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thanks for being here today. that is "the story" of this thursday, april 8, 2021. great to have you with us. look forward to seeing you tomorrow. "the story" continues. we'll be back here then. "your world" with neil cavuto gets started now. have a great afternoon, everybody. >> neil: herd immunity. it's coming. what if i told you it's coming monday? the bad news is it's not coming here. it's coming to britain monday. a new modelling that shows right now that the united kingdom will reach that historic event again next monday. as to here, hard to say. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. let's get the latest from benjamin hall in london on the significance of this and what it means. benjamin? >> yeah, hi, neil. herd immunity is what every country has been striving for. it's happened a lot faster than
predicted. according to the university college of london who has done this modelling, 50% of the population has been vaccinated. around 42% have been exposed to the virus and have anti-bodies and 10% have pre-existing immunity. according to their modelling, that suggesting taking consideration over those that no longer have the anti-bodies, herd immunity is thought to be 75%. other scientists say current immunity levels are only 35%. the main disagreement over how many people have already had covid. >> neil: all right. we've had some problems there. the significance of this can't be lost on people that have been waiting for herd immunity here. a success percentage or percentage enough of the population, it seems to have developed a resistance to this,
an immunity to this that everyone benefits. the significance of this right now with carl fritz from the university of london, senior professor behind this model. thanks very much for taking the time. could you explain the significance of this and the magic of monday? what will happen? >> i think the magic of monday is probably overstated. i think the modelling that we're talking about can be read as a milestone. a milestone that is a testament to the efficiency of the roll-out of vaccinations. certainly in the u.k. from what i hear also now in the united states. so really it's a marker or a reflection of how well we've done and the state of affairs. clearly a crisp threshold
crossing on monday. it does reflect some of the issues that have just been mentioned in terms of how many people have now acquired immunity, you know, and the utility of being able to vaccinate very large numbers, to put us in a much safer position. >> is there such a thing as a percentage of the population that gets vaccinated that allows you, you know, you can assign it to a day or event, i know that, but to safely say that we're at this point? >> yes. you can say that. it needs to be carefully qualified. and the kind of herd immunity threshold that we're talking about here is only relevant for the current transmission at risk. the probability that if you're infected and i'm in close
contact with you, what is the probability that you will transmit the virus to me. that depends on fluctuating time sensitive factors, the transmitability of the virus that itself could reflect viral mutations. a lot of people would be worried about the brazilian variant at the moment. another time sensitive determent of that transmission risk, which is the seasons and where am i in social contact with you, am i doing social distancing. so there's lots of factors and also sociobehavioral that determine the transmission risk itself that determines the herd immunity threshold. that's why i refer to this as a milestone, which is a useful measure of how we're doings a population or a community. it should not be read as a job
done. the job is ongoing and requires lots of interactions of many different factors, a lot of which depend upon our communal and levels of infection. >> neil: feel free to correct me if i'm wrong on this. but we're told that in britain, the emphasis was getting one does out of a given vaccine. johnson & johnson is different because it's one dose anyway. but the priority is to getting a many doses out to people without putting the priority on the two vaccine doses first. i mean, could you explain that? >> yes. that was a delicate, brave decision by the u.k. government on the basis of scientific advice. the benefits in terms of reducing morbidity and mortality
death rates were greater if one invested or spread the first dose over twice the number of people and then focusing on available endorphins to follow the original protocol with a certain separation between the two. that rested on the assumption that there was going to be at least a 50% efficacy and that efficacy could pertain to providing sterilizing unity, which means you can't catch the virus and you can't pass it on or it could mean that if you got the vaccine, then you're unlikely to develop an illness and die. happily it's almost self-evident of all the vaccines as well as 50% that move wasfully
justified. >> neil: got it. all right. thanks, karl friston, the professor behind this study here. let's get the read from dr. marty makary from johns hopkins university. best selling author. did your, what do you think? their approach is the one does, get as many out to as many britts as possible. then worry about the follow up dose. did the strategy appear to have worked? >> it worked. if you have two life preservers and there's a lot of people swinging in the ocean, why give both to one person? we know the first does is 92% efficacious at four weeks. initially it was one report, dismissed. it's been validated. many countries, many studies in the moderna trial that never got their second dose were followed and from israel. the data is clear. we have to swallow our pride and
say we need to move to this strategy, an area in places where we're supply constrained and seeing outbreaks like with young people in michigan, the new york tri-state area and in massachusetts. right now they have more infections in the united states. >> neil: the way the press is generally covered it in britain, doctor, there was some sort of -- i don't know -- magic or attachments to monday or that a percentage would be reached. scientists there seem to dismiss that. they're there now. how far are we from being essentially there? >> thanks for mentioning that. it's important for people to understand that herd immunity is not binary. it's not all or nothing. it's not like we cross a finish line and then all of a sudden it's a different world. herd immunity is gradual. it's increasing, slowing of the spread and we're seeing that in some parts of the country, now in the u.s. it's something that we're slowly
going to be able to track and be more precise about. early on, neil, the models were all over the place. they were long by 15 fold. now you can be really accurate. you're adding 1% of the population, getting vaccinated immunity almost every day in the u.k. the u.s. it's about every 48 hours. so it allows you to calculate a linear trajectory to when we get across a threshold. in that, the u.k., they announced it, that they'll have 74% with immunity natural and vaccinated. >> neil: all right. we should stress the scientist dismisses the monday connection. i defer to you, doctor. while i have you here, last week i had dr. anthony fauci on. he took exception to your taking exception to the idea that you have to hit a certain threshold of vaccinations before you get to that point.
i'm overly simplifying this. he said on this subject, dr. anthony fauci. take a look. on this show. >> let me respond to one thing that that person is saying, that he's just completely misunderstanding -- >> dr. makary. >> yes. dr. makary. he said when i talked abouthead immunity, i'm only considering people i'm vaccinating. that's correct. when you talk about herd immunity, which is an illusive concept, it's a combination of the people that have already been infected and likely protected, plus the people who get vaccinated. those are a group of people which together are individuals which are generally immune or protected. >> neil: what do you think, doctor? >> my question to dr. fauci is how many americans have natural immunity from prior infection? put that in the formula. a third to 55% of americans.
so it's nice to see that he's acknowledging natural immunity. i hope he changes the description of the formula and the path to normalcy based on that as we hear from the u.k. you know, i reached out to dr. fauci on easter. i felt bad for being critical and i wanted to let him know, this is just a different medical opinion in the spirit of an open discussion. it's nothing personal. i respect him. he suggested that we're a lot closer on this than some may think or that some of the newspapers have pitted us out to fight against. i think it's good that he's talking about natural immunity from prior infection now. in the past, he clearly did not. i know he told you he has. look at the quotes. we have to vaccinate 70 to 85% north to reach herd immunity. he told npr, "the new york times," cnbc. he's been saying it. i'm glad he's changing his tune. >> neil: he was complementary of you. i should stress as well as you are with him.
too classy guys. thanks very much. dr. marty makary on that. the attention that is getting noted here, whether it's happening this week or next monday, the notion that herd immunity, something that you hear so much about, may be has come to britain and could come here. it's all in how the progress goes, not only with vaccinations but the body's own inherent ability to fight things off on its own regardless of those vaccinations. so we are on top of that. also on top of what was behind major league baseball's decision to boycott atlanta and move atlanta out of the consideration for the all-star game. what if i told you it wasn't all major league baseball? it was just one guy. after this. here's exciting news for veteran homeowners who need cash. refiplus from newday usa. with mortgage rates low and home values high refiplus can help you lower your rate
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>> neil: all right. we're told that major league baseball made its decision collectively to boycott georgia because of the new voting law there. and in so doing, the atlanta all-star game scheduled for july. it's not quite that black and white. charlie gasparino has been digging in to this and discovered fascinating behind-the-scenes developments. he joins us now.
charlie? >> it's a fascinating story with the commissioner, bob manfred on the hot seat. let's put it all in to context. everybody does business in atlanta. the mlb is doing a major piece of business in atlanta for july. they were going to have the all-star game. it was a celebration with fans returning to the stadium but the passing of the great african american ball player, probably the greatest, hank aaron that died this year. amid that, the controversy over the georgia voting law. you have people like president biden calling it a new jim crow. stacey abrams also a voting rights activist credited with turning the peach state blue the last election, coming out against this law. lebron james, the basketball star, also a voting rights activist against the law. put that together, the mlb commissioner manfred said that
these activists would turn it into a circuit and political debate over this law, take away from what major league baseball is, a game of relief from all the pressures of day-to-day life. here's what we know. stacey abrams and lebron james. stacey abrams herself and lebron james did meet with senior mlb officials to advocate that the league denounced new voting laws and the commissioner believed the least political solution as this pressure was mounting would be to just get out of town, say something marginally, positive -- negative about the law itself because major league baseball believed that that -- the days leading up to the all-star game and the game itself would have been a huge political debate and even hr-1, the new legislation by the house designed to nationalize elections. james did not return a call for
comment. stacey abrams' p.r. person pushed back hard on this. saying we didn't want them to move out of atlanta. we wanted them to support our efforts to overturn the law. here's a statement from the -- her spokesman. in a single one-on-one conversation with an mlb advisinger, she urged them to keep it in georgia and speak out against the law. people said close to manfred said with that pressure is what is behind him moving out. he believed the last political decision was to get out of town and to try to focus back on the game. he made a few missteps if you talk to major league officials. he could have left town without endorsing stacey abrams' efforts to overturn the voting law, this is baseball getting involved in one of the most thorny political issues we've seen in a long time. that's going on in georgia with
this voting law, which has taken national implications given its coming on the heels of the passage of hr-1 in the house. baseball is in the middle of it. listen to people that are close to bob manfred. he wanted to depoliticize the situation even if he increased it. maybe led to a boycott by his fans. i hear the mlb is getting bombarded with fan complaints about this whole issue. neil, back to you. >> charlie gasparino, thanks very much. well, you heard evidence right now that things are worsening at the border. i want you to meet the sheriff that has the photos to prove it here and only here.
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>> neil: all right. the highest ranking administration official today visiting the border right now. alejandro mayorkas. we have alex there in hidalgo, texas with more. alex? >> veronica escobar sat down with mayorkas to talk about the challenges at the border. they caused it a listening session and positive. activists thank the congress woman to share their experiences of what they're seeing here every day. more than 20,000 children are currently in u.s. facilities. >> this is an unsustainable situation. there's no doubt about it. it's unsustainable for the my grants and unsustainable for the agency. we can do this so much better.
i think that's going to take and entire visioning of how we address vulnerable souls that arrive at our front door. >> new numbers show that border agents stopped around 19,000 kids in march alone. that is the largest tally ever. they also stopped 53,000 family units, the most since june of 2019. altogether, cbp stopped 172,000 people. confirming their projections about that from last week. texas governor greg abbott is calling for the closure of a migrant facility in san antonio after reports of sexual abuse and neglect. congress woman escobar said the governor had zero credibility on this issue or any other protecting human life. very divided opinions we're seeing about how to handle this
border situation and this humanitarian crisis. one thing that they did agree on is the need for more resources and support for these children and the agencies. neil? >> neil: alex hogan, thanks very much. if you talked to the shear from pima county, arizona, you have to do something. he deals with it every day. taking the liberty to take these images, creative ways in which migrants sneak in here. the good sheriff was kind enough to say that i hate to break it to you, it's getting worse, they're getting more creative and there's more of them, period. the sheriff joins me right now. thanks for taking the time. some of these images and we were looking at them here do not show a crisis that is easing. that's clear. how would you describe it? >> no, they don't. we're used to it. but obviously this has increased 100, 200% for us, this is
definitely a crisis. this is what we're trying to get our politicians and america to understand. the images that you're seeing, we're getting people running from us daily. then they do what is called a bail-out and run from a vehicle. that particular vehicle you saw pictures of, they had seven people bail out of the cab of that truck. we found eight more undocumented in the back of the truck, this is happening every day. we just finished dealing with one a couple hours ago where we lad to use stop sticks. you can see them wearing camouflage clothes, this is a carpet shoe. these not here to claim asylum. they're dressed in camouflage clothes, carpet shoes. they're trying to come in undetected. we have no idea what kind of criminal history that they have. what gangs they represent. honestly, it's a disaster. i appreciate you bringing the light to it. >> neil: no, i appreciate you providing the proof. we hear the talk. you decided -- there's a point
that you said, this is ridiculous. i'm going to show the world this. that's why i'm very happy you did to bring it to people's attention. the homeland security secretary at the border today. i don't know if you had a chance to talk to anyone in the administration about this. what would you tell them? >> i would tell them we have to get back to securing the border. that's first and foremost. with these children coming in, we do want to take care of them but we can't keep taking children and women every day. you have to stop the bleeding. you have to security the border. go back to the policies that president trump implemented. put the pride aside and get back to the policies. what they're doing is a disservice to the american people. we just had to release a letter on behalf of one of the sheriffs out of massachusetts wrote a letter. over 275 sheriffs signed on to it from 39 states. that should tell the american people how bad this issue is for
us. it's affecting the communities across this country and we want it to stop. so my message would be, let's secure the border, we'll help you fix this problem. >> neil: do you think the numbers that -- these are people and individuals that you caught, sheriff. many more, even beyond your jurisdiction are getting through. what do you think that percentage is? >> oh, the percentages -- when talking to border patrol, 10,000 people come through, they caught 5,000 of those people. so at least half. of those 5,000, 2,500 of them were not from mexico. these are staggering numbers. we cannot sustain this in our communities in these states or -- remember, there's always the element of the human trafficking and drug trafficking that comes with it. we're standing up as sheriffs. i started an organization called protect america now. check it out.
sheriffs coming together to stand against it. >> neil: thanks, sheriff. we appreciate the images and getting to flow what you're dealing with every day. sometimes we talk in generalities about what is happening. to see this and to see the crush of individuals trying to get in here of all types and backgrounds when our focus is on my grand minors, we're missing the bigger some and more worrisome picture. sheriff lamb, thanks. be safe and thanks for all you're doing. we're going to be following that and also following the controversy over vaccine passports. meet the governor that issued an executive order to say not in my state after this. it's a new day for veteran homeowners. with home values high and mortgage rates at near record lows. great news for veterans who need money for their family. that's me. refiplus from newday usa lets you refinance at near record lows plus get an average of $50,000. that's me. that's money for security today
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given the vaccinated to deal with the virus. right now texas, florida are chief among them. you might wand to add idaho to that list. that state's governor, brad little, kind enough 0 join us right now to explain why he says this isn't going to fly in his state. governor, why not? >> well, we believe in personal freedoms and choice in idaho. it's just built into our dna. we believe in patient privacy, we believe in individual freedoms. we don't think we ought to be creating different classes of citizens. we want to facilitate the free flow of commerce. so doesn't fit into what we do in idaho. it's the right thing to do. we don't mandate vaccines in idaho. that's -- everybody is well aware of that. we have 30% of our population that is eligible. we're getting there. i frankly think that a passport,
a mandatory passport just creates friction and distrust. we want people to do the right thing. >> neil: so if businesses in your state or schools in your state, governor, still would feel safer getting some sort of proof, doesn't have to be a passport that people have been vaccinated, how do you feel about that? this is beyond your reach. how would you describe it? >> well, idaho is famous for being the least regulated state in the united states. we -- every day we work on efforts to maintain that position as the least regulated state. we're going to continue to do that. the state of idaho is not involved in it. i frankly doubt that there will be much in the way of mandates -- might be some in the specialized healthcare area that look at this. it's not a mandate by the state of idaho. >> neil: understood. a lot of states that say they
will feel safer, restaurants come to mind, knowing that if someone is coming in, they've been vaccinated, are they okay. you would not weigh-in or force that issue with them. they could do what they think is necessary for their business or could you update me? >> well, we always work with businesses to facilitate commerce in every way we can. we were one of the least restrictive states all during last year. we want to continue that. as you well know, if you've been vaccinated as i have, a paper card that isn't the most secure document in the world. i think there's a high probability of fraud. it's happened in other areas. i believe that if people choose to do the right thing and businesses operate that way, it will be the best for everybody. we'll maintain our position as one of the least regulated in the states where we lead the
nation right now in economic momentum. we want to do all we can to maintain that position. >> neil: how are things going on the virus front in your state, governor? >> we've actually -- i have about four counties that have a rate of over 25, maybe 5 this morning. we have a lot of counties that are down in zero incidents, sink digit incident. we're getting ahead of it, getting a lot of vaccine out and promoting vaccination as i have. but we want to allow people to make that choice. i believe it's the best way to get to a position where we'll have everything back to normal. in fact, for the most part in idaho, every business that wants to be open today can be open. >> neil: understood. governor, thanks very much. very good seeing you again in idaho joining three other states saying this idea of a vaccine
passport won't fly in their states. others, i think half a dozen are considering that. we'll keep on top of that for you. and keeping track with the slow return to work and things as normal, whatever normal is these days, on getting the work force back. jamie dimon is saying if he had he's druthers, a warning to you workers of this brokerage firm, get back to work, all of you after this.
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>> all right. by the fall we're told, it's very likely that things will be back to close to normal and most will go back to work if they choose to. so many choose not to. they like to work a could day as week. couldn't j.p. morgan chase chief executive jamie dimon. he's among a number of investment honchos that say the better part of valor is to get everyone back in their office chairs. you miss a good chunk of them when they're at home or telecommuting. let's get more with liz peek,
fox news contributor. gary calphon, a contributor as well. and investment houses seem to value in-person relationships as an in-person culture that is unique in that industry and that can't be substantive the way it's been thus far. what do you think? >> what is interesting, yes, that in-person culture is important but it's more important to these banks in terms of training their employees. the big problem last summer, neil, is with the whole class of analysts that come in every summer have no interaction with senior people at all. they were mostly at home, some living with their parents, some, you know, in far-flung places. when they're in a meeting looking over their boss' shoulder working on a model or listening in on a phone call, that's when they learn the business. it's an apprenticeship industry.
the real problem here, not clients. interestingly so far clients are not that keen to meet with their bankers. they can do that over zoom. this whole idea of getting on a plane and flying four hours for a meeting, that is dead now. it's the training that is so important to this industry. that's why they want people back. >> neil: yeah, a lot of people tell, we're delighted if we never see you in person. virtual is fine. that's my bosses. gary, i'm wondering where this goes. there's certain industries that liz is right, where this lends itself to in-person communication, particularly in an industry like both of yours where the person-to-person contact supposedly is valued somewhat. depends for whom. where do you think this goes? whether we'll have still regardless of what these guys do will have a hybrid work environment next fall and maybe indefinitely. >> yeah, where it does, it's --
j.p. morgan will be 50% soon. citigroup is capping it. wells fargo says nobody basically until november. so where it goes, i think there's going to be a lot of different -- >> neil: when you refer to 60%, 30%, people in physical offices or where? >> correct. and look, this is about big decision making based on expenses versus personal interaction or comradery as well as productivity. each individual business, big or small, is on a case by case basis. my big worry longer term is that you save a lot of money with less office space and if you believe you're able to do the same amount or more business with a certain percentage of people from their homes, you may tend to do that. so i think there's a percentage that will never ever go back, but i think time heals
everything. as we get further and further away from this virus, i suspect the numbers will spike big time. that's in all businesses. i believe liz is right as far as business travel. i'm not so sure there's any hour flights anymore. i think the world zoom and teams and skype are be big words going forward. >> neil: yeah, i'll still do imaginary shows. people will think they're real but they're not. fiction. guys, thanks both. liz peek and gary calphon. you'd want to meet them. they're fine brains. all right. meantime here, republicans are saying, look, infrastructure is fine, mr. president. as long as it is just infrastructure. senator roger wicker among them. the reaction he's getting for saying that. keep it to that after this.
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fixing the roads and bridges and focusing only on that. senator roger wicker with him. thanks for taking the time here. that's been your argument all along. in prior interviews, you said i'm open to infrastructure but better just be infrastructure, right? >> well, we've been advocating infrastructure for four years as members of the epw committee and the commerce committee and republican conference. you know, senator gillibrand got ridicule yesterday for tweeting that paid leave is infrastructure. child care is infrastructure. actually it's president biden that really deserves a good bit of the raspberries on that. it's actually his bill. it's $2 trillion, maybe $2.3
trillion. only about 30% of it by any stretch of the imagination could be called infrastructure. so i think -- i heard what roy blunt said sunday. i like it very much. we have a problem with the president when we ask him to compromise on the rescue bill. he offered 1.9 trillion. we offered $600 billion. then he said it was up to us to make yet another counter offer. that's usually not the way compromise works. >> neil: so where is this going, senator? i know other concerns you had leaving aside the price tag, the taxes that go with it. now we're hearing a concerned on the part of joe manchin, seems to be a power broker. he's not keen on a 28% corporate
tax rate. maybe more like 25%. the president quickly adding i'm open to negotiate this. where do you think this is going? >> i just hope we can have a real negotiation. joe manchin likes 25% corporate rate. you know, i think the 21% is what got us a lot of job creation and a lot of commission growth and gdp growth until the pandemic hit. i'm not keen on moving past 21% corporate rate. but we did have good news -- >> neil: so even under your plan, senator, to look at something smaller, focused on infrastructure, whether it's the $600, $700 billion plan like senator blunt is looking at, how would you pay for that or would you? would you expect it to be growth spurred on -- >> generally, neil, we have looked for user fees for
infrastructure. that has been the way we paid for this for decades. states have looked at this. my state of mississippi, several decades back, went to 5 cent increase in gas tax per gallon. but states all around my state, tennessee, arkansas, mississippi, they have come up with a combination of this and a lot of this is ppp, public, private partnerships. we can find a way to pay for it, a lot of it has to be the trucks and the people that drive the roads. i think -- >> neil: what about a mileage tax when a lot of people have these electric vehicles, right? a gas tax would be pointless for them. >> we would have to allow for that. >> neil: the transportation
secretary kicked around a mileage tax. are you open to that? >> i'm open for a tax that users pay for. when our trucking friends are open to this, the people that make a living up and down the highways, they're used to that, too. two good things if i can say this about what senator manchin did today. he came out emphatically against abolishing the filibuster. i think that's very helpful. it will help move negotiations along because it says that democrats are not going to do something with a 51 to 50 vote. also, he said something i think most senator as agree with. reconciliation doesn't need to become the norm in legislation. on this bill, this infrastructure bill, senators, republicans and democrats can get together and work out the details of about a 500 to $650 billion infrastructure plan. we can do it because we've done
it down through the decades. >> neil: so leaving infrastructure aside right now and the economy, the way it's percolating right now, the argument that we hear out of the white house is that if things are booming, why are republicans against a modest -- they call it a modest increase in taxes on corporations and individuals that can afford it, keep the boom times going. people like jeff bezos are open to paying higher taxes if it will get the infrastructure ball rolling what do you say on that? >> i say the lower taxes on job creators, including corporate small businesses and the larger companies that create jobs in the united states of america, that lower tax rate is what has led to a booming economy and what led to great economic growth before the pandemic hit last march.
so my argument would be keep the tax rate that has caused more people to invest in jobs rather than having to send more money to uncle sam. >> neil: looking at the environment right now on the virus, we're told where close to herd immunity, senator. i don't know how things are going in mississippi. are you optimistic that the worst is behind us? >> infection rates are way down in mississippi. we heard on the news today that actually contrary to what the mainstream media expected, in those states that have opened up like texas and mississippi, arkansas, rates are way down. for some reason, in the more restrictive states like new york and michigan, rates are up. so i think the idea is to stay the course, get the vaccinations, but at the same time, we can balance a healthy
economy with being careful. it's time to get this economy open again. that's what governor reeves and governor abbott in texas are all about. they're being vindicated why the statistics. >> neil: senator wicker, thanks very much. here comes "the five." ♪ ♪ >> juan: hello, everyone, i'm juan williams, greg gutfeld, kennedy, and this is "the five." president biden taking his first major action on gun control and causing controversy for what he said about the second amendment. today, biden rolled out a series of six executive orders to stop at the white house is calling a "gun violence public health epidemic."