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million pounds debris from the surfside collapse. and again our prayers and thoughts go with them all. that does it for us on "fox business tonight." i will be here all week. thank you for watching. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: okay tonight we've got a big rethink. we have new reports coming in that russian state hackers did try to breach and hack into the republican national committee. now the rnc is denying it. saying it wasn't that bad. we have got this. a new biden and administration investigation into another potential russian hack of hundreds of companies worldwide. democrats now say the administration does need to move more swiftly on russia. we have a big rethink on defunding the police. 4th of july weekend saw an historic crime wave.
more than 230 people fatally shot. joining us former assistant fbi director chris schweikert, former boston police believe alinsky. marty mcdonald. marc thiessen, kat cammack and former border patrol chief ron vitiello. leaders tried to blame historic crime wave on things like sexism, climate change, covid-19. oil prices hitting a six--year high. we have more on the owner of the keystone xl pipeline and nearly two dozen states now suing the biden administration for canceling the pipeline arguing that the administration respectfully violated nafta and the constitution. we have more mask confusion. just in one week's time dr. fauci has appeared to have done an olympic sized flip-flop. we got it. as a new study cames out from
dartmouth and brown university, that the u.s. media is relentless more negative than scientific journals, even the foreign press. finding the negative in declining cases of covid-19 and school reopenings. now all of this. this is happening, "the washington post," the teachers union, picking up on this negativity, claiming that the dark clouds of lockdowns loom once again. the gop now ratcheting it up saying nancy pelosi and the democrats are covering up for china as democrats try to shift the blame and focus for the outbreak on trump. where are the alarm bells? where is the outrage over china developing dangerous superviruses that could leak out of their labs? and the gop race for 2024, getting a lot more crowded. trump rallies picking up. this as "axios" now reporting that democrats fear that kamala harris, not strong enough to take on any gop contenders if president biden does not seek re-election. also this, biden officials
continue to downplay the historic border crisis and plan to open up the border even more. we got it. more than a dozen states stepping in to help. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: thanks for joining us. we hope you had a good 4th of july weekend. we have a packed show for you. we start with a russian hacker gang going ton an international crime spree in 17 countries including the u.s. they claim they locked up more than a million individual devices around the world. it is best known for hacking jbs, the biggest meat supplier. let's get live to edward lawrence who is at the white house with more. reporter: elizabeth before we get into that, late word about another potential hack, cynex, i.t. company, someone tried to
hack into their systems through the microsoft cloud. the ceo says they were limit the activity of those bad actors. the rnc, republican national committee was one of the clients of that service. the rnc says their systems were not compromised and no data was taken for them. let's talk about the massive hack we've been talking about all day today. the ceo of that company said they were embarrassed and they're working to fix the issue. the hackers posted on the dark web they want $70 million for a universal key that unlocks all the machines around the world. the president, president biden, downplaying the impact of the attack. listen. >> i can tell you a couple things. i received an update from our national security team this morning. it appears to have caused minimal damage to u.s. businesses but we're still gathering information and to the full extent of the attack. reporter: the florida company that was attacked runs remote i.t. for up to 1500 companies around the globe.
the administration still talking with experts what to do next. >> we'll just reiterate a message that these officials are sending. as the president made clear to president putin when they met, if the russian government cannot or will not take action against criminal actors residing in russia, we will take action or reserve the right to take action on our own. reporter: but at the end of the day, elizabeth, she says it is up to the private companies to secure their own networks. back to you. elizabeth: edward lawrence, thanks for your great reporting there, great to see you. let's get right to former assistant fbi director chris schweikert. thanks so much for joining us. how does this end, how does this stop? we got solarwinds, russia still thought to be inside of the u.s. government still. historic hack. jbs meat processing hacked, colonial hacked how does the u.s. stop it, how does the world stop it.
>> there is not a scintilla of doubt that this russian organization was sanctioned and blessed by putin's fsb, russian intelligence services. they have all the methods and techniques that they use. it goes away when we stop jawboning the action. chris krebbs, a cybersecurity expert and worked in the cyber intelligence area we have to take action. we have to do things like prosecute and extradite, especially people like bogo-cefr, the most wanted cyber criminal, the kremlin can pick up any day. member of interpol. there is a several million dollar reward on his head. he invented the ransomware. pick him up and send him back to the united states to let us prosecute him. elizabeth: we hear what you're saying. the biden administration according to "the wall street journal" is planning a new approach that
would do away, get rid of widespread economic pressure campaigns that the trump administration did, things like unilateral sanctions. we have democrat jackie spears that the biden administration needs to act more quickly. what should the biden administration do? should they not get rid of unilateral sanctions? >> i think sanctions are another tool to use. that will, they, we need for them to feel the pain when they allow this to happen. make no mistake, vladmir putin allows this to happen. sometimes he recruits the hackers to do espionage like they hacked into ukraine during the invasion of crimea. they hacked into the dnc. they do the bidding of the russian government. for the most part they're for-profit criminal organizations and as they ply their skills the russian government will use them every now and then. they are directly responsible. the sanctions would help. renditions and prosecutions would help, knocking these people out of the box. when they finally started
extraditing drug traffickers, we hit them pretty hard. most of their big kingpins are in jail. we need to break these organizations up. elizabeth: treat it the same way. chris swecker, thanks for your insights. thanks for the service to our country. come back soon. let's turn it this story. next case, more than 400 shootings, more than 230 killed. 464 injured. look who is back with us now, former boston police chief daniel lines ski. it was a incredibly horrendous weekend for violence. this is happening from coast to coast but we have city leaders still blaming sexism, climate change, covid-19. don't we need to give cops more money to remove illegal guns off the street? >> absolutely. we're seeing a time like we saw in the late 80s, early '90s where the epidemic was sweeping across the nation. the response was flood the nation with cops. flood neighborhoods with cops. we have lower number of police officers because we can't
recruit and retain them and we've got less funding, less time for us to do proactive things to engage in to prevent crimes going forward. if all we're doing reacting we'll get back to the '90s era response policing. we'll lose all the ground we made for decades with community police initiatives where communities and cops worked together to develop strategies to hold violent offenders accountable. elizabeth: that is it. you have to got to go after the criminals and again throw the book at them. it is, we hear about illegal guns. it is about the criminals, it is about drugs and gangs. it is about a weak border allowing drugs and gangs to flood into our cities. new york city mayor bill de blasio, he is doubling down saying no, i'm not going to hire more cops. look at this chilling video of a home break-in from a home surveillance camera. it shows a suspect creeping across the foyer of an apartment here in new york city. he is walking around freely, checking out rooms, opening
doors. now bill de blasio says, i'm not going to use the $6 billion i got in federal funding to hire more cops. i'm not thinking i will do that when the biden administration says you could. what is with that kind of thinking? >> i don't know. i know police officers working with communities can cause solutions to problems like this. if we don't have police officers and we don't give them -- this is a time we want to reimagine police and have police do things differently. that is going to require personnel, training time and investment. if we want to change the way police communities and do it effectively, we need to invest in that, make sure we're supporting officers, with additional support personnel, with people doing different things than armed officers that is great, we need to do things differently. we encourage folks going into the justice system, if they get arrested they are right back out in the street the next day. what that says to the community why would i cooperate with police against violent offender
who will seek violence against me with my corporation? they're not prosecuting crimes and releasing repeat offenders. the system needs to be tweaked. the opportunity is here. no more time of our policing have people wanted to change policing and do it. we need resours to do just that. we need to put money where the criminals are. elizabeth: the worst thing that happened with defund the police was the stereotyping and the broad paint brush used to hit all cops across the board. you know, we've been stereotyping all cops as bad. police across the country are now understaffed. they're unable, as you point out, they're unable to keep up with the rise in violence due to record numbers of cops quitting and resigning, retiring, declining morale. why? look, listen to this anti-cop sentiment that is so unbalanced, does not give the context of the full story, watch the coverage here. listen.
>> co-opted this idea that defund the police means wiping out police forces when what it really does is enhance and empower law enforcement. >> i want to say any amount of harm is unacceptable and too much but i also want to make sure that the hysteria, that this doesn't drive a hysteria, that we look at these numbers in context. >> what is your take on, do you really think there is a, an uptick in crime the way that republicans are framing it? >> i don't necessarily think that there is an uptick in crime and i can tell you that i know first-hand, status statistics and can be manipulated. >> there are a lot of police unions and republican operatives this recent crime wave has a lot to do with defunding the police. guess what, stephanie, the police have not been defunding. so the rising crime is not the fault of the movement. it is actually the fault of the police.
elizabeth: guess what? cops have been defunded across the country. just look at the data. i guess it is a rounding error when children and toddlers get shot and killed. to these individuals, that seems okay. it is a statistic. it is just another data point. what do you say? >> individuals making decisions on police budgets should ride in police cruisers to sigh what the community is seeing and get to know what the police officers do on the front streets of america all the time. if they want to make decisions to deploy resources absolutely but they should be informed what the actually situations are. not just what they think they are or been told they are. i would rather see people live the experience to see what it is like to walk a mile in a cop's shoes. elizabeth: you would not want to get up out of bed. you would not want to leave your house if you did a cop's job. how about doing that paul you msnbc analysts and pundits, who so cavalierly talk about the subject without talking to the cops or minority immigrants
communities getting slammed by rising crime. talk about this. target and walgreens are shutting stores in many cities in california. why? because of rampant ransacking, looting and theft in broad daylight. we'll show video here. we saw this before where this is a walgreens. a guy is caught on camera with a garbage bag brazenly taking goods out of a walgreen's. we'll show you a neiman marcus store in san francisco was ransacked in broad daylight. officers, they had the getaway cars running, ready to go as they brazenly ran out of the store. you wonder, is it a surprise to the media, retailers are shutting down and causing more problems in communities where they don't have, where companies are leaving? your reaction? >> yeah, absolutely. we work with -- [inaudible] the same challenge. we reached out to law enforcement. can we supplement with off-duty officers at the location. we've been told we don't have the officers to cover it.
even if we could, if we make an arrest, prosecutors are not charging people with these types of crime. i understand not prosecuting somebody if there is a need, homelessness issues, mental health issue, taking them to court, getting them services trying to prevent the problem of them repeating that behavior is something we should be looking for and working towards. it is definitely a concern. we're going to lose grocery stores in areas where there are slim options for food, for communities where nutritious food can be given at a decent price. once those stores go away, those communities will suffer even more. jobs in those stores will go away. it is important to our community -- and ability to keep the community safe and sound to work together on this problem. elizabeth: dan lynn ski, thanks for your service to the country. >> thank you. elizabeth: more on the owner of the keystone xl pipeline suing the biden administration demanding $15 billion in damages for canceling the pipeline.
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elizabeth: joining us now from house energy and commerce he is representative kelly armstrong. hey, congressman, it is good to see you. is this a long shot? the company behind the keystone xl pipeline, they are suing for $15 billion in damages from the biden administration. tce energy claims the biden administration violated nafta breaching the promise to get the keystone pipeline up and running. what do you think, do you think they have a shot here? >> i don't know if they had a shot. i wish u.s. taxpayers would not be on the hook. this is the most vetted pipeline in history. it has gone through more local, state and federal permitting and it is abundantly clear, not only is it bad for u.s. energy policy but bad for our relationships with our closest neighbor and ally, take a permit away change the rules of the game after it has been played.
elizabeth: even the obama state department, the state department on the obama administration signed off on the keystone pipeline. russian criminals hacking, shutting down with the colonial pipeline. they got away with millions of dollars of ransomware. 21 states, including montana and texas leading the charge. they are suing the biden administration. they're saying the biden administration violated the constitution. that only congress can decide and regulate international commerce, what do you say to that? >> north dakota joined the lawsuit, i'm glad they have. being in the center of north america producing a lot of oil and gas there we are concerned about the attack on transportation infrastructure. it is counter intuitive. why do we shut down the keystone xl pipeline and green light nord stream 2 month later? we're sporting our enemies and not helping our allies and going from being energy independent to being energy dependent.
they will transport the oil from canada and sell it from somebody else and transport it from rail or trucks which will increase emissions. >> that is a great point. we have oil and gas prices hitting six or seven year highs. we have also 11,000 jobs lost when the xl pipeline was shut down by the biden administration. now you have the government paying people to not work, the extra federal unemployment benefits. we have more than nine million job openings. you see the trends here, what do you say, final word? >> i say we need to get people back to work. we need to put infrastructure in the ground and let people in my part of the world do what we do best, feed and fuel the world. our biggest risk is the federal government at this point in time. if they stay out of the way and let us do when they do it would be great. elizabeth: congressman kelly armstrong, good to have you on. >> thank you. elizabeth: dr. marty makary is fired up. he will weigh in on dr. fauci breaking the olympic speed record for flip-flops in just one week's time.
critics now warning that fauci and the media are affecting things like school reopenings. we have this. a new study from dartmouth and brown university warns that the u.s. media is way more negative about covid-19 than even scientific journals on things like school reopenings and declining, declining covid cases. that is up next on "the evening edit." stay right there. >> we shouldn't allow tony fauci and facebook to determine what we can and cannot say about this virus. from the beginning he has been giving politicized advice. he admitted he changed his advice based on what would be herd immunity levels, not based on what he thinks he sighs in ss in the data but based on what he thinks the american people are ready to hear. ♪♪ ♪♪
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out there talking about this stuff but i'm not sure if i blame him or all the media that is putting him on incessantly. he needs to get back to work. >> let's watch dr. fauci here. listen to this. >> if you put yourself in an environment where you have a high level of viral dynamics and very low level of vaccine you might want to go the extra step say when i'm in that area where there is a considerable degree of viral circulation, i might want to go the extra mile to be cautious enough to make sure that i get the extra added level of protection, even though the vaccines themselves are highly effective. >> do you expect the cdc to change its mask-wearing guidelines for vaccinated americans? >> no, les i don't, i know we'll be sticking to the guideline. we know from experience now that the vaccines that we're using in this country do very well against the delta variant. the cdc recommendations stand,
if in fact you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated you are protected and you do not need to wear a mask outdoors or indoors. elizabeth: so he is saying you're protected with a vaccine in an area of low vaccinations even against the delta variant. but then he said you may want to wear a mask. you see how that is confusing? does this affect people getting vaccinated when they hear this stuff? >> i think so. it sends a wrong message. i wouldn't mind he would talk about natural immunity. he never ones talked about that. there is no evidence we should change any policy. there is no evidence, no new study that suggests we change policy but there is new fear. that fear is unfounded with any data. you can people to wear a helmet sitting at home watching tv, but it is unfair to frame that going the extra distance or being more safer than another person. elizabeth: we know the pfizer
vaccine we're hear something 30% less effective against the delta train. we understand that, maybe you want to wear a mask. he wasn't talking about that at that point. so the other thing too is, it just changes all the time. at one point dr. fauci said he was raising the herd immunity rate higher and higher but doing that based on polls he was reading showing more and more people were getting vaccinated. you know what i mean? it is just very confusing listening to him? >> i think that was a very telling moment when "the new york times" reported he basically confided in them that he had chosen to change the level of immunity in the population of herd immunity, changed the definition and he explained why he did it. he thought the country could handle a change in the threshold. you know this sort of paternalism right now damages the credibility of public health. we'll need that credibility in the fall. we're going to ask people, if you have symptoms, to wear a mask in public indoor areas. we don't want people showing up at grocery stores or business meetings coughing and hacking
up. we want people to exercise good hygiene. so this kind of stuff hurts the credibility of public health. elizabeth: you know, doctor, we also see a new study published by the esteemed national bureau of economic research, it is from dartmouth and browns the study, more u.s. media stories are negative about covid-19, way more negative than even science journals, even the foreign press. the u.s. media is more negative about school reopenings, more negative about vaccine trials, more negative when cases are dropping. does the media and dr. fauci's guidance affect what the nation's largest teachers union demanding vaccines for everybody? does it have a impact? >> absolutely. most of what we're fighting now is a public perception battle. if you look at number of daily cases it is about 1/30th of daily cases of seasonal flu in a mild flu season. now the case fatality similar
rates are similar, that covid is affecting younger people. i wish the media covers the fact, will die of rsp, the virus that causes the common cold. that is still more than the total number of kids during the entire 1months of covid. we're seeing a lot of fear-mongering right now even today, liz with the landa variant, by the way all covid viruses are avant. are a variant. there is no original strain. this is the lamda variant. it is in peru. some scientists claim it evaded vaccinated immunity. i saw a headlines about that. guess what talking about the chinese, certain novak, one that is poorly effective. this sort of stuff hurts our cause. elizabeth: dr. marty makary, great to have you on. come back soon. >> sure, liz.
elizabeth: congresswoman kat cammack, on this story, where is the outrage, alarm bells, by democrats and media about the chinese developing dangerous virus and along with the chinese military that could leak out of labs over there? gop is ramping up, saying the nancy pelosi and the democrats are covering up for china. we have the story next. with voltaren arthritis pain gel my husband's got his moves back. an alternative to pain pills voltaren is the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement
♪. elizabeth: back with us now, florida republican congresswoman kat cammack. congresswoman, it is great to have you on. okay, is it us or is this a serious thing we don't see the outrage or the alarm bells over the national security problem with russian hackers and the national security problem of china getting u.s. virus technology and americans dna? shouldn't there be some outrage in d.c. about this? >> yeah, absolutely, and i like a lot of other americans around the country are wondering how big of a cyberattack has to occur before president biden will take action?
i have listened to his comments to reporters over the weaken and i'm just going to say it, it is uncomfortable. it is uncomfortable that the commander-in-chief is more focused on eating ice cream and pretending to talk tough with putin where this group, r evil has been conducting 15 cyberattacks a week over the last two months. how big of an attack has to take place for the united states government to stand up to take action? what will it take for the president of the united states to stand up and take action? quite frankly if the president of the united states is not willing to send a message that attacks on the united states and extorting our businesses that are critical suppliers or businesses of any scope or size for that matter if they're not willing to send a message that this is unacceptable republicans in congress will. i like a lot of americans around the country, we have had enough. elizabeth: okay. it is also a midterm issue because republicans are saying
nancy pelosi and democrats are also covering up for china and stonewalling republican demands for probes into the potential wuhan lab leak after a pandemic that killed 600,000 americans. now you have peter daszak, he is running that ecohealth alliance that funded the wuhan lab using taxpayer money, he is also house energy republican demands for information. what is he hiding? >> well clearly something. and again, covid didn't discriminate between republicans and democrats. it didn't discriminate between white and black. americans of every background, every color, creed, race, religion, we should all be demanding answers for the origins of coronavirus, right? unfortunately democrats are more concerned with driving a security colleagues we are demanding an investigation into the origin of the wuhan lab leak because we know now that this
was a lab leak. we know based on the science, based on the facts on the ground and based on the emails that have been uncovered that this definitely came from the wuhan lab and it was funded using taxpayer dollars. americans across the board, as well as the rest of the world demand answers. they deserve answers for what has taken the lives of so many and ruined so many families across this globe. so we just got to get tough. it is well past the point of rhetoric. we've got to take action. elizabeth: you know democrats are in the majority. they have got the subpoena power here. the thing with peter daszak and republicans are saying this too, he used taxpayer money via the nih sending it over to the wuhan lab. this is american taxpayer money. don't american taxpayers deserve the transparency here? don't they deserve to hear from him, emails, letters, any communications he sent to the wuhan lab talking about bat
coronaviruses, genetic sequencing laboratory safety practices? it is about american taxpayers. it is about us, right? >> absolutely, let us not forget the gain of function research conducted using taxpayer-funded dollars and this is the thing americans should be outraged and screaming to members of congress and representatives both on the house and senate side as well as asking demanding of the president of united states. their taxpayer dollars, our taxpayer dollars are going to fund research overseas that is killing americans. we need to know exactly what every single dollar went to, how it was conducted, how it was controlled, why there has been a massive coverup with the w.h.o. who is complicit with the chinese communist party in the beginning of the outbreak to mislead the global community and to america which resulted in a fallty data modeling that killed thousands and thousands of people. there is, there are answers that need to be had and we as
representatives in congress are going to get them because it is quite clear, be it cyberattack or origins of this virus we cannot count on this president to get answers. elizabeth: congresswoman kat cammack. thanks for joining us. next up this story, we have fox news contributor marc thiessen. he is going to weigh in on a gop race for 2024. yes we're talking about it. it looks like it is getting really crowded as former president trump is ramping up his rallies. look at this story, "axios" is reporting that democrats fear kamala harris is not strong enough to take on any republican contender if president biden does not seek re-election. we have all that and more coming up next on "the evening edit." stay right there. ♪ so you need a network that's built right. verizon business unlimited starts with america's most reliable network. then we add the speed of verizon 5g.
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trump is ramping up his rallies as gop potential opponents for 2024, that field is looking even more crowded than ever before. what do you say to this? >> well, i think that first of all, the nomination is donald trump's if he wants it. no one will take it away from him. if i had to make a bet i would make a bet he is running. he was on "hannity" the other day, hannity ask him not asking what the decision was have you made a decision? he said yes. he was talking about why he was needed. why his agenda is needed. sounds like he is gear up to run. a lot of people like me who wanted the president to win re-election in 2020 are hoping that he decides to be a king-maker rather than a king. the reality is, most republicans realize we didn't lose the 2020 election because the american people didn't like donald trump's ideas. there was "gallup poll" right before the election, 56% of americans said they were better
off than they were four years ago under barack obama. that is the highest it everybody been in the "gallup poll." elizabeth: you mean under trump. not barack obama. >> worst racial unrest in the 1960s, people still agreed with trump. but the problem was he alienated a lot of voters who were persuadable might have voted for him but were just exhausted by the previous four years. >> capitol riots will hang over him and talking constantly about voter fraud when even republicans are saying he should move on from that because they want to hear more about policies and not that. we have mike pompeo, we have mike pence, nikki haley, we've got ron desantis thought to be in a straw poll the front-runner here. looks like it is getting crowded. there is also this. "axios" is reporting that democrats are worried about kamala harris could not beat any
gop, at a trump rally, trump seemed to be confirming the key pieces of the manhattan d.a. case against the trump organization and cfo. marc, let's listen to this. >> they go after good, hard-working people for not paying taxes on a company car. company car. you didn't pay taxes on the car. or a company apartment. you used an apartment because you needed an apartment because you have to travel too far where you're house is. didn't pay tax. or education for your grandchildren. i don't even know, do you have to, does anybody know the answer to that stuff? elizabeth: well, we saw that in the madison guarranty case with the clintons, right? when madison guarranty bank forgave loans given to bill and hillary clinton, they didn't report it on their tax returns. that should have been reported as income. this has been out there. what do you say to this? >> i guess the question for most conservatives is, do we want to
spend the next, election talking about that or do we want to start talking about open borders? we want to be talking about $6 trillion in spending? do we want to be talking about how they're trying to impose critical race theory on our kids in schools? there are so many important issues. we want to talk about bringing back quite frankly the economy that donald trump delivered for us right before the pandemic hit. get that kind of economic growth going again. those are issues we should be talking about. you named a few people. ron, governor desantis in that, he agrees with everything that donald trump stands for. he supports him on the agenda but look how he has been handling this crisis with the collapse of the towers. he has been presidential. he is holding briefings with the first-responders. he greeted president biden, was able to reach across the aisle. he is delivering very fact all up to date briefings. he is very comforting, measured in the way he handles things. that is the kind of person we need, that is the kind of person we need to carry the ideas of
trumpism into the next election instead of being distracted by whether donald trump paid taxes on his car or not. elizabeth: marc thiessen, good to see you. thanks for joining us. come back soon. >> thank you. elizabeth: coming up former border patrol ron vitiello will tell us what he thinks about biden officials including the homeland security secretary downplaying a border crisis. they have not seen these numbers in a generation. they plan to open up the border even more. more than a dozen states are stepping up and stepping in. we'll explain that next. >> i tell you there will be fiscal costs associated with this, and human tragedy costs associated with this. whether increase of overdose deaths or drug drug depend send sy what the cartels are doing or god forbid one of these criminals released hurting you or one of your family members. the biden administration abdicated their responsibility
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that has been going on for years and years and generations and decades. the point is they tried to cross again and again, because they know they can do it with impunity without consequences and this has been going on for decades. your reaction to this? >> i agree the border patrol when i was there we started looking directly as a measure of success in the 2011 timeframe it is true that some of the people who are expelled under title 42 authority have an ability to come right back across the border and several of them will do that. in may within there's 180,000 apprehensions only 61000 of those apprehensions were people who were expelled during title 42 that's up 120,000 people who cross the border and were either sent to detention were obviously released, that's what causes a surge in the surge as you
mentioned in record territory we've never seen anything like that in the history of dhs. to blame what is going on, the crush of humanity on recidivism is not accurate at all. elizabeth: the point is any illegal crossing is a crime critics have been saying things that the surgeon recidivism is not a mitigating factor in a positive thing it's a sign of how out-of-control the crisis is. now we see four out of ten trying to cross again and again, that is up from one out of seven. we see, also the story coming in the biden a administration is talking about rather opening of the border even more getting rid of title 42 which says border control can stop people at the border due to covid-19 there talking about wiping out that, what effect would this have. >> we can only be concerned about how they handle the next
step, went into the last surge was the protocols in the asylum accord with the northern triangle guatemala, honduras and el salvador title 42 cayman after the pandemic started which allowed cdp to send people back into mexico if they were single adults and families into the beginning of the year they stopped 42 for children in mexico change their laws so tender age children cannot be sent back that's what caused the search we stop the micro protection protocols and we stopped asylum accords in january of this year and then title 42 was suspended for children that's what caused the rush of children at the border that we saw in february, march, april, may and june, now if they tear down title 42 again single adults which is being applied to now then those people are going to come in record numbers, ice needs to have resources to prepare for that as another
search. elizabeth: critics say the border facilities will get more and more crowded. we have a dozen states sending law enforcement to help out texas with the border crisis. senator tom cotton is saying it's a shame that it's come to that and they may have to have states sending their own troops to the border, your final word. >> this is a federal responsibility and given the right resources and policies or congressional action cbp, the border patrol are very well prepared to handle this problem, what they don't have is a policy backup or the legislative change that allows them to address this search, having the state send additional help is a benefit to the border patrol and released the stress that they are under but it's awkward to fix the bigger problem. elizabeth: rob vitello, thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it, thank you for your service to our country you make great points and great insights.
come back soon i am elizabeth macdonald, you been watching "the evening edit" on fox business we hope you join us tomorrow night. thank you so much for watching we hope you have a good evening. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. larry: hello everyone, welcome to "kudlow", i am larry kudlow. this evening, and may not exactly be breaking news but it turns out the people would rather have a job than a tax hike. in fact it turns out people would rather have a job then vote for tax hikes on other people. also it turns out that limousine liberals prefer a growing economy to redistributing income, not all of them mind you but most