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this is in jeopardy because the democrats labelled open border. >> martha: so that's where we leave "the story" right now on this good friday afternoon. april 2, 2021. happy easter. see you here monday. >> the suspect exited the vehicle with a knife in hand. our officers engaged the suspect. he did not response to verbal commands. he lunged to capitol hill police officers at which time u.s. capitol police fired upon the suspect. >> neil: that suspect is dead. one capitol hill police officer is dead. the other capitol hill police officer still being hospitalized. condition unknown.
the lock down that was gripping the capitol for the better part of two hours has been lifted. flags are scheduled to fly at half staff later today at the nation's capitol on recommendation by nancy pelosi. joe biden at camp david being briefed on this. we are expecting a statement. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." a frightening series of developments in the nation's capitol that echoed back to january 6. it was not that but no less tense. let's go to chat -- chad pergram. >> a very tense day on capitol hill. harkening back not even three months ago to the events of january 6 where we had the riot here. there's been four u.s. capitol police officers that have been killed defending the united
states capitol. two have died in three months. brian sicknick just laid in honor in the rotunda in february. it's not that long ago. they're still investigating what happened here. the acting d.c. police chief, robert conte indicates there's no nexus to terrorism. and the u.s. capitol police chief said this suspect is not known to the capitol hill police. the suspect came up, a blue sedan, ran over police officers at the major entryway. keep in mind they put these fences around the u.s. capitol since 1-6. there was an outer perimeter that they just moved two weeks ago and that was very controversial. a lot of lawmakers say we do we keep it up around the interior. had they had the outer perimeter, this wouldn't have happened or wouldn't have happened so close to the capitol. the suspect according to police
ran over the officers guarding the main entryway. if you have to get in the capitol, that's how you go in the you're coming from the senate side. rammed in to a raised barrier that they raise and lower out of the ground and jumped out with what was described to me as a combination knife between a machete and a kitchen knife. as pitman said, lunged as the officers and that's where they shot the suspect. he was killed. not a lot of people or capitol hill. it's good friday, presays, pandemic. i haven't seen any members here all week. we just don't know what the motive was here. again, this is going to re-ignite this conversation about what types of security provisions that they should have at the capitol. you know, there was that push-back about whether or not they should keep up this fence. there will be conversations, neil, about whether constitution and independence avenue should be open. you couldn't get that close to
the capitol for 2 1/2, three months here while they had that extra security barricade up. so that conversation will start again as to whether or not it's proper to even have those in. this is the shoving match that they have right now between lawmakers and security officials. lawmakers are very concerned about converting the capitol in to a citadel and therefore they're cut off from their constituents. the idea that they can't see them. this is not the pentagon, not the department of interior or the state department. you don't have a right to show up. members of congress because they're on the ballot every two or six years if they're in the senate want access in a nonpandemic time. they want people to see them. that might be a big debate here because you know, they've had a conversation that nancy pelosi has initiated about having what she call as supplemental spending bill. there's 12 spending bills that fund the federal government. this will be a 13th bill for capitol security.
but there's not agreement yet on what they would do, maybe erecting other barricades outside, maybe trying to keep the public away. this is an important point i want to make. today the system did work. it's tragic that the u.s. capitol police officer died of his injuries outside. utter tragedy again for a department that is reeling. 140 officers were injured. some will never return to work after what happened here on 1-6. but what is important to note is that, you know, you have this debate about what should be the access to the capitol. there's nary been a tourist because of the pandemic and concerned about shoving people away. all the sergeants at arms, house and senate sergeant at arms and former capitol police chiefs, they always say our goal is to keep the fight outside. that's why there is double redundancy there, neil, where even though you have the fence, which is new and a temporary fence, you have two sets of barricades there.
you can stop a car, the first level or the second level before they get to the capitol. that's about 70 to 80 yards to the building if they had some sort of a biological weapon or agent or a bomb or something. you kept the fight outside. as i say, an utter tragedy for the u.s. capitol police. they kept the fight outside. that's not what happened on 1-6 where you had protesters be able to penetrate the bidding and more than 800 got inside. neil? >> neil: chad pergram, thanks for that. the nation's capitol, mark meredith. mark was at the white house earlier today. the president is at camp david this weekend. he has been briefed. i don't know if the statement is imminent. what is the latest there, mark, particularly the national guard presence that remains there? >> neil, good afternoon. chad made so many great points there off the top. i can tell you from where we are outside, the senate office buildings and the senate chamber
on the other side of it, where you are right now is seeing a heavy police presence. we're seeing members of the national guard out here. as chad talked about, there's the debate about what security should look like ever since january 6. where we are right now is where one of the road blocks is set up. the suspect tried to drive through the barricades when he hit the two capitol hill police officers. i looked over my shoulder and i can see the officers searching the trunk of the suspect. they're trying to piece together any potential motive for what led up to the chain of events. the investigation will take some time. as chad pointed out, he is the expert in all things on the hill. he was right. there's been a lot of talk about what capitol hill security will look like going forward. will people be able to go through here or more tightly controlled. security is tight where this happened. this is where the last barricade
to get through to get a car into the area outside of the capitol hill. the house and the senate, an area that we'll see staffers go to pick up their bosses, take them back from votes. it's an area where members of the press come through on a daily basis. since january 6, there's been so many changes, fencing set up, the national guard troops. speaking of the national guard troops, i left the white house to race to the hill. i saw a large contingent of the troops in formation along constitution avenue, which is the road that leads from downtown d.c. up to the capitol. they were there ready for anything that may potentially happen. since then, things have calmed down significantly. we have seen that all-clear given from the capitol hill police department. that is where the focus will be. i've been amazed just how much the capitol police was welling to share what thaw need leading up to this and happened so
quickly, this happened at 1:02 this afternoon. we had that news conference before the 3:00 hour. they were talking about not only what they have known so far but the questions that they don't have answered at this point, including motive, what the investigation would go forward from there. we know there will be an investigation because it's officer involved. there's talk about how this was handled and the thoughts and prayers at the capitol hill police department. i may have lost you. now back to you. i apologize. i can not hear you as i lost you. neil? >> neil: all right. mark meredith, thanks very much on the capitol. we have been able to confirm who the shooter was or who the knife wielding suspect was. fox news can confirm that the suspect was noah green, 25 from indiana. multiple sources have said the suspect may have ties to the state of of virginia and he
identified himself on facebook as a nation of islam follower. could have recently lost his job. we're trying to sketch a lot of details together. jeff james is a former secret service special agent. what he makes of this. jeff, we're still piecing together a lot of parts of this puzzle. it could have been worse, i guess. could have been a lot worse. your thoughts. >> could have. one of the things i want to point out, what your first correspondent mentioned, the security apparatus worked today. this man wasn't able to get past that second barrier. the tragedy that comes from it is awful and a ripple effect will go through law enforcement. again, just like we had at the white house when i was with the secret service, we would rather fight you on the outside than get in to the perimeter. today that worked. >> neil: you know, obviously the
entire capitol hill compound was shut down, a lot of people think of the capitol under the rotunda. but it's a wider swath of buildings including senate and house buildings. so it's a big deal when they have a lockdown, isn't it? >> it is. the capitol hill police have a tremendous job. people don't realize the amount of square acreage that it covers. they're reeling today, the loss of a second officer within three months is a tremendous blow to that agency. it goes to show that we're so shocked by this. they have done such a great job for so long that when there are tragedies like this, it's doubly shocking. they do a great job and largely goes unnoticed. >> neil: they've been working in concert with a lot of national guards and men and women that have been there since january 6.
now i would imagine they're going to stick around awhile. your sense of what role they will play going forward. >> they'll continue to play the same role. the outer perimeter of security. so the capitol police can remain at the middle perimeter. the inner perimeter they're charged to protect. so they're not bringing outside entities in to the capitol. you have people inside that know the evacuation routes, know everything from emergency medicine protocols and protocols that there is a chemical or biological effect. so it's my guess that the national guard will be that outer perimeter, the first line of security. >> neil: thanks, jeff. i want to go to charles of marina right now, former special agent himself. the system worked. an officer is dead but the system worked to keep any
assailant from getting inside of the compound that we call the capitol. so in that sense, it was a success. this officer may be and potentially saved some lives with his sacrifice today. so charles, the next issue is whether even wider areas should be cordoned off. this was talked about after the january 6 attack on the capitol. i'm wondering now in light of this incident whether it will re-ignite those talks? we've seen sporadic incidents like this when you get close to the capitol, a woman a few years ago, prompted a lock down similarly before the january 6 developments. where do you think this is going as far as automobile access and close access to that at the capitol? >> yeah, neil. thanks. a tragic day nor the capitol police again and the country. so my thoughts and prayers are
out with the capitol hill police. the capitol hill police went under a comprehensive review of the security processes and procedures. we saw the temporary fencing go up. we saw the additional vehicle bollards being put in place and the national guard there. i think what you see today is a consistent threat that a place like the capitol faces each and every day. we know these types of events that unfortunately happen previously before january 6. this is the first major security incident following january 6. so the capitol hill police here based on the review put forth showing that they do need some enhanced perimeter there about the capitol. the capitol hill police themselves do need norman power, more training, more technology, better communication. i think all of this needs to be taken in to consideration. and i think you saw today the important role that the vehicle bollards placed. and that the officers played.
this is concentric rings of security. you saw the important role that the officers played in responding to the threat. make no mistake about it, you need an established perimeter around the place from the capitol. there are known and unknown threats that can emerge any day as we saw today. >> neil: i was thinking outside the white house. a very different case. that used to be vehicular traffic open the north end of pennsylvania avenue. feet from the white house grounds. that is now just open to pedestrians and often closed to pedestrians if there's any concern about anything. i'm wondering whether the capitol goes the same route. >> yeah, i think what -- where they need to land is what is that acceptable security versus public balance in terms of access to the capitol. that the lawmakers want to see
there. the capitol hill police are very unique. we spoke about this before. they actually report to congress. so they're going to have to take that in to account. i think the incident today demonstrates how important a proper security procedure and perimeter is to have in place. you need to allow the experts put forth the security plan that is necessary to keep everybody safe within the capitol. now, do i think the national guard is the long-term solution here? no. i think we'll see the national guard stay in place until the capitol police can get themselves in a place that they need to be regarding manpower or equipment and resources that they need to adequately protect the capitol. there's always that balance and security, neil, between going overboard and the public access,
they use that entrance to get from the senate building to the capitol. instead of taking the tunnel. so if this were a full day in washington, this would have been a lot worse. >> neil: you know, looking at this and how worse it could have been, there's going to be a push against reassessed security around the capitol. i guess we've got to do what we need to do. that's what you were doing much outside the white house. what do you think of that?
>> yeah, it's very difficult to do that. they just took down the outside perimeter that was up after january 6. i have several roads. the barricades actually did the job that they were supposed to do. keeping the assailants from getting on capitol grounds. the police officers did what they were supposed to do. i have to say my thoughts and prayers are with the family with the officer and all the capitol hill police. what they've had to deal with the last three months losing another officer today. it breaks my heart. i speak to these officers every day. they put their lives on the line for us. they deserve so much respect and so much help. it breaks my heart that they have to go through this again.
>> neil: it's sobering. congressman, thanks very much. congressman andrew barbarino from new york state. and the president was on camp david. peter, do we know whether the president is planning a statement or anything like that? >> we do not expect to see the president on camera again at any point today from camp david, which is a helicopter ride away from here in maryland. because shortly after he arrived at the presidential retreat, the white house said there was a lid on presidential movement and statements. so we don't expect to see him. we have to reason to think that he's coming back to the white house this afternoon, the press pool that travels with the president has not been notified of any potential movements on
good friday. we know the only information we've gotten firmly and ready for air came through the press secretary and that is just that the president is aware of what happened but we have not heard anything from him about the death of this officer that died defending the capitol or the officer that remained in the care of doctors at a hospital here in washington d.c., neil. so unfortunately right now, we have learned a lot in the last couple hours, not much from the white house and president biden yet. >> neil: peter, we know the lockdown that took place on capitol hill and the buildings. do we know whether there were any changes or lockdowns, anything of that sort at the white house even with the president gone? >> no. part of the reason -- i came upstairs as things were unfolding, up the street, up pennsylvania avenue. there was something from the park service that was cutting
some of the grass. there was something using a weed whacker. i noticed that there was a normal shift change with the secret service. didn't appear that they were on a higher alert. part of the reason that would be on the white house grounds, the big fencing that came down at the capitol still remains around pretty much the entire 16-acre white house complex, plus a few additional blocks out towards lafayette park, which was the scene of deep protests this summer. so this entire area has a perimeter that makes it really difficult for anybody that does not have a hard white house credential to get close to. so i'd did it not seem like there was any kind of additional posture added here at the white house because of what was going on up the street, neil. >> neil: all right, peter. thanks very much. peter doocy. by the way, the u.s. capitol hill police have identified the
officer slain in today's developments. william evans. he's a very brave man. he might have made a bad situation -- well, could have been a lot worse. again, one officer was killed in this incident and the assailant was also shot by officers with a knife. no word of the condition of the other capitol police officer. let's go to ric grenell. he was the acting director of national intelligence. former an bass door to germany as well. a lot we don't know about what has been -- the 24-year-old man. why he was where he was and why he attacked those officers. so i guess we have to wait. your thoughts on how protected
the capitol is for this sort of thing. god forbid if it happens again. the lone unstable individual or a large crowd. >> it's important that we wait, get the facts, the folks from the counter terrorism center i'm sure are working overtime. they have incredible information. americans can be proud of the intelligence officers that work around the clock to figure out all of the pieces of intelligence and trying to put it together and whether or not we had any intelligence on this or not. i can guarantee you, we have a whole bunch now on this individual and the car and all of the surrounding information. i can't imagine what the slain officer's family is thinking today, good friday. i can't imagine getting the call when you're thinking you're going to celebrate easter and
your husband or your father is dead in the line of fire. i hope we constantly remember all of these police officers, law enforcement officials on the front line, neil. i'm sensitive to not overemphasizing just the way it happened in washington d.c. alone. we had an officer died in texas wednesday. we've had four, one in new york, one in florida, one in indiana. we have had six from the beginning of the year in california. there's been 89 total since january 1. this is an i'm -- endenim -- epidemic. this is why we have to black the blue. they're heros. they always need to remember that they need our support. >> neil: ric, much has been made of the capitol being vulnerable to this sort of thing. it is what it is.
one agent told me earlier today. but that we've got to heighten security. maybe the national guard should stay there. it's down to 2,000 now. might be more, might be less. their presence is just as important to help out at the capitol itself. what do you think about that? >> what happened today is a difficult day to have that conversation. we're emotional about this. it's hard. but we need to have those conversations. we need to figure out what the balance is. freedom is very important. so is public safety. i was listening to a previous guest say that some of the barriers -- this isn't something that would increase security. that's true. it worked to stop the vehicle.
that's a good thing. we need a thoughtful discussion about it. i don't want to overemphasize, you know, having so many officers, you know, everywhere in every public building. we have to have a balance there. we don't have enough actually to stop every single incident. we need to have a conversation going forward. >> neil: while i have you as well, i want to harken back to the security. it's even on the border right now and all of these migrant workers. really heart wrenching view of these two little girls that were dropped from a 14 foot fence. they're okay but did heighten the sense that things are out of control there. and that -- whether it's the president or the vice president
should get down there. it's to the point where thousands are entering every week. what do you think was going on right now and what the president should be doing? >> you know, it's a washington game to say the vice president should rush to the border. it's silly. most americans don't think the presence of the president or the vice president will make a huge difference. symbolically it's important. i would rather focus on the language and what we've had from this administration is a confused situation. we've had people who have failed in the press to protect the border, to be very strong in trying to have law and order at the border. they're now in charge. they have somehow mixed up mentality that having an open border or showing your sympathy
for those crossing the line equates to being pro immigrant. you can do both. the republican party has shown that they've done both. we are a country that allows a million people a year, citizenship. we're very generous. but there's a line. there's a hundred mile that want to come in. so the idea that you message jumping the line is okay, i don't think it's very pro immigrant. i actually it's anti-immigrant. it's anti-law enforcement. in california, we have this thing called sanctuary cities. it's a real nice name to the idea that we're going to ignore law enforcement and ignore laws that we don't like. that is dangerous. i'd rather see people and the media focus on the language that is clearly enticing people to break the law, jump the line and somehow get away with it because we're compassionate.
what about the people waiting in line? >> neil: very good point. ambassador, thanks very much. very good seeing you on this tragic day. we're getting more on officer william evans, the capitol hill police officer that died in today's attack. i want to read from a statement from the u.s. capitol police saying that officer evans had been a member of the u.s. capitol police for 18 years. he began his service on march 7. he was a member of the first responder's unit. keep officer evans in your family and in your thoughts and prayers and it does. and why do. we'll have more. ♪ ♪i've got the brains you've got the looks♪ ♪let's make lots of money♪ ♪you've got the brawn♪ observe be
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>> neil: all right. we know what happened at the nation's capitol today. we still don't know why. investigations into what prompted a 24-year-old man to attack two capitol hill police officers, killing one of them. the latest from chad pergram who is trying to put this together. chad? >> we don't know much about the suspect. his name is noah green. he's 25 years old. he's from end and appears to have ties to virginia. what we also learned in the past couple moments and the u.s. capitol police put out a statement is about the officer. two officers that were hit by green's car. two were injured, one is billy evans. he died from his injured according to the u.s. capitol hill police. i'd real this from the acting police chief that just came in. she says that he had been a
capitol hill policer for 18 years. he began his service in 2003 and was a member of the capitol division. nancy pelosi has lowered flags at the u.s. capitol to half staff in honor of billy evans. pelosi said that he was a martyr for democracy. not it's piecing together what this was about. the one thing that we know from robert conti the acting washington d.c. police chief, there was no terrorism. they're usually able to piece together a lot about the suspects quickly, get a license plate, information about the suspect. i've seen other incidents here on capitol hill where they had the name and figured out a car in a matter of a few minutes because they have security cameras everywhere. such a sad, tragic day again at
the u.s. capitol. i can not underscore that enough. that was something during pitman's press conference where she was overcome by emotion a little bit. the fact that she was thrust into this role to be the acting police chief after the events of 1-6 after they fired the police chief at the time, stephen sonden. to have two capitol police officers killed so close together when two had ever been killed defending the capitol in the history of the u.s. of capitol hill police is remarkable. that's why everybody is so sad here. a number of officers that are still hurting and what this will stoke is this conversation about how long the national guard should continue to be here. keep in mind that nancy pelosi just named william walker who was the head of the d.c. national guard, you know, ready to send his troops to the capitol on 1-6, william walker
will be the new house sergeant of arms succeeding paul ervin. they asked for his resignation the day after the riot on 1-6. they're trying to gather what they know or learn about noah green who is the suspect that crashed his care into this barricade and lunged at officers with a machete or steak knife. everybody rattled again by officer billy evans giving his life to defend democracy at the u.s. capitol. it was just february that brian sicknick that died. he lay in honor in the u.s. capitol, the same as the other two officers that died in a shootout here in 1998. the two killed here in 1998. neil? >> neil: chad, thanks very much for that. chad pergram on this senseless
horror on capitol hill. we got a very good jobs record today that showed a million americans were added to the nation's payroll. so things were starting off on a very good foot, particularly the cdc director saying the traffic risk for those vaccinated was very low and even with great caution that you can travel but always take precautions. the read on all of this on the vaccine front with dr. anthony fauci. doctor, very good to have you. thanks for taking the time. >> thanks for having me, neil. >> neil: first off on what the cdc director is saying. travel okay. so less risky for those that have been vaccinated. what about those that have not? what do you think? how would you recommend travel for them? >> yeah, it's very clear what we've been saying all along, and dr. walensky underscored this
today. if you're not vaccinated, you should avoid any unnecessary travel. essential travel. if so, follow very carefully the cdc guidelines about mask wearing, et cetera. those vaccinated, the risk of low of getting infected. you don't have to get tested before and after you travel except a destination requires it and you don't have to quarantine yourself. so there's an advantage now that is being articulated with regards to travel. >> neil: so what if you haven't been vaccinated? in you could recommend to family and friends of your own, if you've not be vaccinated, but you want to fly. the airlines are offering deals to get people to fly. what would you tell them? >> i would tell them it's risky.
if you're not vaccinated, it's risky. you should limit travel. obviously a lot of people have to travel for quite good reasons. if you do and you're going to do that, make sure you follow all the guidelines of safety and public health considerations. wearing a mask, avoiding commune settings. while at the airport, don't congregate around people. keep your distances. when there's surges of travel, we see surges of infection. there's no doubt about that. for that reason, we want to encourage people as soon as they get availability for vaccination, please get vaccinated. the results are extraordinarily favorable now. if you look at the efficacy and the clinical trial, but the real world effectiveness of vaccinations is most extraordinary. the more we learn, the more reports we get. we see how extraordinarily
effective these vaccines are as well as durable. i mean, the cdc came out with an mmwr. a publication looking at the real world effectiveness of vaccines. it's really quite good. a great incentive for people to get vaccinated as soon as it becomes available to them. >> neil: but it's been bumpy abroad. in europe right now a couple of countries are in all but lockdowns on easter weekend. in france, they recommend you don't go to church because it's worrisome. could that happen here? >> it's interesting, neil. we generally from the dynamics of the outbreak are about three to four weeks behind what happens in europe. what we saw here, we have the big spike right after the holiday, christmas and new year season. came precipitously down. what it has done is plateaued.
now the most recent is 60,000 new cases a day. it's been creeping up over the past several days to a week. that's a warning sign that there's a possibility that you're going to have a surge. that is exactly what they're seeing in europe. they beefed up, came down, plateaued. now several countries are having a surge. that's what we absolutely need to avoid in this country. the way to avoid it is just stick by for a while longer. it's a race between getting people vaccinated and putting off a surge of new cases. every day we get more than three million people vaccinated. just yesterday we had 3.9 million people vaccinated, which is a record. 50 million americans have been fully vaccinated.
100 million have received a vaccine. every day that goes by, we get better and better protected. every day that goes by and we do that we're getting closer to the point that we can pull back safely on some of those guidelines. everybody is itching to do that. they want to do it. we all have covid-19 fatigue. if we could hang on a bit longer until we get more of a proportion of the country vaccinated, we'll be much better off and much less likely than when we do pull back that we'll get a surge. >> neil: a critic of yours, dr. marty mccrary says getting herd immunity develops at a lower rate. you're being too cautious, too tepid in your response even when it comes to recommending masks. you said not long ago, well into
2022. what do you think that you're being very, very, very cautious to the point of making it impossible to come out of this. >> well, first of all, let me respond to one thing that that person is saying. that he's just completely misunderstanding. yeah, dr. makary. when he said i talk about herd immunity, i'm only considering people that is vaccinating. that is completely incorrect. when you talk about herd immunity, which is an illusive concept because we don't know what that percentage is. it's a combination of the people already been infected and very likely are protected. plus the people that get vaccinated. those are a group of people which together are individuals that are generally immune or protected. the greater that group is, contribution from both, those already infected and those vaccinated, you get closer to the point that you have a blanket of protection over the
community. regarding being too cautious, we want to make sure that when we make recommendations, we do it on the basis of the science. you can anticipate and kind of -- i wouldn't say guess. that is a bit of cajorative world. you can say it's likely that something is the case, which is true. it is likely that if you're vaccinated that you're not going to spread infection if you get infecteded without any symptoms. there's no doubt about that. i understand that as well as anybody else. but there's studies that are coming online now that will definitively prove that. that's why we say when that happens, we'll pull back on saying people that are vaccinated should continue to wear masks. very likely that they're not infected. but to be sure and cautious, you want to be conservative on the side of saying wait till we get
data -- >> neil: but wearing masks to 2022? >> neil, that was taken -- let's get serious about this. that was taken totally out of context. what i was saying -- >> neil: you don't think that is right? you don't think you should have masks into 2022? >> we don't know. i'm not saying that we will. if we get a major surge and we have a continuation of the increase in cases, it's conceivable that we may be having to wear masks in 2022. if we continue to get people vaccinated and we get the majority of people together with those that have been infected and the level of infection goes way down, very likely won't have to. we're playing this game here. you take a word or a sentence somebody says and you throw a got-you at them. no, i didn't say definitively we'll be wearing masks in 2022.
i said under certain circumstances that might be conceivable that we would have to. there's circumstances in which we may not have to. >> neil: the reason i mention it, senator marco rubio respects you, wonders whether you've been consistent. he said dr. fauci is a very good public health official. his job is to inform the public but his job is not to decide what we can do, where we can go or which places can open or close. his job is not to mislead or scare us into doing the right thing. >> well, you know, neil, i don't know how to answer that without sounding hostile. because i'm not. i know i have a great deal of respect for the senator. i'm not trying to scare anybody. what we're saying is we make recommendations based on scientific evidence and data. we want to give the american
people the information that they need to make choices. you make a recommendation. i don't think anyone would consider me a scare monger. i have never been that way at all. so when we talk about wearing a mask, not wearing a mask, doing this or not doing that, we like it to be based on evidence and data. that is the way i have guided anything i've seen for now the last 40 years. nothing has changed. >> neil: well, mark meadows, the former chief of staff of the president said that you have changed, doctor. he say dr. fauci is the same one that said that every recommendation that president trump followed. now he have a new dr. faux -- fauci changed his views. >> i don't want a conflict with mark meadows. we got along quite well during
the trump administration. i think it's being a little bit misleading. there's things that i said to president trump that he absolutely agreed with and went along with. everybody is also aware that there was some concerns that i had. you know, we don't want to rehash them. i don't want to be putting anyone down. in general, i'm real consistent in what i said. people can say he's been consistent about this. we just need to put together to get this outbreak behind you. that's the reason why i don't like to answer tit for tat when somebody says something behind you.
>> it might be the case that -- i do notice much of the criticism is the lion's share comes from those that work with you in the administration. peter navarro went so far to say you're the father of covid. lindsey graham, last night saying that it was important for you to get down to the super spread event that came on. what do you think about that? largely coming from republicans that have serious animus towards some of the things you recommend and maybe just you period. >> you know, neil, i've been a symbol to them of what they don't like about anything that has to do with things that are contrary to them, anything outside of their own realm. it's a little bit bizarre i would say. what lindsey graham, who i like.
you know, he's a good person. i dealt with him very, very well over the years. you know, equating me with things that have to do at the border. i have nothing to do with the border. meet -- peter navarro saying i created the virus? isn't that weird? come on. >> neil: i think what lindsey graham was saying, because of the covid spread at the border with all of these thousands that have been crammed in there that maybe someone with your expertise should be down there to monitor how worrisome the situation is. do you think it's a worrisome situation? do you think it could be a super spreader event? >> i mean obviously it's a very difficult situation at the border. we all know that. the administration is trying as best they can to alleviate that situation. i mean, you're having me at the border, that's not what i do. you know what i do. i develop vaccines. i develop counter measures.
having me at the border, i don't know why saying i should be at the border any more than someone who has experience in those types of things. so -- >> neil: are you worried about the virus spread there and something that we should monitor, whether something that maybe we lost sight of and forget about just the throngs that have gotten there but how this could lead to a spread of the virus? >> you know, obviously this is a concern to the administration. the president himself has expressed that. we don't want people to be coming over the border. when unaccompanied do, they come under the auspices of hhs. when migrants enter, they come under the auspices of ice. they're tested to the extent possible. if they're positive, they're quarantined. that's what i know. nobody is denying that it's not a difficult problem at the border. i was a little bit concerned when people equate what i do with the border. i mean, i don't know the reasons
for the animus. i'm so busy trying to do important things to preserve the health and the safety of the american people that i can't be bothered with getting distracted with these people that are doing these things. it doesn't -- really doesn't bother me. you brought it up. it's one of those things that if they want to do that, let them do it. i have more important things to do than worry about that. >> neil: let me go back to the virus, if i can, sir. i know you mentioned that we may not need this astra zeneca vaccine. it's had a host of issues, blood clotting issues that in some countries have some pause. is that your way of saying i wouldn't welcome it here. we have the three that we're working with now. we don't need astra zeneca. what did you mean by that? >> no, what i was saying is
merely a quantitative thing, need. we have contractual obligations with pfizer, contractual relationships with moderna and with j&j. we have more than enough vaccine to vaccinate everybody in this country and even have some in case we need to boost people. we in fact will be able to very likely share some of that with countries that need it. i think that the az vaccine is a good vaccine. it's going to play an important role in the global response. when the question was asked of me, do i think we'll be using az? everything is on the table. but i'm not sure we need yesterday again another product to be able to do with what we're doing. that's all i meant. it was nothing disparaging at all about az. it will have a very important role globally.
it's a good vaccine. good efficacy. >> neil: doctor, we're waiting and the world health organization is discouraged about china's response about getting to the origins of this. many say it started in a wuhan lab. i know you have doubts about that, when it was raised by the former cdc director. but where are you on this and whether the chinese should be more forth coming and if they're never forthcoming, should that be a worry? >> i in multiple times in the past have expressed concern about the transparency of the chinese. i felt that right from the very beginning. you know, when we have the cluster of cases in december of 2019, first we were told that it all was jumping from an animal to a human. there wasn't really spread from human to human. we found out there was spread from human to human. then we found out the spread was
really quite efficient from human to human. then we found out it was transmitted from people with no symptoms. so we went from an animal, to a human to something that was clearly human to human and that was spread by people without symptoms. so obviously there's skepticism when you talk about the transparency. with regard to the report, you know, i'm not quite sure how that information was gathered. that is the reason why there's a lot of talk about maybe going back and being a little bit more detailed and granular about how you got that information. >> neil: so with the vaccines going on right now and you mentioned more than three million a day. does that keep us bulletproof? what i'm asking, doctor, we take yearly flu shots. will we have to do something like that for this going forward?
>> yeah, neil, it's conceivable. the thing we don't know and again it gets back to what i was saying, that as time goes by, you get more information and you act on the information. we don't know if the durability of the protection is. we know it's six to eight months. we don't know if it's a year, 1 1/2 years or 2 years. so there's question whether or not we'll require a boost and how often. if the durability of protection is quite long and does well, we may not have to boost. we may need to do it very intermittently. if it looks like the durability of the protection is really limited to an extent to a year or so, we very well may need to boost people intermittently. >> neil: all right, dr. anthony fauci. thanks very much for taking the time you did to address these
issues. i wanted you to respond to the criticisms and you did. thanks very much. dr. anthony >> neil: in the meantime at the white house we are getting an official response from the president of the united states on these capitol hill attacks keep in mind he is at camp david for the weekend. reading a statement from the president jill and i were heart broken to learn of the attack at a security check point at the u.s. capitol hill grounds which killed evan williams of the capitol hill police and left another officer fighting for his life. we send condolences to officer evans family and everyone else grieving his loss. we know what a difficult time this has been for the capitol. everyone who works there, and those who protect it. i have been receiving ongoing briefings from my homeland security adviser and will be getting further updates as this investigation proceeds. and that investigation is proceeding. so many questions about why a
24-year-old man from indiana originally decided to drive into the nation's capital and attack two capitol hill police officers. so much we don't know. but, eventually, we will. here comes "the five." ♪ ♪ >> juan: hello, everyone, i'm juan williams along with shannon bream, katie path listen greg gutfeld and trey gowdy. welcome and this is the "the five." ♪ >> juan: fox news alert. a capitol hill police officer dead, another injured after a knife-wielding driver rammed his car into them. chad pergram has the latest. chad? >> here at the capitol is know a greene, he is dead. he came up to capitol hill around 1:00 and rammed his car