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>> i lost. rachel: everyone, lumberjack world championship. bye, everybody. peter: 15 seconds, who do you want to thank for making this possible? lawrence: i don't know. rachel: sean. peter: have a great saturday, everybody. >> the head of the cdc doing cleanup of suggesting to bret baier a national mandate could be coming and now she says that's not the case but two major employers, wal-mart, disney making of those on the job get the jab. is that giving more companies the greenlight to do the same. republican monkey mace wants speaker pelosi to see her face. >> i'm going to wear it in the chamber but not anywhere else. charles: the congresswoman is
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here and restrictions mounting. what about migrants. covid cases at the border are spiking and now meet the texas sergeant that captured national headlines with the warning. you're watching cavuto live. ♪ ♪ ♪ charles: hello, everybody. i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto. we will get to all of that in a moment but first from diapers, ice cream detergent, you name it, ceo's of mayor companies this beak saying that you'll be paying more for it all while democrats in dc insist when it comes to inflation, we will soon all be over it. we will begin with mark meredith at the white house. mark. mark: president biden insist the u.s. economy is on the right track. he said that to the american people as well as the democrats up on capitol hill and while the employment picture is a lot better now than where we were a year ago, there are still concerns about where the economy is as a whole. if you're a consumer, you know what the prices are like when
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you get receipt at checkout and atlanta base coca-cola to california chipotle, goods are more expensive. when you break it down further, you see higher prices at the pump, at furniture stores, renting a car cost more and so does buying a plane ticket. the white house says it i believe so inflation is temporary and as the country pushes past the pandemic, those increases will slow. the president himself, he even took a victory lap on economic record earlier this week. >> gdp numbers show that in the first half of the year our economy grew up in any point in nearly 40 years. our economy grew more in 6 months than most wall street forecasters expected for the entire year before implementing our plan. we still have a lot of work to do as we readjust to a
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post-pandemic economy. mark: republicans aren't buying including freshman ashley henson of the first district of iowa, record spending equals record inflation, life is and will continue to be more expensive for americans as the administration goes on their taxpayer-funded spending spree. republicans will continue fighting to rein in spending and make life more comfortable. there's no doubt that the economy will play a role in the election. next week we will be giving an update on the economy and july job's report due out on friday. unemployment rate ticked up last month ever so slightly to just under 6%. charles, we will have to wait what the unemployment is for the rest of the summer. charles: we are all on pins and needles. as the white house is claiming or would it actually make it worst, let's ask economist steve moore and democratic strategist.
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steve: the idea that you will stop inflation by passing a 4 trillion-dollar spending bill is like saying you're going to top forest fire by dumping gasoline. most americans understand that's economy illogic to the greatest degree. this has been a robust expansion. i think the economy would have brought in 10% if trump were still president. two or three wining worries, one is the inflation that you talked about, charles, a second real concern is getting workers back on the job. we have to get rid of extra unemployment benefits. i think there's a lot of fear and anxiety in the financial markets and among major business leaders that we may see democrats do a new round of lockdowns of the economy. charles: kelly. >> well, according to recent ap poll, a majority of americans support the way biden has handled our economy.
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the federal reserve head has come out and said the inflation is only short-term. inflation is only temporary. we need to build back better. we need to invest in infrastructure that's not going to affect our demand, it's going to only help our supply and we need to build back better and invest in our future because if we don't invest in the future, invest in. charles: i will say two things quick, kelly, he's not so confident that inflation is short-term that he won't keep printing money, so, you know, once we see perhaps the fed change course, then we will probably know. when we talk about inflation and you talk about what creates inflation, government spending, more money in the system. right now americans are expecting 4.7 and 4.8 in inflation over the next year.
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that's most important to them. what do you say to them? >> well, i would disagree with you on that. it's important for us to invest in the future and by investing in the infrastructure we are not creating more demand. we have to remember, economics 101, it's about supply and demand. we have had a year where people haven't been in the economy, they've been in home and now people are getting out, traveling and investing more in our economy. and that's why it's important for us to invest in the infrastructure, to build back better, to help the economy. charles: you know, steve, there's not a lot of debate per se over the infrastructure and how the pay for it and nuances and the late-inning things that they are trying to sneak in there. but the big issue here and many people are concerned about is what comes after, the $3.5 trillion spending bill which in reality is probably 5 to 6 trillion, you know, that's what i think a lot of folks from wall street to main street are really concerned about and by the way, the most recent npr
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polls since quoting polls about more than concern, by far is inflation even more concerning than wages, steve. steve: that's right, charles. i make a couple of minutes. number 1 if you look at $3.5 trillion spending bill and kelly was talking about investment and i'm all for it, i think it's vital for the country. why would you want to raise the capital gains tax, the dividend tax, the corporate tax, the tax and going back to economics 100, if you tax you get more of it and not lots of it. we should get rid of tax increases, they would be extremely negative for the economy and would only help china and competitors. charles, don't call this an infrastructure bill. i mean, i've looked at this bill, it's a green new deal bill. why should the taxpayer, kelly v to pay for people to recharge their teslas on the dime of the
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taxpayer? i mean, the federal government didn't buy, you know, purchased and build gasoline stations when we had the invention of the car. i just don't understand a lot of the subsidies for wind and solar and electric vehicles. i'm all for it but i think the taxpayer should pay for it. charles: kelly, you can address -- but also one other thing. i want to stick with inflation really since that's the big topic. 296 s&p companies reported earnings so far this earnings period, 1,000%, 1,000%, we started the show by noting how many companies said we are going to raise the prices. kelly, they will not bring the prices down. you have to have some concerned that americans are going to have a tough time dealing with that particularly when real wages after inflation has been down every single month this year. >> well, first off, i believe that we should increase the wages, we should increase minimum wages.
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having said that, as i said before, inflation, this is just temporary and that's why it's really important for us because there's such a great demand out there to help with supply and that's why it's important to pass the infrastructure bill. we need to invest in roads, we need to invest in people being able to communicate. we need to invest in our future because if we don't do that, we are not going to have a future. charles: okay, i'm with you, and i'm with steve. i would like to see infrastructure but they're sneaking a lot of stuff in the last minute. covid confusion and more mixed messages with the cdc, we have dr. makary. no testing at the border despite cases charging. now calling it a health crisis for americans.
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charles: more protests in paris over covid restrictions and mixed messages coming from the cdc. director rochelle after reaction from bret baier. griff: charles, good morning, cleanup is the right word. last night director ralensky stunned viewers when she answered bret's question about a possible federal vaccine mandate. watch. >> that's something that i think the administration is looking into. it's something that we are looking to see approval from the vaccine. overall, i think, in general i'm all for more vaccination but, you know, i have nothing further to say on that except that we are looking into this policy. griff: that created a fire storm forcing the director to walk it back taking to twitter an hour
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later writing to clarify, they'll be no nationwide mandate. i was referring to mandates by private institutions in portions oh testify federal government. there will be no federal mandate. this after a disastrous week for the cdc on messaging reversing their guidance, calling for vaccinated americans to mask up in areas where the delta variant is surging which president biden had to clean up in this exchange with our very own peter doocy. [inaudible] >> that was true at the time. new variant get along. they didn't get vaccinated. people were getting sick. griff: this after the white house announced several new incentives to get more americans vaccinated. 100 bucks to get the shot and pop-up vaccination clinics at schools. but charles, adding to fears on more restrictions possibly on the horizon when the president
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was asked about that boarding marine 1 last night. he said, quote, in all probability. char all of themessaging, hurtie confidence -- no longer need to wear a mask indoors or outdoors and felt like we were home free, if you will. i know the science changes. this science seems rapidly on the messaging that we are getting almost since this whole thing began. doctor: well, good morning, charles. we always knew that the remaining non-immune part of the population was going to get infected and we thought it was fall and winter and slow growth curve and what happened is delta came along and ripped through
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the communities and low-vaccination communities, mostly in 5 states where 50% of the cases are coming from and so i get the idea of changing a recommendation but when you move to a mandate, you politicize the issue. charles: yeah, and, of course, we saw flip-flop from the cdc director and still the question from the cbs reporter that president biden saying that there will be more restrictions. everyone is bracing to see exactly what that would be. you have to assume they are driving through white house lawyers so they can go with this. how is this impacting the success, getting folks off the fence. you talked to a lot of people, you know people that are hesitant. is this hurting or harming the cause? doctor: a mandate sort of signals this is warfare with government state and those individuals, vaccine mandates hurtment you win more bees with honey and fire and what we found doctors on the bedside from patient who is are nob compliant
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and don't want to do things that we ask them to do, if you make a case in a way that's relatable when their friends or testimonies and they see other people get in trouble with the virus and they change their mind and biggest barrier for not getvaccine is the government. this is not fda fully approved. when you have the message it contradicts the message that it's safe and we want everyone to get it. charles: doctor, i want to ask you about the process, the approval process, the fda, feels like people are wondering what's stalling them, what is it taking, why is it taking so long for full approval of all these covid-19 vaccines. i mean, you have to assume that once this happens that will help this -- this challenge, this goal of the white house, what would be holding it up right now? doctor: bureaucratic phase and
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cmc, chemistry manufacturing and controls and that's where the company has to show that the drug has good stability testing and they are waiting on the stability testing data to roll in in order to prolong the expiration date longer. now you would say this is absurd. the safety profile box has been checked, but the stability testing is something we are still waiting on. we don't need to know how long to extend expiration date, we need to send a message that 190 million americans have gotten vaccines with impeccable safety, that's the biggest bank that the government can do to increase vaccinations far more than mandates and far more than celebrities running ads and politicians begging people. charles: how much more money the
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drug companies can make? >> we heard stories from people i talked to within the administration that companies have proposed anti-viral medications and evaluations of existing medications but right now there's a clear-cut path path to ending the pandemic that the administration has identified and it does not include therapeutics, it's vaccinating every human being in the united states. when you put out a strong vigorous message on vaccinating every human being, you're ignoring natural immunity and alienates about a third to half of the country that has natural immunity that's saying, wait a minute, i would like to see the science that i absolute law need to do it because my natural immunity is powerful and the reality is the science is on the side of those arguing that natural immunity works. charles: wow. that's a big issue for a whole lot of people. dr. makary as usual, thank you so much. really informative. we learned a lot. no testing and free movement for migrants at the border despite
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covid-19 cases surging. meet the sergeant in la joya, texas first exposed it and now calling it a crisis. get a quote today.
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>> if they are covid positive, it's not fair to local communities. people are being released there that might have covid-19 and we need to make sure that we communicate with each other and what i'm asking for the biden administration, do a pause, they need to prioritize border communities, they need to prioritize the men and women of dhs. it's certainly not fair for the border communities to -- to leave people that are sick and not even tell the local communities like la joya.
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charles: texas democrat congressman henry cuellar with me on your world this week calling out the biden administration as covid cases are surging at the border. my next guest says this is a health risk for americans, his department was the first to expose the situation in la joya. sergeant manuel, sergeant, just share your story. it's fascinating. you've met this family at a whataburger? >> yes, sir, good morning, charles. yes, that's correct. this week we ran into this family at a whataburger -- at a whataburger restaurant and that's what sparked everything and that's how we found out that we had these immigrants that were positive for covid in our city. charles: apparently they were showing signs, so it was obvious they weren't feeling well, maybe they came through the border that way and they also have proper documentation so i think
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that's what makes a lot of people concerned about all of this, what kind of screening are we doing down there, what kind of screening do you think we are doing? >> as far as the screening, i believe the u.s. border patrol does screen them. the charity groups that pick up these individuals, because you have to remember, these people -- border patrol, where they house them they are overwhelmed already, so the charities come in and -- and they pick these people up. they themselves say they test them. they may put them in hotels around the cities in our country especially here in south texas and they tell them to quarantine but they don't obey that and there's nobody guarding these people. charles: right. so this family, again, they're in a hotel and they decide they are hungry and everyone in the restaurant potentially exposed and this scene is happening all through the united states. it's amazing that you brought this to the world, to this
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country but what happens now, what should be happening right now? has anything changed in the last couple of days? >> yes. well, we have the executive order from the -- from the governor, the city leaders here in la joya and adjacent cities to us have come together to come up with some type of a solution, at least short-term for now. of course, the long-term is -- i'm sorry, about that, the long-term is changing these laws. i mean, this is -- this is truly a crisis. every day we here in this small city community see hundreds of immigrants coming into our city. they come out of the brush because they just crossed the river and this is on a daily, daily basis. charles: of course, also the got aways and those numbers are astronomical and no one knows how many of them may have -- may
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have covid-19 and, again, they settle in any part in this country, so it just seems this is -- we are talking about a national health crisis. president biden is pounding the table on this. he's taking swift action trying to make changes so that we can nip this in the bud and we've got this major, major hole in the system that no one is addressing and you have really people actually looking the other way as folks like you in the front line who is are doing the best but it can't be contained the way it is now, can it? >> no, there's no way. i mean, without reality -- you would have to be here to see this. seeing it on tv is one thing and seeing it every day, we see it on the front lines because we assist border patrol, it's astronomical the number of people. some of them are coughing, they are obviously sick and -- and there's no doubt, i mean, we protect ourselves, we wear our
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face covering and we wear our gloves and do our best so we can continue helping others. if we get sick, then we are out of the game. that's a problem and then these people are getting out to other places around the country and people don't know that the cityr state. the governor's order, explain more about that if we can, we have a minute to go but i want the audience to understand at least what some officials are trying to do down there. >> well, that executive order is directed towards more -- towards texas dps, so they would be the ones that -- that would cover that part. but i can tell you that it does say -- state on there that anybody that's -- that's traveling with undocumented immigrants, if they are suspected of having covid they are to return back to place to origin. if they are in a hotel, they
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have to go back to the hotel. they can impound their car. that's just one of the parts to the solution that is trying to be addressed here. hopefully we can come up with one. charles: i can hear the stress in your voice and we know you are going through something really tough. you're obviously trying to keep everyone protected and safe. thank you for your service and we -- we appreciate you taking the time, thank you sergeant casas. >> thank you, charles. charles: senate about to be back in session this morning to work on the infrastructure bill but it's all teeing up a massive 3 and a half trillion dollar spending bill, would inflation worries stop this? republican senator hagerty is here on that. google, apple, all return to office as delta variant rises. meet the doctor who thinks it's timeve for more companies to do
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last 24 hours, what do you think in senator: it's like groundholiday, charles. they keep saying they have a deal. you get right to the finish line and then they don't have one again. i do think they are close but this is extraordinarily frustrating and damaging to the economy, what they are talking about. charles: one of the principal issues how green they can make the deal even at the expense of patching roads. do you think your colleagues will at some point say, okay. senator: well, i don't know what chuck schumer's ultimate goal is. they have been pretty clear. they will push through the $3.5 trillion completely partisan package. it's a tax and spending spree as you see and they will try to put it alongside the so-called bipartisan package which is a shield for them and it's actually a ploy to say that they've got bipartisanship when, indeed, what they are shoving through everything that people worked hard to negotiate out of the bipartisan deal. it's not good-faith and not
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compromise and i don't see much bipartisan in this at all. charles: you talk about how this has been going on for weeks now. not long ago president biden took a victory lap on the bipartisan nature of this only to almost immediate i will say it had to coincide with the 3 and a half trillion dollars. he kind of walked that back but nancy pelosi has not. and so is this really a bipartisan deal, is it still being held hostage to your point the 3 and a half trillion dollar bill? senator: i think nancy pelosi has been very clear. she's not going to even look at the so-called bipartisan bill until she has $3.5 trillion package right in front of her. i've been a business person all my life, charles. you spend more time negotiating out of the deal. you focus what isn't in the deal and more important what's in it. raising debt taxes, crippling taxes on corporations and killing the fossil fuel industry
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and that's what you will see in the $3.5 trillion package. it'll devastating to america. charles: let's talk about inflation for a moment. consumer sentiment came in significant below what wall street anticipated because the inflation read was at a 13-year high. democrats continuous i will say that this 3 and a half trillion dollars will actually drive inflation down. it's an argument that turns economics 101 on its head but it is something they're putting out there to the american public, what do you say? senator: i think that if you look at the inflation already in the economy. gasoline prices since biden took off. every good that we buy has to be transported. that's inflationary. home prices up 20%, rents are up. it's not temporary. you talk about the march covid relief package, 1.9 trillion and
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you had 3.5 trillion that nancy pelosi is not doing until she gets all put together, we are looking at perhaps 3 to 4 times the size of a normal gdp when the economy in one year. that's inherently inflationary. charles: i have a minute to go. i know there's a lot of talk about trying to maybe extend the eviction moratoriums and i'm hearing some talk also maybe extending the federal unemployment benefits because of the rise of the delta variant. are you hearing that at all in senator: i've heard about it. i tell you what i'm hearing from employers, we have far more job openings in tennessee than people unemployed. our employers are competing against the federal government. it's devastating if for economy and hard on people too. people need the pride of work and i think it's really unfortunate when you have the federal government cutting the other direction. charles: senator, hagerty, thank you very much, appreciate it. folks, you are looking live at
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customers since the pandemic hit in march 2020. it's really nice inside the mardi, they have food, drinks, pools, there's even a roller coster on top before estimated 4,000 passengers can enjoy any of that, they'll be screened for covid. meaning folks will have to answer questions about symptoms until either a negative test or a vaccine card before they can cruise on mardi gras. >> we have to know, are you vaccinated or not because there are different protocols and procedures for people who are vaccinated than from people that are on the ship that are not -- that are not vaccinated. charles: you know, after cdc restrictions forced cruise operators to dock for more than a year. on friday royal caribbean stocks fell after six passengers aboard its adventure of the sea ship tested positive for the virus. now the company says all
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passengers departing from the u.s. for 5 nights or longer will need to show a negative covid test before they board and as the delta variant continues to spread rapidly, the cruise industry and the ports that depend on it like port canaveral are hoping new covid protocols on ships are enough to keep the struggling industry afloat. >> we had 42% of the workforce that go basically from last july and right now we are bringing people back slowly. charles: and they're expecting four more ships to set sail in port canaveral in august but tonight of the attention is on the mardi gra sets sail at 6:00 o'clock, charles. charles: i tell you, that's one heck of a ship. charles, thank you very much. meanwhile the delta variant is leading more companies to return to office plans, indeed, apple, google, some of the latest that they'll be delaying employees return.
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fox business susan li has the details. susan. charles: i'm sorry? okay. so are these -- fox business susan li has the details. susan: this week silicon valley joined some of the world's biggest companies delayed return to the office with most now requiring workers that come back to get vaccinated beforehand. apple, alphabet, uber delaying the return by a month. you have a lift indeed road block delaying until next year, 2022. now apple ceo tim cook confirming to me they are delaying the return to office by a month saying that we were coming back in early september and we started seeing the delta
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variant take off within the u.s. particularly the last two or three weeks, we decide today push that at least october and we continue to monitor and to conclude whether we should push it further or not. now, apple not requiring its workers, returning workers to be vaccinated but other companies and that includes google parent alphabet and you have facebook, uber, twitter and not just in tech, morgan stanley, norwegian cruise lines, fedex and ups, the covid testings are under the last administration's says they should feel safe doing so. >> i think that if it's the company's decision that being non-virtual is the right thing to do, if you're vaccinated, you are highly protected. if you're not vaccinated, you can easily get tested once a week or twice a week to make sure that you're not going to pass it to someone else and having reasonable ventilation. i would feel very safe going back to work under those parameters. susan: the takeaway if the world's biggest companies are
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delaying return to work, that means that other companies will likely follow suit and with the delay reopening that also delays economic recovery. charles: susan, thank you very much. are the companies making the right move, colombia medical center dr. craig spencer joins me now. doctor, the largest companies obviously, they could afford to kind of do these things, you would think working remote be sort of in a wheelhouse of a google and so forth, but what about companies that aren't necessarily equipped for this that have already struggled in the pandemic? >> well, i think like so many things during the pandemic, it'll continue to be difficult. look at the presentation you just had on the cruise industry. look, this has been tragic and it's been economically devastating for many organizations, many companies. that being said, i think that what we are seeing with google and with facebook and in twitter
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and other, you know, big-private big organizations or private companies is going to extend. we've already seen hundreds of colleges and universities require vaccination for the fall semester. we have seen states like new york and new york city where i live putting out, you know, broader mandates. i think, you know, we all got to see this feeling that the pandemic was largely over and was behind us for the summer and what they have seen in the past few weeks with the surge of the delta variant and many people will start reconsidering and rethinking the return to work, many of that were looking at this post-labor day going back to some sense of normalcy but what we are learning about delta and the concerns that are surfacing, i think a lot of people are getting more skittish and you will see mandates that will be put into effect. charles: there's no doubt about it and at the same tone we heard the governor of new york urging private employers to get
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everyone back by labor day. it feels like got to get the kids back in school so that the child care issue is checked off and kids can start to learn again. the small businesses and smaller businesses that rely on the ecosystem of the large company, folks going out for lunch, people parking their cars, all of that stuff really hanging in the balance. what would you like to see before you felt comfortable with companies going back to -- to the office, perhaps as early as september? doctor: i would like to see more people vaccinated. look, i'm impacted in all the ways that you just mentioned. my wife works in midtown manhattan and for an organization that's determining whether they are going to go back and when they will go back safely. i work in an emergency room. keeping people out of the emergency room sick with covid is quite beneficial and i have a kid that's going to be to prek at public school in new york city starting in a couple of weeks. i'm concerned in the same way that everybody else. what i do think is important
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that people know is with delta it seems like you're either going to be vaccinated or you will get covid at this point because it's such -- >> charles. doctor: best way to be safe and keep yourself out of the hospital and ever need to go meet me is to get vaccinated and that's what prevents death even with the confusing messages in the past few weeks. charles: dr. spencer, appreciate it. hear what they want to do now and it proves that the defund movement is backfiring. we will go back to the border where texas republican greg abbott is trying to restrict how migrants are moving with covid spiking and why is the justice department now moving to restrict him?
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charles: as crime continues to spike major cities seem to be rethinking that defund the police movement, seattle and dc both scrambling to add officers after recent shootings. so is the defund movement backfiring, former nypd darren. at some point it gets overwhelming even those claiming that police was the problem and now they are saying, please help us. i'm sure you're not surprised by this, are you? >> i absolutely not. be careful what you wish for when you may get it. when we looked at the defund police metaphor that emerged last year we had lawmakers and elected officials all over the country that were looking to put together this robust strategy and defunding the police, however, they are now running around with head on fire because they see because this has in essence blown in their face. a lot of the democrats lost in
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down-ballot elections based on siding with the defund police movement and as we have seen the rise in crime has put them in a bad place. charles: representative cryburn try today warn them about all of that and it's interesting that you mention the lawmakers who have amazing security themselves. let's talk, though, about on the other side of it because now it's one thing to say, hey, we do need police, we are seeing a wave of officers around the country hanging up, they're not getting the support and demonized and that's making our cities less safe. how do we turn that around? >> well, the rate that departments are experiencing around the country are somewhat troubling because as we look at response times that have increasingly larger it begs the question of what can we do to get more officers on these police departments, however, there seems to be a state and
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police departments need to partner with elected officials in the community to broker a truce to a solution having more officers come into the department because the public sees the department but should be the symbiotic relationship. charles: there are still places like oakland where i had the opportunity to interview the police chief there. it was so heartbreaking. he just talked about the rise in crime and they are taking money from that department. between that and sending civilians into dangerous situations like domestic issues where i know officers face amazing danger, you still have -- aren't we still seeing too many cities going down the wrong path? >> it's unfortunate. when you mention the oakland police chief. i saw him in tears on television begging and pleading with funding the department because the rise in crime is decimating
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the community. we hear a lot of the solutions such as send in social workers as opposed to police officers, that's not the answer. we need trained professionals and to have trained professionals which is practitioners and law enforcement requires them to fund them with the necessary resources. so that being said, we need to take a step back and let the practitioners take the step forward to assure crime reduction strategy is plausible and it works because public safety is under siege in america. charles: of course, some of the cities had to learn that the hard way, be refinded the hard way. we take it for granted when we shouldn't. darren, i appreciate you coming on and wend we do hope that at e point the senate gets through some of the laws that they have been working on. we know senator scott working diligently along with cory booker. thank you very much, my friend. we will talk to you soon. we have a busy next hour with the battle at the border as
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they say that they're releasing covid positive migrants in the united states. now, lindsey graham and henry cuellar saying they should appoint johnson as the border czar. i've been very respectful and supportive of the administration, but something has to change. >> citing covid concerns, texas governor greg abbott stopping vehicles with migrants. and abbott says that the biden administration created a constitutional crisis between the federal government and the state of texas, this stems from the biden's administration's refusal to enforce immigration lays and those were covid-19 to enter our country. the justice department claims it's texas's attempt to enforce
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immigration laws, they can't do that. the department of justice has filed an emergency motion to try to stop what texas is doing immediately and that's something that's now been filed and working its way through the courts, charles. charles: rich, thank you very much. so, as migrants are crossing the border without being checked for covid, is governor abbott's new order the right thing to do regardless of this doj lawsuit? chris is a border patrol union fooip. what's going on? apparently it's sort of mind-boggling to me. covid-19 and delta variant is dominating the headlines, it's the number one story in this country, except, it seems like for your job and folks in texas where there's very little effort being made to address the issue. your thoughts? >> yeah, you know, i think that people are becoming numb to what's going on down here on the border. not everyone we encounter we test, only those exhibiting
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some type of symptoms and not everybody has symptoms that has it and we're releasing people out the door day in, day out with actual positive tests for covid and more just keep popping up. charles: do you plan right now, what's the plans in terms of going through with this order? >> well, you know, i mean, as far as we're concerned, you know, if it's an order that comes from our management, we have no choice, but to obey it. i think it's probably going to add more people in border patrol custody, which we don't have space for the people that we do have and if we start backlogging them, it will get worse. the administration needs to come up with real solutions, come down and visit and see what's going on and get to work on this problem. >> yeah, you're-- this is the epitome of the proverbial rock and a hard place. the more folks that come in who aren't tested, the greater chance that more covid cases will spring up around the country, particularly down there, and to your point, you don't have the facilities, the
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manpower, the help at all. it sounds like a hopeless situation. we don't want to believe that's the case though, do we? >> you know, i hope not, but i mean, in our area, just last week we apprehended over 20,000 people just in one week in this sector alone. we're seeing 2, 3,000 a day just in this area. so, and that's just what we're catching. that has nothing, even on the amount of people that are getting away from us. the manpower is very low, we're stretched very thin and it's difficult when the administration doesn't care what's going on down here. charles: you know, you mention the administration and coming down. of course, vice-president harris finally made the trip to texas, it was criticized for a lot of reasons. do you feel like the administration mostly checked the box and has moved on to other things? >> yeah, you know, i believe they did check the box. unfortunately checked the wrong box, they didn't go to the area hit the hardest or even second, third, fourth in line. they didn't come to where anything is happening. granted el paso is busy in its
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own right, but nowhere the near the top of what's going on in the state of texas. charles: what about the men and women who work with you, the members of the union. what's the esprit decour like there? >> we have a not of quarantined agents on top of agents that are actually sick with covid. so we're concerned about catching it ourselves. we're concerned about our families and our co-workers. and it just seems that, you know, everybody is turning a blind eye to it when we have a situation down here. there are people dying trying to cross this river with this false hope that the administration's given them. charles: you mentioned the administration. have you tried to reach out to them? we know, of course, we've had-- i've had the opportunity to interview democratic representative cuellar twice in the last two weeks. he's desperately making the
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very same comments that you're making, the same pleas that you're making. what are you doing to try to get the attention of this administration? >> i know the union has been in touch with those in d.c. we haven't gotten anything except for the republican side of the aisle and obviously, representative cuellar, he's actually been down here, part of our area is his area, and you know, he's the only one that seems to be voting with his conscience as opposed to voting along party lines. charles: so in the meantime, we just kind of braced for perhaps the worst possible outcome, that's what it sounds like. >> yeah, you know, it's unfortunate because every month that goes by we hit a new high water mark and we thought, you know, 77,000 was a big deal and now we're looking at almost 200,000 and it's getting really, really bad. charles: chris, in the last couple days people are suggesting maybe a border czar, jay johnson, who actually did
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good work down there and gave some outlines and some parameters that seemed to help at the time. do you think that would help the situation? >> you know, i think they do need a bar border czar, i've met mr. johnson, but we need somebody who has a no nonsense approach and mandatory detention, mandatory handle on s going on. charles: yeah, i've met jay johnson, too, i think he's a principal first and they need someone perhaps down there. you need help. thank you so much, we feel for you, we understand what you're going through and we'll always keep checking in on you, thanks a lot, chris. >> thank you. charles: of course, people and their health matter the most, but will an uptick in covid cases make our economy sick, too? will the lawmakers and the new rules be the reason why? and steve and kelly are coming back. and vaccine, job, no job, can
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♪♪ >> the way we see this is that we have the tools in our tool belt to fight this variant, to fight this vaccine and we are not -- we are not going to head towards a lockdown. we want to make sure that we're doing everything that we can because after passing the historic rescue plan, we have the resources to make sure that doesn't happen. charles: well, despite what the white house says, worries are up over potential new lockdowns, would that send the economy down? with us, the co-founder for committee to unleash prosperity, steve moore and democratic strategist, kelly people are more afraid with more restrictions, more lockdowns. how would that be for the economy and what kind of hit
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would that mean? >> first off, if people are concerned then they should get vaccinated. we haven't reached herd immunity and that's the issue. we live in a great country. we have enough vaccines for everyone to get vaccinated. we are very blessed. but if we don't reach herd immunity, 70%, then we have some serious concerns, which is going to affect our economy, it's going to harm small businesses, it's going to harm the american people, and so, that's why it's really important. we have the resources to do it. and so it's important for people to-- >> it sounds like punishment when you put it that way, kelly, if you don't get vaccinated we'll shut down your community and you'll lose your job. >> absolutely, that's not true and that's absolutely not. that's not-- a false narrative and the science shows that 99% of the people that have died because of the new variant are unvaccinated people. my thoughts and prayers to anyone affected by the vaccine and been harmed by it, but we
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have to go with the science and that's what the science shows, and so that's really important, it's not a punishment because it's going to affect all of us, people that are vaccinated are not going to be able to do it and harm businesses of people that are vaccinated. we're all in this together. it's not a punishment. charles: steve. okay, i gotcha. steve, so far, knock on wood, count our blessings, deaths and hospitalizations have not spiked the way cases have. so with that in mind, understanding the economic damage and the mental and even other types of damage that the lockdowns did have on our economy, what would -- i mean, how concerned are you that we may go back there? >> i am concerned. and by the way, i agree almost entirely with what kelly just said. it's important for people to get vaccinated if they're adults. i'm not so certain that children should, but anyone over age 30 should get
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vaccinated and this new variant thank god is not nearly as deadly as the previous variant. look, i also think, by the way, once you're vaccinated you don't have to worry about whether your neighbor is vaccinated or not. in terms of the economic impact. the thing that frustrates me about the whole debate whether we should go back to lockdowns and stay at home orders is we should have learned the lesson what happened over the last year and a half. the evidence is crystal clear that lockdowns have no positive effect whatsoever on health outcomes. one the best point estimates of that is just compare california and florida. and florida, you know, did not lock down their economy. california was locked down the entire year, had much more unemployment, much more numbers of business failures and yet actually age adjusted florida had the lower death rate than california so it worries me that people seem to have learned the wrong lesson of what we've been through the last year and a half.
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lockdowns are ineffective. people should act responsibly and i think we can get past this. i'm really worried though there's a lot of chatter know you about more business lockdowns which could be catastrophic. charles: there's no doubt there's certainly chatter. i want to switch gears quick. democratic congresswoman ilhan omar proposing a new big handout, new guaranteed income bill which would send $1200 a month to most americans. kelly, how do you feel about that? >> look, people have been struggling personally and professionally and financially and my thoughts go to people that are struggling to put food on their table, but i think it's important for us, for people to get back to work and to do that and that's why i go back to what i said before of why it's so important for us to get vaccinated because we're all in this together, and if we're not, then it's going to harm the economy and we're going to be going backwards rather than forwards. charles: so you don't think it's a good idea.
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i interviewed a woman who owns a small business in stockton, california. she hired a robot, a fantastic story and she said nobody want today work there. that's one of the towns that's been experimenting with universal basic income. i don't think there's any evidence it's ever worked anywhere, it doesn't make sense intuitively and it hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried so far, but maybe it could become a national plan. what do you think? >> well, you know, it's interesting about this debate about the universal basic income. a year or two ago if you would have asked me, i was undecided providing enough money for people to have a certain living standard would make sense or not now we've had the evidence, charles, and it really shows that giving people free money, whether it's unemployment benefits or sending out all of these checks and by the way when you take all of, the free health care, free rental assistance all of this stuff, we're paying some families, 75, $100,000 a year for not working
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and it's had a very negative effect on work and you've mentioned it, it's difficult for our small business men and women, construction companies and mom and pop stores to compete with rich uncle sam some cases providing 30, $40 an hour for not working a single hour. charles: kelly, are you hearing anything trying to nudge that unemployment program further now that we've seen a spike in major cities? >> i haven't, but as i've said before, i think it's important we need to know that we're all in this together. and it's important for people to speak to their doctor about getting vaccinated. because i think that that's really going to help us and it's for the better for all of us. >> and they just-- just yesterday the biden administration said they want to extent the rental assistance, that you can't evict people if they're not
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paying the rent. that's a real hardship for people who own apartment buildings. we're going to run out of affordable housing in the country because nobody is paying their rent. charles: the white house would have done it if it hadn't been for a recent supreme court decision. >> exactly. charles: steve and kelly, thank you to the fantastic conversation. and earlier, nancy mace is here for her mask message for speaker nancy pelosi. get the jab or get a new job. more and more employers are demanding workers get the vaccine whether they want to or not. is it legal? andy mccarthy is next. the safe pilots. for mac. who can come to a stop with barely a bobble. lucia. who announces her intentions even if no one's there. 0ish9sz who leaves room for her room. with usaa safepilot, when you drive safe... can save up to 30%
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>> walmart and disney are joining a growing group of businesses that are requiring vaccinations, but are these mounting vaccine mandates
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legal? andy mccarthy is a fox news contributor and also a former u.s. assistant attorney. andy, thanks for joining us. we know that businesses generally can do what they want, private businesses can. but this is certainly something that also feels invasive. in other words, you're telling me to put something into my body, something that is making rounds to an emergency measure and not fully even vetted by the f.d.a. is there -- does that change the legal calculus here? does this tilt it more in favor of people saying, hey, this is overstepping your boundaries? >> charles, i think the biden administration will be better when these things are challenged in court and state governments instead of an emergency authorization had full authorization, but that said, the courts have looked pretty leniently on governments
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who tried to impose mandates. there was an important decision a couple of weeks ago, a federal court in indiana said that the university of indiana could compel vaccine mandates on students. they had a group of students who challenged the mandate that they get vaccinated and what the court said was, basically, supreme court jurisdiction prudence going back to the beginning of the 20th century to small pox, allows governments to do this and as long as they have exemptions for fundamental rights based regions like religious exemptions. if you have a religious objection to getting vaccinated, states will probably be in the clear. that doesn't mean it's a good idea, but legally probably be fine. charles: fine. i did have a chance to interview the union chief in charge of the paramedics and emt workers in new york city who is actually pretty upset about some of the handling and messaging of all of this. is there any part of this
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component -- some of these businesses with large union workers, if they push back, maybe there's be a greater chance of a challenge in court or just there's so much legal precedence already established, it doesn't matter? >> i always think, charles, that the politics of this stuff ends up being more important than the law in the sense that, the unions have, especially when you have democratic administrations and in blue states and certainly with the biden administration, they have a lot more political muscle and political influence. so even if the court -- even if the governments are on solid ground. if they push the matter in court. the fact of the matter is, it's one thing for a court to say to a government, yes you're allowed to do this and another thing to get it enforced in a reasonable way because you only have finite enforcement assets and if you try to enforce
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things that you just don't have the assets to enforce, you only end up promoting disrespect to the law anyway. so the best way to do it is to try to convince them it's the right way to go. >> right. and i think these large employees see the point and probably will end up, you know, i think you're going to see more businesses joining some of the larger employers. andy, always appreciate it, thank you so much. >> thanks, charles. charles: a lot of officials and lawmakers are telling residents now to mask up again. in georgia, savannah, they became the first city to impose their mandate this week. mayor, thank you for joining us. from what i understand counties near you under 10% and your county went to 11 1/2, 12%, was that the trigger for you to say okay, this thing is moving in the wrong direction and i want to err on the side of caution? >> first of all, thanks for the
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opportunity. i think what was happening for us, georgia vaccination rates are low, we had over 200% increase in state of georgia, we tripled our community transmission index. our hospitalizations went from zero in a little less than a month to now over 100. savannah is a beautiful city with over 15 million visitors to come and visit us, to live, work and play, so we recognize that our reality was, to do what we could minimally, to be able to ensure that people are able to enjoy themselves in our cities, but yet, still not try to slow down our business and economy that we need so much. >> the efforts to get folks vaccinated. it seems it's going to be maybe even tougher, now that so many people have been vaccinated, you know, the so-called break through cases. and they still end up getting
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the delta variant and they're still told to wear masks. in other words, if i'm on the fence about vaccination and i have to wear a mask anyway, does that remove the sort of urgency factor for me to go out and get the vaccination? >> that's why messaging is so important. in chatham county, savannah, we're about 42% vaccinated which means most in the county are not vaccinated. and people who have gotten the breakthrough cases are sick, but they don't go to the hospital and they certainly don't die. those that are not vaccinated, almost all of those that are hospitalized at this point in our community are people who have not been vaccinated. i'm familiar with a couple that died last week, husband and wife, within hours of each other, neither one vaccinated. younger people, not vaccinated, they're dying. they're going to the hospital. i mean, breakthrough cases are clearly recognized and as 100% and we recognize the efficacy
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the vaccine-- >> mayor, what efforts -- you're a close knit community, i've been down there, it's just beautiful. >> thank you. charles: what changes in messaging are you trying to do? it must be extraordinarily frustrating for you to have such low numbers, even as people watch relatives pass away? >> it is extraordinarily frustrating. we watched, we waited, we prayed for a solution and we got a solution through operation warp speed and ended up with moderna, pfizer and johnson & johnson, we have a means to get through this. we remember how hard it was in april and may and june of last year. we don't want to go -- it's extremely frustrating to me so i'm willing to do all that we can. if we're looking at incentives to help people get there, let's do what we have to do to get there. charles: mayor van johnson, good luck with everything and thank you for coming in. >> thank you, come see us.
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charles: i will. simone biles raising really new doubts about returning to tokyo competition. a lot of folks offering opinions on this. we thought we'd talk to somebody who knows exactly what she's going through. four time olympic medalist dominique dawes is here. security at your fingertips. control feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins? heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid.
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competition to focus on her mental health. she later revealed on instagram she'd been dealing with the twisties and has now withdrawn from tomorrow's individual finals in the vault and uneven bars. here to discuss this, olympic gymnast dominique dawes. thank you so much. you were a trail blazer in so many ways and you understand perhaps better than almost anyone can what simone is going through now. what do you think she's dealing with? >> oh, the mental blocks are real as you're preparing for such an enormous gymnastics competition, you're dealing with the pressure, things going on with your personal life and the only survivor on the 0 floor. more than sports, she's trying to change the generation and culture in the sport of gymnastics, a lot of pressure and her difficulty level is extremely challenging, extremely high and the caliber of her skills are quite dangerous. so, dealing with a mental block
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during an olympic games would be a nightmare. charles: of course, the only survivor you're referring to, the sexual assaults committed by the former team doctor. the twisties, explain what that is? >> well, the twisties, back in the day when i competed, which was 29 years ago in 1992 for my first olympic games, i can't believe it's been that long, the twisties are when you get lost in mid air and you're flipping and trying to twist. back in the day we used to call it balking, and you would start doing a particular gymnastics air and top in mid air and drop to the ground. this is what she's experiencing not only on the vault, but when she posted something online of training, she's lost in the air even in her twists off the bars and that's what's so challenging about this. simone biles has a number of twists in other different events from vault, dismount, beam dismount and many of the her floor tumbling passes and
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that's going to be a hurdle to overcome. charles: how did you feel and what are people missing who have criticized her, and this decision. >> i've heard a great deal of criticism now and i can't believe it. they have not walked a day in her shoes and you would have to be that high level of a competitor and recognize what level of pressure this young girl has on her to not only help the team win gold, but to win the all around gold and to win individual gold medals as well. it's not an easy feat, while physically she was more than enough talented to do it, there are mental things that come-- can come into play that can distract someone. just think these olympic games are like no others. no one in the stands, friends and family members are not there, that's a variable they have not had to deal with before. i wish her the best and i can't wait for her to speak out more, a lot of us are speculating, but i can relate from my
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previous experience at the olympics and high caliber gymnastics. charles: you hear the weight of the world on his or her shoulders, on her case she was overwhelmingly the favorite and so all the pressure in the world has been on her shoulders and she's saying, hey, stop. we've got to take a timeout. it's not working, and it's so amazing that this is happening in real-time that we're watching it. you have your own school, right, it's the dominique dawes gymnastics and ninja academy. and you check it out and i like what i read you built a child's skills and-- dance week and-- >> simone talked about this not being fun. where is that balance got to come in life in general and specifically in your sport we're pushing people to do things that others can't do, and at the same time enjoy it. >> the key is you're pushing
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children. these are children. we start the sport of gymnastics when we're six years old. i was hired right before i was 24 years old. 18 years of my childhood was very much a job full of stress, feel of pressure, full of fear, full of control and that's why my academy in maryland, dominique dawes gymnastics and ninja academy. it's fun and not just on top of the podium. simone is saying it's not fun anymore and i think she will, you know, she's even quoted and saying she doesn't want to put her future children in the sport of gymnastics, i get it i'm now a mother of four children and prior to becoming a mother i said that exact thing. i did not want my kids to go through what i went through which is why i start this had academy and hope to hope many more in the dmv area. charles: and you're absolutely
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>> we have some big weather stories today from the extreme heat hitting the deep south to heavy rain out west. fox news meteorologist adam klotz is here with all of you. adam. >> hey, charles, big weather piling up in the middle of the country and that's going to be the heat. also some storms in the western half of the country. remember, it's early already today. these are your current forecasted highs out there. a lot of 90's, a lot of 80's. this is the beginning and add in the humidity. we'll see potentially
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record-breaking temperatures. these are watching and warnings from into the southern texas and then where the weather is going to linger not just today. these are the feels-like temperatures, your forecasted highs for saturday and it's going to feel like 105, close to 110 degrees. the heat of the day, you're going to want to stay indoors. it's not going to break for your sunday. maybe cooler, it settles farther into the south, but still, a lot of spots up to 105 degrees and 110 degrees is what it's going to feel like throughout the entire weekend across the deep south. if you live farther west you've seen heavy rain the last couple of days. that continues here on this saturday as we're looking at a good chance of potentially a whole lot of rain piling up in some of these areas. we've got watches and warnings in some of the western states getting you all the way towards the plains, denver, including portions of texas where there are spots of flood warnings on top of burnt ground.
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we could see maybe some flash flooding. areas widespread and saturated ground. another couple inches, two, three, four, five inches in some locations in colorado getting you down into areas of new mexico and over towards texas, arizona and then your forecasted highs for the day, i'll leave you with this, charles. as we said very hot across the south, but it's going to be warm into the pacific northwest as well as you're looking at areas into triple digits. had a lot to pay attention to this weekend, charles. charles: thank you very much. congresswoman nancy mace is here in the moment and with d.c. pushing bailouts to give students a break, is walmart showing we can do to while giving taxpayers is break? but we need something better. that's easily adjustable has no penalties or advisory fee. and we can monitor to see that we're on track. like schwab intelligent income. schwab! introducing schwab intelligent income. a simple, modern way to pay
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>> in the tunnels this morning, socially distanced from anybody else. i've had covid, i've had two vaccinations. i'm washing my hands and even wearing my mask in the chamber and not wearing it anywhere else. madam speaker, come and get me. charles: well, the message is pretty clear. the south carolina congresswoman nancy mace, republican from south carolina joins us now to discuss. representative mace it seems like you've thrown down the gauntlet. what's the message here? the rules are confusing here or you think that to your point, i've read this might be an insane power grab? >> absolutely, charles. i walked into my d.c. office on thursday morning to read that the capitol hill police were directed by nancy pelosi to arrest staffers and visitors on capitol hill who were not wearing a mask. this was an insane, crazy power
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grab by nancy pelosi. this is about politics and control and not about public health. i can't think of a worse idea than to threaten to arrest american citizens for not wearing a mask and rather than have these arguments about mask wearing and not mask wearing, we should be pushing i had a really terrible bout with covid-19, i had long covid ande that we're getting people who need access to vaccinations to get it. having the right conversations and this is the wrong message to send to the american people you could be arrested for not having a mask. >> and what also compounds for me, is this week and also, before when there was also these restrictions and mask mandates there, you see so many politicians who don't wear them. you see events where particularly democrats gather and none of them are wearing masks, so rules for thee, but not for me and that complicates
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the situation. certainly, it might make it murray frustrating. >> absolutely. you can see photos of nancy pelosi yesterday afternoon having a press conference without a mask on. it's say as i do, not do as i say. early on on covid ap throughout last year, i was asking people put on the mask, we're trying to do the best we canment we don't have a lot of data and information. the other one of my frustrations right now, we're getting guidance from the c.d.c., but this data, we don't have the data or good data or good studies what is working and what's not. for me personally, i'm taking certain precautions. i'm not shaking hands right now, i'm fist bumping about as far as i'll go. i'm washing my hands and trying to stay distant, but to arrest someone, if you're going to arrest someone for not wearing a mask, are you going to arrest them for not getting vaccinated. and the hill is not a hot spot. 85% are vaccinated.
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and doesn't take into account the number of individuals that had covid-19. we have to set a good example and stop politicizing covid-19. we have to encourage people to get vaccinated and making sure there's vaccine access in rural area and i can't think of a worst idea advancing efficacy they have to wear a mask outside and that message doesn't work. charles: what do you say to folks who say you're trying to create a sort of situation where it doesn't have to exist and that you're baiting speaker pelosi? i assume you're going to continue what you're doing and to your point in the video, come get me. you've drawn a line in the sand. you're going to keep it there? >> right, absolutely. it's her line in the sand you're going to be arrested. that's a very dangerous precedent for the united states of america. that's something that communist china does. there has to be a balance of
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freedom and also protecting the public health. i'm doing my job as a lawmaker encouraging vaccinations, working with public health officials to ensure people have appropriate data and different counties where they live in my district, ensuring that people in my district knowing where they can get vaccinated. working with public health officials to get them into rural areas and low income areas where there's low vaccine hesitancy and working with community groups to assure you can get vaccinated. getting vaccinated today could save your life, those getting sick with covid-19 and hospitalized are the ones dying, that are not vaccinated. charles: and the people's business, if you will. how are we looking with this infrastructure deal, the debt ceiling and everything else? i mean, it feels like congress waits until the last minute to get these things done. a lot of horse trading and finger pointing. what specifically does in the infrastructure bill look like right now? >> welsh the infrastructure bill, i haven't seen it, don't
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know that it's written at this point. we do know some of the basic outlines of the deal. the thing that we don't know is how it's going to be paid for. are this he going to raise taxes to pay for it in the middle of the pandemic on hard working americans? that's my biggest question right now. one of the largest expenditures in the package would go towards amtrak rather than some of the other infrastructure pieces and also, electrical vehicle charging stations. the government doesn't need to be in business. that's private industry, taking an entire sector of the energy industry away from businesses and entrepreneurs. so i have some questions and the biggest question is how to pay for it. charles: and i keep hearing there's less and less roads in there the more they keep fiddling around with this. representative mace, appreciate it. >> thank you, charles. charles: and gripping d.c., democratics chuck schumer and elizabeth warren are pushing
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for loan forgiveness. and walmart is paying for books for its employees. is walmart showing that the free markets can handle this. with us along with elizabeth pipco here to discuss, gavin, it seems like walmart has got it right. go to works, work hard and they'll pay for the college. >> yes, charles, you're right. walmart is doing it right and showing the private sector can step up to support their employees and families and show that government is not the solution to all of our problems. in fact for this very problem, the affordability issue as it comes to college education is the federal government's guaranteeing of student loans that's driven the cost up exponentially over the past few years. they've not only driven up costs through their intervention in the market to make college more affordable, quote, unquote, they have devalued the very degree itself. i'm glad that walmart stepped up to the plate and i hope
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other employers will do the same. charles: elizabeth, it's so crazy to me with this, because the overwhelming majority of the folks who owe these college loans and who pay them on a monthly basis are in the top two income quintiles. we're taking taxpayer money, money from people who didn't go to college and paying off wealthy americans bill by the way put them in the top two quintile. why do they keep pushing this? >> it's a good question. look, i think if we can learn anything, it's that our lawmakers, our political leaders have it wrong and companies like walmart have it right. this is not the only time that walmart has stepped up. if i recall correctly in 2005 after hurricane katrina fema was criticized for their very slow response to the disaster whereas walmart was praised for generous and quick response. so we've learned literally anything from this, it's whatever our government thinks they can handle, walmart or we the people can handle better.
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charles: what kind of delicious irony that it's walmart. before jeff bezos and amazon that was the number one target of the left. walmart doesn't do this, doesn't to that. of course only hire one and a half million people and provide areas where there's no jobs and hope and everything else. how delicious the irony they're coming up with a solution that costs viewers of this show zero while the government is talking about taking even more taxpayer money. >> it's beautiful. it's great to see and again, as i mentioned, i hope more companies follow suit, it brings them good press, it generates loyalty among their existing consumers and among their employees. so this is a great move all around. in fact, i would hope they would stay true to their slogans and get into the textbook game. as we know textbooks are some of the biggest expenses that college students have to face. they should be sticking $1.99
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stickers on the class books and see the students running to buy them. a good business. and how about if something that were to go through, the spike it could create in college tuition. when they took out the middle man, that's when we saw this new age of higher college tuitions and if this happens, why not go to college, if it works for you, if it doesn't, doesn't matter, someone else is going to pay the bill. >> it's super concerning. i think that nancy mace was talking about it before we go on, things that continue to be talked about without explanation has to how they're going to get funded. i think we should take the walmart sign here and let the good guys handle this and not the government. i don't think that people want to see this happen. i don't think that people realize what it will do to the generation they claim it's going to help when is walmart and others out there it could did so much better. charles: 1.6 trillion and counting. thank you very much. that's a wrap for me, but stick
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