >> he began incarcerated, enslaved, his mother was living on a separate plantation from him, his father is allegedly you know, was owner of his
mother, one of the grave tragedies, of american history. >> doug, life of frederick douglass, born, roughly 1818. what kind of life did he have as a kid. >> mixed race, he didn't know who his father was, in a meaningful way, his mother would come to him at bedtime, and make sure he could fall asleep, she worked a different plantation. he was a slave child, he fell brutal -- yet the key to his success and key to anyone out there listening, literacy, he started learning to read. and reading is what liberated him. >> where does the thirst to learn it read and write come from. >> many slave owners did not want blacks to be lit -- want them it read,
-- frederick douglass released that was the cuc of life. >> what he did to learn to read and write. >> he must have had some kind of inmate audacity, take the abc's and make them into what we would -- would know as greatest oration of our history. >> that is in my thought one of the greatest writers of all-time. >> growing up, you look at this young man, you think, he has no shot. but he was determined to matter. and he would find a way to learn to spell to write. what changed? >> his pursuit of education was not just a pursuit of book smarts, it was a
pursuit of language that would allow him to name accuratelyas what happening in the american context. >> 1838, frederick douglass escaped from slavery, traveled north, he married anna a free woman and worked on the docks in massachusetts, he was mentored by esteemed abolitionists. >> he wrotes famous narrative. really to remind people that his public orations is not false, he gave places and who his owners were that allowed people to realize who was up from slavery. >> frederick douglass called this home until 1872.
rochester. >> there is 13 statues in airports named after the great frederick douglass. institute of african-american studies of university in rochester called frederick douglass university. which i lead. as a liberate or, a person who believes in that northstar. a person who believes that country's potential is greater than it knows, who was that great man. who spoke not only great words but created newspapers and magazines, who lectured all over the world. and who put his money where his mouth was. >> as flawed as america was for the african-american he didn't want another country, he wanted to make his stand here, he straw the promise of america which is hard to do when you are beaten,
frederick douglass' gift is he never left -- never let the slave owners own him. >> clear, that lincoln and douglass were smart, driven and determined to succeed. how would they become historical figures, there were certain inflection points on the way that stood out. that story and more when the president and the freedom fighter continues. so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ - modern life, different schedules, different meals, different times,
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brian: in telling story of president and freedom fighter, abraham lincoln and frederick douglass, you have to go over inflicttion points, turning points for both men, it happened here in cooper union, 1863 one of 5 speeches for frederick douglass, most impactful after the emancipation proclamation. it was february 20, 1860, he just wowed world with his debate. now was time to wow a new york audience, invitation he got and took, he got a standing ovation, he got national recognition, he would end up 16 president of the united states of america
. david knows that story. >> david, how special is cooper union, why does it matter. >> if you want to make a big splash in new york politics then you did it here. it was founded previous year by peter cooper, his idea to provide education for anyone regardless of class, gender or race of. >> in 1860 people wonder about new party, new republican party, and who is this guy, that is come out of nowhere. before we talk about what lincoln said and spoke about in cooper union, he was on a role, with his come back. the lincoln-douglas debates. >> it put him on map of
republican politics. he goes to cooper union speaking to a mor secular pragmatic audience, he moved it to a territory of we need to do the right thing, to the make us a stronger country. >> let us have faith that rights make might, and in that faith dare to do our duty as we understand it. >> that is where he comes up with great line, right makes might. brian: the speech was impactful. he put work in, lincoln did not get lucky, he hit the books. >> he looks at is founding fathers and their position on issue of whether slavery can spread to west, majority were against that, we said, we republican are more in line with founding fathers than democrats, and said
what are practical implications of giving in to democrats on this one, allowing slavery to spread, he warned this country will remain divided, they want us to no longer speak out against slavery that would infringer on our freedoms as americans, by protects slavery we would destroy the spirit of the united states, when they heard the words and how he issued slavery, he has a handle and democrats have something to worry about. other argument that democrats were radical party, they are those who and many followers in south, who said, you know if any republican gets elected in november, we're going secede. brian: abraham lincoln became president of the united states and afterward south carolina seceded
following by other, forming federal states of america. for lincoln secession was not an option, soon after the war was on. >> he was the not an abolitionist, not in favor of getting rid of slavery at that moment in his career, we have quotes of him saying remarks that are racist. but the fact is that abraham lincoln evolves in the course of the civil war and has an awakening, and a need to abolish slavery and move beyond the racial lines to a more integrated, connected and politically equitable nation. the man changed, i think he does deserve credit for that. >> for frederick douglass lincoln's win was about hope, but when he didn't immediately free the slaves, he.
through a buddy lincoln issued the emans proclamation. >> it was not euphoric, most people thought he would bash lincoln for the emancipation, it did not go far enough, it was an executive order but frederick douglass said that is as good as we will get right now, if you free the slaves in virginia, the slaves in maryland, are not going to remain slaves for long. >> the president may be slow, but he is sure once he stakes his claim he will not retreat from this. >> the beginning of the end, may not be what all of us abolitionists want but lincoln set us on a path. >> i don't know what frederick douglass did after
his speech, do you know what lincoln did? >> he went for a beer. ale house. >> same one. >> let's be like lincoln. >> let's do it. >> after the speech, they come in here. that is peter cooper's chair. that was his chair, he would come to his favorite wasting hole, abraham lincoln himself sat there. >> okay let's grab two beers and go back. >> cheers. >> this place is amazing it looks like it is 1854 in here. >> like walking back in time. we're talking about lincoln, more on president and freedom fighter when we come back, abraham lincoln, frederick douglass, two
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♪ brian: you can't tell story of president and freedom fighter, and their battle to save america's soul without focusing on the civil war, where abraham lincoln wanted to do everything to avoid but no better place to tell that story than here in south carolina. state that was first to secede after lincoln was elected, who better to tell that story than two sitting senators of south carolina. lindsey graham, tim scott, doing same job different backgrounds. >> why is it important to go to south carolina. >> civil war started here. embodiment of this nation's greatest divide, and unification starts here. >> you realize that growing up. >> i remember saying we're talking about civil war. i saved civil war, my teacher, fourth grade took a ruler, hit mio the hand,
said the war between the states. brian: a different perspective, what is it like for you. >> growing up in charleston, history was important, one of most important places where slaves came through, i think 2/3 or three quarters of all slaves early on came through charleston, you were always emersed in history, telling whole story is important. i don't think i got that early in my education, the story is progress takes patience. i love the tension between frederick douglass and president lincoln. at same time, you have to admire and respect lincoln's patience. his primary objective was to keep the nation together it took civil war to unite the nation. brian: what it started, they said it was not a war in the beginning to free slaves if lincoln had said that he
would not have much of a lincoln army. >> when i grew up in a a -- segregated school, we were taught it was an honorable endeavor and did not work out. the truth is, it was about slavery. brian: to civil war. as an african-american kid how did it take tell the story. >> the war of aggression i heard, that frames history differently. as i became more familiar with it, you became really you understood why we had such a atrocity, and a challenge. that birthed a nation. think back to the days in civil war where brothers
literally fought blood brothers, fathers fought their kids, because they wanted the declaration of independence and notion all men were created e qualto be real, i was glad to see both sides of the issue that progress requires sacrifice. and sometimes it requires taking on your own side, for men in those days to do that, so the three of us could have this conversation is one of most powerful yet seldom told part of the civil war and story of bringing america together. brian: you talk about frederick douglass. and he escapes to freedom 7 years later he is an international -- rock star. >> giving speeches in ireland and england and scotland. and people can't believe it. he shows the marks on his
back as days as a slave, instead of saying, woe it me, i'm going to maybe the country better. >> he came back home to america, he wanted to fight for all people to experience freedom he was enjoying, america is nothing, if not the story of amazing progress and very limited time. >> frederick douglass wanted to push for equality. and freedom but he put his actions and words together, he met with secretary of war, and president of united states, he recruited those and urged for equal pay for equal soldiers. >> one of those beauties that included his own two sons that served in 54th. i was amaze how important american flag was, they were shot at, african-american holding the flag did not want it to touch the soil. they were debeginning our
flag our nation. >> they were defending our flag our nation, those from frederick douglass to the 54th they fought there are our nation, under our flag. brian: senator, why is this park important to south carolinaians but to americans? >> i can't think of a better place to experience history, here at battery, horrific and beauty. >> what is here, fort sumter was shelved then we had a war, and you have a commemoration to confederate soldiers are you okay with that tribute, knowing you are an african-american whose ancestors not looked on kindly. >> no doubt that part of this history needed to be addressed. i think we should be very
careful trying to cleanse all of history. i think you can actually remember history, without celebrating it some statues should remind of us what we should never do again and statues of lincoln and frederick douglass that show honor. >> the 54th massachusetts rec regiment infantry able to -- for the first time. >> all black soldiers, lead by white officers, idea that union allowed african-american to fight, for the cause proved to be a giants step forward, all of the stereotypes of what a black man could and could not do were crushed. >> right, i think we would be remiss if he didn't think about fact whether it was
lincoln and douglass or senator gram and tim scott, people who don't look like each other coming together to work for a bigger cause than themselves is part of the american story. i don't know why we have to say, black or white more than we say us. >> thanks for watching the president and freedom fighter, when we come back, what happens when abraham lincoln finds out that frederick douglass is outside of the white house to see him, that story when we return.
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miles away. not much of it, you could lineup on porch and hope the president would see you one-on-one, that is what frederick douglass did. >> set the scene, civil war, confederate soldiers miles away, what was security like here. >> maryland was a hotbed of us is secession. here, executive mansion, you could just walk up to the door, demand to see the president, you have to imagine lincoln sitting here, realizing the whole country is coming apart at the seams, he is in a very vulnerable position.
>> he took over a divided country, do you think he knew what he was getting into. >> i don't think so, but lincoln knew the law, he realized after fort sumter. and a lot of country was not accepting him as president, he diagnosed union, union, keen the keep the country together and abolition of slavery the two grand causes of civil war. brian: it drove frederick douglass nuts that abraham lincoln was willing to cut a deal, keep the slaves, keep the country together. >> true, lincoln, always had ideas of black colonization. this is something that douglass did not like, lincoln had power, he had to decide how to do this, and douglass was more of the journalist, a writer, an abolitionist, they were not on the same plain of time of
first inaugural. brian: why would they be? because lincoln's approach is keep the country together then i'll make better, and douglass said you can't have a country when it is half with slavery. >> they are shadow boxing each other, lincoln made it clear he would like slavery abolished only in fits and sports, not until will emancipation proclamation lincoln steps forward making slavery the cause. >> about what must it have been like here without the fence, without security. >> there were long lines of people wanting to meet the president, he made the walk from rail station, and to here dressed in the nines, he liked what he saw,
he saw the indiana dirt farmer in abraham lincoln, he saw something uncorrupt able about lincoln that was like a relief, like douglass' soul was healed in a way to know we're in midst of something epic and i can work in tandem with president lincoln, lincoln . >> frederick douglass history meetings with abraham lincoln will push him hard for that first occasion, i see injustice, it is my computer as an american citizen, he meets with the president, walks away, saying i'm not sure that is what i wanted, he knows lincoln is different from other presidents, he will listen to you, he will disagree
with you but he will listen to you. brian: the despite the way america was then and world frederick douglass wanted to be an american, that is what we'llen to understand, i want to make america better, you can describe that mind set. >> sleetly. that is what i love about frederick douglass ranking at top of great american figures. he said we're making our stand here, we grew up in slavery but i believe in america's destiny, i believe that we can overcome that. we can start a new america. douglass was about rebirth and reconciliation of america, no better person for schoolkids to study than him, he transcends race, we talked about frederick douglass on black history month. but martin luther king is usually larger, let's talk about frederick douglass all year round. because he really is one of
the founders of our modern republic. >> phenomenal what happens, what they are planning in a second meeting a indiana dirt farmer son sitting down side by side with a formerly enslaved man, they are plotting a revolution in those moments to remake america in accordance with a sense of justice for all, they are titans of their time by themselves, we're blessed as americans they came together at these moments, agreed and disagreed. but we're still moving forward with their conversations. brian: you can't go everything they have done together and apart, you can get more in my book, president and freedom fighter, ahead, what they ment to america from americans.
those who revised history, it strikes me two men who paid such a personal price for the progress of this nation, sitting together, looking at say the of affairs would wonder why we spent so much time talking about so little progress when there is so much progress visible. >> the question for me, in light of what they did for country, what is the appropriate response for us, how do you honor when they did, people willing to die for a just cause, president lincoln preserved union on his watch, are we doing all we can to preserve the union. >> if someone said you to, how did frederick douglass' life and abraham lincoln live inter second. intersection. they believed for potential of country to be greater than it knows itself to be, both of them committed
themselves to not only the emancipation of black people but the idea of the nation's emancipation. >> why is it important to study both men today. >> lincoln is our number one president. no matter how bad joe biden feels he has it or donald trump. or barack obama. lincoln had it worst. it reminds you to say whatever your feeling is going on wrong in america, would you want to trade places with what abraham lincoln knowed to do. >> with frederick douglass you realize you can be angry at america in a positive way, you can have a decent, make a difference, follow your beliefs, sometimes we want things immediately done our way, sometimes you have to just bore in for the long haul the way that douglass did his life, fighting and learning and getting to point where black men in america were able to
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way. we have a ways to go, i am convinced we'll have great people emerge along the way to bring us the rest of the way, hope you enjoy the president and freedom fighter, if you did, i know you will love the book, abraham lincoln, frederick douglass and their battle to save america, thanks for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ on-line. good night from south carolina. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ mark: hello america, i am mark levin, had is "life, liberty and levin." we have two great guests, kevin mccarthy, republican leader in the house. and former senator, governor of virginia george allen, we dive into the election results. but before, you know i do things differently here,