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are the first five serial killers we're profiling in my new show, "the killer next door," on fox nation. this is a chance to learn their secrets, ones only i, the real mindhunter can share with you. chris: i'm chris wallace. more fights over of vaccine mandates as the white house calls on pediatricians to help. ahead of the rollout for kids. ♪ >> parents are going to go and ask their doctor questions, ask their pediatrician questions, better understand the safety, efficacy of the vaccine. chris: an fda panel considers authorizing more boosters for higher risk people. we'll discuss where things stand on all three vaccines and ask the president's chief medical advisor, dr. anthony fauci, what it's going to take to get
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covid-19 behind us. then, the biden administration struggles to address shipping, labor and warehouse issues, causing empty shelves and higher prices ahead of the holiday season. we'll ask what the disruptions could mean for your bottom line. plus, the january 6th commission moves to hold donald trump's one-time political top gun in criminal contempt for he defying a subpoena. we'll ask our sunday panel about the latest showdown in the investigation into the assault on the capitol. and our power player of the week, pat robertson on stepping down from the 700 club. >> i decided after 60 years to turn over the rein. chris: can and his political legacy. >> god is not a republican. god loves everybody.
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chris: all here right now on fox news sunday. chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. it's been a busy week in the continuing effort to gain more control over the covid pandemic, an fda advisory panel recommended booster shots of two more vaccines for millions of americans and they will consider whether it's safe for people to mix and match to get initial doses of one vaccine and then boosters of another. meanwhile, the battle over vaccine mandates, whether government agencies and private businesses can order workers to get shots, continues to escalate and there are growing signs some essential workers may stay off the job rather than comply with mandates. we want to discuss all this plus get the latest on the spread of the virus with dr. anthony fauci, the white house chief medical advisor. doctor, welcome back to fox news sunday.
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>> thank you, thank you, chris, good to be with you. chris: as we say, the fda advisory panel this week recommended application for the use of the two other boosters that hadn't been approved so far, maria bartiromo mow deer -- moderna and j&j even though the data on j&j booster relatively speaking was pretty weak according to scientists on the panel. has the politics of giving boosters gotten ahead of the actual public health? >> well, you know, chris, i'm not so sure the politics got ahead of it. if you look at the data that's a been accumulated not only from our cohorts that we're following here in the united states, but the information which is critical information that we're getting from israel, it's very, very clear that there's waning immunity and that we do need to boost individuals who received any of the three products that we've been dealing with right now and as you mentioned, just this past week two of them, moderna and j&j, put their data
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before the fda and their advisory committee made a recommendation. now it's up to the f didn't a to make the -- fda to make the recommendation which i believe will go on to a recommendation from the cdc. i don't think there's a political issue there. i think it's public health data and evidence. chris: the fda panel will consider whether it's safe to mix and match, to get your initial dose from one vaccine and then your booster from another vaccine. this is especially an issue with j&j, which according to the data has -- offers less protection. first of all, do you think mix and match is safe? and should people who of got the j&j vaccine initially seriously consider getting a booster of another vaccine which offers more protection? >> well, i think what needs to be done and i believe it will be done, chris, is that there will be a degree of flexibility that will be left up to the individual based on their
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individual situation. the point that you make is as follows. if you look at the data from j&j that presented to the fda when they used their own product as the boost, it's based on clinical data from a clinical trial. the mix and match to which you refer shows that when you boost moderna or pfizer against the original j&j, you get a much higher antibody level. that's a lab bra tori indicator that would predict efficacy. people need to understand that the j&j against the j&j from the trial and data they presented is based on clinical data. what you're going to see without a doubt is that the fda is going to take all of that under advisement from their advisory committee and they'll make a regulatory decision which we'll goat the cdc with their advisory committee and they'll make a
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recommendation. i believe there's going to be a degree of flexibility of what a person who got the j&j originally can do. either with j&j or with the mix and match from other products. chris: doctor, let's take a look at where we are now in this fourth wave of the coronavirus, there's an average of almost 84,000 new cases every day and more than 1500 deaths every day. still bad but down considerably from a month ago. are we coming out of the delta wave and as we head into colder weather, people going inside, holiday travel, what is the real possibility that we could have a fifth wave of the virus, especially if there's not a spike in vaccinations? >> well, that's the issue i think what you just mentioned just now, chris. it's going to be within our capability to he prevent that from happening. you're right, the numbers are going down.
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the cases are down 23%. the hospitalizations and deaths are down 17% or 18%. so we're going in the right direction. the problem is, as we all know, we still have approximately 66 million people who are eligible to be vaccinated who are not vaccinated. the degree to which we continue to come down in that slope will depend on how well we do about getting more people vaccinated. if we don't do very well in that regard, there's always the danger that there will be enough circulating virus that you can have a stalling of the diminishing of the number of cases and when that happens, as we've seen in the of past with other waves that we've been through, there's the danger of resurgence. but we can do something about that. that's the whole point that we keep emphasizing. the more people we get vaccinated, the less likelihood is there going to be another surge as we go into the winter. chris: briefly, what is your advice for the l holiday season for travel, for gathering
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together as families, first for groups that are vaccinated and then for groups that aren't? >> well, for groups that are vaccinated i think we can enjoy you the holiday season. i get asked that all the time, you know, trick or treating and halloween, thanksgiving with the family, when you're in the family unit among people who are vaccinated, i think you should just enjoy the holidays as best you can in the family spirit. for those who are not vaccinated, first i would encourage them very strongly to get vaccinated. but if they're not, they should do what the cdc recommends, is when you're an indoor setting in a public indoor setting, to wear a mask. it's very important. we know that masks work and they can greatly diminish the likelihood that you're going to get infected which is another reason why we keep saying why it's so important to get vaccinated because not only will it be good for your own health and that of your family, it will make it much ease can yesterday for you to enjoy the kinds of things in society that you would like to enjoy anyway.
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chris: let me pick up on that, doctor. texas governor greg abbott this week issued an executive order, banning anyen the at this at this, whether -- any entity, whether public or private, from mandating that people get vaccines. here he was last june when he banned vaccine passports. take a look. >> texas is open 100%. and we want of to make sure that you have the freedom to go where you want, without limits. chris: what do you think of governor abbott? >> well, i'm not going to make an opining about my personal opinion of any person in office like a governor except to say that from a public health standpoint, that is really unfortunate because we know how effective vaccines are in preventing not only illness for the individual, but for diminishing the dynamics of the infection in society. the data are very, very clear. it doesn't matter what i think
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or not think of governor abbott. the fact is, look at the data and look at the difference between people who get vaccinated versus people who are unvaccinated. in caseses, in hospitalizations, and in deaths. the cdc just came out with their recent data and the data are really striking, chris, about the risk associated with being unvaccinated versus the protection that you get when you are vaccinated. i would have to just -- you know, go ahead. chris: go ahead, finish your sentence. >> no, i was going to say, so unfortunately i can understand perhaps what the govern for is trying to do but i think when you're in a public health crisis, sometimes unusual situations require unusual actions and in this case it's things like mandating, be they masks or vaccinations, they're very important. we're not living in a vacuum as individuals. we're living in a society and society needs to be protected and you do that by not only
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protecting yourself but by protecting the people around you by getting vaccinated. chris: i want to squeeze in two more questions. in a number of places police, pilots, health workers are threatening job action if vaccine mandates are enforced. i want you to take a look at the police union official if chicago and then the mayor of that city. here they are. >> it's safe to say the city of chicago will have a police force at 50% or less for this weekend coming up. >> those who are sworn to uphold the law act as if they're above the law. we're not going to tolerate that. that's not acceptable. chris: when we're talking about sense s space shuttle work -- essential workers maybe going off the job, like a police force, should corporate officials or executives back off in enforcing these man dates? >> well, chris, i mean, i'm not
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comfortable with telling people what they should do under normal circumstances but we are not in normal circumstances right now. a take the police. we know now you the statistics, more police officers die of covid than they do other causes of death so it doesn't make any sense to not try to protect yourself as well as the colleagues that you work with. so i think if we can get people to just think about that, think about the implications of not getting vaccinated when you're in a position where you have a responsible job and you want to protect yourself, because you're needed at your job, whether you're a police officer or a pilot or any other of those kinds of occupations. chris: finally, when this pandemic started i think it's fair to say you were the generally regarded as the authority on infectious disease but as time has gone on you have become a he polarizing figure,
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critics accuse you of sending mixed messages, there's allegations that you helped fund dangerous research at the wuhan lab. two questions. why do you think you you've become so controversial and honestly do you think there's anything you have done that has contributed to that? >> well, i'm not so sure i can answer the latter because i can't think of anything but i'm sure some people will. you know, chris, i have stood for always making science data and evidence be what we guide ourselves by. and i think people who feel differently, who have conspiracy theories, who deny reality that's looking them straight in the eye, those are people that don't particularly care for me and that's understandable because what i do and i try very hard is to be guided by the truth and sometimes the truth becomes inconvenient for some people so they react against me. that just is what it is. there's not much i can do about
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that, chris. chris: dr. fauci, thank you. thanks for your time this sunday. it's always good to talk with you, sir. >> same here, chris. thank you for having me. chris: coming up, what the thousands of shipping containers piled up at u.s. ports could mean for the commie and your -- economy and your christmas wish list. we'll bring in an important voice from the financial world, mohammed elharia. that's next.
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chris: president biden is facing heavy pressure to make sure the u.s. supply chain correct course between now and the holidays. couple that with a spike in inflation, and it's leaving americans feeling the pinch in their pocketbooks. in a moment, we'll discuss the problem and possible solutions with top economist, mohamed el-erian. but first, let's bring in david spunt at the white house with more on the political fallout. david. >> reporter: hi, chris. it may be making headlines now but the supply chain crisis began brewing months ago with consequences that may last well into the new year. dozens of cargo ships packed to the brim, stuck in a deep blue parking lot off the california coast. on land, truck drivers are scarce. >> truckers have been on the frontlines of this entire pandemic. they want to be paid well. they want to be respected. >> reporter: empty store
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shelves, economic uncertainty and long lines spell sticker shock for millions of americans reeling from an 18 month pandemic. 13 year high inflation is the new reality. the consumer price index climbed 5.4% in september, compared to the prior year, matching the highest rate since 2008. food rose 4.6%, electricity, 5.2%, president biden also continuing to push his social safety net package. >> it's clear that it's not going to be $3.5 trillion. >> reporter: independent vermont senator bernie sanders of out with an op-ed in a west virginia paper, making a plea to coal country about the climate, the state's senior senator, joe manchin, fired back, writing this isn't the first time an out-of-stater has tried to tell west virginia inns what it -- west virginiainans what is best for them, i will not vote for a reckless expansion of government
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programs. negotiations between the president and members of congress continue over the coming days and weeks but if the president loses senator he joe manchin, he's in trouble. chris. chris: david spunt reporting from the white house. david, thanks. and joining us now, mohamed el-erian, who led jimco for years, and is now the chief economic advisor at you alliance. i want to start with inflation. the price of gasoline is up 42.1% from last year. children's footwear, up 11.9%. social security benefits up 5-point of 9%, the -- 5.9%, the biggest increase in 40 years. government officials keep saying the inflation is, quote, transitory and white house chief of staff ron klain retweeted, the current inflation issues are, quote, highs class problems. do you agree with any of that. >> i agree that it's a high
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class problem. i do not agree it is transitory, chris. there is part of it that's transitory, that's covid related. there are things going on that fund mentally of much deeper than that, involve change in behavior. we should look forward for another year at least of high and persistent inflation. chris: when you say high class problems, i think a lot of people would push back and say if it's costing 40% more to fill up my tank of gas, if i want to get christmas presents and can't find them, that's not a high class problem. >> yeah, that's not a high class problem but there are elements that are high class. one, massive demand for labor. so wages are starting to go up and are starting to go up meaningfully. second, the reason why there's so much inflation is partly due to a lot of demand. there's a lot of purchasing power in the economy. that's a good thing. it is the supply side, the everything shortage, if you like, that is the problem.
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and hopefully that can be addressed. but part of this inflation is good inflation, part is bad inflation. chris: let me pick up on one other aspect of this. president biden and congressional democrats are talking right now, trying to negotiate $3 trillion plus, maybe even $4 trillion, in more federal spending. is that a good idea at a time when the economy is over-heated? >> so when you say overheated, that's a demand side concept relative to supply. the issue is how do we get supply to respond? and that's where that package comes in. physical infrastructure, something that everybody agrees on, the more we can improve our infrastructure, the higher productivity, the more we can supply goods to the marketplace and the more inflationary pressures come down. i don't think there's much disagreement on that part of the package. there is disagreement on human
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infrastructure, enhancing human productivity in order to bring more people into the labor force. we have a problem of labor shortages. so i do think that if it's targeted well on the supply side, that can help with growth and that can help with inflation. but right now, the argument is all on the demand side and that's why this thing is getting stuck. chris: let's take a look. you brought up the american labor force. i want to drill down on that. some 10,000 union workers at john deere went on strike, rejecting a wage increase of 5 to 6% this year. 4.3 million americans quit their jobs in august in what's now being called the great resignation. how is all of that contributing to inflation and to supply chain problems and when republicans blame federal spending, federal benefits, is that right, especially now that the enhanced unemployment benefits have
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expired? >> so what's clear is that the expiration of the benefits have not led to more people coming into the labor force. that issue has been sorted out. what's not clear is what's keeping labor from coming in and the more labor resists coming back into the labor force, the greater the bargaining power of people in the labor force. we should expect more strikes going forward because workers have greater bargaining power. why is that happening? part of that is excess demand from people looking to hire quickly because the market can has come back but part of that is changed behaviors. we feel that now we can negotiate higher wages without losing our job. we feel we can go from one job to another and get sign-on bonuses. some don't want to come back to the labor force. they changed their views on work/life balance. chris: i want to he focus on
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the backups in the supply chains, dozens of huge container ships that are parked outside the harbors in los angeles, dozens of ships, also empty store shelves. how much of this -- you touched on it before, but how much of it is excess demand that there are people with money in their pockets who are trying to buy more, and how much of it are backups, blockades in the supply system, when you've got problems at ports, at warehouses, truckers and trains? >> i suspect it's one-third, one-third, one-third. one-third, lots of demand. all of us want to buy. the more we worry about shortages, the more we bring forward demand. christmas is a perfect example. tell people there won't be toys for christmas, they start buying now. so they bring forward the
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demand. another third is covid related. when your computer turns off and comes back on, it doesn't come back on perfectly. it takes time for different things to start working again. you have to sign into your accounts again, open your e-mail again. that's what happened with the global economy. when it started functioning again, it didn't start simultaneously. and then you had delta come in that shut down ports around the world and then the third element is under-investment. for a long time we under-invested in port facilities and that's coming and biting us. chris: let's talk about what government has to do about it. there's what it -- what it can do about it. there's talk that the white house should lift regulationses in various aspects of the supply chain, should lift some tariffs on chinese goods that are raising prices more. there's talk about whether the fed should raise interest rates or tighten the money supply. when you look at that menu of options, what is it that government should do?
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what is it that government shouldn't do? >> so four things that should happen now. first is the fed. they continue to inject $120 billion into the economy every single month. that made sense at the height of the emergency. it doesn't make sense now. so they should ease off the pedal to the metal monetary stimulus. two is we've got to get productivity back up. that involves infrastructure. that involves human investments. three, we've got to look very seriously at excess financial risk, because what's going to happen if we're not careful is the inflation as it persists will disrupt the financial markets that will then undermine the economy. and then, finally, we've got to get more people into the labor force. chris, these things are feasible from an engineering perspective. what they require is political will to implement them.
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chris: finally, what's your forecast for the holidays? where are we going to be on inflation? where are we going to be on supplies? and how will all of this be reflected in the financial markets? >> so as sad as i am so say this, it is what i expect. things will get worse before they get better. so we're going to have more shortages of goods. we're going to have higher prices, inflation will remain in the 4% to 5% level. and it's just going to take time to sort these things out, chris. these things cannot be sorted out overnight. they were many years in the making and then covid pressed fast forward and got everything accelerated and that's where we are now. chris: and the financial markets? >> i worry a little bit that this wonderful world we've been living in of low volatility, everything going up, may come to
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a stop with higher volatility but a lot depends on behavioral changes. if i were an investor, i would recognize that i'm riding a huge liquidity wave, thanks to the fed. but i would remember that waves tend to break at some point so i would be very attentive. chris: mr. el-erian, thank you. please come back, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: up next, we'll bring you in our sunday group to discuss whether in the midst of supply chain backups and serious inflation it's the right time for trillions of dollars more in government spending. check it out. serena... scary movie... serena... scary movie... serena williams ready to serve. ahh! quiet, please. get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream, with no annual contract.
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>> the president wants to get -- ensure the american people are able to order goods, they're able to get toys delivered to their home, they're able to go to the gossly store and be able -- grocery store and be able to afford meat and any goods that they want. chris: white house press secretary jen psaki trying to reassure people president biden understands the economic pressure they're facing for the nation's supply chain and inflation problems. and it's time for our sunday group. gop strategist karl rove, pollster kristin solstice
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anderson and moa lathey. kristen, let me start with you. how damaging is this combination of supply chain problems and inflation? how damaging is that to democrats? are these the kinds of issues that voters are likely to blame them for? >> headed into a midterm where democrats already have a number of structural factors against them, most notably republicans being the party out of power, usually do better in midterms, you need something like a good economy to be able to run on to say, no, no, no don't change course, don't change leadership. stick with who you've got. you have a majority of americans say we're headed off on the wrong track. and frankly, you have republicans who the issue of the economy is one of the few issues during the trump era they used to hold an advantage on. you may have a lot of voters who are looking at what's going on now, saying, look, i wanted to turn the page, support democrats
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but now i've got rising prices, i don't know if i can get christmas presents for my kids, this isn't exactly what i signed up for and that's going to give republicans a big opening to make the case for why people should change leadership next november. chris: what are the political implications here and what are realistic possible solutions? what can joe biden do to unkink the supply chain and curb inflation? >> the political implicationses are big. if you look at the real clear politics average, the president president's approval on the economy is 44.3 to 50.5 and it's getting worse. in october, it's 41, 52. there are things that can be done. but why wasn't the administration doing it months ago? they're going to probably start doing the things they can do now, making changes in regulation or providing some specialized assistance to the ports and to the logistics
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change. why didn't they begin months ago? this has been an issue that's been growing and growing and on the public's mind and as a result i think it's one of the reasons why the president's approval among independents dropped pretty dramatically. if you go to the grocery store and it costs you nearly 9 bucks to buy the bacon that cost you 4 bucks not too long ago, americans will feel this and will turn around and blame somebody and he's in charge. chris: what about the argument that there seems to be focus on it now, i know task forces were set up months ago but from the podium, the president and the press spokeswoman, started focusing on it now, what about the argument, it's too little too late? >> well, look, the reality is, the biden administration inherited a pretty tough economic situation when they came in as as a result of covid. and from day one had they have made that a top priority. they focused on the relief plan
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and they immediately moved into infrastructure and as your previous guest mentioned, infrastructure is a key component of dealing with the supply chain and inflation situation. so they've been on it for a while. we've seen quite a bit of improvement in the economy since they came in, wages are up, unemployment is down. but this is a key part of it. they've got to continue to put their foot to the gas on it. that's why you've heard them talking about things like getting ports open 24/7, you're seeing big corporations coming in saying that they're going to do the same thing. so they're taking the steps. whether or not it's enough in time for political impact remains to be seen. chris: kristen, let's he focus on the president's he domestic agenda. on friday he talked about not the infrastructure part but the big tax and spend social spending part. here's what he had to say. take a look. >> it's not going to be
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$3.5 trillion. the question is, how much of what is important do we get into the legislation? i'm of the view that it's important to establish the principle on a whole range of issues without guaranteeing you get the whole 10 years. chris: kristen, is the president right in a political sense, in a polling sense? does it make more sense to do more things for shorter period of time rather than what some democrats are saying which is cull the program and do more -- fewer things but for a longer period of time? >> i will tell you that the vast majority of voters do not even know that this debate is happening in washington, chris. right now, if people know that this bill is happening, they know that that number, $3.5 trillion, is what is being discussed. and only about a quarter in the polls that i you saw come out this week think this bill will make them better off. the problem that democrats have
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is that individually things like child care, things like paid leave, many of the things that are being talked about as being part of the bill are individually relatively popular but they've all been thrown in together into this big, massive bill that most people don't think is going to benefit them directly and so as a result, the political upside of doing one versus another, i think the difference is negligible. i think democrats backed themselves into a problem where individually something like infrastructure is very popular, et cetera, et cetera, but requiring it all to be tied together has created an absolute political mush that is not giving them any of the benefits i think they were hoping for. chris: we do not like political mushes there, i've got to tell you that. so meanwhile, there was news over the weekend and that is that senator joe manchin, the 50th democratic vote from west virginia, says that he is going to oppose and block the centerpiece of president biden's climate change part and that would pay utilities to switch from burning fossil fuel to
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using renewable energy. what are the chances -- that is not going to please the left win wing of the democratic party, make them more resistant to compromise. what is the real possibility that democrats end up passing nothing, that they can't pass infrastructure, they can't pass the -- maybe it's $2 trillion tax and spending bill and they end up with nothing? >> well, there's a high chance they'll end up with far less than they wanted to get. it's almost certain that they're not going to get what they want to get within the timeframe they're talking about. the president said he wanted these things done from december 3rd. the debt ceiling improved, the government funded, the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed and the $5.5 trillion -- i use the number from the committee for responsible federal budget, what they want in the way of welfare expansion, and that's 32 days. how can you get that done in 30
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days? they could get one thing done, that is pass the infrastructure bill. it passed through the senate with more than 60 votes, bipartisan support. there's bipartisan support in the house. the left understands if they pass the physical infrastructure bill, roads, highways, bridges, so forth, it undermines the physical expansion of the welfare state where we pay for community college tuition bills of billionaires. they're not going to get it done in the timeframe the president wants. they will likely end up with far less or maybe zero when it comes to the expansion of the welfare state. chris: karl had no idea what question i would ask. he already had white boards prepared. i can't wait until the next segment to see how many white boards he has prepared there. could former trump advisor steve bannon face jail time for defying the january 6th
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committee's subpoenas?
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>> lock him up. hold him in contempt. and clearly that might send enough of a message that he will agree to talk to us. >> i hope that the committee goes after him and holds him accountable. >> will they be prosecuted? >> yes. chris: the chair of the january 6 committee announcing plans to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt and president biden going a step further. but the justice department says it will make an independent decision whether to prosecute bannon. and we're back with the panel. karl, how strong a case does the house committee have that steve bannon, a private citizen, advising a former president, is not protected by executive
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privilege and what do you think of joe biden weighing in and telling his supposedly independent justice department what they should do? >> well, let me take the latter first. he was wrong to do that and he got slapped down by his own justice department pretty quickly. the president was intemperate when he made the remark. i don't know but it strikes me that it's a stretch -- only the sitting president can make -- can assert executive privilege. the former president has no right to do that. it strikes me strange that you exert executive privilege over the actions of somebody whom you fired from office three years ago who is a private citizen, not a member of the government. my answer is, i don't know the likely -- likely there's going to be -- it's likely to see they're going to go to court on this, probably hold that he doesn't have the immunity from
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executive privilege. but it's going to take time and that may mean that the whole purpose of this is for steve bannon and donald trump to try and run out the clock and hope the republicans take control of the house in november of 2022 and thereby sort of throw the whole issue out. my gut tells me that it's going to be resolved more quickly. chris: are you carnac the magnificent. are the white boards in jars on a porch somewhere? this is very impressive. >> no, i read your thoughts and act accordingly. chris: it's called light reading. mo, what happened to joe biden's pledge to leave the justice department alone when it comes to prosecutions? >> well, look, i think there's a big difference between a president who is openly advocating for and calling on his justice department to take action versus one who just offers an opinion as to whether or not he thinks there should be something. so i wouldn't be too worried
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about that. but look, i actually agree with karl to a point here, that i think it is a huge stretch, huge stretch to exert executive privilege but the politics of this, stretching it out may not be a good thing for republicans. the more that we're talking about this, the more that there is focus on what happened in january 6th, the more it reminds people of that terrible, terrible moment. let the business -- let the committee get to business, get to work, and if they don't have anything to hide, then go testify and let's move forward. but by dragging it out, it just further reminds people that politics drove a lot of what happened on january 6th and that's not a good thing for republicans. chris: he let's turn to another big story and that is the commission that president biden set up to analyze the idea of major changes to the supreme
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court. they had an initial draft report, they're going to have a final report next month. they were et pretty negative, quite negative about the idea of adding justices to the court, somewhat more receptive to the idea of term limits, maybe 18 years for justices. here was the reaction from republican senator tom cotton. >> this commission was never designed to try to improve the supreme court or fix any problems with it. it was simply a way to provide cover for joe biden who refused to take a position m the campaign on packing the supreme court. chris: kristen, we know where the left wing of the democratic party stands on reforming the court. what about the general public? >> the general public leans against packing the court or adding to the nine justices that are there and so in that sense this report, if it says what you're claiming, will line up pretty much with where public opinion is at. at the same time you do find americans more likely to say they approve of the job the supreme court is doing, than,
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say, congress. while there are individual decisionses that americans get frustrated with, overall the supreme court is not the most closed branch of our of government so i think for democrats being able to say, well, hey, this report says we shouldn't pack the court so to the left wing of our party, please pipe down. i think senator cotton has read the politics of this right, at least within the democratic party. but it's also the case that the american people are not really interested in seeing the number of supreme court justices increase. chris: karl, two he notable conservatives announced this week that they are resigning from the commission. do you think that senator cotton is right, that this is just a device on the part of joe biden to get democrats, left wing democrats off his back? >> absolutely. during the campaign and now he's going to have to deal with the fallout that they will now say, you know what came up with that commission, bought him some time, came up with nothing and we're disappointed in the president of the united states. chris: mo, let me pick up on that.
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if that is the final result here and the president hears from the commission and ends up saying, you know what, we're not doing anything, we're not going to pack the court or adjust is thes to the court, we're not going to impose 18 year term limits, what will the reaction be from the left wing of the democratic party? >> probably similar to what you're hearing now. they're frustrated now that he didn't walk in and wave a magic wand and add x number of new justices and eliminate term limb limits and they will be louder in that frustration but i don't think it's going to have any impact on the politics of the moment. i think the greatest impact will be in the future during the next open democratic presidential primary when that wing of the party will push the next wave of democratic presidential candidates probably a little bit harder. but joe biden has never fully embraced these reforms. people knew that coming in. and so i think the current
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political impact will be minimal. chris: in about 20 seconds, how disappointed is the left wing of the party, whether it's supreme court changes, voting rights, the filibuster? >> look, i think they're obviously vocal in wanting more and, look, that's what politics is all about. everyone is pushing for more. but biden's got a job to do and he's doing it. chris: thank you you, panel. see you next sunday. very well done on the white boards, karl. up next, our power player of the week, pat robertson on his decades on the front lines of decades on the front lines of the christian evangelical of that spin class was brutal. well, you can try using the buick's massaging seat. oh. yeah, that's nice. can i use apple carplay to put some music on? sure, it's wireless. what's your buick's wi-fi password? it's buick envision. that's a really tight spot.
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chris: he's been an evangelical leader for decades. he's transformed religious broadcasting and rallied millions of christian conservatives at the ballot box. now he's stepping back from his tv pulpit but making it clear he's not retiring. here is our power player of the week.
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>> i've been spent about 60 years in broadcasting and i'm 91 years old. this is the last time that i will be hosting the program. chris: pat robertson on stepping down from his daily hosting duties on the 700 club. >> i want to thank all of you. chris: it's a ministry he has rallied. >> the bible says moses must serve. you take over, joshua. i think it was time to turn over. chris: today religious television is an institution. thanks in large part to robertson who founded cbn back in 1960. >> cbn, the christian broadcasting network. chris: when he bought a small tv station. he held a telethon to raise funds. >> people are being healed instantly. chris: asking for 700 people to give $10 a month. it evolved into one of the
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longest running shows in television history, the 700 club. why did you decide to change from formal sermons and revival meetings to a talk show of all things? >> people would call in, the things that were going on in their life, people would call in prayer, they would call in answers, and the interactive format is what we've been using ever since. chris: his influence grew along with cbn. he founded regent university and in 1988 he ran for president. >> a candidate for the republican nomination for the presidency. chris: winning several republican primaries. >> the big thing that i have done is mobileized christians into the political arena. it was thought before that politics was something dirty. chris: part of thats was founding the christian he coalin to organize voters of faith. >> the president of the united states is a tennet in our house.
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>> we had an enormous amount of influence. i think it was important. chris: were there any negatives to tying christian evangelicalism to the republican party. >> i came to realize with that question that god is not republican, that god loves everybody, and the trouble with getting involved in partisan politics is that half of the electorate you make mad at you .chris: over the years he hasnt shied away from cultural flash points, taking some surprising stands. in the 1970s he brought on a black minister as a co-host. >> i came down here to virginia from new york and i found racial discrimination and i hated that. i said this means that the thing i'm doing will be torn apart, so be it, i'm willing to sacrifice because this is my premise. chris: robertson has called for
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decriminalizing marijuana. >> we're locking up people that take a couple of puffs of marijuana and the next thing you know they've got 10 years. the pot crowd loved me. i was their hero. what's socially accepted was drinking liquor. that was okay. but getting high on something else was not. i mean, i wasn't in favor of either one of them but i certainly thought we should decriminalize marijuana. chris: he's taken more conservative stands linking sin with social troubles and even natural disasters. >> you have sometimes said that terrible storms, even hurricane katrina, were god's punishment for our sins. do you really believe that? >> i did say that we had the power to speak to those storms and tell them to go away. like jesus commanded the waves to cease and we commanded them in his name and they went away.
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chris: today, robertson emphasizes he's stepping back, not retiring. >> the biblical time of the age is supposed to be 120 so i'm at 91 but i'm looking forward to hitting 120. chris: how certain are you that there's a heaven? >> chris, there is no doubt in my mind. when you see this huge universe, you know there's something more. chris: do you have any thought about what it's like? >> it's going to be simply beyond belief. i haven't seen or hasn't heard what gadd has prepared but we'll be in a state of paradise. there will be beautiful flowers, delicious fruit, there will be love and it will have no tears, no sore he row, no sadness. i'm looking forward to it. chris: thank you, sir. god bless. >> thank you very much. god bless you. chris: robertson is still chancellor of regent university and his next book is due out in
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january. and he says he'll pop up on the 700 club when he has something to say. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next fox news sunday. ♪ life, liberty and levin. ♪ steve: breaking tonight, a fox news host is censored by youtube over vaccine mandates. we have exclusive insight moments away. the person they tried to silence was me. good evening, everyone. welcome to "the next revolution," i'm steve hilton, and this is the home of pro-worker, pro-family, pro-community and etches pro-america -- especially pro-america. on thursday i sat down with a professor from stanford university on my podcast, california rebel base. you've seen him on this show multiple times from the start of the pandemic, he argued that we should base our response on the

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