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october 1927. there were no academy awards back then. but in 1929 the a academy gave the film's producer warner brothers, a honorary award for outstanding. al jolson was the star of the jazz singer. got that. go to neil cavuto. neil, just don't say i was there for al jolson. don't go there, neil. neil: i was. neil: that means if i was, well just saying. stuart, thank you very, very much you're not old. i am. you're not old. dealing with the older thing far better than i, my friend. stuart, thank you. corner of wall and broad right now. maybe some relief we're seeing in the latest info we're getting out of afghanistan. there has been really no connection with the markets what is going on there, maybe more news that people are getting out
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of there. we had a third attempt to rescue people outside of the perimeter led by military helicopters last night, as a sign, you know this is progressing. the alarm is whether we get it all done by the 31st. that is anyone's guess. jennifer griffin at the pentagon with more on all of that. jennifer? reporter: neil, there are still thousands of americans who are trapped outside of kabul and it is not clear how the u.s. will be able to get them out. we learned at 9 pentagon briefing just moments ago last night the u.s. military launched another helicopter rescue mission in kabul to get roughly 20 americans to the airport. they could not get through the taliban checkpoints. this is the third time this rescue mission has been launched despite the pentagon insisting the taliban are granting safe passage to americans. >> last night during the period of darkness there was an operation to be able to go out and safely evacuate, evacuees
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back into kabul. it was outside of the airfield. outside of the airfield in a way, we were able to bring them back to kabul safely. reporter: reporters were told to leave the kabul airport around international crews were flown out of kabul airport today. some americans and siv holders are still stuck outside the gates at the airport. yesterday two members of congress, congressman seth mole ton, a democrat, congressman peter meyer a republican, both combat veterans flew unannounced into the kabul airport into the middle of kabul evacuation stunning resource soldiers on the ground. >> how tough was it having them there? >> it was certainly, there was, certainly a pull-off of the kinds of mission west were trying to do to accommodate that visit. they certainly took time away from when we had been planning
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to do that day. reporter: these young soldiers and marines are serving as air traffic controllers around the clock at the airport in kabul. evacuation flights are launching every 45 minutes, a race against the august 31st deadline with only a few days remaining. yesterday 19,000 people were evacuated. over 80,000 since august 14th, including 4400 americans. president biden announced he would not move the august 31st deadline hours after the taliban said they would not allow the u.s. to extend it. roughly 5500 troops remain at the airport in kabul. there are dozens of armored vehicles and aircraft, including apache gunships. pentagon spokesman john kirby u.s. troop presence will go to zero on august 31st. we learned some of those troops began evacuating within the last day. neil? neil: so how will we know so-called contingency plans in case they're not making progress
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or the taliban has gotten in the way that we can go on the 31st? i mean at the rate they're going you would think that things are picking up apace here but what's the deal there? >> neil it, was very clear from the briefing that u.s. forces will not stay at the kabul airport after august 31st and after august 31st it is not clear how that airport will remain open because the taliban who are now in control do not know how to fly airplanes. they do not know how to do air traffic control measures. tush uk troops who had been there part of the nato forces there are mixed signals whether they're willing to stay after the august 31st deadline but i think it is safe to assume there will be a serious disruption after august 31st. the question without any bases in the region how is the u.s. going to launch rescue operations for americans who are out in the countryside or even stuck in kabul? neil: yeah. it's a good question to pick up
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with my next guest. jennifer, thank you very much. being so incredibly on top of this story. general jerry boykin with us former undersecretary of defense, former delta force commander. very great having you. i was doing the math roughly in my head, general, always dangerous but doing the math anyway, 19,000 evacuated over last 24 hours, if you were to maintain that pace you would think anyone we wanted to get out has gotten out assuming we have a rough figure of 150 to 240,000 they suspect of american americans and afghan nationals we want to get out are accounted for but there is no way of knowing for sure, right? >> no, there is no way of knowing. i think the state department has been very clear they don't know how many americans are there. let me say this, kudos to the administration for going out on the three rescue operations and
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bringing people in, but that is in kabul area. there are people out in the interior of afghanistan that are going to be left out there. i think the administration has made it very clear, some 31 august we're out of there. we're gone and americans will be left behind. so what is the follow-on? what do we do after this? the administration has really not talked about that, other than to say, that the department of defense is developing contingency plans. it is going to be more difficult since we don't have a base to operate from as you said, and then we'll have to rely on the border countries, the countries that border afghanistan and the russians have already told us that they do not want us in places like uzbekistan, tajikistan, turkmenistan, pakistan. so we've got a real problem here, neil and this administration is going to have to decide whether they're just going to accept leaving americans behind, thousands of
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them, or whether they're going to actually come up with a plan to try to get them out or extend the deadline. i think the answer is extend the deadline. neil: if it appears the administration don't do that, and we'll say instead that anyone in the area that we wanted to get out we have gotten out, and they will say it's a pace they ever going here, again rough math, 88,000 to date. it could conceivably be up to 200,000 or more a week from now, that they will say, that's pretty impressive, end of story. we've done all we can do, you say what? >> i say yeah, it is impressive you're right, good. you got your act together. you're moving people out there have quickly. are you going to leave people behind? you already said so. you already said you get the people out by the 31st. anybody left in there is just that, they are going to be left. i think what this administration is doing is talking out of both
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sides of their mouth here. you can't have it both ways. you can't say that americans are not being impeded in moving to the airfield so that they can get out and then have to run three rescue operations. well if americans are not being impeded why aren't they at the airport now? they have had adequate time to get to the airport, no matter where they are in that country, they have had adequate time to get there and they're not there. so why are they not there? could it be their movement is being impeded by the taliban? the answer to that is yes. neil: these three outside the airport rescue missions, i guess latest one involved fewer than 20 individuals. i don't know the breakdown between americans and afghan nationals. how do you think that the taliban was responding to that? we're told all of these were done at night. they clearly saw and what was going on but we can best assume
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they did nothing. so what are we to take from that? >> well, clearly somebody in the taliban saw what was going on but i think, i think they did not want to interfere with something like that and potentially provoke an event by the commander on the ground, not by the president, not by the commander-in-chief, but the commander on the ground had to react to that. if they tried to shoot down one of those helicopters, or fired on ground troops with the helicopters i think the commander on the ground there would have taken immediate action and that would have gotten ugly. then i think that would have been a new ball game. even for this administration they would have to rethink what they're doing. neil: but in the meantime we've drawn down 400, to 500 troops already, general. so let's say we're down to 5500, 5600, that is going down a few hundred each day. our ability to do stuff like
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this, rescues, say nothing of processing people on planes is exponentially limited, right? >> yeah it is. neil, i will tell you this, having made many of these deployments you always have people there that are just along for the ride, i hate to say that but there are nonessentials there and you know, a commander always brings a fairly substantial staff. he gets on the ground, he sees what his responsibilities are, what the task is, what the task calls for and realizes he has more people there than he needs. i don't see the problem that some people do with him reducing his footprint there. but, what's key is that he is letting the northern essentials go, not the people he needs to be able to go out to get these americans out in the interior of afghanistan. neil: interesting. general, always learn something.
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thank you very much, my friend. and for your service to this country as well. general jerry boykin on all the latest developments. want to go to gerry seib, "wall street journal" executive washington editor. he was held captive in iran people forget that sometime back. so if you're a captive, you're hearing this sort of news, jerry, worse, you're outside, way outside of kabul and the general is right, the odds of anyone coming for you are pretty low, that's not welcome news. >> no, but i think probably what you do if you're in that situation is have some faith that somebody will find a way, somebody in the u.s. government will find a way either before or after august 31st to make it happen. i don't know what that way is. if it is worked out we probably shouldn't know what that way is but i, i think this august 31st deadline is on one level very much for real, which is to say i think
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president biden thinks we got to get our troops out or they become the targets if they're not gone on august 31st but that doesn't mean there aren't more covert ways either keep people around or keep people back in once there is a clear plan to get folks out. it would be discouraging to say the least but i wouldn't lose all hope if i were in that situation. neil: all right, if you are stuck behind though, whether it is kabul, far from kabul, you obviously, from your experience what were you hearing, what were your captors saying, what were they relying on? that might be an interesting way to look at what these folks are dealing with now. >> interesting question. i was in a cell in prison so i heard nothing. my captors told me nothing. that is not the situation for folks in afghanistan right now. they probably have very good, what the military would call situational awareness.
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they probably know what is going on which is extraordinarily helpful. because it allows you to do some planning for your own situation. i did where i was because i could make assumptions what was going on the outside, about what my situation was beyond the four walls literally where i was. these people i think are going to know a lot more and there are also, there is something else crucial here, which the u.s. has lines of communication with u.s. citizens who are in afghanistan but not yet at the airport in could kabul, that allows things to be worked out. there is interesting backstory behind the rescue mission by helicopter last night. i don't know what it is. but there are sure signs ways to communicate and organize people even amid the chaos outside of the airport. that will probably stay the case for a little while to come. i don't know what the contours of that will look like, we probably shouldn't but that doesn't mean they're not there. neil: you know, it is an interesting development, we're
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just getting wind of it the last couple days, obviously the taliban is concerned about anymore afghan nationals but maybe for quite not the reasons we thought. it is dollars they have. they don't want them to take the dollars out of the country. they could force the issue not allowing them to before they leave the country to take any money with them t does explain the financial wall they're up against, doesn't it? >> it does. it raises an important question here, what are the motivations of the taliban at this point? on one hand you have to worry if u.s. troops are gone, at least on the surface they have gone, there are ask either americans or afghans with visa rights to leave the country, people we want to rescue left behind, they become essentially hostages of the taliban. on the other hand there is ample reason to think that the taliban has maybe recalibrated its own interests here and decided it really doesn't want to be in a long-term acrimonious relationship with the u.s. because as you suggest, that has got real economic financial costs to the taliban.
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make they have become more enlightened over the last 20 years and that they are willing, perhaps, to cooperate even after august 31st in getting americans out because they just don't want that confrontation. they got other problems starting with the likelihood there is going to be a economic collapse in afghanistan under their rule and they know they need some international support and international credibility to stave that off, make it less severe than it might be otherwise. so it may be that the taliban has decided it doesn't want to have this confrontation over americans departing with the biden administration, the u.s., the west, even after august 31st. let's hope so, there is some sign of that in the way they behaved so far. neil: got it. jerry seib, great catching up with you, my friend. as you can see here racing ahead at corner of wall and broad. a lot has to do with growing optimism out of big companies, they are not sighing -- seeing
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go to golo.com and see how golo can change your life. that's g-o-l-o.com. ♪. neil: all right, you still have to wonder about that deal that was supposedly made to ease the friction between some moderate democrats and some of the more progressive members that nancy pelosi was trying to, you know keep calm on both sides. part of that agreement called for 3 1/2 trillion dollar budget blueprint with the understanding that they could go ahead vote on the infrastructure only package, the bipartisan effort, maybe later next month. that is the hope at least. whether that flies, whether one of those moderate democrats is happy we'll find out in just a second when texas democrat henry cuellar joins us. chad pergram, it is still an iffy process. how does it look to you, chad.
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reporter: moderates in the house scored a concession this week. the house will vote on or before september 27th on the infrastructure bill and democrats voted to on the framework for the social spending bill. >> what we did we began the process. we set the top line. we're hopefully moving forward to make sure whatever we come up is frankly passible by the senate. reporter: the house had to approve the measure so the senate could avoid a filibuster otherwise the bill was dead in the senate. it is a delicate balance. >> the budget bill that retains of privilege of 51 votes in the senate, that is why yesterday was fraught with so much meaning. the steam that was in our caucus was to get this done. for the president, for the american people, for america's working families. reporter: the gop balked at advancing the $3.5 trillion budget framework. gop leaders said it was a mistake to recall the house this
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week with afghanistan on fire. >> wasting precious time this week, burning phones up, pressuring democrats to vote for a five trillion dollar spending bill and tax bill. that is what he was wasting time on. every minute of his day should be getting all-americans out. reporter: some house republicans will support the bipartisan infrastructure bill in the end. the house will spend the next few weeks crafting details of the bill. democrats aim to wrap this up by october 1st. pelosi says today she hopes it is all paid for. neil? neil: she hopes. chad, thank you very, very much. to one of the moderate democrats urging this action so they could go ahead and vote on the infrastructure package as chad was saying by next month, henry cuellar joins us, texas democrat. congressman, good to see you again. >> great to see you, neil. neil: how does this look to you? >> look, which wanted to make
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sure we took a separate vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill for the obvious reasons that it is bipartisan, passed by 69 senators and we will get some republicans to support this on the house side. on the other one, on the reconciliation, on the other one, keep in mind the key thing we asked for, i wanted to ask for this because of what i saw in 2010 when members were asked to vote for something the senate will not approve, i wanted to make sure whatever we vote on the house side, we got a commitment from the leadership is to say that it has to be something that 51, or the senate democrats which includes senator joe manchin, senator sinema also, manchin and cinema. so it has to be something that we have a say so, they have a say sew, the whole caucus has a say so. so we have to be on the same page to vote on that. that point was very key t will
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allows to bring all the voices, not just the progressives but the moderate voices like mine and other folks. neil: yeah. i guess the speaker doesn't have much wiggle room to your point, congressman. she can only afford to lose three democrats in that event, assuming not a single republican votes, talking about the 3 1/2 trillion dollar more massive package. would you be one of those no votes as things stand now? >> if, i will be no if it is not a version where the 50 democrats, progressives and more importantly the moderate voices in the senate and the house will -- you saw my position just a couple days ago and i, i intend to stick with that if it is not something that has been approved by the senate and by the democrats on our side. and again, you know, it is, the
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resolution we saw was a budget up to 3.5. i can tell you right now it is not going to be 3.5. i can tell you that right now it's not. it was only up to start the process. then we just got to negotiate and see what's in there. i'm interested in what are the pay-fors, number one. i'm also interested in you know what are the different provisions going to be there. i'm not going to be an automatic yes. i prep sent a district and i have a responsibility to my congressional district and i will take my job very seriously just like my other colleagues. you know, there were nine of us, but actually there were more than nine. there were other people that supported us that we, also they were with us but they didn't sign the letter but there were nine plus more. it is like chad said, it is a very delicate process but again it means we have to compromise and people need to understand we
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got to compromise among ourselves and with the senate also. neil: yeah. i think you're exactly right, congressman. even though your over all numbers are small compared to the progressives, you do hold more cards than a lot of people give credit, thanks to what you were doing. good to see you again. >> thanks so much, you have a wonderful day. neil: you too, congressman. just to update you the plan calls for voting on infrastructure-only package. the end of next month, they hope to have a framework a blueprint, you always hear that on some of these other matters that moderates like the congressman was just talking to are really not key fans on. but we'll keep very close eye on that, how it is going. keeping a close eye on the vaccine mandates that are coming out fast and furiously right now. seems like half a dozen companies, school districts, cities, a day, are imposing under these requirements that you be vaccinated or you're
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♪. neil: i think it is increasingly number of companies saying all right, now we have fda approval. you have no excuse, get the vaccine or there will be hell to pay. not quite, susan li keeping track of all companies now demanding their workers are getting vaccinated. sooner the better. susan. susan: hitting you in your wallet, delta will charge unvaccinated workers $200 a month. they have until november the first to get the shot. if they don't, 200-dollars more for health insurance. workers will be subject to
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weekly testing starting november 12th. you have to wear masks everywhere you go. delta says it is to cover the average cost of $40,000 for covid mandated. they have not been mandated at american and southwest. we note other airlines like hawaii are requiring vaccinations. oregon, regardless of vaccination status, they're ordering everybody out of the state to wear masks outdoor. it is the first state to enforce outdoor mask mandates and indoor mask mandates. this is more than the cdc requirements that requires masks outdoors. oregon had highest case count of 2800 covid on monday. in new york, new governor kathy hochul adding more 1200 deaths to the total of 5500.
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more deaths that the governor andrew cuomo excluded from the state's count. she is reinstating a mask mandate in new york schools. there has not been vaccine requirements but hasn't exactly outline what they are just yet. neil: so it begins and continues. great to see you, susan li following all of that. danielle shea trading director of options. danielle, companies have it within the legal right to enforce the issue. i'm sure many will challenge that, when you're in delta charging more for their health insurance premiums for not getting the vaccine but the trend is that, the trend is this get vaccinated, right? >> yes, absolutely. the trend is this, especially it, will start with the west coast states. obviously west coast an east coast. it will be really difficult to do anything like that in texas, in florida but the fact of the matter is the more companies that do this, especially leading
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tech companies that are employing you know, thousands and thousands of people, this is absolutely the direction we're going. everyone is going to be forced to be vaccinated one way or another. neil: yeah, when you see it, she was just reporting right now, you have disney and royal caribbean now requiring covid-19 vaccinations for all of their cruises. cvs health, chevron, host of the or thes. on and on they go. i always like to see wall street's reaction to this because they don't see it through an ethical or individual right prism. they see it through you know, a money prism which is their right and they seem to be pouncing on the notion this is going to lead to more vaccinations. this is going to lead to greater opening up in the economy after these post-pandemic bumps and spikes in cases. they see this as a net positive very meant. development. do you? >> that is absolutely correct
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that the stock market has taken vaccine mandates postively. we see the market continue to climb especially on the news of pfizer getting the fda approval. what the stock market doesn't like is uncertainty. while it isn't, it is an issue, right but what the stock market wants, the stock market wants companies to be profitable. they want people out there spending money, buying houses, traveling. so the vaccine mandates are going to help that happen unfortunately. neil: yeah. i was noticing, we've been rifling through sectors hit by this. those attached to the reopening like the leisure, hospitality stocks, hotel operators, they're doing just fine. the ones scoring big gains stuck at home, they're not doing nearly as fine. how do you play it? do you play those reopening pandemic plays and continuing investing in them?
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how are you going to look at this? >> so actually i think the reopening plays are a little bit overdone at this point. what i've actually been looking at are two different sectors that pulled back pretty significantly this summer, previously they were really strong. you have both the housing sector and the industrials, housing in particular has been really strong but when you got those really high commodity prices that peaked around may, we started to see that housing sector pullback. well now it is at a really good spot to come in to pick up shares, make some trades. d.r. horton. you have toll brothers, lennar. just the housing sector overall and industrials as well. caterpillar, john deere, these companies pulled back from the highs that are now giving me an opportunity on pullbacks. neil: are you still bullish on the overall market? >> yes, neil, i'm bullish on the
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overall market. i think the macro situation is really strong right now. we have sort of a reopening situation going on but more importantly, we have the fed that is continuing to back the market. and, we have investors that are buying every single dip. there is really not a lot of fear out there. and the stock market has really trained investors to use these short news opportunities to come in to buy the dips which kept the stock market really strong. so i'm definitely bullish. i do remain long this market but absolutely, i'm looking for, you know, sectors, pullbacks like industrials and housing. neil: got it. danielle, great catching up with you. by the way kudos to you, we were this way going through a pretty seriousdown draft there. obviously you stuck to your mettle. danielle shea. director of options. we have a lot more coming up, including the movement to get folks out afghanistan as quickly
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♪. neil: all right. six days to get all of our people out including the troops who are getting our people out right now. they're already down about four, 500, just since the beginning of this week and that is accelerating of course as we get to next monday when everyone is out. my next guest wonders is that us calling the shots or the taliban calling the shots? republican congressman mike gallagher kind enough to join us right now. congressman you might not know was deployed twice to iraq. to say he has a vested interest in this is probably an
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understatement. congressman, very good to see you. thank you for your service. do you think the taliban dictated this? >> i do. i think we're completely at the mercy of the taliban for our withdrawal. i think this was a surrender to the taliban and when you have the secretary of defense and secretary of state telling our own citizens we can't guarranty their safe passage, well, effectively you're saying we are dependent upon the taliban for safe passage of american citizens. what is interesting to me is that there was bipartisan pushback in this briefing we had yesterday on the arbitrary august 31st withdrawal. the administration clearly knows it is not just republicans, also democrats that understand if we stick to that timeline we're going to be abandoning our own people, we'll be leaving americans behind and condemning thousands of our afghan allies to death effectively. yet they're sticking to the august 31st timeline. which suggests to me there is
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more to this deal with the taliban than we know aabout right now. the president needs to reconsider, abandon the timeline, tell the taliban simply we'll do whatever is necessary to get our people out of afghanistan safely and if they get in our way they will suffer devastating consequences. neil: do you think there was any truth to these other reports, the president mentioned that he was concerned for our own troops safety. nothing to do with the taliban but isis-k and islamic affiliate not obviously close to the taliban and that we could been and could still be caught in the middle of that? >> well certainly there is always the risk when you deploy thousands of american soldiers, airmen, marines into harm's way but even greater risk to the thousands of americans that are effectively trapped behind enemy lines. there is a the risk of the taliban taking hostages that we
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have to weigh against those risks. i don't think that is an adequate explanation, the fact that the administration set this, september 11th, 2021 withdrawal date is a terrible public relations move in reality a propaganda victory for the taliban. that is what is driving. this they made that promise. they made that statement. august 30 first is a couple weeks before september 11th. they want to stick to it. now the taliban are effectively holding us all hostage, holding our policy hostage, afghans, stay away from the airport, you stay in country. americans if you go beyond the august 31st date there will be consequences. they are extorting us, threatening us, for that to be the case 20 years after 9/11, it's a disgrace. it's a shame on our country. it is a shame on the biden administration. the president thus far shown no humility, no willingness to learn the fiasco that is this
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withdrawal. neil: i wonder, congressman, while i have you, what do you make of your two congressional colleagues, democrat seth moulton, republican peter meyer, both veterans who went to kabul to assess the situation. they have been criticized for disrupting things. >> i respect them both on personal level. i disagree with this decision. i thought it was a dangerous pr stunt, actually counterproductive to the effort of getting people out of afghanistan. no selfie is worth that level of disruption. neil: we had three now outside kabul airport moves, helicopter rescues on the part of our troops into the airport and out of the country.
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this surprised a lot of folks. 20 individuals secreted out there. the taliban did nothing, we're told. does that surprise you? >> i welcome we're get going out sighted wire to get our people. i wouldn't use this as a cause of complacency. when asked at the briefing the secretary of state, secretary of defense refused to answer a simple question how many americans we think are behind enemy lines? i think there is a lot of work that needs to be done. we need to abandon the august 31st surrender date. come september 11th we'll see a taliban flag flying over the u.s. embassy, which will be a picture of shame for a lot of years to come. neil: congressman, very good seeing you again. mike gallagher, wisconsin congressman, deployed twice to iraq among many other issues in his favor to know this, talk with some authority on it. we'll be monitoring again the troop deployments today as well as what's happening at the ground we're told roughly every
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♪. reporter: welcome back to "coast to coast." i'm grady trimble in chicago with good news for property owners who rent out those properties. not such good news for the renters. that is because a new zillow report found that 33 cities out of the 50 largest metro areas in the country, in those cities it is still cheaper to own than it is to rent. in memphis, miami, atlanta, theres with the biggest difference between the typical rent and typical mortgage payment. anywhere between 400 and $550 per month. the zillow report comes even as new home prices hit an all-time high in july. meanwhile new data shows mortgage applications increased 1.6% past week as mortgage rates fell slightly. people looking to seize that opportunity. first-time home buyers, we've been talking about them quite a bit lately because a lot of them have been priced out of this hot
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real estate market. data from the mortgage bankers association shows good news for them. maybe an opportunity to enter the market they have been sitting on the sidelines of. there was some easing average loan sizes the bankers association says which is potentially a sign that more first-time buyers looking for lower priced homes are being helped by the recent uptick in for sale inventory. neil, there has been an uptick lately of new homes as well as used homes. even though those prices are still extremely high, more inventory is expected to lower prices. as you saw some first-time homebuyers entering the market they have been sitting on the sidelines of. neil? neil: thank you very much for that, grady trimble. meantime the eviction moratorium, you hear a good deal, keep push being it back, pushing it back, not getting people evicted out of their homes anytime soon, my next guest says, the landlord that is getting the bad rap here is not
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the huge conglomerate you think. sometimes it is just a mom-and-pop concern that has a few rentals and they're locked into something they're getting no money. ken blackwell, the former ohio secretary of state, former cincinnati mayor. kind enough to join us now. great to see you again. we equate landlords with the giant behemoths that can well afford this. most cannot though, can they? >> you're absolutely right, neil. look, the same bureaucracy that has created the afghanistan mess is creating a real mess for small landlords and property owners in the united states. i mean this -- the problem here is that moneys that they have already allocated are not getting out to people who need it. they're stuck in the pipelines. what they have decided to do is
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to extend this moratorium and what it is is, an assault on property, it is an assault on small businesses and entrepreneurs and it is creating a mess. this is the same crowd that has given us a spike in inflation and driven prices up at the grocery stores and gas pumps for the very people who they claim that they want to help, lower income residents in our urban cities. this is crazy. neil: do you worry though that republicans, who might be espousing a lot of the stuff they're saying they don't want to look heartless around that is the fear here? so this ends up continuing because it looks bad to say all right, time for you to go? >> yeah. look, if that is the motivation of some folks who have gone silent on this, shame on them because one, one of the things
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we know is that whether it is you know, big welfare stated a very cats or hardcore socialists, they in fact constantly levy and attack on personal liberty and property and if we don't get it what mad us the most robust constitutional republic in 245 years, is our, is our belief in individual liberty and private property, shame on them as i said and they ought to get with the program. here is the reality, neil. folks are going to start pushing back against people who are on the sidelines, wringing their hands. this is about liberty, this is about prosperity. this is about what has made us a great nation. we have not always gotten it right but people being engaged, they have in fact made it better. get engaged. fight back. neil: ken, thank you very much.
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neil: all right, i'm keeping track of the afghan collapse going on here, but the president -- and this is depending on your point of view -- he is not 100% concentrated on that. in fact, anything but. most of his public remarks lately have had very little to do with what's happening there and everything to do with domestic initiatives here. of course, talking a lot yesterday about the $3.a -- 3.5 trillion for spending that was reached in the house, on the infrastructure-only package and the far bigger human infrastructure packag, as well on the virus front and now the vaccine that has been cleared by the fda and maybe more to come. and finally, in that's going on at the white house today, he's going to be meeting with a number of top tech and financial ceos including the heads of amazon, apple and jpmorgan chase. the issue is cybersecurity. right now that is the focus at least money wise for this
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president. edward lawrence at the white house with more on that. hey, edward. >> reporter: yeah. publicly anything but afghanistan, right? this'll be the only public appearance the president has currently on his public schedule, this meeting about cybersecurity. huge tech companies are here. the head of apple, you mentioned, tim cook, as well as sun darpa chai from alphabet, buttal some other industry -- but also other industry titans, jpmorgan, duke energy, they're all talking about cybersecurity and how the u.s. can partner with companies to protect critical infrastructure. a senior administration official says the president is making this a call to action. so that's at home. now, in afghanistan there are fears about the growing technology the taliban has access to, a grass roots human rights group called human rights first says the taliban is likely to have access to government technology, much of it from the u.s. and other equipment left behind by the u.s. that includes databases and
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scanners with facial recognition and fingerprint and iris scan data on it. on allies to the u.s. as well as human rights workers. >> there are sporadic reports of taliban going door to door with some kind of biometric device. now, i wouldn't underestimate their technological sophistication given the fact that we've been there for 20 years, they've been there and understanding the technological evolution that's required to keep up. >> reporter: and human rights first worries the taliban will use this information to graphically kill those who helped the u.s. they think that we will hear more about the use of this technology once the taliban fully take over the country and the u.s. is gone. so with a all of this, a new poll from "usa today" shows americans are not happy with how the president handled this withdrawal. his job approval rating to just 41%, 55% disapprove. a majority of people supported
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the decision to pull out of afghanistan, but two-thirds disapprove of how it was handled, 73% believe afghanistan will become a hotbed for terrorism once again, and a majority of those polled also say that, overall, the war in afghanistan was not worth it. neil in. neil: thank you very, very much, for all of that, edward. let's go to hillary vaughn on some of these other efforts democrats are taking to keep the eye on what they call the prize, that $3.5 trillion spending package. it would be the biggest in american history that hit all the right buttons for them but maybe not right now all that likely even with the deal scored. where does this stand right now, hillary? >> reporter: well, right now, neil, they are busy filling in the details, and each committee is writing their portions of that $3.5 trillion reconciliation package. but congress overall is poised to to push out $5 trillion total in new government spending this month. but this is happening as
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economists are are warning that we are not getting a lot of bang for our buck when it comes to the economic impact of this extra cash. data is signaling that the economic expansion is slowing. the $3.a 5 trillion reconciliation package is not going to do much to boost sectors that relie on consumer spending -- rely on consumer spending. a big bulk is going to universal pre-k, subsidized college and climate change initiatives, and the $1 trillion slated for hard infrastructure projects like roads, rail, bridges and broadband, the penn wharton budget model predicts will have no significant effect on gdp over the next decade or even the next 30 years. this record spending cocould do a lot of damage if it is not fully paid for, and speaker pelosi said this morning that may not be possible. >> i'd like to have it totally paid for, we'll see what is
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possible. >> reporter: [inaudible] the $3.5 trillion price tag is misleading. >> even with the tax increases through the blueprint of the budget resolution, you still had $17 trillion -- add 17 trillion to the deficit. every economist will say at our level of debt and spending will lead to a financial crisis. even cbo said that. with rising debt will lead to a financial crisis. they couldn't predict when, but they said that it would. >> reporter: and, neil, the downside of this deaf deficit spending could be putting a match on this inflation problem, making what economists say is transitory right now but could become a permanent problem if they continue with this pace of spending. neil? neil: all right. got it. thank you very much, hillary. the bigger issue here is whether the president has lost his negotiating edge here as his popularity has just gone into a
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complete tunnel given this afghan collapse. for the latest, let's go to trey yingst who's been following this in doha, qatar, with the latest. trey. >> reporter: neil, good afternoon. with less than a week until american troops are set to leave afghanistan, there are still major questions about if u.s. citizens trapped in the country will be able to make it out. now, today i spoke with a taliban spokesperson in qatar. he said the group will insure safe passage for americans in other parts of afghanistan as long as they have a valid u.s. passport. now, in appreciate days the taliban -- in recent days, the taliban announced afghans would no longer be permitted to leave. here's what the taliban had to say to fox news earlier today. there are thousands of americans stranded in other parts of afghanistan, places like kandahar, not just in kabul. will the taliban insure their safety to get out of the country? >> yes. yes, yes. this is not only for kabul, for
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kandahar and anywhere in afghanistan, those who are intending to leave afghanistan, they can leave. so, but of course they should have passports and visas. >> reporter: these words come as g7 leaders are urging president biden to extend that august 31st deadline to withdraw troops from the country. today german chancellor angela merkel expressed concern that afghanistan will once again become a breeding ground for terrorism and said her country will continue evacuations but needs the u.s. there. back in february president biden told america's european allies this: >> america is back. diplomacy is back at the center of our foreign policy. >> reporter: one other question right now that lawmakers have in washington, who's calling the shots as it relates to that august 31st deadline. president biden or the taliban. neil in. neil: all right. thank you very much for that,
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trey yingst. in the meantime, susan crabtree, who's been following very closely, real clear politics white house and national political correspondent. susan, it's the very obvious the president's poll numbers have tumbled. that's a snapshot in time, we know historically presidents that have been in tough conditions have come out of them just as presidents who were high in the polls have seen that to be a fleeting moment as well. but that being said, this comes at the worst time for a president who, you know, many want his party to be leading the charge to be getting the spending packages through and those abroad who want him leading the charge on climate change and even that global corporate tax. is he's wounded right now. >> that's for sure. i've never seen a president's approval ratings dip -- actually plummet -- this far, this fast. i really can't remember a time when that has happened. we have, you know, the new
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suffolk university poll saying he is at 41. real clear politic, we like to track in this very closely, he was always since january in the mid to low 50s. he's underwater on everything, the economy, immigration. the only thing where he's sort of equal is on covid, and even that has been dipping down to about 50-50 right now with the new delta variant. so, yeah, it's really hard. i'm working on a piece about whether he can rebuild his credibility going into the fall. the democrats really wanted this domestic agenda to be the focus, and it seems avoidable that he would make september 11th at all times such a, an important date to so many americans, this focus on his foreign policy and this incredible debacle that we're seeing in afghanistan. neil: you know, aye always wondered -- i've always wondered what the strategy is, susan, where he so rarely takes
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questions about it, sometimes he's forced into it and moves on. today's a very good example. he's having this cybersecurity summit with top, you know, ceos and keeping the eye on, you know, the covid cases that he says are stabilizing right now as the vaccine gets fda approval and maybe another one to come, and the strategy must be people will get over their fixation with what's going on in afghanistan when we're out of afghanistan and we can look back at, you know, a couple of hundred thousand -- that's at least their estimate, the white house -- they will have evacuated from afghanistan. do you buy that? if. >> well, i think it's a huge gamble because we saw what happened in iraq. i was there when they announced in fort bragg that they were taking every single troop out, and it was a big celebration only three years later to send way more troops back in and get us back into the war on terrorism. when you take their eye off the ball, it's very easy for
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terrorists to reconstitute. we have general milley saying they already are, we we know there's an isis k threat that biden talked about. what's going to happen there? i see this as a very unnecessary gamble. and he looked very detached to to me talking about cybersecurity right now when you have the main focus, so many americans are either have had love ared ones in -- loved ones in afghanistan or iraq, or they know, are very close to american families who have had their siblings and loved ones deployed. so i think this is, you know, it's a very avoidable situation and predictable situation, and i really don't understand how he would have not handled this better. to be able to get our people out and not leave them stranded in afghanistan, thousands of americans and sivs, it's just, to me, really tragic situation and that, you know, we're going to look back -- this is not something that is fleeting. we are going to be focused on
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afghanistan and whether there's a terrorist threat emanating from there for months to come. and you have democrats in his party being extremely critical of him. and i think that's the key here. you had democrat congressmen going to afghanistan in the last 24 hours, that's how concerned they are about how what he is telling people is not matching what's going on on the ground, and so there's a great credibility gap. neil: yeah, i think to your point and to put a final top on it here, it isn't so much that americans didn't agree with him about time to get out. what galls them right now is they're handing it over to the country -- or to the group that got us in afghanistan to begin with. and it is like the loser has the spoils. and we're okay with that. there's an inability of the white house to recognize that that, that is tragic in and of itself. >> absolutely so.
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and, you know, the fact that they are wearing our uniforms, they have our equipment, this is just, you know, unbelievable to so many americans. and i honestly think that it would have been, if he had done it in the right way and there was minor issues, it would have been something that we could, you know, americans were ready to turn the page. you see that in the polls. about 60% of americans still support the withdrawal even to this day. neil: right, right. >> but they do not like how it has gone, come to pass. this is, you know, it's obvious that americans are ready to turn the page on afghanistan but not in this way, not in a way that was so hue pilluating and so -- humiliating and so hard for so many americans that have had people serve or who know of people and loved ones that have served there. neil: all right. susan, very good catching up with you, real clear politics national political correspondent, susan crabtree, on all to of that. we're going to talk to a top
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♪♪ neil: all right, the great exodus continues in kabul right now, and i think, to hear from some top pentagon officials tell us, we have more than enough time the get those who want to get out, out of kabul at the rate we are going. 19,000 evacuated in just the last 24 hours, they say, including 90 u.s. military planes and international flights that, combined, were leaving an average of every 39 minutes. most of those planes packed when they did so. so at the rate they're going, the argument seems to be that tens of thousands more could be out by next week at this time. of course, it's only six days away, that august 31st-imposed deadline, that everybody american and american-supporting folks be out of the country entirely.
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we are going to stick to that, including our troops. the downsizing has become on that front as well, 500 of them from the if 6,000 high levels we had have already left. the former executive officer to general david petraeus joins us now. colonel, very are good to see you. you've been critical of this process, but the process is on, and it doesn't seem like it's going to change. the read i got in between the lines, colonel, from pentagon officials is that they're moving at a rapid rate, and that might be more than enough time to get everybody out. what do you think? >> well, it would only be enough time to get everyone out if everyone who wants to get out can get to the airport. look, there are plenty of people elsewhere with in afghanistan who can't even get to kabul. there are plenty of people in kabul who won't be able to get to the airport.
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i think it's all but certain that there will be americans and foreign nationals left behind, not to mention lots and lots of afghans who worked for us who we will not be able to get to the airport. neil: yeah. we always think, don't we, colonel, in terms of kabul, but there are many stranded at points far, far from that airport. we've had helicopter rescues, i guess the third one last night, but into kabul, outside the taliban, you know, perimeter from the airport. but very, you know, not a one that i know of beyond that. >> that's correct. and getting those people out is going to require some sort of diplomatic arrangement with the taliban. they have got to allow foreign nationals, especially americans, to depart once our military airhead is disbanded at the end of this month. otherwise we'll have americans still in afghanistan, and i think that would be the end of in this presidency.
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neil: you know, colonel, i'm wondering what was the thinking or the intelligence that we're missing that prompted the president to say the 31st. he did allude to the fact that, you know, our soldiers would be, you know, under threat of a terror attack. we're learning more that it wasn't so much the taliban he was worried about, but isis-k factions, i guess an islamic affiliate that is no fan of or remotely close to the taliban. do you believe that, that there was a concern that even if the taliban did nothing, some of these other groups might? >> i think it's quite possible that isis-k wants to attack american forces at kabul. they can do that one of two ways really. they can strap on suicide vestses and blow up people on the perimeter waiting to get in, or they can use rockets or mortars to target the airfield
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itself. the latter would be especially dangerous given the number of planes that are packed into that runway. this is where the commanders on the ground need to get with their taliban counterparts and say, hey, look, you want us out, we want to get out, you protect us from these, these people. and there is no love lost really between the taliban and isis-k. so i'm sure they would probably do that. neil: i'm just wondering, you know, leaving aside the bagram air force base that we left some weeks ago, colonel, and the taliban is preparing to take over the kabul airport, they don't know how to fly, they don't have any pilots that we know of now that they have some of our best planes and jets but no one to fly them. i'm just wondering, what do they do? >> well, first, regarding bagram, i know there's a lot of people said we should have held on to it. the problem with bagram is all
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of these refugees and various people wouldn't have been able to make the journey there. so i really think that's a red herring. kabul international's a better place to evacuate people from. regarding the aircraft that was left behind, most of them were not high performance jets, they were helicopters, they were turboprop planes, they aren't really the top of the line are. a number of them did flee the country to tajikistan before the fall of the country. the rest will simply atrophy due to lack of spare parts. so this isn't a really huge issue. the taliban's going to get some weapons that they won't be able to maintain, and that will be the end of it. neil: colonel, thank you very much. good catching up with you. >> thanks, neil. neil: all right: in the meantime, we are following what's happening on the covid front. the hope now that the fda has aapproved the pfizer vaccine and
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♪ neil: you know, whenever i want to know what's the latest on covid, what's going on, jonathan serrie, he's just the best at it. in atlanta he follows all these developments from this inconclusive study as to where the origins of this really started to now the push for booster shots and everyone talking about progress on the vaccination front. he wraps it all together. he's in atlanta now with the latest. hey, jonathan. >> reporter: hi there, neil. my mom must have paid you to say those very kind words, thank you very much. [laughter] the intelligence community has provided president biden with a classified briefing on its
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investigation into the origins of covidment however, according to reporting by "the washington post," their conclusions are inconclusive. we're awaiting a declassified version of that report in the coming days. the initial theory was that the virus had jumped from bats to humans in a market in wuhan, china. later theories included a laboratory accident which chinese officials are disputing. johnson & johnson has released clinical trial data showing that a booster to its single-dose covid vaccine enhances the immune response to the virus: the company plans to discuss with federal health officials a potential strategy of giving the additional shot to people eight months or longer after their initial dose. disney world has reached an agreement with labor unions representing 38,000 employees to require shots for all members who do not have a legitimate religious or medical exemption. lsu has announced fans must provide proof of vaccination or a negative covid test to get
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into games at tiger stadium. and delta airlines has announced up vaccinated employees enrolled in the company's account-based health care plan will be subject to a $200 monthly surcharge starting november 1st. in a company memo if, ceo ed bastion explains the average hospital stay for covid-19 has cost delta $50,000 per person. this surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk, the decision for not vaccinating is creating for our company. health officials say that vaccination rates have increased 70% nation wide since mid july, and they're seeing some of the greatest progress in states that have been lagging behind, states like arkansas, alabama and louisiana and mississippi reporting much higher vaccination rates. obviously, many people concerned about this highly infectious delta variant. neil?
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neil: absolutely. jonathan, thank you very much. my next guest is one of those relieved to hear that vaccination rates are heating up, a position at nyc and public advocate. doctor, the trend seems to be more people are getting vaccinated. sometimes their employers are forcing the issue. you don't care the means or the reason i why, you just want to see more vaccinated, right? >> well, i'm in favor of vaccination, but i am concerned about the way that we're going about this. i mean, so we have -- well, the vaccine is life saving, you know? the studies support that. but i get anxiety when i talk to people. so, for example, with the mandate, you know, there's the intended consequence, right? and then there's the unintended consequence. so talking to people who have medical practices, these are doctors, i mean, as we both know, there are people who are adamant about not having the vaccine, right? so some of these folks, they actually work as health care
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workers, not necessarily as doctors and nurses, but let's say as medical assistants or receptionists or let's say people who are cleaning, like if housekeeping or dietary services. if those folks opt to quit their jobs rather than get vaccinated, then we will have a problem. we will have a problem taking care of sick patients whether they have covid or whether they have heart disease or cancer or other medical problems and they delayed their care. so i think that we may reduce the rate of the delta variant spreading, we may reduce the rate of covid infections, but we may have a major pop in terms of taking care of -- problem in terms of taking care of sick patients. i am concerned about the way this particular vaccine mandate situation is polarizing society. neil: i'm a little alarmed at the number of breakthrough cases we're seeing. i know statistically, doctor, they're small, but they do grab people's attention. should we worry? >> well, the breakthrough cases,
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i mean, so we need more data about that. so people are getting, testing positive for covid, for the delta variant, let's say, even if they have been vaccinated. but we're not necessarily as concerned about whether they are positive versus whether they have serious infection, so enough to put them in the dnee'tmdnoaveeases cas tydidn ife hitheitr va atreast itheyey h so iity, n ireor i atitibohat. t to kww ieo aerectua ayllllstg pt thrkgh cas,es the re adspgading tintion t otrs.he tiss imp i. wthisn w the tiewehe thi t hhiaven at wan t, say sayay i i i i necs esju ijuf yjuouf g vne, doesroteou but does it it oectht otple. because that's a very different discussion in terms of the
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benefits. like, if i -- i'm a scientific researcher as well, i usually talk to people about study subjects, about whether there's a benefit to them or whether it's a benefit to society because it's very different, you know, to separate those two when you talk to people. so in this case, the fda didn't really comment on that. so i think that that also is something that needs to be investigated further and separated out because in older patients it's clearly beneficial to them to have the vaccine. and now talk about kids, is it boesch official to the kids -- beneficial to the kids, or is it beneficial in terms of the older people that they're around if the kids get the vaccine. that really has to be teased out further, and i think people would like to see some to objective trials and objective information presented about that. so, you know, very delicate, very delicately handled and right now seeing people in the administration forecasting the fda approval is already giving people billion some concern.
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giving people some concern. neil: got it. doctor, thank you very, very much. speaking of fda approval, again, moderna -- excuse me, moderna seems to be signaling its vaccine is going to get that approval as soon as is next month. that would make pfizer and moderna now cleared by the fda. stay with us. ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪
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♪ neil: you know, normally when we think of drug smuggling, human trafficking, that sort of stuff, our eyes are always set on the border with mexico, right, the texas border particularly, but it's not limited to that area. in fact, far from it. connell mcshane in miami beach, florida, where it's a big issue, and they're on top of it as we speak. hey, connell. >> reporter: it is. hey there, neil. you're right, it is a big issue, and you don't think of it here so much, but especially in recent years it's really been building up. is so our idea to come down here for some reporting was to tag along with u.s. customs and border protection. they have in this air and marine operations. we went out with the agents, and
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we were supposed to just be observing their training, getting a sense of what these agents do, but we ended up right in the middle of a very real operation. take a look. a boat full of migrants just to my right, we're told these people came in from haiti earlier today. now, we were out with federal agents on the open waters just outside of miami on a training exercise. we started on a blackhawk helicopter, we roted along the beach -- rode along the beach on atvs and some of the agents giving us an idea of what they do in terms of trying to stop drug smuggling, and we were just wrapping up the training exercise when a real call came in. a good samaritan called in, said that a boat ran aground in about a foot of water just off the shore, and we arrived there, local law enforcement was on the scene as well, and they caught some of these people and some others on there. and, you know, you can see these families, a lot of young people, a young baby that the federal
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agent is holding in his apartments right now. this is the kind of -- in his arms right now. this is the kind of things these agents are dealing with, and they were dealing with it in realtime while we were with them today. 42 haitian nationals were taken into custody as part of this particular operation, so i spoke late in the day with one of agentsen on scene. what happens to these people now? what's the process from here on out? >> so the ones that border patrol takes, they'll -- border patrol will determine what's going to happen to 'em, coast guard, the women and children, they'll probably be repatriated to haiti. >> reporter: and that's because they didn't make it to u.s. soil. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: whereas the men have have to go through the process and apply for asylum? >> that's correct, sir. >> reporter: yeah. the women and children, as of earlier today, still in the u.s. some did have have to receive, as you heard there, medical attention. but those men on the boat who made it to shore, as the agent
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said, they might have attar better chance at asylum, we just don't know yet. very interesting to see these agents doing their job, making these decisions in realtime yesterday when we were able to tag along. back to you. neil: yeah, that's stunning. great reporting too. connell, thank you very much for that. connell mcshane following a story that you probably didn't realize was happening, especially where that is happening. meanwhile, the big story, of course, is getting americans, afghans out of afghanistan, that has fixated certainly the nation, the world for the last couple to weeks. but how do we find these people especially when our resources are limited in the technology that my next guest and his company, andy wilson, runs a company called private professionals, they do have a way of tracking down folks. very good to have you, andy. how does your company go about this? >> yeah, neil. first of all, thanks for having me on and bringing light to the
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subject. yeah, so what we've done is having spent decades in the military and retiring, getting out and having a lot of friends that we have overseas in afghanistan, all our allies, we can't let them down. so what we've decided to do use what we do for our defense contracting firms, our professionals and open source intelligence company, an hittics group -- analytics group, take that technology and parlay that over to the commercial sector and stand up, basically, a grassroots movement to be able to use this technology to track just like we would in a joint operations center that was globally dispersed with all these elements around the world. neil: so i don't want you to give away your trade secret, but how would you try to find somebody who's saying, i'm here, don't leave me? >> sure. there's all kinds of methods that are used. there are applications on cell phones that we're using. we do know, we do have a lot of
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assets to open source intelligence, and we're also tied into some government programs, so we know how things work and how they operate. i will tell you there are, there are methods and techniques to avoid being intercepted with the messages that you're passing and sending across. but unfortunately, there's such a volume of afghanistan nationals that need to get out of country, and we're talking better part of 30,000 at least that are still, we're certain are still there and probably closer to 200,000 that are trying to get out. so it's difficult -- neil: you know, we're getting a lot of people out every day. i'm sorry, there's a bit of a delay, so i appear rude. i am rude, actually, but it's not deliberate. i did want to get your take on the numbers you're hearing from the pentagon, that we cleared out 19,000 in the last 24 hour. they're very optimistic they can maintain that a pace. it kind of left us with the understanding those who wanted to get out most will get out by
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the 31st. do you think that's true? >> there's no, there's definitely -- it's physically not possible. and i think that everybody, i think all the american citizens know that. anyone that doesn't know that is simply, has simply been under a rock for a while. right now there's a bottleneck. it's not just at hamid karzai international airport, it's at the locations that they're trying to get the refugees and the immigrants to. there's just not enough space and not enough capacity. and apparently, not enough willingness with our current government, administration to actually support these efforts and get us across the goal line. that's why we've had this grassroots movement of all these defense contractors, government officials, congressional leaders, former and current that are all tied into this network. it's amazing thing, really gave
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me a new faith and energy in the american spirit when all of these people came together. and people are working around the clock, 24/7. people are running businesses and stopping and applying all of their assets and resources to support this effort. recently, we just stood up a not-for-profit relief fund, it's called project afghan relief fund. you can find it www.parf.us because this are relief fund is going to be critical to continue funding operations of getting afghans out of the country and getting them to safe places. but remember, this is just the start. because once we get 'em here, you have got to integrate into society is, you know, we've got immigration concerns already -- neil: no. yeah, that's the next hill to climb. andy, thank you very, very much. i do appreciate it and your incredible service to the
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♪ neil: all right, i guess the goal is your daily crypto update. we don't praise if it one way or the other, but we certainly don't dismiss it, and what's happening lately bears some watching because it is flirting in and out of the 50,000 a. coin level. remember, it wasn't all that long ago it had tumbled to a little more than $29,000, so that's about a 70% run since then. crypto currency investing for dummies, great to have you. what do you make of this?
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you were always saying the underpinnings for cryptocurrency looked good, and then we hear china piling on, maybe our securities and exchange commission piling on, yet it's weathering those blows fairly nicely. what's going on? >> thanks for having me back and, yes, the $50,000 level is super, super important because the first time it was back in february 2021, and then this little -- acted as a support for bitcoin price all the way when bitcoin was trying to break above $64,000. it kind of went up and down at the $60,000, acted as this floor and a support level which prevented the prices to drop x. then after it did break the floor, then it was just downfall from there. so this makes this a very important psychological level. if that's the reason -- and that's the reason primarily, because technical analyses and -- find it very hard to crack. we do have a ton of medium to
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long-term bullish indications over here, but normally what we see as these key psychological limits, a little bit up and down. and the support level right now is about $44,000, so i would expect to see that again. neil: it didn't shake out that many investors, particularly among millennials who make up the bulk of the buyers of this which is kind of surprising, less so older fogies like myself. what's interesting here is they continue buying or at least certainly are holding on, maybe buoyed by news that companies like paypal are using it as a payment in britain or will and many others that are kicking around doing is the same, to say nothing of all the houses that e applying right? >> yeah, absolutely. so these signals, again, these are great for, to get the noise
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or to get the brand awareness about bitcoin around people for people who don't know what bitcoin is. but in the long term, bitcoin's value isn't derived by these d bitcoin's value is derived by underlying blockchain -- [inaudible] the fact that there's only ever going to be 21 million bitcoins ever. so because of supply and demand, eventually bitcoin is going to -- in my opinion, it's got the that go higher -- neil: how much higher? it's a game, but a lot of bulls say it doesn't reflect the demand that's out there. >> right. i mean, oh, my gosh. they're going to quote me on this, i think easily $1,000 -- [inaudible] but there is going to be a ton of -- neil: i know it will double, you ago it'll double -- argue it'll
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double from here. when do you see that happening in. >> i'm not going to put a timeline because bitcoin is very, very volatile. do not buy because i just said that, please -- neil: fair enough. you see it getting to $100,000 a coin at a minimum. >>. minimum. we've already broken above $50,000, super psychological, then 64 was, to me, that was actually pretty fast. as it got to 64,000, but, yep. yeah, i'm not going to put a time on it -- neil: no, no, you're right. just play with it, don't put your whole fortune in it, but, you know, if you have money, you want just sort of see what happens, maybe bitcoin. more after this. in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row.
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