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that is "the story" of thursday, april 1. as always, "the story" continues. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 3:00. have a good evening, everybody. "your world" with neil starts rights now. >> neil: by now you'll see this video. now meet the border agent that released it. she's here and only here. all of that while the rush to get fans in the stands. we're on top of it. very glad to have you. i'm neil cavuto.
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this is "your world." we have anita vogel here looking in at a lot of developments, but we should be telling you that some of the activity that you have seen, particularly that we've seen on the economic front, having nothing to do with infrastructure, had markets soaring today. we'll get to that in a second. let's go to aishah hasnie on opening day and how they're getting prepared for it across the country. she's at yankee stadium in new york. we'll also be hairing from garrett tenney in chicago with the latest on how things are going there. first to aishah hasnie. >> hi, neil. such a great beautiful day to be out here. the sun is out. the rain has stopped. fans are so excited. good news for you. this game was sold out. doesn't mean the stadium was packed. that, of course, is because of all of the covid restrictions. the yankees have to limit capacity down to just 20%, which is just under 11,000 people. let me show you, if you can pan over to the left here.
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fans enjoying the beautiful day, taking pictures with the family. it's a great day for baseball to be back. now, there is a new normal as you mentioned. a lot of different safety precautions that fans have to go through to get inside the stadium. have to provide a negative covid test or proof of vaccination, get their temperatures checked. they have to be wearing the masks. now none of it matters to the fans that are ready for live action baseball. >> we can't stay in the house anymore. we're baseball fans, yankee fans. we need to get out of the house. >> definitely feels like the beginning of the end. feels like back to normal as soon as we get people out from the dugouts and running out on the field, it will be a good feeling. we're getting close. >> of course, it is opening day across the country. the average capacity of ball parks today is about 28%. the texas rangers, i want to note this here whose home opener
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next week are the only team opening at 100% capacity. president biden calling that a mistake earlier. neil, by the way, just a quick update on the washington nationals. they have now had to postpone their season opener tonight against the new york mets because of covid issues. so baseball is back, but covid still a reality. neil? >> neil: incredible. day one no less. thank you, a fun report. let's go to chicago. we're not talking baseball but talking flyers. more of them. a lot more than we've seen. we're nowhere back to the full demand that was there in the airline industry before the pandemic. but some moves the airlines are taking seem to indicate they're getting ready for it. gerrit tenney at o'hare airport. >> people are feeling more
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comfortable leaving the home and getting on a plane. over the last week, on average, tsa screened more than a million passengers a day. compare that to a year ago when the average was 171,000. that is still a far cry from prepandemic numbers. it's an encouraging sign for the airline industry which has been hammered. united airline's ceo has said he's seen light at the end of the tunnel. >> leisure demand has almost entirely recovered. tells you something about the pent-up desire for travel, the pent up desire to make the re-connections. there's a huge chunk of our business that is almost at zero. nice to see that recovery. >> so far the lucrative business travel has not come back. airlines are trying to capitalize on the demand by adding routes away from big city
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lockdowns such as montana, alaska and the caribbean. another good sign the industry is moving towards some sense of normalcy, delta airlines announced they will stop blocking off the middle seat on their planes starting may 1 making it the last u.s. airline to bring those seats back. today frontier airlines became the latest american airline to go public raising $570 million in an initial public offering according to their parent company. lots of good news for the industry. a full recovery is still a long ways off. analysts are saying that could take till sometime next year to get back to the numbers that we saw a couple years ago. neil? >> neil: i'm just worried about the middle seat coming back again. i get squished there. you'd be fine. i'm worried about that. >> it's been nice. >> neil: yeah. thank you. garrett tenney following that in chicago. let's go to dr. bob lahida.
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doctor, obviously we're trying to get back to normal, whatever that is these days. you know, the cdc is being extra cautious saying go slow, go slow. what do you think? >> i think they're right. the cdc is saying go slow. every day we hear something great. if you're vaccinated, the data showed that you don't transmit the virus to anybody. so people who are vaccinated essentially with stay together without wearing their masks if they're in small groups. that's what the cdc is beginning to indicate. many of us are still wearing masks and still social distancing. because you know, the numbers have flattened out. we're still seeing an increase number of cases in the emergency room and in the hospital. there's about a 10% increase all of a sudden and a 3% increase in deaths. so we're not out of the woods yet. we have to mitigate.
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my nurses and i speak to each other. we're speaking without masks in the offices but not in the clinic. >> neil: dr., the efficacy rate for a lot of vaccines is 90, 91, 92, 93% areas. that's the case for pfizer. when so much of the population is being vaccinated, let's say 100 million americans vaccinated, that would mean that nine or 10 million of them are not seeing the benefit of that. are they? danger in any way? what should we make of that? >> well, neil, a very good question. there's about -- if you're saying 90%. that means 10% of the people that are vaccinated can get the infection. however, we have not really paid much attention to what is called cellular immunity. we don't measure that. we measure the anti-bodies to the virus. we look at people that are and are not infected in the placebo
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group versus the test group. i suspect the percentages of protection are greater than 90%. something like 98% or 100% as we're seeing in young people. because cellular immunity, which is different than humorleal immunity is strong in most of us. >> neil: very encouraging, doctor. thanks very much. meantime, we're back on infrastructure and whether it was muster any republican votes. we'll talk to the majority whip clyburn about that and what he makes of that push and where it stands. the border agent that released this video that is going viral. smugglers dropping kids over a 14 foot barrier. after this.
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>> neil: all right. the president is pushing a $2 trillion infrastructure package. peter doocy is at the white house with more. >> we were in pittsburgh with the president. he spoke colorfully about the dangers of something like a bridge collapse happening. but bridge and road funding sees as infrastructure priority. >> only 5% of the spending in this package goes towards roads and bridges and i'm curious why that number is so low when it's being sold as a infrastructure package. >> we're selling it as a once in a generation investment.
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partly our infrastructure. partly industries of the future, american workers and the work force. there's areas like broad band, which may be is not a physical bridge, but a 1/3 of the country doesn't have access to broad band. that impacts workers, workers working from home, kids learning from home, parts of the country where they can't have jobs working remotely. >> now the white house is daring republicans to vote against a package that provides infrastructure. republicans are not keen on the way the package gets paid for. much higher corporate taxes. >> as somebody on his staff has convinced him he can be the next f.d.r. this is a massive expansion paid in part by huge tax increases. >> the white house is arguing that because big corporations benefit the most from the existing infrastructure, they should pay the most for the
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upgrades. it's worth pointing out this white house plan would involve a lot of projects scheduled over the next eight years. "the washington post" crunched the numbers. with a corporate tax increase it's not possible to get the 2.3 trillion that they want for 15 years, neil. >> neil: thanks, peter doocy. james clyburn with us. a key player in making sure that this gets delivered for the president. congressman, always good to see you. what do you think the odds are that this gets passed in the house? >> well, i think we're going to pass the bill in the house. we should pass it in the house. i want to mention very strongly, i wish people would take a look at the infrastructure in a broad sense. i remember when the internet first came online. we referred to it as the information highway.
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well, let's start treating the information highway the same way we treat the interstate highway. this is as much infrastructure as anything else. we've got schools that need to be built. that is infrastructure. affordable housing that needs to be built. that is infrastructure. we have got to get our kids online learning, we have to get the healthcare, telehealth, telemedicine. all of that requires broad band. if we cannot see in to the 21st century, then you have a problem with having electricity in the 20th century. >> neil: i can see, sir, keeping it focused on infrastructure in the broad sense that you do about the internet. i get that. when i hear about spending better than $400 billion on care for the elderly, the disabled, also looking at the tuition-free
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community college, also looking down the road at universal pre-k. what the heck does this have to do with any of that? >> it has to do with educating our children. taking care of the elderly. i don't understand. we're not eskimos. >> neil: is that infrastructure? that's what i'm saying. does the blur the lines -- >> no -- >> neil: -- an helping you get support if you kept it focused on infrastructure? >> this is the american jobs plan. the american jobs plan. this is all about jobs. it's not just about building buildings. i heard someone in your set-up talk about biden being the next f.d.r. i hope not. i hope not. i hope that biden will be biden. biden will do for the highway system what eisenhower did.
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that's what i want to see. not franklin roosevelt, but eisenhower. >> neil: what they referred to is how much he's spending, this package is a 9% of the gdp, double of what f.d.r.'s was. more than l.b.j. that might be valid in this day and age but a lot of taxes that go with this that will affect more than just companies. right? more than just the rich. there's social security sur taxes for the well-to-do. surcharges and global taxes and the like. how is that going to be enticing let alone to republicans balking at this but your moderate colleagues. you lose three or four of them, this is dead. >> that's true. i don't through we can lose three or four of them. the fact of the matter is i talk to ceos all the time. might be a surprise to you. i was down in augusta a couple
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weeks ends ago talking with, you know -- i played a little golf. i talked a lot with ceos. every one of them were talking to me about their 21% tax rate. they didn't want that. they are pleased going to 28. why did it go down to 29? you just had a guy sitting in the white house who was doing crazy stuff. what happened, we ruined the affordable housing market when we dropped the rate down to 21. get it back up to 28. most ceos that i talked to tell me that is about the sweet spot. so that's -- >> neil: might very well be. i talked to a lot of ceos that i hear from the chamber of commerce that is not to keen on the 28% thing. they're not keen on raising the capital gains rate, short taxes that many of them will have to spend if you implement a global tax. there's a limit to that.
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having said that though, there is a fear here that the more you raise taxes and some of those things you're doing to get this will slow the economy down. it won't help it. it will slow it. what do you say to that? >> i say you're probably right. if we got too high. find the sweet spot. if you get too slow, you ruin the economy. you get too high, you ruin the economy. find the sweet spot. that's what us golfers do. >> neil: there's a lot of sweet spots. a estate tax will be $220 million over ten years, a global minimum tax, there's maybe, maybe the social security sur tax on the well-to--do. i don't know what defines that. that will yelled $730 billion over ten years. a lot of sweet spots. a lot of taxes, right? >> well, if joe biden left some out. i asked him to take a strong look at a transaction tax.
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i would love to see a 1% transaction tax that would raise $1.6 billion. >> neil: so if you had your way, you'd like to see more taxes in this thing, right? >> i'd like to see different kinds of taxes. i'm not going to argue with him about his. i still feel very strongly that the 1/10 of 1% transaction tax would raise $1.6 billion. all of that money gets back up to wall street. all of it. building highways, doing broad band, developing these communities. it all gets wrapped back up through wall street. so i've never been able to understand why people who make so much money off the investments of people's expenditures trying to keep people from getting money to spend. when they spend the money, it gets back up to them.
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so let's not put people in the poor house -- >> neil: the investors will pay that transaction tax, right? it's about a trillion over ten years. you're right. but the investors pay that. brokerage houses don't pay that. average investors pay. >> look, i get it when i get my report on what is happening to my 401(k), i didn't ask for the transactions to take place. who is doing it? we're not -- i didn't ask for it. i just get a statement saying these transactions took place. so all i'm saying is, take 1/10 of 1% of all of those transactions and put it out there to growing the country. they're going to benefit from it. if we mess around in this economy -- >> neil: your 401(k) i imagine has done pretty well, right? you're a smart guy. if you look at the market, you're doing well. are you worried that could be hurt by this? >> i'm not worried that could be hurt. what i'm worried about is the children not getting their education that they need. i'm worried about communities
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not getting the safe water to drink that they need. i'm worried about the elderly not having telehealth. that's what i worry about. i don't worry about the transaction that i help to make for that. >> neil: all right. james clyburn, fair enough. god to see you. the house majority whip, the key player in this. think about it, he's the reason why joe biden is in the white house at all. the man that made that possible. all right. we'll see how that sorts out. meantime, the video that is obviously been seen around the world right now. shocking video at that. at the border of kids being dropped off, literally, on a border fence. the agent who was responsible for that and released the video up next. not everybody wants the same thing. that's why i go with liberty mutual — they customize my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. 'cause i do things a little differently. hey, i'll take one, please!
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>> neil: texas governor abbott is criticizing the administration and kamala harris for not coming down to the border and seeing what is happening. william la jeunesse has more. william? >> the smugglers were paid to do what they were supposed to do, getting the children in the united states. in this case, dropping this 3-year-old and 5-year-old girl. the smugglers then run away. >> they don't care. they throw a 6-month-old old baby in the water. they don't care. they will stash, starve, beat and rape and abandon these children. >> any of us that saw the video
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were incredibly alarmed by the steps that smugglers, ones that we have been familiar with, spoke about our concern about. as secretary mayorkas said, the unhuman activity is criminal and reprehensible. >> last month smugglers dumped a baby and mother off of a raft in the accessory you grand to be rescued and revived by this texas ranger. >> the baby is in her arm and the water is going over the baby. so i got above her, kind of fell in, grabbed the baby and held the baby like a football and helped the woman on to a tree branch. >> also you see children in foil blankets and many include the reward outweighs the risk. today governor abbott blamed biden for creating a disaster as police discovereded houses and trucks filled with migrants. >> the department of homeland
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security made more than 21 arrests per day of criminal arrests and they made more than 571 referrals of illegal immigrants per day. >> so last night congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez called for reparations. >> neil: william la jeunesse, thanks very much. i want to introduce you to the border patrol agent that released the video. she's kind enough to join us and do so right now. thanks very much. that is really tough to watch. were those two girls all right? >> the two girls, their sisters, one is 5 years old, the other is 3 years old. they're fine. i visited with them the day
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after, the morning after. i was really horrified and appalled and worried when i first saw the images come through from my staff when i saw that first child dropped to the ground. then not see her move for a few seconds. i honestly thought that this child probably hit her head and is unconscious. i see the second child. the agents within a few minutes responded to the area to rescue them. i tell you, the next day when i visited with this little girl, they're so loving and so talkative. some of them were asking the names of the agents around them. they even said that they were hungry. so i helped them peel a banana and open a juice box. just talk to them. children are just so resilient. i'm so grateful that they're not severely injured or even broken limbs or anything like that. >> neil: could you explain, chief, how it works? the fellow dropping them, these are the infamous smugglers that you hear about.
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how do they operate? what happens? >> so they are. these smugglers, they're a commodity. so human life, human beings are a commodity. we know their tactics. i've been doing this 25 years. we know exactly the tactics of these people. for them, it's just a profit. so for us, we have not seen that type of tactic in the outskirts of the el paso region like in the new mexico area. that terrain is desolate. that terrain is very rocky and mountainous. so when we see an image like that, that raises my alert and my worry that they may continue to try these tactics further out in the dessert area like in new mexico or hancock, texas, where it's not urban. it's very remote and rural. the logistics and challenges that exist for the border patrol are quite high. i worry when i see images like this and the tactics that smugglers are using hurting these children, this is a very
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vulnerable population. everybody is in agreement that these children, we need to protect them, keep them safe. we need to keep them healthy and fed and clean. that's our number 1 priority. when we see images like this, i tell you, i'm appalled. i committed myself to work with law enforcement in mexico. i want this guy. i want us to identify him and prosecute him. and we're working very closely with the government of mexico to do just that. >> neil: chief, these smugglers, who pays them? obviously for these girls to be dropped over a fence, someone has paid them to get them over that fence. who? >> of course. we all know that the terrain on the mexico side is run by cartels. and no one gets through those areas or those regions without coordinating with a certain type of cartel or criminal
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organization managing that area. so a lot of these human smugglers pay a fine, pay a fee to move people through certain areas or regions of the border. so in this case, they paid someone. it's a very coordinated effort. these children -- >> neil: is there any families connected to the kids, chief? it isn't always as simple as the parents doing it or others. large throngs of kids are a draw apparently to these guys to get them over the fence. so who is paying them? >> so this is -- this starts at the beginning at the point of origin. the children start getting exploited or, you know, right at the door of the villages or towns where they're being recruited. smugglers convincing the families to allow them to take the children with them. these girls were from ecuador. they don't get to mexico just by walking or taking a ride. this is a coordinated effort all the way up to the border, right
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up to smugglers operating in that area and then paying. either the families pay a fee or relatives pay a fee. in this case, we're now in connection -- you saw there's a third item that is thrown over that barrier. that was a bag. in that bag there was a phone, there was a phone number and passports. we were able through the intelligence and the agents working this case already, they were able to make contact with a mother that resides in new york. so that connection has been made. we continue with the investigation because like i told you, neil, we want to get these guys. so that they don't do this to another unaccompanied minor on the border. >> neil: gloria, your compassion shows through, 20 plus years of doing this. just bugs you. this really affects you. it shows. you care. you want to see a solution. you're remarkable.
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i don't know how you do it day in and day out and your colleagues. what you're trying to get to the bottom of is something that a lot of people don't appreciate and see. i want to thank you, chief. i think i speak for an entire nation when you say that. thanks very much. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. >> neil: more after this. important news for veteran homeowners. introducing refiplus from newday usa. refiplus lets you refinance at today's all-time low interest rates plus get cash. with home values climbing, now is the smartest time ever to turn your home's increased value into an average of $50,000 cash. refiplus. it's new, it's only for veterans, and it's only from newday usa.
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>> this further secures absentee ballots by mail. it also is adding days of early voting on the weekends. we're actually expanding the right to vote in georgia. you're not hearing that from the other side. that's what the truth is. people look at who is trying to restrict things is the democrats in washington, not republicans that continue to make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.
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>> neil: all right. georgia governor kemp explaining that law has gotten a lot of controversy and overstating by the president of the united states. that earned four pinocchios in "the washington post." the jim crow analogies and the other thing the president said were wrong and misleading and lying. lydia is here following the developments as corporations begin to get skittish about this georgia voting law. lydia? >> hi, neil. we're seeing more corporations joining the long list of companies today condemning the new georgia law. most recent is apple. this passed on party lines last week. today major league baseball is exploring options to move their all-star baseball game, possibly away from atlanta this summer. all of this got started when a group of black business executives, ken frazier and former american express ken chenault called on leaders to speak out about the voting laws
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saying the lays will hurt voters of color. now, as you just mentioned, some of the claims, let's review a couple of them making a lot of buzz and set the report straight here. democrats say the law will end voting hours early, but that's not true. the fact is that voting on election day will run from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m., which is the same as current polling hours. as for early voting, the new law requires that polls stay open from 9:00 to 5:00 at a minimum. local officials are free to keep them open longer if they want to. the time frame is established a previous vague requirement that said early voting had to happen during normal business hours. there's a claim that water is prohibited. but actually, polling workers are free to set up self-service water stations for voters. yesterday a number of companies issued statements expressing support for voting rights generally and condemning the new georgia law. coca-cola's ceo james quincy
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said it's wrong. delta's ceo ed bastion called it unacceptable. meanwhile, georgia governor brian kemp is fighting back. he's defending the law saying it expands access to early voting and makes the process more secure. all of the public debate as republicans have row posed more than 250 bills in 43 states that address voting and as washington democrats propose a bill that would make voter registration automatic nationwide and would expand early and mail-in voting. all of the measures would benefit the democrats, neil. >> neil: great reporting. i want to go to alveda king. martin luther king is her dad. you know, there's a lot of
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support to rally against this law, the voting law but you're not joining them. why not? >> neil, i'm not going to join an effort that would say you don't need any regulations, you don't need any control and that is just not reasonable. it's not protecting our right to vote, it's not protecting the voters. now voter suppression has occurred through the ages on both sides of the aisle. we know this has happened. but this is not an effort for voter suppression, this is trying to regulate it and get a hand on what happened on the last election. we had so many dead people voting, people voting twice, people mailing in and showing up voting. we have to pull it in a little bit. >> neil: you know, alveda, your cousin, bernice king, was among those saying that in disrespected their father's tireless work, that included the
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son of reverend john miles lewis. so they see something they're that doesn't add up. they're not saying it's jim crowish, they seem to be saying it's close. what do you say? >> i'm 12 older than bernice. i marched for voters rights. i'm 70 years old. i've been voting a long time. without appropriate regulations, you do not have several voting processes. i under bernice's point. voters have been suppressed. that did happen. we've had voting irregularities that have to be addressed. i notice bernice is not addressing that. we don't hate each other, but don't always agree. we have to have fairness and
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good regulations. you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. you can't do that. >> neil: i want to add that bernice doesn't want to go so far as boycotting the state, although i seem to think she's open to boycotting various businesses. i don't know if there's a big difference especially when it comes to big events. how you feel about that, targeting businesses that might be endorsing this, allowing this, not doing anything about this as if they have to and the state itself? >> we have to watch it like the cancel culture. you don't agree with me, so i'm not going to work with you. i know that her father did support boycotting but he also supported my dad as well sitting down at the table and working through these issues together. my granddaddy, martin luther king sr. said if we don't talk,
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we hate. so we're not really at the same place with the voter issue at this time. however, the cancel culture, if i don't like you, i don't agree with you, out you go. i do caution everybody not to get into that position. we need to learn to live together, work together as brothers and sisters. that why we will not perish as fools, neil. >> neil: do you ever wonder, alveda, that if push for this legislation was based on something that a lot of us have been proven to be incorrect? it's not a lie. that there was widespread voter fraud in georgia to the point that it turned the election and robbed donald trump of a win? do you believe that? >> president trump did a good job. i'm his friend and agreed with many of the things he's done. he's moving ahead, continuing to serve the country. he still loves america and so do it. i don't think that we're
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retaliating against what may or may not have happened with the last election. it's time for an overhaul of the election period. whoever the president happens to be. so we can cry voter fraud when we're not winning and both sides do that, of course, as well. and then when we are winning, if we committed fraud, we don't admit it. a lot of times i see voter fraud in georgia myself. i was elected twice as a state legislator. when i was ready to run again, i wouldn't vote the way they wanted to so they gerrymandered my district. so i ran for congress. so there's all kinds of issues with voting across the aisle. >> neil: all right. did it influence the election in 2020 you think, the fraud that they talk about? >> i actually believe it did. there's so many people that would say to me, i'm voting for president trump. don't tell anybody. shhh. i believe more people voted for
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president trump than we actually saw here in georgia. i'm very convinced that is true. my god daughter ran for office. one of the larger polls where her vote was, they had some kind of water problem that didn't really exist and they shut the polls down. something happened to the vote. all of that did happen. so as i say, hear me. these kinds of shenanigans go on in every election. i agree that we need to get a handle on it and start having people have our votes protected. the vote -- >> neil: you think these changes are a step in that direction? the changes the governor signed off on are going to make any of the controversies less so? >> it's an effort. i don't know if it's going to solve the problem. i don't think so. however, something needs to be done. it may be a little bit too little too late. that's possible. you have to look at it that way as well. and with the democrats being so
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successful is their effort, they're going to be quiet. if it flipped the other way, they would be screaming, hollering and yelling. prior to the election of 2016, they had a fit. they didn't believe it. that will never happen again. they got very busy to make sure it didn't, didn't they? >> neil: thanks very much, alveda. good luck at the next family reunion. see how that goes. alveda king, the face of martin luther king. meantime, you heard james clyburn, the democratic power player talk about the fact that everything that is in this infrastructure package has to do with infrastructure. furthermore, he would like to see added taxes in that that could raise more money. i wonder what andy biggs, the arizona republican, a member of the house freedom caucus, what
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>> it says the american jobs plan, the american jobs plan. this is all about jobs. it's not just about building
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buildings. >> neil: all right. that was from may conversation with house majority whip james clyburn a little earlier talking about whether all of this is infrastructure related. i mean, just a passing view of this has a lot of stuff thats to not sound by infrastructure. he insists everything sort of comes back to that. and it does have to do with infrastructure and jobs and all of that wrapped together. my next guest not quite smitten with that idea. andy biggs is the republican chairman of the house freedom caucus and letter right now to let the president know now, wait a minute, what you have got here isn't that. it's not infrastructure. actually, your argument, congressman, is that a very small part of it is for infrastructure. is that right? >> yeah, neil, i think when most americans think of transportation infrastructure, you are not thinking of greener school lunches, you are not thinking of basically racial equity and justice and
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destruction of free ways, $20 billion to take down freeways considered racist. you are thinking of building streets, improving streets. you are thinking of repairing bridges. the things that move people and freight around this country. that's kind of what you think of when you think of transportation. >> neil: there a lot of taxes in this mitch mcconnell says comes to the senate he can't imagine any republicans. broadly in the house. is it your sense, congressman, that as this package stands now that it could not garner any republican support? i would be surprised if you saw anybody support this. neil, it's too much and spending and not enough deal with the issues of transportation, infrastructure that we actually have. so, yeah, i would be surprised. >> neil: i understand republicans not lying a lot of e corporate taxes up to 28%.
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the global rate here that could effectively add another 20% to that i mean, we could go on and on about that. would you be open to any other type of funding to support infrastructure albeit not maybe at these levels, 2 and a quarter trillion, but what would you be open to? >> well, i think what this is doing, neil, is it is actually presenting to us an opportunity to look at the way that congress actually budgets and appropriates. the whole system is broken. we are funding stuff that the federal government has no business funding. so, you know, maybe certain federal transportation projects are what we should be funding. well, if we are going to be doing that find a way to pay for it. maybe the best way to do that is eliminate some of the bad federal spending we are doing rather than increasing taxes which actually will suppress the economy, has a chance to actually cause us to lose jobs considering the -- >> neil: where would you take the bad spending from? democrats have charged
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republicans would wanting to sort of take away from the affordable care act for something like this. what would you do? i would say this is time to get in line by line budget look and say why are we even doing this program? is that better for the states? kneel knee you have argued that for decades, you are right. your heart is in the right place. both parties and multiple presidents have said that. they never get anywhere with that would you be open to excise these gas tax, the mileage, anything like that that would add least fund part of this? >> not until we have had the deep dive. i mean, look, when people got to congress 5 years ago they were told we will balance the budget in five years. and 0 years. last i heard they're talking 15 or 20 years. it's never going to get balanced if you say well, we are going to support transportation funding to the level of x, y, z and we are going to cause these taxes to go up. we're not looking at user fees.
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we are not looking at excise fees. how about looking at the totality of what we are spending and saying maybe we shouldn't be in this area, maybe this is not where the federal government should be. and this notion that you can throw 2 trillion on it and have people like aoc say let's throw another trillion on top of that, that's where you start getting some dangerous business and don't forget, neil, the reason that so many businesses were come back, the reason the economy was so solid in some aspects was three things, number one, we were energy independent before the covid, we were also -- we had reduced our business taxes and we had reduced regulation to come back to the country. now i wonder if you raise these taxes are you going to push jobs out of the country? so when they say it's the jobs act it's only going to be government jobs and that's the infrastructure they are trying to set up. >> neil: all right, chairman, congressman, thank you very, very much. we will see where this goes. it's still early on in the process as you said. congressman biggs thank you
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