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he is a nice kid. neighbors seem to like him. no record, honor student no. question about it. >> greg: wow. >> geraldo: i didn't know that i didn't know. dagen we owe you one? >> dana: that's it for us. "special report" is up next. >> bret: i will wait for dagen she is go. all right i will go. thanks, dana. good evening, welcome to washington. breaking tonight, the nation's top health agency reverses policy and recommends vaccinated individuals wear masks indoors. a huge setback in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic amid a resurgence fueled by the emergence of highly transmissible delta variant and a fall-off in the number of people taking vaccinations. government is also clarifying whether it is legal for organizations to require those vaccines. president biden says he is considering such a mandate for the federal workforce.
white house correspondent peter doocy starts us off tonight live on the north lawn. good evening, peter. >> good evening, bret. for the first time since may walking through the pressroom to get out here to the live shot position, everybody inside is wearing a mask. the vice president hosted an event late this afternoon, she kept a mask on the whole time. so did everybody else in the building as new signs are going up inside the white house that say masks are now required even for the fully vaccinated that is to comply with the new cdc guidance. >> this is not a decision that we at cdc have made lightly. this weighs heavily on me. >> peter: president biden says more vaccinations and mask-wearing in the areas most impacted by the alan dershowitz will enable us to avoid the kind of lockdowns, shutdowns, school closures and disruptions we faced in 2020. unlike 2020, we have both the scientific knowledge and the tools to prevent the spread of this disease. we are not going back to that. but, he is still searching for
ways to reach the unvaccinated. >> if those oh 100 million people got vaccinated we would be in a very different world. so get vaccinated. if you haven't [inaudible] >> and if people who work for this country's largest employer, the federal government aren't vaxxed, that may soon be required. >> it's under consideration right now. >> this map shows areas most immediately affected by today's masking update. counties with substantial or high covid-19 transmission. >> substantial is orange and high is red. >> and when it's time to go back to school. >> cdc recommends that everyone in k through 12 schools wear a mask indoors including teachers, staff, students, and visitors regardless of vaccination status. >> peter: that's going to be a tough sell in some states. >> i can tell you the folks back home are done with masks. if you have been vaccinated or had the virus i don't see the science behind insisting people wear mask. >> cdc argues the vaccinated may not get sick but they can
spread. >> some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others. >> and with that, today's guidance represents another step backwards. >> why did the president say if you have been fully vaccinated you no longer need to wear a mask. let me repeat. >> let me repeat, if you are fully vaccinated, you no longer need to wear a mask? >> if it was possible that that was going to turn out not to be true. >> well, peter, i think we are all dealing with an evolving virus where there is no playbook and no historic precedent. >> peter: guidance amounts to the biden administration realizing that unvaccinated people are still getting sick and then admitting that even if you got the shot and did everything else that they asked you to do since they took office, six months ago so, that some day you could ditch the mask, they don't think it was enough. bret? >> bret: what about the legality, peter, for employers to require people, workers, to
get vaccinated? >> peter: the biden doj looked at this. they think that is legal. the office of legal counsel at the doj collected to see if these people who challenged vaccine mandates because the vaccine -- because the vaccines still are not fda approved and using emergency authorization can opt out and keep their jobs. the doj's understanding of the food, drug and cosmetic act is that such vaccine mandates are legal. memos like this are not legally binding but we can expect them to be folded into court challenges to come. bret? >> bret: peter doocy live on the north lawn. peter, thank you. we will talk about this with the panel and talk live with fox news contributor dr. marc siegel about all of this. big changes in just a bit. one of the capitol hill police officers responding to the january 6th riot is describing it as a medieval battlefield with hand-to-hand combat. emotional, powerful testimony today. the committee investigating that incident has begun.
it's controversial probe amid intense criticism from republican leadership. congressional correspondent chad pergram has a wrap up of all today's testimony tonight from capitol hill. >> chilling testimony from police. >> they tortured me. [screams] >> officers thought they were going to die. >> they beat me. [screams] >> until officer michael fanone rioters and suffering a heart attack pleaded with his attackers. >> i yelled out that i had kids. >> officers say horrors of the riot haunt them. >> they continue to be a constant trauma for us literally every day. >> one officer thought there should be consequences for who is responsible. >> if a hit man is hired and he kills somebody, the hit man goes to jail. not only does the hit man go to jail but the person who hired them does. >> democrats accused republicans of twisting the truth. >> some people are trying to deny what happened. >> the government has charged at
least 543 people from the riot. charges range from obstructing congress to assaulting police. the government is holding anywhere from 10 to 50 suspects at least 23 pleaded guilty. tempers flared at the hearing. officer michael fanon with nothing but contempt for some of the lawmakers he says he tried to guard. >> watch your back. >> i feel like i went to hell and back to protect them and the people in this room. but too many are now telling me that hell doesn't exist. or that hell actually wasn't that bad. the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful! >> one of the two republicans tapped for the committee by house speaker nancy pelosi adam kinzinger tried to console the officers. >> [sobbing] you guys heldible. democracies are not defined by our bad days.
we're defined by how we come back from bad days. >> pelosi vetoed two of kevin mccarthy's picks for the committee jim jordan and jim banks. banks took aim at kinzinger. >> he has a deep hatred of donald trump. that's why he accepted this assignment. >> pelosi's other republican, liz cheney. >> if congress does not act responsibly, this will remain a cancer on our constitutional republic. >> mccarthy called the duo pelosi pelosi will only pick people onto the committee that will ask the questions she wants asked. >> g.o.p. wants to investigate pelosi saying she was ultimately in charge of security in the house that day. bret? >> bret: chad, you broke the news about the name of the police officer being mentioned on the shooting, the capitol police officer who shot ashley babbitt. is there anyn't come up in the hearing today. that officer was assigned to an area we called the speaker's
lobby just off the house floor. he is not assigned there now. the department of justice cleared the officer in april. the doj says the officer shot, quote, reasonably in order to protect the house chamber. bret? >> bret: chad pergram live on capitol hill. thanks. let's bring in ohio republican congressman jim jordan whose appointment to the committee was rejected by house speaker nancy pelosi. speaker jordan, thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> bret: did you catch. >> i got to see part of it. i was on another select committee one pelosi has allowed me to be on the coronavirus select committee. i got to watch bits and pieces but i was actually in a committee hearing asking questions and making statements. >> bret: you saw the review there by chad. obviously emotional powerful testimony. your thoughts about that. >> no. it was a terrible day. the people who did wrong need to be held accountable. bret, that's exactly what's happening. the real question is and i have said this many times is why weren't those guys who testified today and all the other capitol hill police who protect us and protect capitol hill why weren't they given more help? why wasn't more help there that day in the only person who can answer that question is the
speaker of the united states house of representatives. and i think she thought we were going to keep raising that question and that's why she sty in politico lapseuse, wednesday morning which means the speaker's office talked to the press the day before that said that the headline said democrats accept leader mccarthy's selection and then something changed. i think it's the fact that i raised that issue last tuesday. that fundamental question is the one that needs to be answered the fact that we are going to continue to raise that i think is the reason we are not on the committee. >> bret: how would you have asked that today? >> the focus today is why we didn't have more people there one of the officers i think i did see part of this where he said we weren't prepared for what was going to happen. why weren't you? why wasn't the information given to you? there have been news reports that said speaker pelosi vetoed, vetoed bringing the national guard here. and then the day of the attack there has been news ritated on p the national guard. why? my hunch is, bret, my hunch is because what happened all last summer?
last summer we saw speaker pelosi and the democrats say that we should defund the police. we saw speaker pelosi and the democrats say that rioters and looters to destroyed small business and hurt civilians they raised money to bail them out of jail. when that's the background can't say we are for defunding the police but want more police to protect us on january 6th. >> bret: here is congressman talking about there and speaker pelosi. >> the fact that kevin mccarthy continues to blame speaker pelosi is just such a sick and cynical act of diversion and descration. those protesters were there in part to assassinate nancy pelosi. what does kevin mccarthy not get about that? >> bret: your response? >> no one is blaming anyone for what happened that day except the people who did wrong. those are the people to blame. and, guess what? they are being prosecuted just like our system is supposed to work. we're just asking a fundamental
question.ion. if there are news reports that said that speaker pelosi vetoed having the national guard there, that the sergeant of arms said the speaker's office told him they were concerned about the optics, that's a real question. that's a fundamental question. why wasn't there a proper security posture on january 6th and what have we done to correct that and so it makes sure it doesn't happen in the future? i think it was a fundamental question. it's not about blame. the blame resides with the people who did wrong. they should be prosecuted and they are being. >> bret: well, there was a little bit of talk about blame today. officer gonnel talking about the former president stirring up that crowd. take a listen to this. >> all of them were tell us trump sent us. nobody else, there was nobody else that was not antifa. it was not black lives matter, it was not the fbi, it was his supporter that he sent them over to the capitol that day. and he could have had done a lot of things. one of them was to tell them to
stop. >> bret: all his officers said there is not politics involved in this. they are testifying of what they believed happened that day and their reaction to it. what's your thought about what he just said there? >> well, i believe capitol hill police. the great work they do. there is not politics there. there is certainly politics with this committee. we know this committee is out to get the former president. the former president who said that day peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. we saw the president's entire speech. that's been seen and viewed and i don't know how many times. we have had all kinds of commentators. alan dershowitz has talked about it the president didn't incite anything. the people who did wrong, they need to be held accountable. they are being held accountable as we speak. >> bret: this committee is obviously going to go down a number of different roads about who knew what when, who was talking to coordinators of the protests. did you talk to the former president that day? >> i have talked to the former president umpteen times, thousands. >> bret: on january 6th? >> i talked to the president. i never talk about what we talk about. i don't think that's
appropriate. just like i don't talk about what happens in republican congresses. i talked to the president numerous times. i continue to talk to the president. >> bret: no, no. i mean on january 6th, congressman? >> yes. i talk to the president. i have talked to the president -- i can't remember all the days i have talked to him but i have certainly talked to the president. >> bret: and on that day, can you share any of the insight of what he was thinking that day? >> bret, the people we need to come testify are the people who can testify to the fundamental questions. why didn't the united states capitol, the people's house, have an appropriate securitynd t have we done -- those are the people we need to hear from. that's the information and testimony we need to get. that's what we should focus on. but i don't think -- bennie thompson, the chairman of this committee said everything is on the table until we raise this issue about the speaker's office is the one who knows what the security posture and why it was the way it was. once we raise that question, well, everything is on the table except that question. again, that's why i think we were kicked off the committee which i think underscores how
political this thing actually is and i would argue this: the main reason democrats want to keep talking about january 6th, because what the heck else are they going to talk about, bret? are they going to talk about the 12 murders in chicago last week? are they going to talk about the price of services and good up for everything? are they going to talk about the fact ourward, we had a record number of illegal crossings in march until april and then we had a record number april until may. record number in may until june. that is aan t't any of that stuff. focus on what they always do attack the former president. >> bret: always things we are covering extensively here. finally you heard these officers, a number of them say they were dismayed by lawmakers who seem to, in their words, seem to be down playing january 6th or the magnitude of it. >> i never. >> bret: i'm not accusing you, congressman. is there a message for lawmakers who may have done that. >> the message is i have never down played january 6th. what i have done and what we have done and republicans have done. we have been consistent. we said what happened last
summer in so many of our urban areas to police officers and small business owners and wrongg could be. what happened on january 6th was as wrong as wrong could be. we have been consistent. the people who haven't are the democrats. that's why they continue to focus on this because they can't talk about the fact that they defunded the police and all the things when they said they raised money to bail out rioters and looters from jail. they can't talk about those things. they are going to focus on this attacking the former president. >> bret: congressman jordan, we appreciate your time. >> thank you, bret. >> bret: the dow was down today. the nasdaq fell 180. up next, the shocking move by star gymnast simone bilesisingue pressure put on athletes. here is what some fox affiliates around the country are covering tonight. fox 5 in atlanta where the man accused of murdering 8 people including six asian women at massage parlors pleads guilty to four of the kills.
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♪ >> bret: it's been a shaky start for the u.s. athletes at the tokyo olympics today simone biles left the team competition saying she was not in a good place mentally to compete and the u.s. finished second to russia. the women's soccer and men's basketball team have suffered shocking first round defeats and fewer americans are watching the games on television. all of this, of course, occurs as japan continues to fight a coronavirus outbreak with highest infection numbers yet today. joining to us talk about all of that is clay travis, founder of outkick.com. clay, thanks for being here. simone was a shock to a lot of people. got it on iphone or twitter message. she talked to the today show this week earlier before making this decision today. take a listen. >> physically, i feel good. i'm in shape. emotionally, that kind of varies on the time and the moment, you know coming here to the olympics and being the head star of the olympics is not an easy feat.
we will trying to take it one day at a time. it was that mental thing that led her to a decision. >> yeah, look. i think this is a challenge for a lot of different athletes to think about, right? so, i always try to think about this, bret, in the context of how would we respond if tom brady didn't come out for the second half of the super bowl because he felt overwhelmed by the experience emotionally. what would we say if lebron james or michael jordan didn't come out halftime of game 7 of the nba finals because they felt emotionally overwhelmed by the moment. part of being an olympic champion and simone biles knows this because she has done it before is not just physical excellence. there has to be a mental excellence component to it i believe one reason why we all put our kids or many of us do in athletics in the first place is to learn how to overcome moments of discomfort and challenges that arise during the course of athletics because most of us are never going to have kids or be ourselves anywhere near the
athletically talent as simone biles. i think this is a massive issue for the united states women's olympics gymnastics team that she has decided to quit in the middle of competition. we have never seen this happen. i don't think it's heroic. i don't think she should be praised for it and, in fact, i think i feel bad for her teammates and the alternates that would have been able to step up and potentially take that spot if she didn't want it, she could have not started the competition. i think quitting during the middle of the competition is the foundational effort level that we expect from all of our blimp athletes. we want them to give their all and she didn't. i think her team is at the less for it. >> bret: at the same time, have you got coronavirus concerns in tokyo, the ratings, the "wall street journal" says rating for the olympics opening ceremony, for example, fell 36% from 2016. and they cite the covid concerns and other aspects of this. what about the games over all this time?
time zone doesn't help. people don't know what exactly is live and not live. when event are going to air and hard to track down and follow at times you don't have can michael phelps. the u.s. men's basketball team u.s. women's soccer team has lost. katie ledecky has already lost. so, in addition to the covid atmosphere without the fans and the overall i would say doom and gloom that has seemed to surround everything, it's a challenging environment. i also think you have to add in that this is not a time when i think many americans feel particularly excited about the american experience. we're very divided. there are people who aren't happy about the flags or protests or ceremonies. and so it doesn't feel like a celebratory event as the olympics typically does as a result i think all of those events are conspiring to create much less for enthusiasm than would typically be the case for an olympics event.
>> >> bret: well, we wish all the teams well and hopefully it ends up better than started. clay, we appreciate your time. >> thanks, bret. i appreciate that. >> bret: wealthy democratic donor ed buck has been convicted on nine federal charges relating to a paver fatal overdoses at his home. buck paid homeless men frequently african-americans to use drugs and engage in sexual acts and then often injected them personally. each of the charges resulted in death carrying a maximum sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. former president trump is blaming the assault against retired california senator barbara boxer on the democratic efforts to defund police. the former democratic senator boxer was not hurt in the incident in oakland yesterday but she was robbed of her cell phone and pushed down. she is calling the claim that democrats want to undercut police a false flag. up next as promised we talked to dr. marc siegel on what you and your family need to know about these new cdc guidelines, wearing masks and also about
vaccines. as we go to break, former wyoming republican senator mike enzi has died. he was injured in a bicycle accident as we told you friday. he never gained consciousness. police say there is no indication anyone else was involved. enzi served four terms in the senate. weighs viewed as a consensus builder in an increasingly polarized washington. >> he was forceful. he was principled but he was also gentle, a rare and unusual combination. much needed in this body. >> he departed this life having changed his friends and his colleagues for the better because of his heart. >> >> bret: former senator mike enzi was 77. here we go. ♪♪ ♪ so i'd like to know where you got the notion ♪
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why the change so abruptly? >> the change is because of the delta variant as you already said. i think it's going to confuse people because the mask is just an added feature. it's not meant to undermine that the vaccine is way more important. the reason is because of those people who got sick who were already vaccinated. they found a lot of virus. the same amount of virus as if you were unvaccinated. but i spoke to cdc director wolenski today, bret, and she said almost everyone that was vaccinated that doesn't get sick doesn't carry the virus, isn't spreading the virus. so the vaccine is still working. it's still protecting you and those around you. it's still keeping you out of the hospital. but if you get sick with covid, you are much more likely to spread it at that point. so this is an insurance policy, but it's going to be received the wrong way, unfortunately, because it just sounds like more big government telling people what to do. >> bret: yeah. which is more, as far as the protection? if you have had cody and gotten
over it, you have been through the illness and you are over it. or the vaccine itself? which provides more antibodies? >> so that's a great question and the answer is probably the best is both. when you have had covid, you make a strong immunity that we are not talking about enough. if on top of that you get vaccinated, at least one shot, you have a super immunity. but if i had to compare vaccine to covid, i would say that the more durable substantial immunity is still two shots of the mrna vaccine, even given what's happened today. if you have a break through infection, it's concerning. otherwise, you are in a category of huge protection from the vaccine. the problem with the delta variant is that it c reinfect people who have had previous covid and it's widely transmissible. on the other hand, i do think that natural immunity from infection is extremely important and substantial, too. >> bret: i mean, we should talk about there is a lot of data
about all of these people around the country taking the vaccine largely seen as very safe but there have been some issues, especially with younger kids. some heart issues. and where are we on that? i mean, when do you think the fda is going to get to the place where they can say this is finally approved and not emergency approval? >> that's extremely important. and i talked to wolenski about that too. she is not in favor of mandates. it's hard to mandate an emergency use authorization and she said there are people out throw that are allergic to mandates. and i think the issue you are asking about teens is a matter of what i do in the doctor's office every day. i try reason with people not to hit them over the head and say this is the right way. ask them what their fears are. a lot of parents are afraid of giving the vaccine to their teens. the answer is that covid is more of a risk, especially with the new variant because it can lead to long-term problems more than
we saw before. vaccine it's a very rare problem. you go one by one. you say what's your history with vaccines? what's your history with allergies? make a decision on the spot. most of the time i advise the vaccine. not all of the time though. and knowing that somebody is listening to your fears makes people much more comfortable? >> bret: that's the best thing to talk to your doctor and you are one of them. dr. siegel, we appreciate your time. >> thank you, bret. >> bret: all right. you can find nearby vaccine locations by going to vaccine.gov. ♪ ♪ the biden administration will speed up processing of asylum claims at the u.s. mexico border while also fast tracking expulsion of some migrant families. officials unveiled that plan today. meanwhile the coronavirus resurgence is having a major effect on border agents and those people trying to get into the country. correspondent rich headson reports tonight from la joya, texas.
>> border agents say they have run out of water and bought water themselves. la jolla texas on top of the 20,000 border patrol agents say they apprehended last week alone in the broader rio grande valley. officials in nearby mcallen say they have never seen this many migrants travel through their city. with covid rates rising, they say they're urging the biden administration to maintain a policy that denies certain migrants entry into the united states because of the pandemic. an authority known as title 42. >> we just know that it if it does we can expect our numbers most like lion to crease dramatically. >> officials have considered terminating title 42 as early as this month. the white house says the authority will remain in place as long as health officials recommend it. customs and border protection says it has expelled more than 750,000 migrants under title 42 since october.
in the rio grande valley sector, about 70 border patrol agents have tested positive for covid-19. more than a quarter of the unaccompanied children deported this week have also tested positive. that's according to congressman henry cuellar, he represents this area. the department of homeland security has just announced several new initiatives designed to address this border surge including an expedited removal process for families that have no valid claim to enter the united states. texas officials say that falls short. >> it won't make a difference. we have to close the border. >> the biden administration says it will also accelerate rulings on asylum applications. >> we are making reforms to increase the efficiency and expedition of that process that have never been made before and that are long overdue. >> border patrol agents tell us they are overwhelmed in processing and paperwork just given the number of migrants who are crossing here. many of whom end up in the united states shortly thereafter with notices to appear before an
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breakthroughs. >> relations between washington and beijing have been rocky for some time and the coronavirus pandemic has definitely exacerbated that here is correspondent mark meredith. >> the american people owe you a great deal. >> president biden is praising u.s. intelligence workers while also warning them not to under estimate chinese president xi jinping. >> is he deadly earnest about becoming the most powerful military force in the world as well as the largest and most prominent economy in the world. >> today defense secretary lloyd austin clarified the pentagon's position. >> we don't seek, you know, a conflict with china. we recognize that we will compete. >> recently both chinese and u.s. officials met face to face in china. [shouting] >> the biden administration says it raised concerns with china's record on human rights. the ongoing genocide and the world health's organization lack of access to investigate the pandemic's origin.
>> it's in our interest to be very clear to beijing about where we stand and explain our concerns in detail and our philosophy is that we should not avoid hard topics. >> but china is pushing back. arguing the united states is to blame for the less than rosy relationship. china's foreign minister said in a statement china-u.s. relationship is now in a stalemate and faces serious difficulty. fundamental there is obecause some americans portrayed china as imagined enemy. but pro-democracy advocates say there is no imagining the crisis unfolding in hong kong where today a 24-year-old man was convicted of inciting succession and terrorism. first conviction tied to the new national security laws dissent. >> the trial was carried out without a jury present. human rights groups are condemning this conviction. ham necessity international say they feel like it's the beginning of the end for freedom of expression in hong kong. bret? >> bret: we will watch that
thank you. the panel with new cdc guidance on masks and the latest government position on mandatory vaccines. plus talk about the january 6th committee. first, beyond our borders tonight. a trial begins in vatican city over allegedly criminal management of the holy seas portfolio of assets including donations by countless catholics around the world. among the 10 defendants is eye tall i can't be cardinal angelo betchu. the long time diplomat is charged with embezzlement and recant information he gave prosecutors about the handling of a vatican real estate investment in london. tunisia's islamist party is moving to ease tensions in that country calling for dialogue and urging supporters not to protest after accusing tunisia president syed of launching a coupe. syed backed by the army dismissed tunisia's prime minister and froze the parliament sunday sparking a political crisis after attack indicated of democracy. we will watch that.
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mask. >> in areas with substantial and high transmission cdc recommends fully vaccinated people wear masks in public, indoor settings to help appreciate the spread of the delta variant and protect others. >> we require all federal employees get vaccinated. >> it's under consideration right now. if you are not vaccinated you are not nearly as smart as i thought you were. >> bret: the president then and the president now. the crtedz director say the guidelines have changed masks indoors in certain settings for vaccinated people as well. meantime, what about kids going back to school? take a listen. >> cdc recommends that everyone in k through 12 schools wear a mask indoors including teachers, staff, students, and visitors regardless of vaccination status. >> children should return to full-time in person learning in the fall with proper prevention veagdz in place.
>> bret: so here we go. let's bring this our panel mollie hemingway senior editor at "the federalist." charles lane opinion writer for the "the washington post." jonah goldberg editor and chief of the dispatch. jonah, it's kind of like an exhale. we have been through all of this. a lot of people got vaccinated and now here we are again because of this variant. >> yeah. i have to say i'm infuriated by all of it. i think that this is a terrible idea. it is -- it is an example of how badly handled this has been. not just by government officials and local officials. but also big swaths of the american people. media like to focus there are republican hesitant vaccine statistically that's true. in pure number terms the biggest problem with the unvaccinated vaccine hesitant major urban areas that didn't overwhelmingly vote by trump by any measure and new york city public schools 40%
of the public teachers haven't been vaccinated it scandalous people haven't taken this more seriously. i'm curious what this is going to do to kids as we back slide into mask stuff. >> bret: not only that some people looking at it say if i got the vaccine i didn't have to wear the mask. they listen to president biden, mollie and now it's a shift. >> this has been a disastrous handling and i can't imagine anything that would less incentivize people onto get vaccinated so far reluctant told have to wear a mask in any case and lockdowns must continue. weird too, a way of looking at this things have gone well. i understand there is a variant that is increasing the cases but you are looking at hospitalizations and deaths that are much better situation than we had last year. you have 89% of the elderly population vaccinated. you have had a great success story and it seems that this idea of coercion and mandates and lockdowns are clearly not about science. they are about something else.
and they are not reading the room correctly about how to accomplish their goals and they are stepping on their own success, too. >> bret: the president has said that they are considering, chuck, mandating vaccines for federal employees, the v.a. is already doing that the department of justice, office of legal counsel has said legally they are making the determination that they can do that. here is the president back in december of last year about mandatory vaccines. >> no, i don't think it should be mandatory. i wouldn't demand it be mandatory i would do everything in my power. i don't think masks have been mandatory nationwide. i would do everything in my power as president of the united states to encourage people to do the right thing and when they do it, demonstrate that it matters. >> bret: now they are considering it, chuck. >> bret: yeah, i think though that the big picture here is how hesitant the biden administration has been to go from mandating vaccinations.
you have to understand i think within the democratic party and democratic party interest groups and supporters, there is strong support for man indicating dating vaccines. a lot of people think that's a logical way to go. biden has been very cautious about doings it. i mean, to recommend it required for the veterans administration given that they're hospital organization primarily is a pretty logical application of the rule. but, i'm struck actually by how nonaggressive he is being on mandates in terms of vaccinations. as i have said before, i would like to see more thought given to incentivizing. governor jared polis of colorado is really interesting program they just started last week, give people $100 gift cards when they get vaccinated. that, too there is controversy about that. but, we do have a big problem here. we have got to overcome this hesitancy one way or another and at the same time limit whatever backlash there would be against
something that's perceived as too coercive. >> bret: other states are doing lotteries and all kinds of stuff. joan nacht the question about legality. let's say an employer to mandate that every employee is fully vaccinated legally, how does that stand up? >> i think as long as you have exemptions for religion and certain medical vulnerability, i think the law is pretty clear it would stand up in courts. it would also be challenged, it's regrettable that we have to have that to be the eventuality anyway. >> bret: mollie? >> this is still only authored under emergency reduce. the idea that you would mandate something that is something we are still learning about seems just a wrong reaction, coercion is occasionally necessary for public health situations. we are not in that situation here. and it just seems we have gone from two weeks to slow the spread to now mandatory vaccinations, it's very extreme. >> bret: and last word, chuck?
you think mandates are coming down? >> i think it's going to be crucial for the fda to finalize its approval. >> bret: right. >> get this out of emergency status before we could wrap up on that issue. >> bret: that is great point. and what's taking so long? all right, panel, stand by. when we come back, tomorrow's headlines. ♪ ♪ . follow me. ♪ (realtor) so, any questions? (wife) we'll take it! (realtor) great. (vo) it will haunt your senses. the heart-pounding audi suv family. get exceptional offers at your local audi dealer. we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power.
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last year will continue their show trial of the capitol riot in an attempt to label all 75 million trump voters as enemies of the state. >> bret: all right, jonah, quickly. >> in response to the new mask mandate, california governor gavin newsom books lavish kinner at french laundry. >> bret: all right. that's it for us. fair, balanced and up be afraid. tammy bruce is up next. hey, tammy. >> tammy: hi there, bret. appreciate it. welcome to "fox news primetime." i'm tammy bruce. ♪ ♪ >> tammy: and tonight, we broaden our indictment of the biden agenda and expose institutional corruption across seemingly every corner of our government. our justice system and, of course, the tin foil hat media smear merchants on hit on all of it, including exclusive reaction with senator john kennedy. it's all come up. make no mistake, the corruption seemingly in every agency and throughout the swamp leads to breakdowns in society itself.