tv Doc Film - Muranow - The Ghosts of Warsaw Deutsche Welle January 30, 2022 3:15am-4:01am CET
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with you years ago. i was one more so i love hearing this apartment all my i think i was teenager. when i started this briefs, i am escaping from concentration camp. and this is always the same story. i'm hiding in a wood and there are gentlemen smith. i don't miss it for something for me. i'm afraid i'm stressed. it's
with one we inherited this apartment from 2 ladies friend of mine, grandma one of the ladies site. and the 2nd who stayed was sure that this apartment killed her this place q some years ago i moved in this apartment and i had close friends who are asking, do i feel ok because their friend for no drinking water there? because they don't want to drink water from the pipes from the cemetery.
and they had a friend who saying, oh, are the trees in your neighborhood already losing leave? because the 3 things where move the leaves 1st. so i should tell him when they started, because that will tell him when the ultimate come. tricity su classic, the radio turns on a life for life. and i was living her alone. i had telephone calls from my house to my cell phone. we were making potato cakes and the for about this hour. so we went down to the store,
came back upstairs and to not because forgotten from the place. we were standing in this room and then we heard the violin playing in the other room. i had this feeling that it was a woman. sometimes i got scared. sometimes i was more annoyed. i named her. i named her. hello rachel. i don't know why. the 1st name that popped up to me. i thought that maybe she's as scared as me sometimes just as freaked out about this whole situation as i am. ready the
ah the love of warsaw was the largest most important jewish city in the world, human. and what they say about new york today, if you'll make it there, you'll make it anywhere. it was true of warsaw for the jews both a yarmouth because this was the hub of all the political parties and youth movement and the literary world. and the rabbinic literature on orlando. whoever wanted to change the jewish world came here. michel salazar told me would be this was the place for that there are. yeah huh. the
middle about it. i grew up in israel in jerusalem about the i served in the navy for 7 years. i was a submarine commander and i studied history. my grandfather's last words were the polish national anthem will not, and as he recited them, he suffered a stroke from which he never recovered. he never said another word and 2 and a half months later, we were here. we've been here almost 4 years, and that was the director of the institute where i work asked, where do you live? and i said and morano, i fucked him, and he said, of them are on of how can you with all the memory, another one that is ingrained and people in mind the most are sitting, fell on ashamed, but over the warsaw ghetto was the largest ghetto. it's the most prominent symbol of the holocaust. masculine figure,
the same name with us before the war during the holocaust, this was actually the place where they are. so get located. so this is the place where the fact that was from which most of the jewish population, of course though, was sent to trip the car. so this was their, their last final place in war. so, and the building where i am working today, the department of psychology of the university of war. so is the historical headquarters of this is the building in the beginning guy was not very, very easy for me personally to study in his building. i think about the 5 it may be, you know, in this room there were assess officer commanding the station of young car truck or finish maybe to tribune car. and he was working here from this part of the ghetto nerd to building which survive. because then to get
our pricing to say, here i work from different pricing was the 1st one to rely in the 2nd world. war is the 1st time wednesday in the city. organize the party. struggle against this attack of people who wants to remain with or to die with some dignity. urines were very surprised and didn't know how to react to them. they decided to burn house after the house of the house, the people who axes who were on the i
church and lunches so we can keep up your stuff since i've lived in marana for my life. to me, all of moran off is a tragedy not there's not. this picture was obviously taken from the building where we are now standing dodge that zip full. you can clearly see that nothing remains of the old vibrant moran
often so complex. she is called the chairman blew everything up for tactical reasons. closer to church of saint anthony was bad as i understand it, only because the germans used it to hide the valuables. the jews left behind the clothes or the paintings, anything of value lanyard bought associates. and that's why the church was never demolished, blown up post new the new so you've been on this program ah
sisters in the war and after the war, he returned to warsaw this specifically to gain sha street now on the levy chest street. this is more or less where his father store stood before the war and he lived one block further south of the home. mm hm. oh been the co vote from many of the street not even the original route, but only the name remain the same shift. and stop key, there are no legs left. the just the name assemblies al me wa street is no longer charming. on that. just the name of the 70 novel lip key. and nova libya and smote
shop and gain shot out of the game show. if you went there today, you would find nothing that even resembles what was there before the war and down below lie the ruins of buildings that stood there before the apartments with their contents, and apparently also their inhabitants luxuriously. machine people died beneath us and were never buried lamp. they simply built over everything afterwards. ah, it started the ship when i moved to warsaw from cracow, i was surprised not to find anything about the history of the place after the war. that no one wrote any thing and won't be writing anything in the foreseeable future
. so i started to delve into the subject. ah, does the new scallion study plenty look love every one living in warsaw wants to help rebuild it up. and september, tens of thousands of poles helped clean up the ruins of murano. that end of them would, i know. ah, that everything was in ruins. then yes, they were as high as 3 story buildings. it was impossible to clear the whole district to put that under patricia, it was simply impossible to keep more. she posted the hugeness, ah, did the bricks that were selected and clean will be used to build the foundations and interior walls of the new residential neighbourhood. in the heart of morano, that every brick made from the ruins costs 6. it is a global not adama, yoko, so much the buildings were built from the ruins of the jewish homes that stood here . hello, humboldt cushion. you with the bricks. but crushed along with everything else, is
a fellow, dozens of shifts over the multiple will call human bones and remains were found in the sellers under the rebels, full dentures, and i do meter, michelle mixed everything with cement to produce huge numbers of cinder block has become a fabric katya. ah, this is murano, the biggest residential district in warsaw designed to house 50000 people with other numbers. agenda. these are propaganda films. just i'm sure we have no way to they mention explicitly that there was a ghetto here. so to me it will always be a neighborhood that was built on the ruins of the ghetto. but it will never be just another war, so neighborhood to shop it. it's a unique place in the entire world that they you didn't finish kitchen and bringing
there is a beautiful spray saying that it's a perfect neighborhood for that. and for leaving my from this place when i was doing something. and i am covering recently, walt to live there. exactly. but basically those are brings from the rebel and the bones. and that's your weird the here in the making a hole or something. you know, i can of course held up by and somewhere else. but i like the place that moving center, the city quiet, green me. i know the meaning of us, but the, if i will think about it to us, it will drive me crazy. i
remember learning about the history of this district in my senior senior year of high school, realizing that this is the place where all this took place, it was like discovering a world that slung past it's it was a huge mystery. la civilization. there was a horrifying just like a taboo topic and i wanted to know why i was living here and i didn't know any answers
to all those questions. and i went to city architecture. i used to walk and you know, know that there use the street used to be going further. i used to end here especially in the dark, recreating, you know, recreating the streets that used to be used to stand here. random little thing started happening. coming back from work with my friends getting out of the elevators, we smelled cheeked being baked, and we thought it was the neighbors of course. but afterwards i sat down here, she sat down there and then suddenly from the kitchen we hear dean wept. and i asked her, did you hear that? and she said yes, 5 minutes. we compare the i started checking on the internet,
there was something like you put or something where on that day my friend sleeping on the couch and in the living room felt somebody sit down on the couch at night and she was lying there. it was weird that usually the lights only went out when it was late dark. they turned off at midnight now. so. okay, rachel, give me 5 more minutes. i'm going to bed. just chill out when you're sitting and working in silence for 3 hours. just start to tap into things that require time and require owner ability. it's a different kind of hearing, kind of tapping into another dimension, maybe and picking up those sounds that are somewhere else
we did a study in we're on the and the question is, what do people who leave their field? how people think about the fact that they explain it as a ghost? coming to me? i think this is something that comes in a moment where the histories is covered. but when did awareness pops up? that something flushes in your awareness they discovered in the place that they encountered on a daily basis that has some different history and the history has been suppressed because they need they leaving the house with us into his house for
their parents and want them to think about the dark history, this is the most extreme version of a very universal story. and it makes it more extreme defined that we all know about the holocaust. in think of many places in the world where you have this same problems, may be seen ghosts when we went to school, did we invoke futures in
the home? who did this felicia times to present holland nation of big things that were together victims with jews. and he's also done with using this heritage of murano. and this is what sir is striking today to the strategic uses of, of the history of for the holocaust in the history of the warsaw ghetto, the history of murano whom we are witnessing every year. the march of independence before marching in the middle of the city was a neo fascist symbols. it should be a day of celebrate. and i think it's very upsetting not only to the jewish and have you been so far so, but to every. but because as some liberal views, because his day has been taken from us. oh ah
. with your cost this yes them. but i thought am i work as a photojournalist? they saw little g when a crowd shout slogans like poland belongs to the poles. it worries me, you thought i let the she started, he story or call him. she thought i thought history repeats itself and people forget and you don't know what will happen 30 years from now.
they've given me that this is this basement is from before the war, like the rest of the building. and so here i left him to i'm active in a theater group and theaters need props. get on with we collect objects from pre war warsaw including many from jewish war. so yes ma'am, if you're lucky and has the knowledge, you can find 100. you wrote objects in these basements, so she might, i can give this probably a pile guest to day is professor me how beloved from the university of warsaw center for the study of prejudices. we're discussing polish anti semitism again, colleague doesn't approve either. indeed, our studies showed that more people agree than disagree with the statement that there is a jewish conspiracy against the state. this is what the ss and hitler wanted to put into the heads of the poles through the use of post as they put up in polish cities to pluck that the jews are a plague that the jews are rats that the jews are
a disease. and we see that the propaganda of that period is a wall, a much higher wall than the ghetto wall. it's a psychological wall. you some movie. i mean we've got this and mostly colleagues from the fact that we never thought through. very honestly what happened here. that's a sudden the 1st part of it, when you look how long it takes and it's not that everyone's jumped into the process. so like, oh, it's been so long ago. let's talk about the very front. you know, we're still discovering things that we don't want to know more and more about. so how polls participated and kills jews? lexical said there why there is only 2 leaving in the underworld under this
neighborhood. and there in those, on the polls who are fighters of worth for pricing. and then there was this book published and neither will even just look like a zombie. just the main character goes down to his basement. he finds this whole under world of those thumb be just living in the jewish officer from the underworld. answer the question of the guy and face you can rest in peace only if someone cried after you cried out. i think that anti semitism does exist in what i know. i think it's hidden, but we heard that people are afraid that the jews are going to come back and take the land. this kind of unknown cheer. you know the fear of the unknown
i've been living in whatever for 20 years. my frances, hold me to get a rabbi in here to do some exercise. when i say no wine by alarm, a charge never done anything wrong. ah, i'm sure that living in murano has made me a different person. the whole history of moran though, for me, i think, is something that i want to close right now. letting go of the heaviness, little and for this time being in my life, i think that i want to change. i don't wanna be so morals for at least a couple years. so i decided to leave more on move and move to things that are her law. my ghost is definitely
a moran of inhabitants. there's nothing happening and you guys ah ha, ha ha, can you come here a minute? look at this building at 40 less no street. but it's one of murano of main and most typical streets was well over what family don't we are we creating the old warsaw and trying to save this life from oblivion as if the war never happened? you know what i'm not what? sure not when i was a child, i was told that there was another city before war and said there were so many
people that unaware that there was something before. that's why i started to rebuilding pretty and to bring the history back to the people the know, drink and back to life. hopefully in the ends we will cover it in either pillows, you allocation including virtual reality and graphic projections, reminding everyone how it was i the people who would be designing this. they don't want to acknowledge that someone else is older and it was before
remembering it's life for the what do you remember? first of all, people have to learn for those leaving people way you can interesting piece based on some folks with maybe i should really get the list of the people in my address. it says that i'm researching who lived at 9 over live stream was given please. now this is under dorval's name, the $99.00 of a little key streaming. and then she said to russia, wishes savant and here, what about p 60 and there's another card, kleiner. he died on miller street, but he lived at 9 number street in apartment 15 as nice.
yes. this is an excerpt from a text in yiddish, which mentioned a center for refugees at 9, no lipkin street. or they could register that. sure. what's the we'll need to do. they were housed there by force with no belongings and killed at the 1st opportunity on the issue. the tiny little penny said, why are you trying to find them? little as well as to why am i trying to find them? the dream is not a hard question to answer, especially when i'm looking at this person number, then he obviously couldn't go back to 9 of let key street it was in ruins. i'd
was never had bill because i feel i want to be with them on august 31st. i think it's the last moment you can understand them outside of the context of the war that changed everything since our core my senior stable move on as a what i'm doing by living here. and it's my way of keeping the story alive and to present here. it's not only the life that was la, it's an entire culture that was lost with its la mushy, and the daniel that if immune thing no it, it makes me so sad. you know, any is yeah,
i can imagine only this people were walking here in the alley, sofa cushion ski part. and you can just think about them as people who still believe that nothing will happen. and this is a believe that we are psychologists. we know this will remain with them until the end and maybe today we have the same situation that i also maybe leave in illusion that the disasters will not come. maybe this is the way we got used to living murano. if that will stop imagining this past inhabitants hold a dime is when you think for ever about them and you couldn't live here anymore. and she couldn't be happy with the beautiful green grass and bird singing and duck swimming in the water and all of this beautiful
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