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serve after the horror at the capital, all right now. this is all on fox news sunday. chris: hello again from fox news in washington. if there is a ground zero in the battle of president biden and his conservative critics it is the state of texas. that is where the surge of illegal immigration across our border is happening. it is where you will find the strongest pushback to white house calls for mask mandates and continued lockdowns. it is where you will hear the loudest challenges to the president's executive action on guns. today, our lead guest is the governor of texas greg abbott. in a moment we will have an exclusive interview but first let's bring in rich edson from mcallen, texas from the border between the growing tensions between the nations capital and the lone star state.
>> chris, this border searches at the center of texas republican bigness fight with the biden a ministration so far. customs and border protection says agents picked up nearly 19000 unaccompanied children last month, record and stressing government holding facilities. >> this is a self-inflicted wound, a manufactured crisis brought on by president biden. we will see more migrants surge than i think i've ever seen. >> texas officials say they are investigating reports of abuse of children in a migrant facility. the health and human services says they will continue to invest in a incidences. across the state in arlington, baseball's opening day looked normal and that is unique. texas rangers is the major's only team to open a full house after governor greg abbott allowed businesses to operate at full capacity. texas also home to another american shooting, authorities
are charging the accused gunman of murder and other charges after killing a man and wounding others in the cabinet company where he worked. as president biden announced a series of gun executive orders. >> i will use all the resources at my disposal to keep the market people say from gun violence. >> the president called on congress to approve the series of gun measures. here at the border a third trip to the homeland security secretary, local reports they will visit to texas border towns thursday. chris. chris: rich edson reporting from the border in mcallen, texas. rich, thank you. joining us now texas governor greg abbott. governor, let's start with the surge of illegal immigration across the border. in march more than 172,000 border stops across the state and that is the highest in 20 years, more than 20000 unaccompanied minors now in
federal custody and there is a report in "the new york times", governor, that the government now projects more than 35000 unaccompanied minors in federal custody by june. one, could it get that bad and two, what is the biggest single thing that president biden could do to stop the surge? >> first, chris, i will tell you that candidly expect the number to be far higher. i do want to go back to something he said initially. you talked about the conservative critics of the biden administration and this is a bipartisan response. this is a bipartisan response to the biden administration. democratic members of the congress and democrat members of the state legislator, as well as democrat local officials who are pushing back against the biden administration as much as conservatives and the state of texas. chris, this problem will continue to get worse because of the policies that have been adopted by the biden
administration. with the president could do is to immediately put back in place the remaining mexico protocols that were established in the prior administration. he could continue to build the wall along the border in south texas. he could rescind or send a stronger message that these people should not be coming here. remember this, this is one of the reasons why so many people are coming is because if you go back to the democrat as a dental debate every single one of the democratic candidate said if they are elected they will have open borders and beginning things for free to anybody coming across the border and they were doing exactly what they promised during the course of the campaign and this is exactly why we are seeing the flood and the biden demonstration was simply unprepared to deal with the massive inflow that we are getting so that is why they have has early responded to this and that is why we have seen the dire consequences for these kids, for the adults and especially for the state of
texas and will only get worse, chris. chris: let's talk about those dire consequences. you made news this week reporting that there are cases of sexual abuse at the freeman coliseum in san antonio, texas the houses, right now, more than 1600 children but the head of a nonprofit that provides legal services to immigrants said this, the only reason why abbott is now acting like he cares about the children in these facilities is for lytic reasons. governor, there were thousands of complaints of sexual abuse at migrant shelters during the trump years, not to say that what is going on now is right but we couldn't find one instance of you complaining and calling that out when president trump was president. >> sure, there are multiple differences between what happened in the trump administration and what is happening now. first, the trump administration remained in constant medication
with me and with my office and let us know what was going on. second, i saw reports about exactly what you are talking about and saw that those reports were filed with federal agencies. the one i talked about earlier this past week were reports that were filed with state agencies, the texas health and human services commission and the department of protective and child services which is basically child protective services and so we have a duty to respond to any complaint about child sexual abuse in texas, as well as to investigate and that is exactly what i did to make sure it was addressed. chris, also however, i must make clear that in addition to the complaints that we received also bear county is for san antonio and that coliseum is, they have already responded to at least three complaints of sexual abuse taking place there in san antonio. don't fall prey to democrats
saying abbott did not complain about this in the past but what they need to focus on is exactly what i call attention to it last month in dallas, texas where i pointed out then that there will be instances of child sexual abuse taking place and today the biden administration has done nothing to address these situations that will lead only two more allegations of child sexual abuse. chris: governor, i want to switch subjects. the president announced regulations this week on ghost guns and wants the justice department to publish model red flag legislation for states to consider. you tweeted this after the president's action, biden is threatening our second member writes, he just announced a new liberal power grab to take away our guns. the president anticipated that are given they made there and take a look. president biden: nothing i am about to recommend, in any way,
infringes on the second amendment. it's a phony argument. chris: governor, is there any gun control? any limits on guns that you would accept? >> let me mention a couple of things. one is i think that there is no acceptable way that a president, by executive order, can infringe on upon second amendment rights or alter second amendment rights. second, the president wanted to do something more than show or if the president really wanted to do something substances billy he really could do by executive order is to eliminate the backlog of complaints that have already been filed about gun crimes that have taken place. you know what nics is which is the background check organization back in 2018 and nicks received 122,000 complaints about people providing false information when they tried to buy a gun and they sent those to the atf and the atf said but this is important,
12000 on two u.s. attorneys and u.s. attorneys prosecuted 12. here is my point, by executive action the president could cut down on gun crimes if all he did was to tell his executor branch to start prosecuting the gun crimes that have already been sent to the federal government. chris: but governor, the reason he has to go to executive action is because republicans in congress will block any legislation. let's put up the numbers of what we're talking about here. they have already been ten mass killings by gun already this year and we are just in april and each of those cases at least four victims died in just this week in your state of bryan, texas a gunman killed one person and wounded at least five others. let's not talk about executive action. whether it is expanding background checks, whether it is passing red flag laws, is there anything you would accept?
>> well, first let me tell you about bryan, texas. i would tell you something that happened in bryan, texas level answer your question. the shooting in bryan, texas went to the hospital where victims and their families were the night of the shooting and we hugged and cried and we talked to them. as i was talking to family members of one of the victims they said governor, please, do not allow this shooting to strip us of our second amendment right and they explained exactly why they said the second moment is there for the purpose of self-defense and we need that self-defense more than ever because of the cartel coming into a state because of gangs operating in the neighborhoods and because of defunding the police to make communities more vulnerable and because fail policies where they release people who are dangerous criminals back out on the street. texans and americans know they
need their second moment right to defend themselves at a time when the united states government and other governments are doing less to defend our fellow americans and that is exactly why we should not have any further limitations of our second moment rights. chris: i want to get to a success story in texas. back on march 2 you lifted the mask mandate and you lifted the limit on gathering with 100% capacity at restaurants and gyms and other facilities and there were a lot of doubters, i've got to say including me, but let's put up the numbers. cases, hospitalizations and deaths in texas are all down. having said that, governor, we have seen these regional spikes and drops over the last year plus the midwest is getting hit right now and i want to put out or play a soundbite for you the president biden made this week on this subject. take a look.
president biden: the virus is spreading because we have too many people who have seen the end in sight think we are at the finish line already. let me be deadly earnest with you, we aren't at the finish line. chris: but the texas rangers, as we reported earlier, opened their season to a full house of more than 38000 fans and many of them not wearing masks. i got about one minute left here, governor. how do you explain the success in texas? this by the fact that you're going against the conventional wisdom and to, any concerns that you are moving too fast? >> we absolutely are not declaring victory at this time. we remain very vigilant and guarded and proactive with our response but there is simple math behind the reason why we still continue to have success. yesterday we had the second lowest number of possible his asians in ten months. we had the fourth lowest positivity rate in a year and
the highest number of vaccinations ever administered. chris: briefly —- >> it is because when you add all the number of vaccinations that had taken place as well as all of the acquired immunity from the texans who have been exposed and recover from covid-19 it means, very simply, there's a whole lot more difficult for covid-19 to be spreading to other people in the state of texas. i got to add this real quick chris. we did an excellent job of vaccinating our senior population that is most vulnerable to getting covid-19. chris: real quick, do you thank you have heard immunity in texas now? >> when you look at the senior population, for example, more than 70% of our seniors have received the vaccine shot in more than 50% of those who are 50 or 65 have received the vaccine shot and i don't know what heard immunity is but when you add that to the people who have acquired immunity it looks like it could be close to heard
immunity. chris: good news is good news but governor abbott, thank you. thank you for your time this weekend. please come back, sir. up next, critics of joe biden's new infra structure plan say most of it has nothing to do with real infrastructure. we asked the secretary of transportation, pete buttigieg, about the plan, next. ♪♪ s like kate. a former army medic, made of the flexibility to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said... i got this. usaa insurance is made the way kate needs it - easy. she can even pick her payment plan so it's easy on her budget and her life. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa.
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the white house is already talking about negotiation and compromise. joining us now transportation secretary pete buttigieg, mr. secretary, welcome back. >> good to be back with you. chris: i want to start with the fact checked of how the biden administration is selling this plan grade you all like to say that u.s. infrastructure is ranked 13th in the world but our colleague chuck laying of the washington post did some interesting research, three of the nations ahead of us on that list are singapore, hong kong, and the united arab emirates which are tiny states and hardly comparable. of the ten largest countries geographically, including china and russia, the u.s. actually ranks first so secretary, not to say that everything is fine but why not be straight about the actual conditions here in the u.s. to the american people? >> well, the american people already know are in for
structure needs a lot of work and that is one of the reasons why there is such strong support for the president's american jobs plan. look, the amerian society of civil engineers rates our info structure and we been getting a lot of c's and d's but you don't need an engineering report to know that the driving on american roads are not the way they should but there are bridges need work and we've got thousands upon thousands that are in poor condition or structurally deficient. if you go to a u.s. airport and compare them to airports in other countries, other developed countries you know that the u.s. is not at a high standard. we don't have a lot of work to do should persuade the american people but that u.s. infra structure needs improvement to murder people already know it and that is one of the reasons why they're such extraordinary republican and independent and democratic support for this package among the amerian people. chris: not necessarily in congress however. i want to give you another fact check. all of you in the biden and ministration have been selling this plan as a huge jobs
creator. here you are just a sunday. >> the american jobs plan is about a generational investment and it will create 19 million jobs and we are talking about economic growth that will go on for years and years. chris: but it turns out the study you are citing from moody's analytics says the economy will add 16.3 million jobs without the infra structure bill and 2.7 million more with it. it doesn't, as you said last sunday, create 19 million jobs. again, secretary, why mislead folks? >> well, you're right i should have been more precise. the 19 million jobs will be created are more than the jobs that will be created if we don't do the plan. it's very important to make this point. chris: but 2 million is not 19 million. >> yeah, exactly able create 2.7 million more jobs than if we
don't do it and that is very important because there are people on this network and others saying with a straight face that this would somehow reduce the number of jobs. in fact, at least according to that moody's analysis 2.7 million additional jobs, if we passed the package and just further proof it's good for the economy and taken as a whole it is good and will jobs compared to adding nothing. chris: but would you agree that you, the president, the economic advisor on this program last week you all exaggerated the jobs impact? >> look, there are a lot of different analyses about just how many million of jobs this will create. i saw a georgetown study that i think it said an investment of this type. chris: but wait —- secretary, you are the one who said that cited moody's analytics analytics as 19 million but it's 2.7 which is a bunch but not what you said.
>> it is part of a scenario that moody says will create 19 million jobs but the bottom line is is going to add jobs and this is a direct refutation of people who are saying otherwise so yeah, you're right, i should be precise. the difference in jobs for that particular analysis suggests is 2.7 million more and that is a great place to be so why wouldn't we want america to create 2.7 million more jobs? i want to say something else about the jobs that is important. the majority of them, according to the studies we have seen, will be for people who don't necessarily have college degrees so in this time we got blue-collar communities hurting in a lot of questions about the future of union jobs, construction jobs, manufacturing jobs, these are the kind of jobs that we need to be creating a part of why, again, the american jobs plan has such a remarkable support among republicans, independents and democrats across the country maybe not yet in their bubble can establish when here in washington but around the country this bill has already been popular.
chris: alright, but as you said it's not enormously popular in washington among republicans or even among some democrats and i can get to that in a moment but the president seems to recognize that he has said that he will meet tomorrow with the number of members of congress, both parties, both houses, in the oval office. question, is the size of the package $2.5 trillion on the way to pay for or raise the corporate tax rate from 21% to 20% to raise $2 trillion in taxes over 15 years are all of those negotiable? >> i think the president will have an open mind and be interested to hear other ideas on other dimensions of the package but doing nothing is not an option. we also can't wait to long so he has got an expectation of major
progress in congress by memorial day but of course, a plan gets better when you take input on board from our party and from the other party and from both houses and that is a process that is underway right now. chris: well, let's talk about that because you do have defections already from the democratic side. democratic senator joe manchin says he's not willing to go to 20% tax increase but wants to go to only 25% which means you would not raise nearly as much money and says he opposes the idea of reconciliation jamming this through on a straight party line vote and then there is senator chris coons who is very close from delaware and very close to joe biden and he said this this week. >> i do think that there is an opportunity here for us to come together around a smaller package and by smaller i mean hundreds of billions of dollars that is directly targeted that hard infrastructure. chris: so, he's not talking
about 2.5 trillion but he's talking hundreds of billions and don't you have to go back to the drawing board, secretary? >> well, i certainly don't think we have to go back to the drawing board given the emergent people want this to happen. we got two thirds of the market people, even robbing them, supporting the provisions in this plan when you break them down. that tells us we are on the right track. of course, there are different shapes this can take in terms of the ledges late at package and of course, there are different ideas about exactly how to target the programming or exactly how to fund it and that is a conversation underweight right now. it is what negotiation is. but there is certainly i got tons of respect for senator mansion and senator coons and others who are bringing forward ideas in the senate and we got some fellow democrats in the house saying this is not big enough and you should do more. we'll find the right path but i think with the president has laid out and so far it is still the most specific proposal that we have seen here in washington is a really well thought out
proposal and that is why america wants it done and it's very rare to find any legislation that this high of a proportion of democrats across country believe we ought to pass so it tells us we got to be on the right track. chris: secretary pete buttigieg, thank you. thank you for coming in today. good to talk with you, sir pitt of next, the number two revolve again in the senate john thune with the gop response to the presidents to trillion dollar plan. is there a deal to be made? ♪♪ eed? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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>> well, good morning, chris. there are rebel begins were interested in info structure plan, and for structure in the past has always been bipartisan but when it is confined infrastructure. the plan that you heard secretary talk about is a massive expansion of the government only about 6% of the president's proposal actually goes to what the emergent people i think everyday americans would describe as infrastructure. if they are interested in roads and bridges as and highways and perhaps broadband there is a deal to be had there but i think what we ought to be looking at right in terms of having eight let's do an info structure bill the president wants to do an infrastructure bill the sort of big, bold, utopian european-style socialism proposal that they have laid out there is something that they can try to do another time but there if they are sincere about doing something on it for structure i think there are republicans who would vote for it and i would pay for it. i think we ought to repurpose some of the money that is already been spent or appropriated, at least, but has
not been spent in all these previous covid bills. we did $350 billion to a lot of states out there and this would be a good use for those funds. chris: well, let's look at the state of infrastructure. traditionally infrastructure in your state, according to studies, south dakota has the fourth highest rate of structurally deficient bridges in the country, clean drinking water needs are $730 million and you say 6% of the spills and restructure we have senator roy blunt, another member of the republican leadership, on last sunday and he said about a third of the bill he thinks is in for structure and talked about six, $700 billion of the 2.5 trillion, is there something in that neighborhood or even higher that you would be willing to go for and why are raising taxes on corporations, why is that just off the table as a way to pay for this?
>> first off, in terms of the actual components of the bill, i think water, wastewater and i said highways and bridges and broadband could be included in that category. our state of south dakota avidly depends upon the highway bills funding in order to upkeep and maintain the lie it bridges in our state and we would welcome, as i said before, and in production bill which we do about every five years. i think the tax increases that are included here are something that would be very crushing to the economy. you are talking about increasing the rate from 21% to 20% or 33% tax increase on businesses in this country who are looking to create jobs. it doesn't make sense after we just reformed the tax code in 2017 and tried to make our tax code more competitive in the global market place to then raise taxes and make the united states the highest taxed place to do business in the world. i don't think that's a good way to grow our economy.
it's not a good way to create jobs in the democrat idea always includes increasing taxes but there aren't many times in history where thank you look at and say let's raise taxes to grow the economy and create jobs. if we want to do that, chris, we want to keep taxes low so our businesses can compete globally and there is certainly no need for a big fat tax increase on businesses either on the publicly held corporations or the who could also be hit by the individual and raises. chris: let's change subjects and let's talk about the crisis at the border. you visited recently in president biden says he is not going to just expel the unaccompanied minors who come from central america and send them back. how do you respond to that and what to think is the single biggest thing the president could do to alleviate this crisis? >> i think restore funding to
build the wall. the border patrol down there says how critical that is to border security and i think restoring the mpp, migrant protection plan which was essentially a program which was essentially keeping those who are seeking asylum in mexico until such time as their cases can be heard and adjudicated and now we are bring everyone in the united states we don't have the capacity to hear those cases and so they are being released and told to come back at a later time and most don't. there are policies and place on the previous administration, trump policies, there were effective and working. this administration made a decision early on that we want to do the opposite of what president trump did and they were warned by the border patrol in advance. if you do these things, this will happen. this is not what's happened and we got the highest number of people coming illegally across the border that we seen in 15 years so, they can fix this chris, they've got to fix it and it will take willingness on the
part of the current administration, probably to eat a little crow, and say that all these abrupt changes from existing policies were wrong. we got a major crisis down there and it's worsening by the day. chris: i want to squeeze two more questions and. first of all, on guns back in 2013 after the tragedy that sandy hook, you voted against the background checks come from eyes and in 2019 after another one of these mass shootings you said you were confident that congress would do something about red flag laws, and nothing happened. isn't the argument that you hear and we heard earlier from governor abbott and hear from a lot of republicans in the senate that they are coming after our guns and end the second amendment and isn't that an excuse for doing nothing? >> i don't think so. i do think the perception i can tell you out here in south dakota and other places around the country where the second
amendment is something that is deeply cherished and valued is that the government is coming after peoples firearms and that is the reason you can't find ammo or any fire arms and a lot of our sporting good stores here in south dakota. to your point, chris, there were things that we did do in 2018 to strengthen the back ground check system. i don't think we will begins are averse to doing smart things or reasonable things if they are addressing the issue. what republicans don't want to do is adopt policies that have nothing to do with solving the problem but put additional burdens on law-abiding citizens who are trying to exercise their second member right. this administration and frankly, to be fair and honest, people on the far left for a long time have been very hostile to the second amendment into people in this country who are gun owners and have been looking for every opportunity to get their guns. chris: finally, you are up for reelection next year but after
or in december, you said that you were not going to block the efforts to certify joe biden's win for the presidency in fact, that would go down like a quote, shot dog in the senate. president trump responded with this tweet and let's put it up. rhino republican and a mono mitch's boy should play out. delta coda doesn't like weakness and he will be primary in 2022, political career over. last night speaking to a reception of big republican donors at mar-a-lago prison trump called republican leader mcconnell a dumb ob except he did not say so be in a couple of questions. your reaction to the president's attacks on eu and other revoking leaders as recently as last night and two, are you definitely going to run for reelection next year. if so, is the president's opposition president trump's
opposition going to be of trouble for you? >> first off, i will announce something on my relation plans as i typically do later in the year. i think these campaigns are too long and cost way too much and i think the american people and i know people in south dakota get weary of it. i'm going to focus on doing the job which i think is the best way to run for reelection in any election cycle. you know, who gets in against me is not going to be a factor in that decision. chris, i have been through wars in south dakota, political wars with my own party when it ran the first time with the democrats in a couple of hotly contested senate races. being afraid of a fight or someone coming after me is not something that will influence the decision. i do think republicans are and working to defeat democrats. the one thing that should unite president trump, mitch mcconnell, myself and others
running for reelection this year is getting candidates on the field who are electable in the general election. that should unite us because the best thing we can do to save this country is to get the majority back in the united states senate in 2022. i hope in the end of the rhetoric aside right now and the things flying back and forth that that is a thing that will be focused on and i believe that will unite the president and former president at least in the rest of the republicans in the united states senate. chris: real quickly, your reaction to president trump at a meeting of the rnc big donors in florida yesterday calling mitch mcconnell a dumb blank. >> right. look, i mean, it's like i said a lot of that rhetoric is, you know, it's part of the style and tone that comes with the former president but i think he and mitch mcconnell have a common goal and that is getting the majority back in 2022 and in
the end, hopefully that will be the thing that unites us because if we want to defeat and succeed against the democrats and get that majority back that is the best way to do it. chris: senator thune, thank you for coming back today. always good to talk to you. we will watch how the talks of the jobs plan go this week. up next, we bring in our sunday group to discuss president biden's new panel to study changes to the supreme court. will the nine justices on the court get more colleagues? as we've told you, fox news sunday turns a quarter of a century at the end of this month. ahead of that we been sharing memorable moments. usually, it's pretty serious here but every once in a while there are some surprising moments. ♪♪ [laughter] >> if i call you bub [inaudible]
setting up a look at. it is time now for a sunday group. gop strategist karl rove, fox news correspondent jillian turner and georgetown university institute of politics and public service. mo, the commission the president is talking about has 180 days to study the structure of the sabine court, how many justices, how long they should serve maybe not a full lifetime appointment and given the fact that democratic senator joe manchin has already said he is not going to vote to pack the court is this really a serious effort were just a political ploy to satisfy the left wing of the democratic base? >> well, look, if this is only about satisfying the left wing of the democrat base i doubt he would put as many conservatives tourist and scholars on the commission as he did. it's a very balanced commission that his folks from both sides of the aisle. make the point, chris, it is not just looking at the size of the
court but looking at some other structural issues like whether or not there should be an 18 year term limit on the court which would allow both parties more opportunities to appoint people over time. i think it reflects joe biden's fall approach to handling some of these questions and i think it's unlikely that you will see under the current composition of congress by huge growth in the court but they will look at other things and we will see what comes of it. chris: meanwhile, carl, some democratic activists are pretty aggressively calling on justice breyer who we just saw who was 82 to retire while the democrats still have a majority in the senate so two questions for you. first of all, what he think of the biden commission? secondly, as someone who worked on this when you are on the bush 43 white house how delicate is it to usher out a retiring supreme court justice into usher in a new one? >> first of all the idea that
this is a ballast commission is laughable. there are 36 members and i've only had an invite for conservatives and the rest are democrats. one of the committee signed an inflammatory letter calling for the defeat of justice kavanaugh and the other served twice as the democratic national committee general counsel and general counsel the obama campaign in 2008 and 2012 and plagued donald trump in the debate prep last year. i did a cursory check of them members and their contribution patterns in last two election cycles 16 democrats on the commission gave 110 gifts in the last election cycle totaling $112,000 of the conservatives on the panel one gave one will begin contribution and one gave a libertarian conservation. chris: so what about my second question that you've convinced me that it's not balanced. what about the question of the delicacy of trying to get a
senior supreme court justice out? >> i think that's completely inappropriate. this is an independent branch of the government and an attempt by the executive to sort of usher or someone out. please leave now. i think it breaks the decorum and undermines the independence of the court. the court must be outside of politics to the degree that we can allow it to be outside politics and i would be plunging it into partisan politics and i think that is why justice breyer set up a two hour long address well worth watching and it's warning that this is a bad road to go down. of course the justice democrats, left-wing democrats will want that and keep pressuring and i hope the white house doesn't make an attempt to because frankly, i think it will not work with justice breyer. he was sending out a single i will make a decision when i want to leave, when i want to leave and this should not be about politics. chris: yeah, let's let jillian get into this question about politics in the supreme court. the justices maintain very
insistent that they are not obama justices or trump justices but all justices of the supreme court but back in 2012 i have exchange with the late justice and in scalia about whether he would or how we would feel about having or being replaced by someone who did not agree with his judicial views. take a look at this exchange. >> i would not like to be replaced by someone who immediately sets about undoing everything i try to do. for 25 or 26 years. sure. but i should not have to tell you that. [laughter] unless you think i am a fool. chris: that was a great interview. jillian, is there anyway to take the politics out of the supreme court? >> i don't think so, chris. first of all, for justice scalia, can you blame him? who would want their career and their legacy to be undone the moment they walk out the door?
but that is, to a point, what may justice breyer's message so powerful this week and i think ultimately what will make it his word and his message carry more weight than anything this presidential commission will put forward mainly because breyer himself served on the bench for 25 years and also because he is very highly regarded on both sides of the aisle and his message, chris, if we pick it apart for a second to democrats and republicans this week was stopped trying to gunk off this bench with your political agenda but more interestingly than that, if you read the subtext, what he was telling democrats was if you want my seat for a young whippersnapper diversity pick you better not be trying to practice court because i'm not going to allow you to do that and i'm right now the bastion that stands between you and the ability to get that done. that is the reality. chris: but in ten seconds, in ten seconds jillian, we saw what
happens with ruth bader ginsburg and this guy is 82 years old and in 2023 you could have a republican senate. >> you could but i agree with carl. you know, it's not about who appoints you. it's about your record of jurisprudence. chris: thank you, panel. see you next sunday for it up next, our power player of the week, the senate's chief law-enforcement officer on keeping the capital secure after january 6. ♪♪ i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! ( sighs wearily ) here, i'll take that! ( excited yell ) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one-gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health!
♪ chris: in the weeks since the capitol riot, security for congress is getting an overhaul. our power player of the week is on the new front lines, rebuilding safety while maintaining access in the people's house. ♪♪ >> part of my philosophy is you don't get to complain about things unless you're willing to be part of the solution. >> retired army lieutenant general karen gibson stepping up after the horror of the capitol riot. >> i deployed several times to unstable countries around the world, and i never thought that i would see a physical attack on
the center of our government by american citizens. and i was very angry. chris: in the wake of the january 6th attack, the sergeants at arms of both the house and senate were asked to resign. gunson, who spent 33 years in the military, volunteered to be part of the official security review. what did you conclude was the biggest security failure to led to the breach of the capitol? >> there was, in part, i think, a failure of imagination in terms of thinking that a demonstration rather than leading to violence between opposing groups might actually be directed at the government itself. chris: given gibson's background in intelligence, senate majority leader chuck schumering asked her to be the new sergeant at arms. you were a part-time professor at georgetown, you were planning to retire back home in montana. what happened?
>> as someone who wanted to do anything that i might be able to do to improve the situation here and insure it didn't happen again, it's very hard to say no when you're offered the opportunity to continue that work. >> the senate will come to order. chris: the sergeant at arms is the senate's chief law enforcement officer in charge of security. >> good afternoon. are we ready? chris: gibson's deputy and her chief of staff the round out the office's first all-female leadership. after january 6th the role got even more challenging. >> i'm confident welcome strike a balance -- we can strike a balance that will keep the members and the building secure while still meeting that need to be open, transparent and accessible to american constituents. chris: the it is it is task fore recommended the capitol hire 800 more officers, install mobile fencing and make it easier to summon a rapid response team from the national guard.
so far there have been no new hires, and the capitol police say they are down more than 200 officers. >> it is with heavy heart i come here this afternoon -- chris: just one day after our interview last week, a disturbed man rammed his car into two capitol hill police officers killing 18-year veteran billy evans. once again safety in the people's house is in question. can you say that the capitol is now secure, that january 6th couldn't happen again? >> i'll say the u.s. capitol police are certainly prepared to defend the capitol now if against that kind of mob in a way that they were not on january 6th. i would say that we would prevent such a breach. yes. chris: general gibson spent the years since 9/11 focused on foreign terrorism. now she says her job centers on the threat from domestic terror. and that's it for today. have a great week, and we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
♪ ♪ ♪ maria: good sunday morning, everyone. thanks for joining me. i'm maria bartiromo, welcome to "sunday morning futures." who voted for any of this? packing the supreme court, wide open borders, trillions of dollars in the new taxes and so many other radical ideas now actual policy without passing through congress. coming up, ohio congressman jim jordan on his trip to the southern border where biden's handlers barred him from taking pictures. how he's pushing back against the radical agenda. plus, the man who set the record straight on hunter biden's laptop right here with me