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tv   Special Program - Germany Addicted to China  Deutsche Welle  January 19, 2022 6:30pm-7:01pm CET

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is germany addicted to china? d, w. richard walker, explorers, germany's china dilemma at the dawn of a new political era. there's meant to be a new strategy. but the so called a traffic lay coalition is divided. the u. s. and other allies want germany to been much tougher. so what now can germany find a new way of dealing with china? on d w? ah, hey there, i'm david and this is climate change briggs, it's sex lou. happiness in 3 books with the pin for you. you'll get smarter for free, did over your books on newton hamburg,
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germany's gateway to the world every day. giant ships dock here to serve europe's greatest industrial power. they transport millions and millions of containments every year. almost one in 3 of them is either heading to china or coming in from a chinese port. in fact, china is germany's biggest trading owner. and here in hamburg, the ties are so strong that a shipping line owned by china's government has bought a stake in this terminal. this is a story of how germany pump tobate's economy on business with china and how it got closer than any of the western power to the leaders in beijing. only to wonder if all of this is a good idea. under president she gym pain, china has become a doc, had dictatorship,
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one that's challenging the power and values of the west. china is so not only developing but also bit by bit ex warden and also red terry regime that is antagonistic against our believe and democracy and human rights. the u. s. is lining up the west to take his stand for democracy in a battle of the systems that will define these century. many one, germany to join there is going to be pressure from within the german population, from germany's major allies outside of europe. pushing germany towards a harder, a harder line, but is germany really prepared to raise school lace in a show dam china. now the new government here in berlin face is a choice. i die. lemme should he keep following the money? or does it need to think again, my great hope is that we are moving toward a more,
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a greater strategic culture in this country. however, my great concern is, is that that might not happen fast enough. in this video, we're going to find out how germany got so entangled with china. how the last few years have shown what a days they really dealing. and we'll examine whether the new team running germany really wants to make you stand. it's late at night in beijing, germany's new leda angler. michael takes her 1st steps on chinese soil as chancellor way back in 2006, she gets all the fan said befitting an important visitor. but little could she have known how important china would become for her. it's so interesting to watch the coverage of medical's 1st trip. you have to remember, she was
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a big change. she was a woman, she was a decade younger than the man. she replaced the image was fresh, and at times the moon seen him kind of jolly but now had a message that wasn't so welcome. she broke with tradition, spoke openly about human right. thinking about us, the mom mentioned to me, i think that we will keep talking about human rights in future meetings. there is a growing openness to talking about this, although there are still sure to be different views. it's important not to brush them under the carpet, but to talk about often on your spot. but she wasn't looking for a fight. you could hear the optimism there in talking about a growing openness to talk about sensitive subjects. this was following a strategy that many in the west hopes would bear fruit. ready in a speech to german business leaders in shanghai, during that same trip, she laid it out explicitly. there's no footage available,
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but we do have the transcript. we will not only follow the development of civil society in china, but also use different forms of dialogue to try to develop it in a direction. that means more openness and more freedom that had germany expression for this idea vandal door handle or change through trade. the idea that by engaging and trading with a regime like china, you can encourage it to open up holistically back here in berlin. medical soon put that to the test. in her 2nd year in power, she hosted the dalai lama in the chancellor's office. he's cross the line for china, it sees the exile tibetan leader as a dangerous separatist. the meeting would become a turning point. beijing reacted very strongly to this. they essentially froze dialogue with berlin for about 6 months. know a barkin, remember, says,
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well, he covered the meeting as a reporter. now he's one of the top panelists on german china relations. so, medical want to send a signal about her support for human rights at the very beginning. but china reacted quite fiercely to that. and that led her to change her approach and it took a lot of effort to to get that, get that relationship going again. this didn't mean magical, gave up on the issue of human rights altogether. some prominent chinese dissidence, like i way way would find sanctuary and germany but there was no repeat of the delama meeting or anything like it. michael had found beijing's boundaries and didn't cross them again. and soon germany would need china more than ever before.
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in 2008, a financial crisis tool through the western world in europe, whole nations teetered on the brink of bankruptcy. that was rage against the banks . the politicians, the system itself, fears were rampant that europe single currency, the euro could collapse. michel was in the middle of this crisis. she used germany's economic power to keep the currency afloat. but she needed help. with europe on its knees, macro needed a new source of growth. it was clear to her where to find it. china really acted as a cushion for the german economy at a time when other european economies were, were, have undergoing serious, serious economic hardship. chinese economy was much less affected by the financial
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crisis. it bounce back fast growing rates. the west could only dream of. it was pouring resources into infrastructure on a scale never seen before. and china had money to spend in europe to china also came to the aid of european countries like greece, that we're going through debt crises. china bought up the debt of, of european countries that were, that, that were really suffering during this crisis. china would go on to snap hop assets like greece, is huge, pay reyes port, helping athens pay off some of its debt. for china. this was a fantastic deal, giving it a strategic cornerstone. it would later build around noon and back home in china. a rising middle class went shopping to europe at unities for german industry were clear. jain slight volkswagen already had
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a foot in the door. now was the time to push it open and michael did exactly that. meetings with chinese leaders became platforms for deal making. catherine cuba, ashbrook leads, one of germany's most influential thing tanks. she would travel to china with large business delegation. the implicit goal was always to come home with the deal. she always felt like it was her obligation in terms of her own understanding of national interest. crucially, from berlin's perspective, all this was building up something precious trust. i think this did affect to mary mary how miracle viewed china. china was there for germany and china was there for europe during the europe crisis. and she, i don't think she's ever forgotten that politically and economically, it was all systems go. and then hamburg,
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trade was booming in both directions. it soon became part of china's massive belt and wrote infrastructure plan for china. all these trading investment also had profound strategic meaning for the development of its own economy and technologies . if you think about the 3 biggest industry areas within the 3 lead business areas in germany, it's machine building. it's automotive and it's of course, climate technology, all of which china wanted. they wanted to kind of innovative capacity that germany can deliver in terms of its are indeed german universities and research bodies jumped on the bandwagon to. there was huge growth in partnerships in science and technology. medical's approach seem to be working at the gateway with china was proving to be a wonder drug helping to fix the euro. crisis pitching germany's economy to the most dynamic in the world building trust china for it's part we all in what could
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possibly go wrong. hong kong 2019 china's most global cities. descent into chaos. young hong kong is protesting. a new extradition or imposed by a jing that would put their freedom of risk. but the protests only seem to strengthen beijing result. china tightened in control of the territory still further imposing an even more draconian, national security. the phoebe kong covered the story for d. w. well that's the law is the one of the home home history. we have lots of examples. politicians, the prosecution, people, all kinds of erosion in history,
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which is something that mic hong kong china. these are the changes after the position of the national these added up to a clear break of the treaty commitment china made at hong kong handover from the u . k. back in 1997 for the government here in berlin. this was the chile development. it suggested that that trust that it had been building up might be misplaced. and it through that whole idea of bundled to his handle that we heard about earlier. the idea that by engaging with china, you might encourage it to open up politically. will all that was thrown into doubt . in fact, the warning signs had been flashing for some time. that under president she, jim ping, china was becoming more powerful. more ambitious and more ruthless. like
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in china's remote region of shame, jang, where evidence emerged of mass oppression of the muslim minority concentration camps, forced labor re education. the u. s. has called it genocide. in the south china sea bay. jing was turning remote reefs into militarized islands, trying to assert control of crucial shipping routes and intimidate neighbors with their own territorial claims. chinese military is expanding dramatically with some new missile technologies, more advanced than west, and a navy growing even bigger than america's. and for taiwan, these posed an existential threat. paging ramped up air missions to probe the airspace around the island stoking fears that it threat to take over by force might one day become a reality suppression concentration camps, expansionism threats
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a war. this wasn't the china that angle a macro had been hoping for. but what about the economic side of the relationship will even that is increasingly open to a question. despite all this trade, german and other western companies complained that they don't get fair access to china's enormous market. nobody knows the problems better than your foot could. he's the head of the you chamber of commerce in beijing. the market excess that we hope for 20 years to gold happen to some extent, but still a lot of areas are very much larger. you came out with the position paper in september that has a solid 430 pages and 930 recommendations to the chinese government. you can see the magnitude of a problem. then there's this subsidies dish down to chinese firms, many of which are owned by the state, creating
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a double whammy that's impossible to compete with. and there's a constant fear for intellectual property where western firms do get a foothold in china. they've often had to form joint ventures. we have chinese counterparts, which can leave their technologies open to transfer, or even theft. to pandemic, added new consent, medical equipment shortages early on, exposed germany's crippling dependency on chinese supply chains. perhaps the greatest fear for the german economy is about the big picture. i need. machine builders are very quickly and establishing themselves as the lead machine builders in the world. a sector that germany cornered for itself for over 70 years, china overtaking germany in this key, industrial sector for, for germany, is only a matter of time. uncle immacule tried to tackle some of these problems near the
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end of her term in office. negotiating an investment deal between the european union and china, the deal needed ratification in the european parliament. but before that could happen around, back human rights blew it out of the water. anger in europe. hope for abuses in sheen. jang let to use sanctions on a group of chinese officials. china reacted furiously with a much bigger round of sanctions in retaliation against various institutions and even members of the european parliament itself. the most prominent was that i not really cool for the german green who heads the parliament's delegation on china. i reckon china calculator that oh, they might impressive with the sanction. in fact, the opposite pass happen, or i really all feel that they have shot themselves in the foot of the resolve
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that we see in the european parliament to all stand tall and to defend the values we believe in, namely human rights democracy, rule of law and much lateral listen. that result has only increased the europe. ian parliament refused to ratify the china deal while cometh its members were under sanctions. it all showed how hard it had become to engage with china on business and challenges on human rights. at the same time, ah, and the tale of qual way revealed germany's internal struggles in dealing with china. it was a decision facing many western government. should attack giant from china be allowed to build the 5 g mobile networks of the future. kate, for this critical infrastructure to be billed by company, subject to chinese state power. definitely an important decision. but angle
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americans, government could not make up its mind. the business ministry was all in favor. hallway has great technology and great prices. the foreign ministry said, wait a minute, why, why is too close to the chinese government? this wouldn't be safe as such critical infrastructure. interior ministry also had to say, so d, germany's main tech security body. and here the chancellor's office, they agonized about it all. there was a tendency to avoid making a decision for fear of alienating china. a reluctance by the chancellor re to really take a clear decision. all these institutions bounced a while way, question between each other for years. finally, parliament passed legislation that would at least provide a framework for making
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a decision her let's break this down for a minute. it took germany years to decide how to decide whether to lay away build. it's 5 g network is the medical era came to an end for her critics. it was symbolic of a strategy that was running out of steam. i think miracles approach failed to adapt to the changing face of china under she's in team. i think she continued to prioritize shorter term economic interest over broader strategic interests. i think her approach was driven also by a sense of german and european weakness. in other words, a, a reluctance to speak out on values, issues to take policy decisions. for example, on 5 g that might alienate or offend china even if they were in
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germany strategic interests. so what now can germany find a new way of dealing with china? the answer to that could lie in a clash of personalities right here in the heart of lynn. there's a new team in town. a 3 way coalition spanning all the way from the queens through the centre left social democrats to the free market. liberals bound by a message said they want to do things differently. they say they want to come up with a new strategy on china, and they're under pressure to deliver. u. s. president joe biden has been appealing to democratic allies to join him and pushing back against china and other autocratic powers. framing this era as a kind of battle of the systems. it's an idea that is shared by many and brussels.
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china is so not only developing but also deep by bit ex gordon, an author, a tarion regime that is antagonistic against our believe and democracy and human rights official. you documents acknowledged this idea describing 3 aspects to relations with china. partnership competition and systemic rivalry has big implications. and that very same framing of systemic rivalry is right there in the coalition agreement. that underpins germany's new government to paper explicitly calls out problems with china. it's the 1st of its kind to mention, tie one voicing support for its democracy. the paper also highlights the south china, see the status of hong kong human rights abuses in chin. jang fair competition
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rules. so all those issues that we looked at earlier, a reference by the new coalition. how is this a revolution in germany approach to china? well, not so far. the policy is one thing we need to take a closer look at the people now in charge of making it happen. most of all the chancellor laughed shots, the social democrat, and the foreign minister. and alina babbled, a green from different parties, different generations, and on china, they have very different records. remember hamburg the port at the heart of germany trading relationship with china? that's oh, love schultz. his city. he was, it's math for most of the last decade during the very time when trade with china became its life blood in a foreign policy debate,
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he strongly ruled out the idea of a total decoupling of germany's economy from china. i put in the, i knew honda was i'm, there's one thing i really want to confront had on i'm fatty cli against any decoupling fantasy that north america, europe and china each stick to themselves and develop all kinds of separate structures. it's a huge step forward. we have a global economy in the physician and vic and the sun goes hot and it paid to the truck top. the thing is no serious voices, really calling for that kind of total decoupling that shows describes that this kind of rhetoric from schulte is being taken by many is assigned the what he really wants is more of the say. all i felt stands for continuity. i think his, his view of china was shaped by his 7 years as mayor of hamburg. okay, so what about alina bab, book foreign minister from greens?
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well, she's very different. like her party. she's been all about putting human rights 1st . and she says, she really means that's my, not my attitude to form policies that you can pursue a purely economic path. just thing nice things about how human rights are important . but then when it really comes down to it, not doing anything about it. and i know, i know that in a box has talked about dialogue with toughness in describing her approach to try not she's called for play a break in, in, in germany's approach so more outspoken on human rights. reducing economic dependencies on china. ok, so we have a head of government who doesn't want to rock the boat and we have a foreign minister who wants a tougher life. also in the makes a liberal finance minister who's pro human right. but close to the business
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community to this could get very complicated. remember all those ministries who couldn't agree on fall way, disease, new government mean more of that kind of thing. we could see a sort of coffee, any of discordant signals on china from this new government. one think the new government is clear on, it says it was his china strategy to match that of the you. and it wants both to be coordinated with the us. but it's notoriously complicated for the you to speak with one voice. can this really work? it's going to be very difficult because you have 27 states and you're over half the life of sweeter than the palm or tougher than hungry or rece for example. and yet, polling shows that german public opinion is hardening against china and the mood in parliament. the buddhist time is also shifting in line with trends around the
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western world. this could open more scope for political debate ahead, not about decoupling, but at least diversification. there is going to be pressure from within the bonus tag from within the, the german population from germany's major allies outside of europe. the united states, japan, australia, canada, pushing germany towards a harder, harder line. and pushing germany to change its tone, to speak out more on, on values, issues, and reevaluate its economic relationship with china, reduce its dependencies, come more resilient. what about bay gene? what does it want? this change of put there to she, jim ping is redesigning china's economic model. moving to more domestic focus and more state control. this could turn out to be the true decoupling masterminded not
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in washington berlin. but bait g. it's huge with the 1st of all really, china started becoming primarily on the now comic come on top of it, where basically you will have an inward drifting china to maintain control over the economy and politics. you can see from the g a 2019 of these leaders need physically and talk, and the one missing is the president of china. and i guess i think that shows a little bit about how in some a china has become a dizzying paradox. with china becoming once more insular at home and more global in its bishop determined to take what it sees as its rightful place in the world. on its own terms, the main thing that german politicians need to be now is they need to be honest with their electorate. because in order to create functional strategy and
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a strong position that's widely held among key actors in society, society needs to understand the different threats that emerge for the different strategic and at least competitive energies that emerge from china. so the task that china presents to the west really is the test of democracy itself. wasn't that slow and messy decision making can come up with strategies that work. if you want to know the answer, what germany the next few years. it has so much sake that they can't afford to me a blue
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